Simon Wiesenthal Center presents 9/11 sites alongside radical Jihadist sites to House Hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet"

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CORRECTION: Bruce Hoffman is a former, not current RAND employee. Text corrected below.

On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, a House Homeland Security Subcommittee had a hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet".* The hearing featured presentations from several groups, including a former employee of the RAND Corporation, and Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The hearing was chaired by Democratic Rep. Jane Harman, and ranking Republican, Rep. Dave Reichert.

Toward the end of the hearing, Weitzman rolls out a PowerPoint presentation that presents a few 9/11 truth sites sandwiched in between websites that offer training in terrorist tactics, and a website that glorified the attack of 9/11. Among the websites presented under the heading "Internet: Incubator of 9/11 Conpiracies and Disinformation", are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and other sites, such as Killtown's, who brought this Hearing to our attention.

Now, we wouldn't want anybody getting the wrong idea here. Here at 911blogger we are opposed to any and all terrorist activities, including STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM. Don't really care who the state is either. It's all bad.

Californians, if Harman is your representative, please set her straight. Washington state, if Reichert is your critter, don't let him absorb this crap with no static.

CSPAN has been more than fair to 9/11 skeptics. Last year they broadcast Alex Jones' American Scholars Symposium, in 2005, they broadcast David Ray Griffin, and they will probably listen to feedback regarding this broadcast.

View the hearing as a video stream here -- the pertinent section begins at the 43:31 mark, but I recommend watching the entire program, because there is so much disinformation in the broadcast itself, it's hard to know where to begin unraveling it.

Homeland Security - Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment

Please ask the Simon Wiesthenthal Center (Mark Weitzman in particular) to stop conflating terrorist violence with 9/11 truth, and even though he has not extended the courtesy to us, be polite;

* Exact Hearing title: "Using the Web as a Weapon: the Internet as a Tool for Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism"

Remember H.R. 1955

First, the subcommitte in question is the "Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment":

These are the same clowns that passed the H.R. 1955, "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terror Bill":

Add it up folks, they are clearly trying to prosecute 9/11 Truthers as "terrorists".

As a member of AE911Truth, this is pretty scary.

>>As a member of AE911Truth,

>>As a member of AE911Truth, this is pretty scary.

That's what they want is fear. Don't give them that.

Bush did the same thing on the 5th Anniversary and the media did obey out of fear. People started coming out of their shells by the very next anniversary to ask what the heck happened that day. That's how they win is when people get scared and shut up.

Yes - you are right - we must never be intimidated

God bless all the truthers who have had the courage to go public and STAY public.
You all lift my spirits.

absolutely. Non-Violence

Thanks for the spot on reminder, Victronix.

Concerned website owners are free to use one of three mini banners created by Digital Style Designs, "non-violence, not silence".

On a related note, I am in process of doing a website evaluation of and have concerns about the (clearly anarchist) design of that site and the potential repurcusssions of the 'truther' identity association. Upon a cursorary marketing review, I recommend official distance from the problematic identity terminology of 'truther'. For the moment, suffice to say that I unequivocally reject association with the term 'truther' identity ever being applied to myself or associates.
Jan Hoyer

Show "DON'T FALL INTO THE TRAP!!!!" by hardimizzen2

We shouldn't "over emphasize" anything

as the facts speak quite well for themselves.

You're correct, this is very serious and the only real "trap" we need to avoid is excluding facts for any reason.

The more facts we have, the closer to reality we get. This is a reality based movement, our mission is to confront the myth, expose the lies and avoid speculation (in public).

The truth movement needs to remain true to its goal of getting open and independent investigations into the events of 9/11/01 and bringing the real perpetrators to justice and fully exposing their sponsors.

We have no choice, there is no alternative path forward. This is not a time for "politics" no matter how messy it gets or uncomfortable it makes certain people feel.

There is now a growing body of evidence clearly showing that Israeli elements, including members of the Mossad, were involved. This cannot be denied and should not be "under emphasized" or we risk losing our way to the truth and, ultimately, creating the peaceful, sustainable future all humans desire and deserve.

I think by now it should be clear to most people who have studied the events of 9/11/01 that those ultimately responsible for it will all have three things in common: an insatiable thirst for power, a corrupt soul and no spiritual awareness. The perpetrators will come from many places and speak a variety of languages. Thus, any ethnic, cultural or religious generalizations are simply an irrelevant distraction and a pointless diversion.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, brothers and sisters!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.


I agree with you.

But just look at comments here. There is that chance that people will do and say just what Simon Wiesenthal accuses them of.

"There is now a growing body

"There is now a growing body of evidence clearly showing that Israeli elements, including members of the Mossad, were involved"

Why do you stress the involvement of the Mossad while leaving out other foreign intelligence agencies who were clearly involved such as the MI5 as well as the ISI?

Probably because...

MI5, nor ISI were caught "documenting the event". Mossad agents WERE.

Indeed, but we won't be

Indeed, but we won't be attacked endlessly if some of us mistake "British people" for MI5, whereas we will be if we mistake "Jews" for Mossad.

There are many who want us to conflate Jews with all kinds of things.

How would we have mistaken them for Jews?

Did they "look Jewish"? I think the identification was that they were Israeli nationals who got themselves deported back to Israel. I have no idea if they were/are self-identified Jews.

I'm not talking about that

I'm not talking about that specific event, but the general situation of discussions of Israel and 9/11 and what happens in those and what is pushed on people or mixed with reasonable stuff.

For example, I get emails promoting Bollyn all the time. But in a recent essay of his that is talking about Israel's role in 9/11, he writes

"Zionist Jews established their media empire in the United States in the early 1900s and have been able to control how Americans think for generations."

That will be offensive to Jewish people and has nothing really to do with Israel's role on 9/11/01 but everything to do with turning people against Zionist Jews in general. This is the classic mixing of anti-semitic stuff with legitimate questions about the role of Israelis or Mossad.

Okay, fair enough

Bollyn's conflation of Zionism and Jewish identity should be offensive to non-Jews, too. :) But when you phrase it "turning people against Zionist Jews in general" you are also improperly conflating an ideology and a religious/cultural identity. I'm against Zionists but not against Jews.

TruthNow - If you read and understood my complete post

I think you would see that I was clearly stating that the perpetrators are from many countries and that their ethnicity, "religion" and nationality are irrelevant.

I was specifically responding to a comment that we need to avoid falling into the "Jewish trap" and stating that as long as we adhere to a policy of civil promulgation of confirmed facts we should not have to modify our public outreach approach to placate any one group.

Nine months ago I argued that we should minimize the role of the Mossad and other Israeli elements to avoid this pubic relations ugliness, I no longer feel that is wise, justified or strategically advantageous. In fact, I would argue the opposite now, we need to expose those who are working to stifle the truth and confront them directly whenever and wherever possible.

Now, with all that said, as language describes reality it is critically important. Thus, we should never confuse Jewish people with Zionists just as we should never confuse Christians with neo-cons, conservatives with Republicans or progressives with Democrats. Facts are precise; and clear, accurate language is required when describing events and people.

In answer your specific question, I would include MI5, MI6, Saudi Intelligence and the ISI as foreign intelligence agencies that have been solidly linked to the crimes of 9/11 and/or its cover-up. Many other foreign intelligence services have information that would be useful in exposing the crimes of 9/11, as well, most notably the Russian and Chinese services. Additionally, I'm quite certain that all the European intelligence services have by now concluded that al Qaeda did not perpetrate 9/11.

We need to pursue and promote the truth in as unbiased and civil a manner as possible.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Leftwright, thanks for

Leftwright, thanks for clarifying your point...and I certainly agree with everything you stated above. I just think it's critically important to fairly balance the blame out to ALL parties who were involved in the planning, orchestration, execution, and cover-up of the 9/11 attack. We have counter-intell who are more than 'at the ready' to twist our mistakes out of whack so the unwitting outside will conflate us with anti-semites, etc. This is a movement, like no other, of multi-tasking. Unfortunately it's quite a bit like the highway chase scene in The Matrix: Reloaded. We have multiple obstacles seeking to thwart our objective all at once. Among other things, this is a movement of bobbing and weaving, as well as steering, breaking, and accelerating.

First they came for the "anarchist truthers"...

I'm really wondering what possible basis you have, birdwatcher, for describing this new site as "clearly anarchist" in design. Surely it must come down to color scheme and font -- because the anarchists I know don't describe themselves as "patriotic Americans" and mostly are not for Ron Paul. I think you're using the term carelessly -- but if you're implying that it is "anarchist" in the sense that it promotes violence, then you are making a dangerous and baseless assertion.

This is a time when people need to be especially careful about who amongst us we may marginalize, because if a real threat materializes, those people are going to be the first targets. So maybe there are some lines you are going to draw to distinguish who is your ally and who is not -- fine, but please base them on something more substantial than your dislike of their design choices and the fact that they are selling t-shirts.

public relations, identity, commercialism

The public identity and vision of the 9-11 truth movement is not a trivial matter. As the founding graphic designer of the national 9-11 truth movement, I will assure you that my concern is rooted in the bigger picture of public relations.

There is a large segment of "visually oriented" busy Americans who form their conclusions based on their quick perception from surfing the look and feel of a website. No matter the fine text at that states "The truth movement is not a fringe element" (a curious inclusion), elements of the site design work together to give a different impression to website surfers. (visual power is often a blind spot to many intellects who love the written word).

In the near future, after general public perception has been successfully swayed to relegate the 9-11 truth movement to same counterculture stature as anarchists, this will be the time when we are all in REAL trouble. Due to general "public perception" that anarchists are potentially violent, authorities have been able to target anarchists for very aggressive treatment and investigation. (Recall Geraldo Rivero's recent public reference to 9-11 protesters as "a group of anarchists!")

The mixing of credible identities will also be associated with's strategic marketing decision to use Sex (via provocative models) to sell its own t-shirts. Details will be addressed in the website analysis to be published soon.

Jan Hoyer
Graphics and Media for Effecting Change

Full text of H.R. 1955

The full text of H.R. 1955 was recently posted as a blog entry on this site:

Disgusting how some Jews who vowed "Never Again" merely

65 years ago regarding the Holocaust seem to be aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it.

It is not helpful to use ethnic identifications of groups

There are aiders and abetters of the perpetrators among all groups, nations, tribes and religions. There are also courageous truth seekers and true patriots among all groups, nations, tribes and religions. It is not helpful to use ethnic identifications of groups - however tempting that may be.
We simply must rise above this temptation - or we will never get out of this morass.


Agreed ^^^

But this overall means we are winning the information war... not surprising, since the lies cannot stand in an open information society. However, it means things could get real nasty soon...

Isn't "Never Again" a phrase credited mainly to Jewish people

regarding the Holocaust? Isn't the "Simon Wiesenthal Center" a Jewish organization?

Was it anti-Semitic to suggest that someJewish people who rightly say "never again" regarding the Holocaust should not aid & abet those who perpetrated the 9/11 holocaust?

Was I not just stating some factual common sense here, that you are trying to escalate into anti-Semiticism?

Good Jews need to disavow themselves from Zionist fanatics then.

No more blood for the artificial country/state of Israel, the land of endless, staged wars that feeds our military/industrial complex.

business as usual

The Simon Wiesthenthal Center was also very vocal in their opposition to any mention of the people in the camps who were wearing pink triangles rather than yellow stars. Simon says his people's suffering is sacred. The other people in the camps didn't count.


Colombo said: "Disgusting how some Jews who vowed "Never Again" merely

65 years ago regarding the Holocaust seem to be aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it."

Please be specific before we drop a statement like this. What "Jews" are you talking about?

Maybe some of these "Jews" ?

Yeah, I know that the list includes a couple of Gentiles to ...

* William Kristol,
* Robert Kagan
*Bruce P. Jackson
* Mark Gerson
* Randy Scheunemann
Project staff
* Ellen Bork
* Gary Schmitt
* Thomas Donnelly
* Reuel Marc Gerecht
* Timothy Lehmann
* Michael Goldfarb
Former directors and staff :
* Daniel McKivergan
Signatories to Statement of Principles :
* Elliott Abrams
* Gary Bauer
* William J. Bennett
* John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
* Richard B. Cheney
* Eliot A. Cohen
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Steve Forbes
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Fred C. Ikle
* Donald Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
* Norman Podhoretz
* J. Danforth Quayle
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Henry S. Rowen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Vin Weber
* George Weigel
* Paul Wolfowitz
Signatories or contributors to other significant letters or reports
* Elliott Abrams
* Kenneth Adelman
* Richard V. Allen
* Richard L. Armitage
* Gary Bauer
* Jeffrey Bell
* William J. Bennett
* Jeffrey Bergner
* John R. Bolton
* Ellen Bork
* Rudy Boschwitz
* Linda Chavez
* Eliot Cohen
* Seth Cropsey
* Midge Decter
* Paula Dobriansky
* Thomas Donnelly
* Nicholas Eberstadt,
* Hillel Fradkin
* Aaron Friedberg
* Francis Fukuyama
* Frank Gaffney
* Jeffrey Gedmin
* Reuel Marc Gerecht
* Charles Hill
* Bruce P. Jackson
* Eli S. Jacobs
* Michael Joyce
* Donald Kagan
* Robert Kagan
* Zalmay Khalilzad
* Jeane Kirkpatrick
* Charles Krauthammer
* William Kristol
* John Lehman
* I. Lewis Libby
* Tod Lindberg
* Rich Lowry
* Clifford May
* Joshua Muravchik
* Michael O'Hanlon
* Martin Peretz
* Richard Perle
* Daniel Pipes
* Norman Podhoretz
* Peter W. Rodman
* Stephen P. Rosen
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Randy Scheunemann
* Gary Schmitt
* William Schneider, Jr.
* Richard H. Shultz
* Henry Sokolski
* Stephen J. Solarz
* Vin Weber
* Leon Wieseltier
* Marshall Wittmann
* Paul Wolfowitz
* R. James Woolsey
* Dov Zakheim
* Robert B. Zoellick

I take it that you have done sufficient research on your own to know why those persons are relevant to 9-11 ...
"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya

other friends

the Chertoffs, Wurmsers, P. Zelikow, David Horrowitz, Alan Dershowitz, Hellerstein, Dan Senor, The Fleishers, The Eisenbergs, The Atzmons, Lowry, Rahm Emmanuel....etc, etc.

True American patriots and lovers of justice - jew, gentile, or muslim - need to rise up! It is time.

Dancing Israeli Mossad agents, I mean "visiting art sudents"

celebrating as people died in the towers.

Lucky Larry "pull-it" Silverstein & his pal Eliot Spitzer.

Video Clip about "Dancing Israelis"...

I think the use of the term "Jew" is totally non-constructive, just as when the label "Muslim" and "Christian" is used to sterotype "persons" involved in the crimes of 9/11 or in any other derogatory statement, there are good and bad in ALL religions and non-religious groups too.

Also I can't understand how people use the term "Jew" as an ethnicity, it's not, it's a religion, the current population of Israel is made up mostly by European, Middle Eastern, Russian and Southern Asian immigrants.

The last point is, if it was a covert israeli operation... WHY would they be dancing on top of a van for all to see ? This is more smoke and mirrors in the deception... Now if you're talking about the Zionist agenda, actively pursued since the early 1900's (probably much longer than that if you call them imperialists), you are probably a lot closer to the truth.

To me they are murdering criminals and will always be...

Anyway, below is the video about the "Five Dancing Israelis"

Link :

FOX Spy Ring Coverage :


Best wishes

Zionist is the better term

Zionist distinguishes our adversaries from people of Jewish ancestry or belief. Keep it simple.

Lists won't get us there

This list gives no information to people who haven't done their research -- and lots haven't done any research -- so listing names will only suggest that we are singling out "Jews" even if that isn't the intention.

I'll spell it out for you, kdumb. Jews of the Simon Wiesenthal

Center who are presenting 9/11 truth sites alongside radical jihadist's sites for the house hearing on "Terrorism and the Internet" --The topic of this blog thread, as if you hadn't noticed.

NYC Mayor Michael Bilderberg, I mean Bloomberg, was tight

with the Wisenthal propaganda. That is, when Mikey wasn't busy bashing the dying 9/11 first responders.

Also re: warmongering, Zionist scum Bloomberg:

"New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg kisses the Western Wall during a
visit to Jerusalem's Old City August 26, 2003. Bloomberg is on a solidarity
visit to Israel this week, a week after a Palestinian suicide bombing on a
Jerusalem bus, and urged it not to talk peace until such violence stopped.
'You can see that America is not letting the terrorists win. We are striking
back and that's I think what Israel has always done and what I would
urge you to continue to do,' Bloomberg said during a visit to Jerusalem's
Hadassah hospital, where wounded from the attack that killed 21 people
are being treated. (Flash 90/Reuters)."

Never again

aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it.

And the new holocaust in Lebanon, Palastine, Iraq, and Afghanistan: Over one Million (1000,000) civilians killed.

how true

it is truly a holocaust - burnt offerings of innocent men, women, and children. how tragic.
we must persevere

Zionist suppression of 9/11

I see this as a tell. The Zionists are one of the main forces suppressing 9/11, and their media power has been used to silence this movement from the beginning.

We know that 5 Mossad agents were celebrating as the first plane struck the tower. They know that we know. They will do anything to preserve their position, and their "homeland's" favored nation (parasitic) status.

It's a chess match. They and their neocon allies in the regime wanted these attacks and took steps to ensure that they happened, and that they were covered up after the fact.

We know that 200 Israeli agents were detained (Cameron/Fox report), that was 140 before 9/11 and 60 after. How many more escaped detection?

The entire matter was made "classified" (calling Michael Chertoff) and they were quietly sent back to Israel after FBI agents -- absolutely convinced of their guilt in the 9/11 attacks -- beat the shit out of them in the basement of the FBI HQ for several months.

Zionists close ranks and use every trick they know to protect Israel.

They have a lot of power here, and it only seems to be increasing over time. That's the factor that apologists like Chomsky overlook. Things aren't static. The government evolves, and not in a good way. Numerous "Israel-firsters" have taken up powerful positions at the top of the government.

Not only that, they have transplanted Israel's anti-Arab racism and their paradigmatic "war on terrorism" to here, using of course 9/11 as the main exhibit.

These fascist affronts to free speech and justice in our land need to be fought. Israeli front groups like AIPAC, ADL, and apparently this Simon Wiesenthal operation need to be exposed and treated like agents of a foreign power. A malignant and dangerous, and nuclear armed foreign power that is known to have sponsored terrorism and false flag attacks in the past, including against the United States (USS Liberty anyone?).

Every word is true. Sorry if the truth hurts.

Jews and Zionism

It is true that militant Zionists are among our most fervent opponents (with rare exceptions, such as Jared Israel, who is both a Zionist and a leading early 9/11 Truth researcher). But we absolutely MUST resist ANY temptation to blame Jews in general. By blaming Jews in general, we would be playing into the Zionists' hands, helping to scare Jews into the belief that they "need Israel."

There do exist plenty of non-Zionist and even anti-Zionist Jews. (See, for example, the long list in Jewish Criticism of Zionism by Edward C. Corrigan, Middle East Policy Council Journal, Winter 1990-91, Number 35.) There also exist plenty of moderate "Haaretz Jews" who support Israel's right to exist but oppose the hawkish, expansionist faction and who want Israel to reach some sort of real accommodation with the Palestinians. Furthermore, many of the most hawkish Zionists here in the United States are not even Jews, but are pre-millenialist Christian religious right wingers, whose support for Israel (and for the most hawkish faction in Israel) frankly weirds out a lot of Jews, even while many also welcome it.

Not only should we NOT blame Jews in general, but, in my opinion, we in the 9/11 Truth movement (or at least those of us who live in places where there are lots of Jews, such as New York City) should make a point of trying to reach out to moderate Jews.

Well said

Read between the lines. Thats why they need Michael (waterboard) Mukasey as the new AG: To get Zionist AIPAC off the spying hook.

This is so over the top!

Now more than ever, it is clear that if we want the truth then we must abandon any hope of retribution. It is ugly that such a heinous act can go unpunished, even rewarded so far. But we must admit that they already got away with the crime and now the law is on their side. Otherwise why would the law demonize truth seekers? The truth is terrorism only to terrorists who are trying to hide the truth. No threat of violence has come from 9/11 truthers, yet they are associated with violence. This transparent manipulation of the facts speaks volumes and it is one more brick in the wall of media and government complicity, nay responsibility for 9/11. Regardless of who in the echelons of power actually carried out the act, now the law is loathe to find them out. But if we demand truth without revenge, if we give the criminals amnesty of a sort in exchange for confessions or proof of the crime, only then may we know what really happened. We will not have any revenge against the perpetrators of 9/11. The question is, will concerned people keep asking for the truth if they will not be able to exact any revenge, i.e. what is most people's motivation for wishing to know the truth? If we are willing to give up on revenge and endure any punishment in order that the truth be known, then the current efforts to label truthers as terrorists will not be fruitful. But if truthers will become split over what to do with the truth, then the demonization may quicken this fragmentation.

National secrecy is a threat to human security.


Find a way to fight legally. The zionists have a big mental strangle hold on US Politicians [who seem to live in a kabbala induced trance]. Legal Action will shed light on the lies even if you lose. If you don't get tough you will be drowned out. Evil will triumph. The stupid people will prosper. And don't think for a second that an email to a US Politician will get past whatever electronic web the NSA might have weaved around them. Thinking for themselves is something that we should never expect from them. And also remember that they [polticos] are scared of the zionists. Really the inclusion of Ae911Truth into an official list of Terror related websites is a way of blacksheeping the Truth Movement so that the Politicians themselves will shun it. The Politicians are scared that the media behind the simon weisenthal people will fry them publicly. The media is working for the weisenthalers, not for the polticos, and all parties involved know it.

How did Dr Jones force an apology and retraction from Greg Palast? He threatened to sue.

SUE! [ for Defamation and/or Libel ie; for being called a terrorist ]

Good Idea syr

Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth should SUE them for defamation at least.

AE Truth has enough members

Can somebody say "CLASS ACTION"?

Sue them..

They just implicated themselves...finally some transparency. What a shame they learned nothing from the holocaust except how to kill others.

Show "That link doesn't work for me at all" by doughnut

Has Anyone Asked Themselves....

...WHY are the S Wiesenthalers doing this cowardly wicked deed?

It must be because they know that Israel's pursuit of Lebensraum is threatened by the Truth of the 911 Movement because it is the awakening that will break the zionist stranglehold over the North American CONSCIENCE. Once the Truth is out there, 911 no longer is a clarion call to arms against muslims. It becomes a wakeup call against the hegemonic imperialists who fear muslim technological advancement.

That is what they fear.

This is no objective hearing. It is a sham.

The video (of the hearing) will remain a historic document of how low the quest for Truth in Congress has stooped. The message is:

"We have ceded the Internet to our enemies"

As if the Internet is the private property of the Neocons. This hearing is a setup. To me it means they want to outsource Internet Truth censorship to Zionists. To stifle dissent against perpetual wars and brutal military occupation and terror by torture.

If you have doubts about the Zionists, go to Ryan Dawson (who had to move to Japan): 911, Iraq, PNAC , All roads lead to Israel

Remember: One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. That includes Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

Truth is invincible. Nothing can stop the light of Dawn.


You want me to e-mail the Mossad-Wiesenthal center ?
I don't think so .. You do realize that those guys blow people up, right ?
"Listen carefully now : DO NOT DESTROY OIL-WELLS" Dubya

In any dictatorship.....

which, after all, is what we now appear to have in our country (though the fist is gloved and the arm is poised to strike, it has not yet quite hit our faces)..... in any dictatorship, as we all know, the truth falls victim first and any who dare to think it, let alone speak it, become enemies of the state, of the Empire.

They will villify and marginalize and promulgate that lie that we are traitors any way they can in preparation for the fist hitting.

Questioning, transparency and seeking the truth were esteemed values in the Republic. Darkness and fear, the hallmarks of Empire.

I know everybody here knows this... I just had to vent.
"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

If contacting Mr. Weitzman

perhaps mention Rabbi Michael Lerner as a prominent Jewish skeptic who has identified himself as "agnostic" on the question of 9/11. Lerner's agnosticism reflects the reasonable assumption that a proper investigation of 9/11 has never taken place.

Rabbi Lerner

blind man, Michael

from the bottom of that node:
"“Anything about Israel and the relationship to 9/11,” Lerner said, “I think is total baloney.”

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, that have eyes, and see not, that have ears, and hear not:"

Jeremiah 5:21

Scared? Say "bring it on!"

There was a time in my life when I received many implicit death threats from organized crime types. I was able to stop the threats and organized crime's attempts to influence my life by saying "bring it on."

HR 1955 was created to intimidate us. We have the resources and strength to combat attempts to label us as terrorists. If we cower, then HR 1955 will have done its job. If we cower now, then it may be possible that we will end up in concentration camps in a few years. That could happen to those who cower now. If we resist, then HR 1955 will be restricted to pertain to only a few jihadists.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has years of experience of protecting Zionist lies from independent investigation. Believe the story, or they follow you home.

The Catholic Inquisition: You were forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody . The Church attained power and made billions from the myth.

The holocaust: You are forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody . Jews/Israel attained power and made billions from the myth.

9/11: You are forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody. The conspirators attained power and made billions from the myth.

"They [truthers] have no respect for the dead and no respect for little children who now have been orphaned." - NY POST

Same Zealots, different dogmas. It's the perfect scam, the dead can't speak, but the assumption is they would agree with the official story if they could and you have to prove otherwise!

Don't take the bait...

Don't take the bait folks - even if it is over the top. As the second person to sign on to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I'm glad we are getting the attention, but alarmed at the way others may want to use our organization. Let the facts go where they may, but don't poison the well with the anti-Semitic spin many may attempt to lump us with. We are not about racism, religion, political affiliation, or violence in any form. We are for getting out the truth behind the 9/11 event: How the buildings actually were destroyed, as understood from our unique professional perspective. We welcome all design professionals who share this viewpoint. We welcome those who still have questions, we welcome those are open to the truth.

Show "'We welcome those who still" by pi3

So is this situation an attempt to make us look anti-Semitic??

*THINK* about that. They get us all excited with this bait, we start saying things we wouldn't have said otherwise, and we will later wake up to find ourselves labeled as *anti-Semitic*.

I've even once tried to lead a person to 911 truth; the next day she looked somewhere on the internet and decided the movement was anti-Semitic. Of course that is not true, but she will no longer listen. This is what *they* want!!

Don't take the bait! An inappropriate reaction WILL be used against us.


it blows my mind that it is so so acceptable to be antisemitic when it comes to one should be afraid of being labeled at this point, no one. just keep aiming at and nudging the truth, in no matter what company you my find yourselves.

Without a firewall against smears and distortions . . .

>>We are not about racism, religion, political affiliation, or violence in any form

Good point 7man.

I saw someone listing "Jews" in the Bush Admin earlier in this thread -- say goodbye to any credibility we might have when you are scoring that post up. Next stop is how Jews control Hollywood, and on and on. It is a slippery slope that inexperienced people will quickly fall into with the encouragement of the white supremacist groups masking as "9/11" groups.

We believe that Israel had a role or at least knew in advance, and likely others did too. We also know what many Zionists are about.

But we also know that all Jews are not Zionists, some Zionists are just people who really want a place to call their home in the world, and many Jews understand the 9/11 cover-up and spread truths.

If you are going to get into the area of Zionism, Israel, and 9/11, set-up a firewall between yourself and anti-semitic claims and groups. Already the list on this thread shows people cannot do that. If you cannot protect yourself and the movement, you become a liability to destroying the efforts of many with easy smears against us.

It is the easiest thing in the world to take our work and destroy it with connections to anti-semitism.

Here's how --

Holocaust Denial Versus 9-11 Truth
It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial or revisionism. Some of the more prominent ones are:
* Christoper Bollyn, writer for The American Free Press
* The American Free Press , part of a parent organization that includes the Hitler-praising Barnes Review
* Eric Hufschmid, the author of influential books and videos about the 9/11 attack.
* , a site that highlights the Waco massacre, speculates about 9/11 conspiracies, and promotes neo-Nazi websites
* , a site with extensive links to and
In January of 2007 CNN devoted a segment of Paula Zahn NOW to attacking all 9/11 'conspiracy theorists' as racists who assert that Jews were behind the attack.

American Free Press / Barnes Review:
neo-Nazi originator of some 9/11 complicity hoaxes

"No Planes and No Gas Chambers"
Holocaust deniers push hoaxes that sabotage 9/11 Truth Movement

Taking responsibility for counteracting bigotry in our midst
Many people in the 9/11 Truth movement are appalled by the blatant Jew-hating of once-respected 9/11 Truth activists such as Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn. But how should we counter such bigotry?

I think most 9/11 truthers...

can tell the difference between intellectual dishonesty & so-called "antisemitism". And if you want to preach about "holocaust denial" you should at least inform yourself before spewing tired Zionist propaganda against anyone who has done the research. It's also interesting to note that most of the so-called anti-anti-Semites are also controlled demolition deniers, like oilempire used to be...

Think it has something to do with the dancing Mossad that were there to "document the event"? And as I said in my comment above, Zionists have built their entire legacy on denying the truth in history & manufacturing historic myths. Why do some have such a problem with those of us who deny those lies & manufactured myths?

History's only controversial when you have something in your past to hide.

Well said

I say this before the Anti-Anti vote you down.

still speaking the truth i

still speaking the truth i see.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

9/11 sites terrorists

I think this accusation of terrorism is offensive. I expect that the accusation that 9/11 truth sites have anything to do with terrorism will backfire.

This is slander, and it should be renounced.

No time to be naive.

"We are not about racism, religion, political affiliation, or violence in any form."


And they just called you "terrorists" on the floor of Congress.

Absolutely you need to sue them, immediately. Use this opportunity for exposure and to strike back against this despicable affront to free speech, democratic principles, justice and the rule of law (even the right to rationally evaluate evidence for yourself!). These people will not stop until someone opposes them, and wins.

"Let the facts go where they may, but don't poison the well with the anti-Semitic spin many may attempt to lump us with."

You're buying into their propaganda at the outset. "Anti-Semitic" is a bogus term. The Palestinians are "Semitic." The state of Israel is the most "anti-Semitic" body on earth.

The label is a zionist bludgeon used to silence legitimate discussion of their ongoing crimes. They pretend we are still in the World War 2 period, and the poor victims of Nazi atrocities require special treatment after special treatment, and complete exemption from international law and the Geneva Conventions.

Please research how this propaganda has been used for decades for the direct political benefit of Israel and its supporters. This is central to understanding September 11th.

Don't cede the language nor the framing of the issue. And don't let agents and propagandists of a foreign state sponsor of terrorism silence you.


"Absolutely you need to sue them, immediately. Use this opportunity for exposure and to strike back"

That's what I think, too. Not doing anything about it would only encourage them to go further.

I completely agree about suing them.

Where are the Legal Professionals for 9/11 Truth? If someone(s) won't step up to do this pro bono, then I for one will chip in to help buy legal representation for ae911truth.

We need to defend ourselves

How much money do we need to start the legal process? I am sure there are professional lawyers inside the movement who can initiate the process. But for the money, all of us should be ready to pitch in. Otherwise, once we get labeled "terrorist", our job will become thousand time harder.

This is a psychological war against our movement, and I am telling you, these Zionists and supporting media are damn good at it! Look how they have portrayed Palestinian victims as terrorists in the eyes of western word for decades. "Radical jihadist"... WTF! They even have their own word-factory.

Where are you, lawyers?

I'd hate to think that there aren't any around...

What about you members of ae911truth, are you discussing doing something about this?

A spade is a spade

If Israel was involved so be it. Personally I think syr_mordryd hit the nail on the head in a prior message:

"Has Anyone Asked Themselves...WHY are the S Wiesenthalers doing this cowardly wicked deed?
It must be because they know that Israel's pursuit of Lebensraum is threatened by the Truth of the 911 Movement because it is the awakening that will break the zionist stranglehold over the North American CONSCIENCE. Once the Truth is out there, 911 no longer is a clarion call to arms against muslims. It becomes a wakeup call against the hegemonic imperialists who fear muslim technological advancement. That is what they fear."

There must be GREAT fear here. Playing the race card, anti-semitic card, etc. are old tricks. Not to be trite, but where I live illegal immigrants were secretly spray painting KKK symbols on their own day labor sites. They claimed they were a racist target and anyone who is against them must belong to the KKK. They had a field day with it until they were caught. This is the lowest of low and a sign of desperation.

As to the Wiesenthalers portraying 9/11 truth along with does appear as a desperate attempt to sway a public that will soon be busting with 9/11 truth. Bottom line is that we have to put all fear aside and continue to seek the truth regardless of whom or what it implicates.

Like cornered rats

Oh but for the glorious dark ages when vital information was buried in dusty old library books which only 000.1 percent of the population read and every piece of news filtered through the maw of Walter Cronkite!

That’s the message here. The democratization of knowledge via the internet has these scoundrels running scared.

Abe Foxman said something similar a ways back:

"the information revolution . . . which has made it so easy, so magnificent for us to communicate instantaneously . . . has a dark underbelly. It is also a superhighway for hate".

Of course, orgs like the ADL don’t really care about real expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment ( and certainly not hatred against other ethnic groups). If they did, why did they just give their Distinguished Statesman Award to Silvio Berlusconi, an open Nazi sympathizer who praises Mussolini? Oh right. Because he’s Italy’s richest man and a fervent supporter of Zionism.

Simon Wiethensal, ADL etc. are at best lobby groups for Israel and at worst domestic front groups for Mossad.

I would join with others in suggesting that AE911truth sue these dirtbags for their outrageous slander.


In antiquity...slaves were, in all honesty, called slaves. In the Middle Ages, they took the name of serfs; nowadays, they are called wage earners. -- Bakunin

right on, Danse

kate of the kiosk

Here's what I wrote Rep Harman:

I read recently that, at a presentation to the Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment, Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center included several listings of 911 "truth" organizations as somehow being suspect of having links to terrorism.

This is extremely bothering to me, since I support attempts to find out the truth behind the 911 attacks. For such groups to be given the appearance of being associated with terrorism rather than with the fight against terrorism stands logic on its head and does these groups a great dis-service.

If you would like to find out more about one such group, "Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth", I suggest that you or a representative attend the upcoming talk in Santa Rosa by Richard Gage, the founder of the organization. Here's the information:

Richard Gage, AIA of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be speaking for 1 1/2 hour in Santa Rosa on Saturday, December 8th, 7 pm, at Odd Fellows Hall - 545 Pacific Ave. (near Mendocino Ave.)

Fred W

Good approach

This is a good approach. If senators are going to be spoon-fed propaganda against 9/11 truth then they can be invited to 9/11 events to make up their own minds. It is pretty extreme to call us terrorists and it is not long before one or two senators scratch their heads and say that something doesn't add up. Why the extreme measures if it is all just conspiracy nonsense? And if previously uninterested parties become involved then that means the truth will spread even further.

National secrecy is a threat to human security.

I'm FLATTERED that I've been labeled a "terrorist"!

If a corrupt gov't I'm trying to expose didn't label me one, then I would feel my questioning them wasn't working. Nice to know they are feeling the heat from mine and other 9/11 truth sites.

I take the "terrorist" label from a corrupt gov't as a badge of honor.


"Soon Soon Soon will be the attack on Manhattan"???

What does this mean? What the hell is this guy saying? This is his very last point and he skips over it quickly with a very unclear statement. Way to confuse the masses bro! 9/11 truth is about supporting 9/11 families and finding out truth not some wack prediction about an attack on Manhattan in 2007!

This is beyond disgusting

It is truly appalling and underhanded for this panel to conflate legitimate 9/11 websites with outrageous Arab terror message boards and the like.

All of this stuff is pure non-sense ... It requires such a radical departure from any form of logic to embrace these promotions of simultaneous things that would cancel themselves out. Essentially this is the thought process they are trying to promote as the underpinnings of the 9/11 truth movement.

9/11 Truth Movement: "Sure, elements of the government carried out the 9/11 attacks and covered it up with assistance from huge corporate media, AND THAT makes me SO MAD that I want to scour the internet and discover how to become a Muslim jihad person ..... so that I can learn how to, then do, 9/11 style attacks as a payback and expression of my rage against their original inside job."

I mean I realize that many Americans are dumb ... but that is downright insulting to think that they can paint the above as a truther sentiment and agenda.

But there is a lot of that disconnected from reality, pure non-sense being promoted in other ways.

Like the disconnect where, "Hey these jihad people live in remote wastelands (that somehow have incredible 21st century networks and western internet infrastructure even though there is no other modern development - not even roads or running water) and they spend every waking minute online posting videos, and messages with such a degree of sophistication that they can't ever be busted by our intelligence agencies, ... which is why we need Israeli private firms like SITE and MEMRI to compile and relay them to us."

The more ridiculous the inconsistencies - the harder it is for them to break from them. These kinds of conflicting inconsistencies will wake a lot of people up just through ration and reason alone.

Keep trying N.W.O. ---- you desperation shows.

"9/11 Truth Movement: "Sure,

"9/11 Truth Movement: "Sure, elements of the government carried out the 9/11 attacks and covered it up with assistance from huge corporate media, AND THAT makes me SO MAD that I want to scour the internet and discover how to become a Muslim jihad person ..... so that I can learn how to, then do, 9/11 style attacks as a payback and expression of my rage against their original inside job."

Ha, I'm glad you articulated this...I hope this is stored into a vault for the time when we may need to read it aloud...

Serious threat

Unfortunately, that threat may need to be taken seriously.

The same pattern -- disgusted individuals take revenge on the government -- can be found in the Okhahoma City bombing (McVeigh and Nichols were probably serious in *their* roles in it). The WTC attacks have also been explained in terms of payback or blowback of sorts. There may be other examples.

Response to OKC reference.

"(McVeigh and Nichols were probably serious in *their* roles in it)."

What leads you to believe this?

I have doubts about McVeigh.

1) False flag attack. Bombs in the buildings (Gen. Partin).

2) Gov't refused to show video surveillance footage that would identify (or not) McVeigh at the scene.

3) McVeigh's ties to military, probably undercover / provocateur in some capacity.

4) McVeigh's capture by a police officer. McVeigh could have shot the officer and gotten away, but chose not to. If he had just murdered hundreds of people, why wouldn't he make an attempt to escape?

5) McVeigh's sister was somehow involved, apparently used as leverage to get him to cooperate with the prosecution.

All very suspicious.

Their assault on us, will be their own hideous exposure

Publius, Your third paragraph, even though, it was said in sarcasm, is still a bad thing to say here on the internet. That kind of statement, despite its sarcasm, is just the kind of thing, they would love to distort, and claim that we are trying actually do, such things. Distortion is their game. We know that only too well.

A lawsuit against those scoundrels putting us in the same category as actual terrorists, need to be sued alright. That would be perfect for the truth movement, also, in giving us more credibility, them of course, the scoundrels, the exposure to all that hear the story, of what they are, and are trying to do, squelch us. They will only give us an opportunity, that will leave their ugly naked souls, for all to see, stained dark with blood.

Oh my comments are definately made in sarcasm

I am only articulating what they are trying to imply and pointing out how phenomenally ridiculous it is.

We are the people who are sick of violence - who are sick of terrorism - who are identifying who is conducting the terrorism. It requires such an intellectual disconnect for anyone to believe that we are the people who want to carry out violence and terrorism.

And yet that is what this idiotic panel is tacitly implying and trying to promote.

It is so over the top and preposterous that I am just shaking my head in disbelief that they would try and play that card.

I mean do they REALLY THINK that is going to fly ? ... that anyone is going to think there is some kind of terrorist/truther alliance ?

What horse squeeze....

Scary thing is,

I fear there ARE some unwitting Americans who may believe such horseshit. The average American has become so incredibly stupified that they are liable to buy literally anything. Anything at all. Of course the vast majority won't, but some undoubtedly will. The promoters of such insanity will probably attempt to claim that we "started out" as "jihadists" and then secretly became a "truth movement" as another strategy to overthrow the western empire using some form of "reverse psychology". Their main obstacle though, of course, is that most of the 9/11 truth movement consists of caucasion folks. The government is still having a hard time equating us with islamic terrorism because of that fact. They tried to undermine that obstacle with John Walker Lynn...though they (for the most part) failed with that.
One thing is for certain: the perpetrators of 9/11 DO understand how intelligently sophisticated our movement is. They, no doubt, view us as a legit force to be reckoned with. THAT, Killtown, is the honor. Being labeled a "terrorist", is not. And you essentially outed yourself with that one statement of yours.

Does anyone wknow how to make a backup copy of the video ?


bonjour ,

The video is important because listening to the intervants we can cleary understand that "911 truth web sites" are going to be closed down because they will be considered to be terrorist friendly.

Does anyone wknow how to make a backup copy of the video given on the top entry ?

Homeland Security - Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment

Thanks for any help.

Have not yet managed to see where "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" are put in cause. Even looking several times around
"the pertinent section begins at the 43:31 mark" as given above.

Perhaps we can ask "House Homeland Security Subcommittee" for a right to reply by the "911 truth movement" as was done for the BBC's
“9/11: The Conspiracy Files” programme


Media Kung Fu

Sue 'em?! Are you guys kidding? Do I alone see the huge opening?

A&E, demand fairness time from C-SPAN!

Now - at this point - they can't turn you down. Someone called you terrorists on their "public service" network. So....are they going to be used like that? Are they an Israel lobby channel, or will they give you equal time? It's ok for some lobbyist to hurl the T word at Americans on C-SPANs nickel, and C-SPAN does nothing? You see the case here. And we know some good people work at C-SPAN, they aired the L.A. truth event.

Strategy warnings: 1. A&E should never say, "we are not terrorists" which sounds like "I do not beat my children" and "I do not smoke pot." Remember this is a MEDIA INFORMATION WAR - not a legal battle or political debate society. 2. We lose audience yakking about Jews, Israel, etc. A&E is about engineering. If you turn this winning subject into Middle Eastern / NWO political muck then you walk into the trap.

The thing for A&E to say:

"The lobby group confuses architectural study with Middle Eastern politics. We use professional engineering standards to reach technical conclusions about a technical subject, the total collapse of three skyscrapers from two plane hits in mere hours."

Optional sentence:

"If the lobby's contention is that licensed professionals can prostitute engineering to political agendas, we concur. Unlike structural engineers who staffed the government's 9-11 panels, we were not politically appointed, and work pro bono."

Mark Weutzman

I emailed Mr Weitzman and he replied as follows.

I emailed him back, explaining my reasons for concern.
When i get a reply, i'll post it.


Dear Mr. Weitzman

I just saw your testimony at the "Terrorism and the Internet" hearing.
You equated the 9/11 truth movement to violent terrorist organizations.
Millions of patriotic Americans [80% in one poll] don't believe the government or the media are telling us the truth about 9/11.
We are asking for an independent investigation into 9/11.
There is nothing violent about that.
To infer that we are violent terrorists or anarchists is wrong, repugnant and a slap in the face to free speech.
The truth is spreading and you can only discredit your organization by slandering a non-violent AMERICAN grass roots movement.

I invite you to go to and look at the videos of the implosion of WTC 7.
Those videos are the reason i am part of the truth movement.
Please consider these facts.

FEMA 5-30
If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded

The debris of WTC 7 was mostly contained within the original footprint of the building.

Every high rise building that has ever imploded was a controlled demolition.
It is a fine art and cannot happen by chance.


Chris Sarns


Dear Mr.Sarns,

Over the past few days I have received a number of emails regarding my testimony to the House Committee on Homeland Security. Much of those emails appear to have been based on misapprehensions of my testimony. My testimony was about “the Internet as a tool for violent radicalization”, and not about 9/11. My reference to 9/11 consisted of 1 sentence out of 6 pages of testimony, and in that sentence (with 2 out of 38 accompanying PowerPoint slides) I referenced “how 9/11 is viewed in some eyes, including those who applauded it as well as some conspiracy sites.” I then continue by illustrating the types of conspiracy theories often found online, such as those based upon of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous antisemitic text, or that generally blame the US government in a pernicious manner (i.e. for intentionally spreading the AIDS virus), or that have the “entire Western World engaged in a conspiracy against Islam” Nowhere in there is there any mention of 9/11! In this regard our only concern with 9/11 is when the inquiries slide into incubators for hate (i.e. “This fake Hamas soldier wearing a "Star of David" is as much a Zionist as the 9-11 terrorists Chertoff covers for. Chertoff is the son of a terrorist himself. Don't let him off the hook!”).

Finally, in my recommendations, I never urged any type of censorship. In fact, I specifically state that (#5) that any steps taken in regard to the Internet must be done legally, and over the course of a decade in dealing with this issue I have consistently stressed that the First Amendment must be maintained in the virtual as well as the real world. I have even argued that in conferences in Europe when attempts were being made to impose international controls on the Internet, saying, as I did last year in Berlin that we should “avoid getting bogged down in a useless debate on the First Amendment” because we (in the US) are not going to erase it, nor should we.

Please feel free to share this with any interested parties.


Mark Weitzman

This is disingenuous

This is disingenuous. What was his purpose in mentioning "conspiracy sites" if not to associate them with "those who applauded" 9/11? Does he mean to say that the Architects & Engineers site was used as an example of confused citizens who are being misled by terrorists? That is very doubtful. He did not set up an equation, he used the power of suggestion and the suggestion was that jihadist sites and AE911truth are both examples of the same thing. That was a calculated move, probably in an effort to try to marginalize AE911 truth or discourage senators from looking for themselves.

I agree with the guy who said AE911truth should be demanding airtime on CSPAN to respond to this.

The inclusion of AE911truth in Weitzman's presentation was not an innocuous association, nor should he be allowed to brush it off. It was a not-so-subtle blow in an ongoing information war. This is a case of covert propaganda caught in action! The chess pieces are moving and now we have an opening. How do we respond? I say we play it cool and use this opportunity to spell out the truth in no uncertain terms. What we know and what we don't know. No theories. The facts are damning enough.

National secrecy is a threat to human security.

Mark Weitzman

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Net Nanny now considers to be a "Hate" site

It appears that the efforts of the wiesenthalers are bearing fruit. I use Net Nanny (now "Content Watch") at home, primarily to keep my kids from stumbling across porn. As a side-effect, occasionally Net Nanny also blocks other objectionable material, such as so-called "Hate" sites. Well, I've been visiting for years with Net Nanny enabled and it was never blocked. However, today (11.25.07) was the first day that this site was blocked because it is now classified under Net Nanny's category called "Hate and Violence".

WTF ????

We are seeing censorship in action, albeit a very lame and feeble attempt. Maybe Net Nanny and the SWC should start a new category called "Truth" and start blocking that.

911 Truth Movement and anti-Semitism

There are lots of actual conspiracy theory nuts among the ranks of 911 truthers, believers in things like the Illuminati, the New World Order, reptilians, etc. and among them are plenty of anti-Semites as well. In fact these people rightly make some Jews afraid that this is an effort to blame them for an act of treason against the U.S., and so organizations like the Wiesenthal Center are opposing the 9/11 truth movement. You can find plenty of these anti-Semites posting on places like the Alex Jones site. But there is nothing the least bit anti-Semitic on or, and 911blogger, I am happy to see, is making strong efforts to keep them away. I have frequently had to tell Jewish friends who know that I am anything but anti-Semitic that in my view that 9/11 has nothing to do with Jews or Israel or Zionism. It is a hard sell, though.