65 years ago regarding the Holocaust seem to be aiding & abetting the perpetrators of the new 9/11 holocaust to get away with it.

Now more than ever, it is clear that if we want the truth then we must abandon any hope of retribution. It is ugly that such a heinous act can go unpunished, even rewarded so far. But we must admit that they already got away with the crime and now the law is on their side. Otherwise why would the law demonize truth seekers? The truth is terrorism only to terrorists who are trying to hide the truth. No threat of violence has come from 9/11 truthers, yet they are associated with violence. This transparent manipulation of the facts speaks volumes and it is one more brick in the wall of media and government complicity, nay responsibility for 9/11. Regardless of who in the echelons of power actually carried out the act, now the law is loathe to find them out. But if we demand truth without revenge, if we give the criminals amnesty of a sort in exchange for confessions or proof of the crime, only then may we know what really happened. We will not have any revenge against the perpetrators of 9/11. The question is, will concerned people keep asking for the truth if they will not be able to exact any revenge, i.e. what is most people's motivation for wishing to know the truth? If we are willing to give up on revenge and endure any punishment in order that the truth be known, then the current efforts to label truthers as terrorists will not be fruitful. But if truthers will become split over what to do with the truth, then the demonization may quicken this fragmentation.

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National secrecy is a threat to human security.

The video (of the hearing) will remain a historic document of how low the quest for Truth in Congress has stooped. The message is:

"We have ceded the Internet to our enemies"

As if the Internet is the private property of the Neocons. This hearing is a setup. To me it means they want to outsource Internet Truth censorship to Zionists. To stifle dissent against perpetual wars and brutal military occupation and terror by torture.

If you have doubts about the Zionists, go to Ryan Dawson (who had to move to Japan): 911, Iraq, PNAC , All roads lead to Israel

Remember: One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. That includes Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.

Truth is invincible. Nothing can stop the light of Dawn.

which, after all, is what we now appear to have in our country (though the fist is gloved and the arm is poised to strike, it has not yet quite hit our faces)..... in any dictatorship, as we all know, the truth falls victim first and any who dare to think it, let alone speak it, become enemies of the state, of the Empire.

They will villify and marginalize and promulgate that lie that we are traitors any way they can in preparation for the fist hitting.

Questioning, transparency and seeking the truth were esteemed values in the Republic. Darkness and fear, the hallmarks of Empire.

I know everybody here knows this... I just had to vent.
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"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

from the bottom of that node:
"“Anything about Israel and the relationship to 9/11,” Lerner said, “I think is total baloney.”

"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, that have eyes, and see not, that have ears, and hear not:"

Jeremiah 5:21

The Simon Wiesenthal Center has years of experience of protecting Zionist lies from independent investigation. Believe the story, or they follow you home.

The Catholic Inquisition: You were forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody . The Church attained power and made billions from the myth.

The holocaust: You are forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody . Jews/Israel attained power and made billions from the myth.

9/11: You are forced to accept a political myth by yielding to the moral thumbscrew of the story of the suffering of somebody. The conspirators attained power and made billions from the myth.

"They [truthers] have no respect for the dead and no respect for little children who now have been orphaned." - NY POST

Same Zealots, different dogmas. It's the perfect scam, the dead can't speak, but the assumption is they would agree with the official story if they could and you have to prove otherwise!

Oh but for the glorious dark ages when vital information was buried in dusty old library books which only 000.1 percent of the population read and every piece of news filtered through the maw of Walter Cronkite!

That’s the message here. The democratization of knowledge via the internet has these scoundrels running scared.

Abe Foxman said something similar a ways back:

"the information revolution . . . which has made it so easy, so magnificent for us to communicate instantaneously . . . has a dark underbelly. It is also a superhighway for hate".

Of course, orgs like the ADL don’t really care about real expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment ( and certainly not hatred against other ethnic groups). If they did, why did they just give their Distinguished Statesman Award to Silvio Berlusconi, an open Nazi sympathizer who praises Mussolini? Oh right. Because he’s Italy’s richest man and a fervent supporter of Zionism.

Simon Wiethensal, ADL etc. are at best lobby groups for Israel and at worst domestic front groups for Mossad.

I would join with others in suggesting that AE911truth sue these dirtbags for their outrageous slander.

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In antiquity...slaves were, in all honesty, called slaves. In the Middle Ages, they took the name of serfs; nowadays, they are called wage earners. -- Bakunin

I read recently that, at a presentation to the Subcommittee on Intelligence, Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment, Mark Weitzman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center included several listings of 911 "truth" organizations as somehow being suspect of having links to terrorism.

This is extremely bothering to me, since I support attempts to find out the truth behind the 911 attacks. For such groups to be given the appearance of being associated with terrorism rather than with the fight against terrorism stands logic on its head and does these groups a great dis-service.

If you would like to find out more about one such group, "Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth", I suggest that you or a representative attend the upcoming talk in Santa Rosa by Richard Gage, the founder of the organization. Here's the information:

Richard Gage, AIA of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be speaking for 1 1/2 hour in Santa Rosa on Saturday, December 8th, 7 pm, at Odd Fellows Hall - 545 Pacific Ave. (near Mendocino Ave.)

Fred W

If a corrupt gov't I'm trying to expose didn't label me one, then I would feel my questioning them wasn't working. Nice to know they are feeling the heat from mine and other 9/11 truth sites.

I take the "terrorist" label from a corrupt gov't as a badge of honor.

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killtown.blogspot.com

What does this mean? What the hell is this guy saying? This is his very last point and he skips over it quickly with a very unclear statement. Way to confuse the masses bro! 9/11 truth is about supporting 9/11 families and finding out truth not some wack prediction about an attack on Manhattan in 2007!

It is truly appalling and underhanded for this panel to conflate legitimate 9/11 websites with outrageous Arab terror message boards and the like.

All of this stuff is pure non-sense ... It requires such a radical departure from any form of logic to embrace these promotions of simultaneous things that would cancel themselves out. Essentially this is the thought process they are trying to promote as the underpinnings of the 9/11 truth movement.

9/11 Truth Movement: "Sure, elements of the government carried out the 9/11 attacks and covered it up with assistance from huge corporate media, AND THAT makes me SO MAD that I want to scour the internet and discover how to become a Muslim jihad person ..... so that I can learn how to, then do, 9/11 style attacks as a payback and expression of my rage against their original inside job."

I mean I realize that many Americans are dumb ... but that is downright insulting to think that they can paint the above as a truther sentiment and agenda.

But there is a lot of that disconnected from reality, pure non-sense being promoted in other ways.

Like the disconnect where, "Hey these jihad people live in remote wastelands (that somehow have incredible 21st century networks and western internet infrastructure even though there is no other modern development - not even roads or running water) and they spend every waking minute online posting videos, and messages with such a degree of sophistication that they can't ever be busted by our intelligence agencies, ... which is why we need Israeli private firms like SITE and MEMRI to compile and relay them to us."

The more ridiculous the inconsistencies - the harder it is for them to break from them. These kinds of conflicting inconsistencies will wake a lot of people up just through ration and reason alone.

Keep trying N.W.O. ---- you desperation shows.

Publius, Your third paragraph, even though, it was said in sarcasm, is still a bad thing to say here on the internet. That kind of statement, despite its sarcasm, is just the kind of thing, they would love to distort, and claim that we are trying actually do, such things. Distortion is their game. We know that only too well.

A lawsuit against those scoundrels putting us in the same category as actual terrorists, need to be sued alright. That would be perfect for the truth movement, also, in giving us more credibility, them of course, the scoundrels, the exposure to all that hear the story, of what they are, and are trying to do, squelch us. They will only give us an opportunity, that will leave their ugly naked souls, for all to see, stained dark with blood.

I am only articulating what they are trying to imply and pointing out how phenomenally ridiculous it is.

We are the people who are sick of violence - who are sick of terrorism - who are identifying who is conducting the terrorism. It requires such an intellectual disconnect for anyone to believe that we are the people who want to carry out violence and terrorism.

And yet that is what this idiotic panel is tacitly implying and trying to promote.

It is so over the top and preposterous that I am just shaking my head in disbelief that they would try and play that card.

I mean do they REALLY THINK that is going to fly ? ... that anyone is going to think there is some kind of terrorist/truther alliance ?

What horse squeeze....

John A MITCHELL
Herbly FRANCE

bonjour ,

The video is important because listening to the intervants we can cleary understand that "911 truth web sites" are going to be closed down because they will be considered to be terrorist friendly.

Does anyone wknow how to make a backup copy of the video given on the top entry ?

Homeland Security - Intelligence, Information Sharing, and Terrorism Risk Assessment
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_...

Thanks for any help.

Have not yet managed to see where "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" are put in cause. Even looking several times around
"the pertinent section begins at the 43:31 mark" as given above.

Perhaps we can ask "House Homeland Security Subcommittee" for a right to reply by the "911 truth movement" as was done for the BBC's
“9/11: The Conspiracy Files” programme
http://www.911blogger.com/node/12495
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6160775.stm
Yours

john

Sue 'em?! Are you guys kidding? Do I alone see the huge opening?

A&E, demand fairness time from C-SPAN!

Now - at this point - they can't turn you down. Someone called you terrorists on their "public service" network. So....are they going to be used like that? Are they an Israel lobby channel, or will they give you equal time? It's ok for some lobbyist to hurl the T word at Americans on C-SPANs nickel, and C-SPAN does nothing? You see the case here. And we know some good people work at C-SPAN, they aired the L.A. truth event.

Strategy warnings: 1. A&E should never say, "we are not terrorists" which sounds like "I do not beat my children" and "I do not smoke pot." Remember this is a MEDIA INFORMATION WAR - not a legal battle or political debate society. 2. We lose audience yakking about Jews, Israel, etc. A&E is about engineering. If you turn this winning subject into Middle Eastern / NWO political muck then you walk into the trap.

The thing for A&E to say:

"The lobby group confuses architectural study with Middle Eastern politics. We use professional engineering standards to reach technical conclusions about a technical subject, the total collapse of three skyscrapers from two plane hits in mere hours."

Optional sentence:

"If the lobby's contention is that licensed professionals can prostitute engineering to political agendas, we concur. Unlike structural engineers who staffed the government's 9-11 panels, we were not politically appointed, and work pro bono."

I emailed Mr Weitzman and he replied as follows.

I emailed him back, explaining my reasons for concern.
When i get a reply, i'll post it.

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Dear Mr. Weitzman

I just saw your testimony at the "Terrorism and the Internet" hearing.
You equated the 9/11 truth movement to violent terrorist organizations.
Millions of patriotic Americans [80% in one poll] don't believe the government or the media are telling us the truth about 9/11.
We are asking for an independent investigation into 9/11.
There is nothing violent about that.
To infer that we are violent terrorists or anarchists is wrong, repugnant and a slap in the face to free speech.
The truth is spreading and you can only discredit your organization by slandering a non-violent AMERICAN grass roots movement.

I invite you to go to wtc7.net and look at the videos of the implosion of WTC 7.
Those videos are the reason i am part of the truth movement.
Please consider these facts.

FEMA 5-30
If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded

NIST L-33
The debris of WTC 7 was mostly contained within the original footprint of the building.

Every high rise building that has ever imploded was a controlled demolition.
It is a fine art and cannot happen by chance.

Shalom

Chris Sarns

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Dear Mr.Sarns,

Over the past few days I have received a number of emails regarding my testimony to the House Committee on Homeland Security. Much of those emails appear to have been based on misapprehensions of my testimony. My testimony was about “the Internet as a tool for violent radicalization”, and not about 9/11. My reference to 9/11 consisted of 1 sentence out of 6 pages of testimony, and in that sentence (with 2 out of 38 accompanying PowerPoint slides) I referenced “how 9/11 is viewed in some eyes, including those who applauded it as well as some conspiracy sites.” I then continue by illustrating the types of conspiracy theories often found online, such as those based upon of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous antisemitic text, or that generally blame the US government in a pernicious manner (i.e. for intentionally spreading the AIDS virus), or that have the “entire Western World engaged in a conspiracy against Islam” Nowhere in there is there any mention of 9/11! In this regard our only concern with 9/11 is when the inquiries slide into incubators for hate (i.e. “This fake Hamas soldier wearing a "Star of David" is as much a Zionist as the 9-11 terrorists Chertoff covers for. Chertoff is the son of a terrorist himself. Don't let him off the hook!”).

Finally, in my recommendations, I never urged any type of censorship. In fact, I specifically state that (#5) that any steps taken in regard to the Internet must be done legally, and over the course of a decade in dealing with this issue I have consistently stressed that the First Amendment must be maintained in the virtual as well as the real world. I have even argued that in conferences in Europe when attempts were being made to impose international controls on the Internet, saying, as I did last year in Berlin that we should “avoid getting bogged down in a useless debate on the First Amendment” because we (in the US) are not going to erase it, nor should we.

Please feel free to share this with any interested parties.

Sincerely,

Mark Weitzman

Double post deleted

It appears that the efforts of the wiesenthalers are bearing fruit. I use Net Nanny (now "Content Watch") at home, primarily to keep my kids from stumbling across porn. As a side-effect, occasionally Net Nanny also blocks other objectionable material, such as so-called "Hate" sites. Well, I've been visiting 911blogger.com for years with Net Nanny enabled and it was never blocked. However, today (11.25.07) was the first day that this site was blocked because it is now classified under Net Nanny's category called "Hate and Violence".

WTF ????

We are seeing censorship in action, albeit a very lame and feeble attempt. Maybe Net Nanny and the SWC should start a new category called "Truth" and start blocking that.

There are lots of actual conspiracy theory nuts among the ranks of 911 truthers, believers in things like the Illuminati, the New World Order, reptilians, etc. and among them are plenty of anti-Semites as well. In fact these people rightly make some Jews afraid that this is an effort to blame them for an act of treason against the U.S., and so organizations like the Wiesenthal Center are opposing the 9/11 truth movement. You can find plenty of these anti-Semites posting on places like the Alex Jones site. But there is nothing the least bit anti-Semitic on ae911truth.org or visibility911.com, and 911blogger, I am happy to see, is making strong efforts to keep them away. I have frequently had to tell Jewish friends who know that I am anything but anti-Semitic that in my view that 9/11 has nothing to do with Jews or Israel or Zionism. It is a hard sell, though.