Bush Admin's Katrina LIHOP - Knew For Hours that levees had Broken, Didn't Tell

From GregPalast.com,

Expert Fired
Who Warned Levees Would Burst
Hurricane George, Four Years Later

On the night of August 29, 2005, van Heerden was shut in at the state emergency center in Baton Rouge, providing technical advice to the rescue effort. As Hurricane Katrina came ashore, van Heerden and the State Police there were high-fiving it: Katrina missed the city of New Orleans, turning east.

What they did not know was that the levees had cracked. For crucial hours, the White House knew, but withheld the information that the levees of New Orleans had broken and that the city was about to drown. Bush's boys did not notify the State of the flood to come which would have allowed police to launch an emergency hunt for the thousands that remained stranded.

"Fifteen hundred people drowned. That's the bottom line," said van Heerden.

To add insult to injury,

And it marks the end of Dr. van Heerden's career at LSU. They got him. Once the network cameras were turned away from New Orleans, as America and Anderson Cooper shifted attention to Brad and Angelina and other news, the University put an end to Dr. van Heerden. "In 2006 they started the nonsense - they stopped me from teaching. They tried last year to get faculty to vote me out."

His contract was not renewed; he was forced out too, dumped along with the chief of the Hurricane Center who led the academics who supported van Heerden's research.

Recall that a lot of people dismissed the 911 LIHOP by claiming incompetence, as exemplified at Katrina. However, the Katrina LIHOP raises the possibilities that a) the Bush admin was even more incompetent than the Bush Admin apologists had suggested or b) the Katrina LIHOP was deliberately undertaken so as to make the 911 LIHOP more plausible.

Considering the Obama administrations penchant for doing nothing of substance to bring about accountability of the Bushies, my guess is that we will never get an explanation of just why there was the Katrina delay.


BTW, I'm not 100% sure about van Heerden's current status, or that of the chief of the Hurricane Center who also got dumped for supporting him, but if they are still not employed in their field, and anybody can hook them up with a job in their field, PLEASE DO SO.

Also, you can see GaryNull.org for an archive of today's show, where he talked about this report.

The Second 9/11

This is old news, but good to see again!

For those of you who didn't get to see Aaron Broussard (Jefferson Parish President) on September 5, 2005 being interviewed on Meet the Press, take a look at the YouTube video link below. Fast forward to 3:10 minutes where Broussard says that FEMA officers were cutting down the communication lines days after Katrina blew over:


Also, several months after Katrina hit the National Hurricane Center affirmed that Category 1 -2 winds (74-110 mph) swept over New Orleans, NOT Category 4 or 5 winds:


In other words, all the reports we were getting from persons living near the levee system that the levee was blown up are true!

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

I don't see where Palast is claiming levees were "blown up"

Also, covering up is one thing, pre-meditated negligence is another.


Palast No Friend To 9/11 Truth Or What Really Happened In LA

That is because Palast didn't! Palast is a shill who defamed Dr. Steven Jones and the 9/11 Truth Movement. He called us "fruitcakes":


It was FEMA officers who CUT the communication lines! FEMA did that, and it was the media that covereed up. Didn't you watch the YouTube video? Broussard says that FEMA sabotaged the communication lines and Tim Russert ignores that bomb shell and goes on to ask the next question!

The reports that bombs took out the levee system were even reported by some in the media, but disparaged.

Government officials at the time were worried that the levee system would not survive a Category 4 hurricane. There was NEVER any question that the levee system couldn't cope with Category 1 - 2 hurricanes!

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

Palast apologized

Greg Palast apologizes to Dr. Steven Jones: "An apology and hope for reasoned discourse"


Where's The Discourse?

SnowCrash, Palast apologized AFTER Dr. Steven Jones threatened legal action!

To date, there has been no outreach for "reasoned discourse" from Palast.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC


and that's a shame, because he has done excellent research on election fraud.

I've met a lot of obtuse people with mental blockades, and I've come to accept that some people are mentally incapable to wrap their head around 9/11.

So, I understand what you're saying, but we musn't underestimate the psychological disaster that is coming to terms with the Big Lie.

Psychology is the most important aspect of 9/11 truth, especially mass psychology.

Persona Non Grata

SnowCrash, I agree Palast has done good work on election fraud here in America (that is, on assignment here in the United states; Palast is an expatriate who lives in the UK), but it isn't a mental block that keeps him from reporting the truth on 9/11. Remember, he does work for the BBC, so if he came out of the closet on 9/11 he would be persona non grata in the UK.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

Mayor Nagin

Mayor Nagin was on the news right after Katrina saying the military had over 100,000 meals at a base nearby that they never delivered to the Superdome. His tone was that he understood the federal government had deliberately withheld these meals. The video of this disappeared. Perhaps Dean still has a record of this pathetic admission.

United States Navy To The Rescue Was Called Off

marzi, I remember that too! But it wasn't a military base, it was a United States Naval ship that was following Katrina. I read this, so the written account should still be somewhere on the Internet.

I found a source! The Naval ship was the USS Bataan. See pages 119 - 121 below:


Mayor Nagin also said he was going to be killed by the Bush administration due to Nagin's early criticism of FEMA.

Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
Washington, DC

The Sheriff of Herndon, VA

The Sheriff of Herndon, VA set out to go to LA. He was friends with the man from the Jefferson Parish who cried on TV because no one was helping. The Sheriff took a fire truck and an ambulance and a truck with supplies and was stopped on 81 in downstate Virginia by the police and told to return, he would not be allowed in. So he never got to help his friend. All his friend knew was that no one showed up to help as promised. He was desperate.

Hurricane Bush. The Bush White House let those people go to bed thinking they had missed the big one only to wake up in a river, some completely under water. Mission accomplished again.

911 Truth Ends 911 Wars


Are terms that should be abandoned by this movement.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Agree. The acronyms are

Agree. The acronyms are ridiculous to begin with.

For those...

Who want to appear holier than thou, they proclaim themselves to be "MIHOPPERS," and anyone who doesn't agree with what they're saying become "LIHOPPERS." You are a "LIHOPPER." To me, it's no different than saying, "You are a kike (or an @sshole, etc...)."

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Well, I'm a LI-MI-HOPPER

and proud of it. :-) And I think that the Constitution allows anybody to be any kind of HOPPER they want - LIHOPPER, MIHOPPER, GRASSHOPPER, or NOHOPPER. Or even a LI-MI-HOPPER.

But seriously, who cares about the "holier than thou" types?


I'm talking in terms of...

Any "unity" this movement hopes to achieve. And you would care about the "holier than thou" types if they attacked you as much as they attack me. ;)

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?





I've long felt that "911 was an inside job" is a terrible way to reach the public, and should be abandoned. I also think that the most likely scenario that actually occurred is LIHOP + MIHOP.

But what is it about LIHOP and MIHOP that bothers you?



"Make It Happen On Purpose"? Just sounds silly to me.

I also don't like...

"9/11 was an inside job... (even though it is my current bumper sticker... I lost my other one)"

The only bumper stickers I've ever had were "Bush Knew" from FTW... a black and bright yellow knockout... then "9/11 Is An Inside Job..." then "Support A New Investigation" which was a bright green bumper sticker that I liked...

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Some people in the movement (EOG's/Tarpley)

object to the slogan "Bush knew". I certainly don't. As a matter of fact, I think it's an understatement.

I also have a magnet that says...

Bring the troops home now! Betsy's car is the best.

Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Just a term.

"9/11 was an inside job" doesn't need to be a definitive statement but it sure as hell is a good conversation starter.
It's like saying "Jref'ers suck" when in fact there may be a few who don't:-0
Why get hung up on terminology and and designations? They are irrelevant.

Because I "hijacked"...

This thread, I'm going to do a Katrina archive, and post it here.

Edit: Over the weekend...

Edit: Ok... there are about 10 more pages to go, and this is only 7... I'll finish it some other time.

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Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?