Civil Disobedience for 9/11 Justice at Downing Street - 26/2/11
On Saturday 26th February, 2011, a group of individuals will perform civil disobedience outside the official residence of the British Prime Minister David Cameron at Downing Street, London.
We are demanding an end to the social, political and cultural injustices of the post-9/11 world. We are calling for justice for those who lost their lives on 9/11. Justice for the families and friends who continue to see their loved ones names used to justify so many atrocities. Justice for the victims of torture and rendition. Justice for those from muslim and non-white communities who have been subject to discrimination. Justice for the victims of the 9/11 wars.
If you want to join us, please do.
More information about this action such as where to meet, what to bring, what to expect etc can be found via this Facebook Event
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Inspiring....
This is only the beginning. We the People will soon be doing this across the world more and more often. The Truth is snowballing, and it will not stop. I cannot wait for the coming years, lets all stay positive and peaceful. 9/11 Truth will win.
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These two organizations represent the best opportunity for creating wider public support for Truth efforts and a new 9/11 investigation.
I'm beginning to think...
That your advocacy against civil disobedience is an excellent sign that that is EXACTLY what we should be doing. I mean seriously... who are you? Every civil disobedience thread has a comment or two from you about why we shouldn't do it. Do you see me go into NYCCAN threads saying no, you shouldn't support this, and instead, should commit civil disobedience? No. So who are you?
Edit: Another indication of a good action is when the "powers that be" take an interest in it, and you.
Part of civil disobedience has to do with showing the "powers that be" that we are NOT afraid of them.
Who is Aidan Monaghan?
Aidan Monaghan is the premier FOIA specialist in the 911Truth movement. Jon, as a great researcher yourself, you should know that. I am a terrible researcher. I'm an organizer. I plead with people to do specific tasks.
If you watch the weekly forum at http://www.gandhitopia.org, you will find that besides the fact that no one seems open to 911 truth evidence, almost no one makes personal criticism of others who post. While Aidan and Jon are both restrained and never vicious like so many truth activists, Jon's comment to Aidan included a personal level criticism. Aidan's comment was a criticism, but was not a personal attack.
Aidan, Jon's point about confronting fear is quite valuable. Many people do not examine the evidence because of lack of courage.
Sent to me on youtube by Aidan Monaghan...
"You're that guy who swears 9/11 was an Inside Job and then attacks evidence supporting that view.
It would be closer to the truth to say that you are most concerned with promoting yourself as some great leader of the Truth cause and resent others who don't accept you as their leader. You are not taken seriously by most.
You also seem like an attention seeking 9/11 "groupie" for lack of a better term, who tries to befriend prominent members of the cause and then later boast of your very loose connections to these people.
Do the cause a favor and find another hobby please."
He has been consistently going into every civil disobedience thread to denounce them. He left a comment on a youtube video of me doing my action that said, "What was the purpose of this act? To raise 9/11 awareness or raise the personal profile of the participant?"
He sent me another message on youtube after my action that said, "All of your internet activity seems centered on promoting Jon Gold, not 9/11 awareness.
Your encore arrest was viewed by almost no one for the second time.
You are not Cindy Sheehan.
I hope you are finished staging self promoting stunts that do nothing to raise 9/11 awareness."
Maybe you should get your facts straight before you accuse me of a "personal level criticism." Thanks.
Edit: By the way Aidan, what seems like "self-promotion" to you, stems from years of being burned by pushing other people's information that turned out to be faulty. You know, like CIT. Which you endorsed. So, I stick to pushing what I trust. Which, outside of myself, are VERY FEW unfortunately.
maybe
all the people who did the sit down protests with Ghandi were simply ego maniacs....
good job these ego maniacs purged their country of the British whatever their original narcissistic intent :o)
those 2 options are already
being done
civ dis is another thing that can be done
there are many things that can be done
i support people who do some things different to me as the end goal is the same- promote public awareness, promote elite awareness that we demand an investigation
Good luck...
Gareth. Let me know if you need anything.
Civil disobedience is much
Civil disobedience is much more effective when it's in demonstration of a pressing current event, such as, for example, a political prisoner, a genocide, or serious polluting event.
Although we find the stonewalling of 9/11 issues frustrating, it is not a pressing issue for most people and, having these kinds of demonstrations, where, in fact, nothing of great substance is communicated to the general public (being simply a demonstrator or two quietly removed by police), I think wears the issue too thin, and when we really do need the public's attention - that is, those times when we do have the arena - they will tune out because they've seen so many generic "9/11 Truth" demonstrations without really knowing what it is that's trying to be communicated.
Much better to organize a teach-in or a table in your university or local park where factual and graphic information about the impossible explanations of 9/11 are laid out and you can explain to people what your/our position is.
But doing the kinds of actions you're doing, out of some generalized, vague notion of "raising awareness" (about WHAT exactly??) is potentially harming other communication efforts, and is most likely causing a kind of issue deafness in the public whose audience you seek.
Please, use your energy and talents more productively.
About what exactly?
How about...
You have no idea the amount of people that contacted me to thank me, and I'm sure contacted Gareth to thank him after the first actions. Ray McGovern's recent action inspired me. It was the veterans that inspired me to do the first act of civil disobedience at the White House. Good actions inspire others to act.
Jon,
I guess my point is, HOW are you able to communicate this message - that we were lied to about 9/11 - while sitting in front of a government fence and then being pulled off by police? What specific information are you able to communicate in this action, and how? Are you making a speech while you're sitting there? Are you able to tell people in what ways they've been lied to? Are you able to have a discussion with someone that you wouldn't be able to do by setting up a table or organizing a speaker?
The specific intent of these actions is not clear.
Was I able to communicate
Was I able to communicate information to people? Was I able to tell people certain ways we were lied to? I spoke to the police officer who drove me in. He worked on the pile. There was someone who showed up to support me that I spoke to.
Civil disobedience actions
Civil disobedience actions create a dynamic where your voice, whatever information it is you want to communicate, necessarily gets squelched -- because you set it up that way, seemingly for dramatic effect. It's a bit disingenuous though, since you have many other legal avenues through which to express your opinions and communicate to a wider audience.
I don't want to overstate the matter, and I'm willing to entertain the idea that I simply don't understand this, but it seems to me these actions, for what they accomplish, involve unnecessary drama and unnecessarily elicit an accusation of "censorship", when really you are perfectly free to communicate your ideas (and be censored for real!) in many other ways.
So basically what it comes down to...
Is me saying actions like this help to inspire people, and you don't think they do. I disagree.
the snowballing effect
has to start with a snowflake
if we ponder and ponder that the snowflake will be ineffectual then it will melt before the pondering is done and probably in the hot air of the ponderer
I gotta agree
what good are symbolic gestures of civil disobedience?
a total waste of time!
you know who were also good at wasting time with empty symbolic acts? Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King.
slackers. what did THEY ever accomplish??
but serious... i could easily give you a lecture from History 101 that outlines for you WHY acts of civil disobedience often speak louder than words. I can also lecture you about the brave heroes who put their lives and personal safety at risk - just to make sure that YOU retain YOUR rights to protest. And lastly - i COULD ask you to consider what an impact it would have if ALL of us did as Jon Gold and our brothers in London have done - if we were not too cowardly to do so.
All I know is that when NYCCAN was about a ballot initiative, few people on Earth promoted it as much as Jon Gold did, or participated in as much as Jon Gold did, or got people like Peter Dale Scott, and Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer to endorse it,... like Jon Gold did.
and for the record - so did I:
http://911blogger.com/node/20716
I am always disturbed when I see the efforts like Jon's being undercut by so-called 9/11 Truth activists who seek to divide us - and create a crisis of faith among us where we feel pressured to choose between competing camps of ideas and actions.
shame on you
Thanks...
John. When the ballot initiative was defeated and NYCCAN went to Controlled Demolition, we went our separate ways (which is consistent for me), and I joined Cindy with Peace of the Action, but I still support them when they ask for help.
I made a movie to support Gareth...