Gwynne Dyer: That makes 10,000 sworn to 9/11 silence

Popular journalist Gwynne Dyer has joined the likes George Monbiot, Alex Cockburn, and other establishment leftists. Today in the New Zealand Herald he applies the good ol' "it would take too many conspirators" argument against 9/11 Truth (note, also, the 'viral' metaphor):

"The 9/11 conspiracy theory is back, in a much more virulent form, and normally sane people are being taken in by it. I get half a dozen earnest emails every day telling me I must see a film called Loose Change.

It has been around in various versions for almost two years, but it now seems to be gathering converts faster than ever.

Well, I have seen it, and I concede that it is a much slicker, more professional product than other 9/11 conspiracy films, and therefore more seductive.

But the argument is pure paranoid fantasy and it is rotting people's brains.

There have always been two versions of the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The lesser version held that the Bush Administration had advance intelligence of al Qaeda's plans but chose to ignore the warning because the attacks suited its purposes.

The greater version insisted that there was no al Qaeda involvement, and that the attacks were carried out by the United States Government.

Until recently, the greater version was largely confined to the Arab world, where many people are in complete denial about any Arab involvement in the atrocity. Very few Americans took that version seriously, although many wondered whether the intelligence lapses had really been accidental.

Even the lesser conspiracy would have required the complicity of half a dozen very senior people who received the intelligence and decided to ignore it: the heads of the CIA and the FBI (George Tenet and Louis Freeh), the national security adviser (Condoleezza Rice), the Secretaries of Defence and State (Don Rumsfeld and Colin Powell), plus Vice-President Cheney and perhaps President Bush.

It would also have required the permanent silence - or silencing - of a dozen lower-level intelligence analysts who knew that the senior people had seen the information.

I don't believe that happened because I don't think that Tenet, Rice, Powell et al would have deliberately plotted the deaths of thousands of Americans.

I don't believe even Dick Cheney would have done that. And I note that there has been no inexplicable wave of sudden deaths among junior intelligence analysts in Washington.

I do believe, however, that 9/11 served the purposes of the neo-conservatives and their allies in the Bush administration.

They were already planning to attack Iraq, as part of a larger plan, dating back to the late 1990s and the Project for a New American Century, to re-launch Pax America and re-establish American hegemony in the 21st-century world. I agree that they were adroit in seizing on 9/11 as a way of enlisting popular support for their project. But that's all.

I cannot absolutely refute the lesser theory, but find it implausible. The greater conspiracy theory, on the other hand, is just plain loony - and yet more and more people are falling for it in the West, where it was once the exclusive domain of people with counter-rotating eyeballs and poor personal hygiene. You cannot overstate the impact of a well-made film.

Loose Change confidently asserts that the twin towers were brought down by carefully placed demolition charges, not by the fires ignited by the planes that hit them; that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile, not by a plane; and that the fourth hijacked plane, Flight 93, did not crash in a field in Pennsylvania but landed at Cleveland where the passengers were taken into a Nasa building and never seen again.

What about all the calls that the passengers on Flight 93 made on their phones?

Their voices were cloned by the Los Alamos laboratories and the calls to their relatives were faked.

The FBI was in on it, the CIA was in on it, the Air Force was in on it - except those who were killed at the Pentagon - and North American Aerospace Defence Command was in on it.

The security companies guarding the World Trade Centre were in on it, Mayor Rudy Giuliani was in on it, the Federal Aviation Administration was in on it, Nasa was in on it, and the Pentagon was in on it. At least 10,000 people were in on it. They had to be, or it couldn't have worked.

More than five years later, not one of them has talked. Nobody has got drunk and spilled their guts. Nobody has told their spouse, who then blabbed.

Not one of these 10,000 accomplices to mass murder has yielded to the temptation for instant fame and great wealth for blowing the whistle on the greatest conspiracy in history.

In normal times you wouldn't waste breath arguing with people who fall for this kind of rubbish. But the makers of Loose Change claim their film has already been seen by more than 100 million people, and looking at my email in-tray I believe them.

It is a real problem, because by linking their fantasies about 9/11 to the Bush Administration's deliberate deception of the American people in order to gain support for the invasion of Iraq, they bring discredit on the truth and the nonsense alike.

You almost wonder if they are secretly working for the Bush Administration.

* Gwynne Dyer is a London-based independent journalist whose articles are published in 45 countries."

Two words: Operation Gladio.

Two words: Operation Gladio.

Anyone who makes the tired "a wife would have blabbed" argument need only point to the most well documented false flag op(s) in history. Gladio is not controversial but openly acknowledged.

"But if the Gladio network was the armed force, the secret Masonic lodge "Propaganda Due" (P2) was the Elitist "shadow government" tasked with directing them. Adhering to a right wing ideology bordering on fascism, P2 was headed by Licio Gelli - known as the "Puppet-master." During the war Gelli had been a member of Mussolini's notorious "Black shirts," and later acted as liaison officer to the Hermann Goering SS division. By 1974 P2 had in excess of 1000 members comprising a "who's who" of Italian political, military and economic power. Members included four Cabinet ministers, three intelligence chiefs, 160 senior military officers, 48 MPs, the Army Chief of Staff, as well as top diplomats, bankers, industrialists and media publishers."

We're talking about a bare minimum of hundreds of people being "in the know". It was kept secret for decades. Moreover, it was not merely one country but dozens.

"Italy was not alone in having covert "stay behind" units in operation. The operation encompassed all of western Europe. In France the unit was called "Glaive" - again named after a Gladiatorial sword. Austria's unit was named "Schwert," also meaning sword. In Turkey the unit was named "Red Sheepskin" and in Greece "Sheepskin." Sweden's unit was called "Sveaborg." In Switzerland it went by the title P26. Other units in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark and Holland remain unnamed. Not least, the United Kingdom's unit was simply known as "Stay Behind."

Finally, many people HAVE blabbed. David Schippers, Sibel Edmonds and Mike Springman, to name but three. We can also be confident that much of the information which solidifies our case -- war games, for instance -- was intentionally leaked to the press.

The idea that a high-ranking member of the government would call a press conference and blow the whistle is quite absurd. You don't climb to the upper echolons of the US government by being a selfless patriot.

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Great post! Gladio really is

Great post!

Gladio really is the best example of the sort of collusion that was exhibited/needed for 9/11. I wish we had better outreach materials on the subject. Hmmmm...

Another simple example is: how many people currently employed by the CIA, DIA, and other intelligence services both federal and privately contracted are in a position to talk about their assignments and culpability in very ugly black-ops? We operate huge espionage and black-ops units all over the world, with various brass plate covers and layers of deniability. Why, in the course of debunking the 9/11 "theorists" don't they pause to consider all that is executively sanctioned but consistently unknowable and undetectable? Why don't any of these people squeal? Where are the squealers from the horrors we wrought in Central America, for example? Why don't any operatives in CIA drug running cartels speak out? And why, for crying out loud, do they always refuse to acknowledge the known whistleblowers? The obvious problems with the drill parallels in 7/7?

This is an entry-level, sophomoric argument, one that we all carefully considered before taking the time to apply real logic and learn enough history to discard. Too bad Dyer and other journalists of his ilk are still happily riding the short bus.

Another point that needs to

Another point that needs to be hammered home with this silly argument is that black ops do not operate with "everyone in the know". WE know this, of course, but many "journalists" have apparently not even studied the MO of intelligence agencies in any detail, or at least they pretend they haven't. "Contracting out" for plausible deniability, rigid compartmentalization or "need to know", strict hierarchies in the military command structure enforcing lock step obedience, brainwashing about the "greater good", war games to conduit operations through complex bueracracies, not-so-subtle threats to witnesses and their families -- there are many techniques that are utilized to keep the number of potetential whistleblowers extremely small. Those that DO blow the whistle are marginalized, smeared or ignored altogether.

This is not a hypothetical -- we know from the JFK case, for instance, that witnesses were intimidated, threatened and even murdered.

When it comes to Gladio, although hundreds were indeed involved, most heads of state were not even aware what was going on. This shows the effectiveness of compartmentalization and subcontractors. Gladio also left a body trail; some of the murders were dramatized in Godfather III.

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No, Gwynne, not 10,000 'sworn' to silence.

More like a few big wigs, a few thousand psychopaths/mercs/degenerates, & a few good people who's best option is to keep their mouths shut. Afterall, there are worse things than death.

NOT even a few thousand....

There are reasonable estimates (with justification) of less than 100. Get informed.

Forget hundreds

My personal opinion is that it could have been pulled off with a few dozen. A far, far smaller number than involved in Gladio, in any case. Remote control + hijacking "drills" + subcontracted mercenary work (*ahem, Dancing Israelis) + clean up afterwards = success.

We actually have no idea how many intelligence officers/Pentagon personnel were killed as an insurance policy in conjunction with the attacks themsleves. Many of the war game participants involving drones were no doubt offed during the operation in order to cover the trail. Most spooks are not listed in the phone book.

There is a very important distinction to be made here, between those who actively participated in the operation and those who merely kept their mouths shut after the fact. We know that the latter number DOES involve "thousands" -- every "journalist" who writes a hit piece, every person of stature exposed to the evidence who decides to ignore the 911 truth movement -- there ARE thousands, even hundreds of thousands who have kept their mouths shut for very simple reasons relating to class and self-interest. Throw that back at one of these clowns the next time they talk about whistleblowers. "Well, you've kept your mouth shut, havent' you"?

None of this is surprising in the slightest: the author of this piece himself is an accessory after the fact. Apparently the higher one's "caste" in a hierarchical society, the more likely one is "play ball". There are exceptions but they are few and far. Didn't sociologists figure this out several hundred years ago?

It takes great courage to speak out against the big lie. If this sack-of-shit journalist can't even do it, why does he expect the same of "junior intelligence officers"?

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sworn to silence

Mr Dyer concedes "They were already planning to attack Iraq, as part of a larger plan, dating back to the late 1990s and the Project for a New American Century, to re-launch Pax America and re-establish American hegemony in the 21st-century world. I agree that they were adroit in seizing on 9/11 as a way of enlisting popular support for their project. But that's all."
Is this in itself not enough to ask for an investigation?
I have to admit that when looked at from his viewpoint the "alternative conspiracy theory" is difficult to buy. But so is the "official conspiracy."
And insinuating that "the argument is pure paranoid fantasy and it is rotting people's brains." is an insult to the sane sensible people who can't buy the OCT and simply want answers.
Is that too much to ask Gwynne??????

since when...

do accomplices for mass murder get fame and wealth for ratting out their fellow conspirators? maybe a reduced sentence... this Gwynne Dyer guy is funny.

"Not one of these 10,000 accomplices to mass murder has yielded to the temptation for instant fame and great wealth for blowing the whistle on the greatest conspiracy in history."

Anyway compare his take on Loose Change with the following, from Willie Rodriguez's UK tour:


I have not heard a word of anti-semitism at either of the two meetings I’ve been to, which involved films and speakers (I’ve heard elsewhere of a conspiracy to blame it all on Zionists, apparently because of a film called Loose Change, which I haven’t seen, made by two US teenagers who have since concluded that they made some errors, and another to blame it on apocalypse-seeking Christian far-right fundamentalists but I’ve only heard about them from people who are opposed to those alleged conspiracies, so I really don’t want to get into all that. Let’s face it, I also heard the Bush administration blame it on a bunch of named ‘Islamic terrorists’ who mostly turned out to be alive and innocent.).

Wow people are confused! Loose Change doesn't mention Zionism or Israel ONCE! Is Loose Change becoming all things to all people as far as 9/11 is concerned?


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Please forward to Gwynne

Please forward to Gwynne Dyer.

Gwynne makes the mistakes all wannabee 'debunkers" make. He uses the 'there would be so many involved in the conspiracy that surely somebody would have spilled the beans' argument that has so thoroughly debunked by so many. Such nonsense.

He is also a coward because he does not permit an open forum in which his idiocy would quickly be debunked. But cowards are as they do. What Gwynne does is hide. And take asinine potshots.

Such people are contemptible. Perhaps, Gwynne you would sometime like to debate? But he is a coward. He cannot defend his position and is clearly unwilling to. That is the mark of a coward. At least the Guardian had a reply section (in which, of course, Monbiot got debunked.... trounced.... so thoroughly that he is now a laughing stock. But Gwynne...... he .. is .. a ... coward. Monbiot even wasn't that bad.


excuse me, I edited to remove what I do... although the email I sent to him included it because I want one of these sonofabitches to commit to a moderated debate. Which they will NOT do. Because they can not win in an honest debate. I believe no one of them could win in an honest debate with any 9/11 truther on the evidence. But the folks like Monbiot and Gwynne cannot afford to do so. Because they will lose. Thus, they are cowards.

Strangely... I add,

my girlfriend's name is Gwynn.........