It is about time that someone tries to ignite paint chips, but I do not see any flames. Is it still possible that the WTC primer is the same material as the chips researched by Harrit, even if it does not ignite?
He was paid to submit samples to a lab so that they do the testing. It's beyond time for him to do that. I was on a call with him in 2011 when he outlined the lab tests for either conventional explosives or nanothermite that could be done with several thousand in funds.
A new paper will eventually raise a lot of eyebrows while the opposition is dead in the water. It would be really nice to have results from Mark Basile by the end of the year. Those who tried to get Millette to publish a paper against the Harrit nanothermite paper have given up on trying to get it published.
At least it is still on going. I can understand it is part time. I understand precautions as well, like not publishing the lab name until the results are in. Sending chips in the mail is also not assured. I might be mistaken, but didn't Kevin Ryan or Dr. Jones have mail tampered with sending chips? There should be precautions taken because we have so precious few samples. I applaud Mr Basile's courage in this undertaking. The truth will win out either way.
Simon, how do you know what the results will be if no lab work has yet been done? Do you have any words from Mark himself? If yes, how was this communicated to you?
Since so far no spending of funds has been accounted for, I presume that no funds have in fact been spent, and this can only mean that Mark has no results from any laboratory.
Corret me if I am wrong, please!
Or else, Mark has quietly dropped his promise to account monthly and publicly once begin to be spent.
This is about independent lab results that hopefully confirm the Harrit paper. To his credit, Mark Basille has already verified nanothermite in the dust independently. This would be a 3rd leg. The Harrit study, Basile and an independent lab. Millete did not publish and did not subject chips to a DSM for ignition. Maybe I'm just impatient. Sorry about that. I do have confidence in Mark. Of course, the media won't cover the story even if you have a scientific study published in a journal and peer-reviewed + independent confirmation by a chemical engineer + lab results. At some point, we must have legal action. Dust tests, lawsuits, sim tests. And then more lawsuits.
It's difficult to understand why he is still working on this. Last August - 10 months ago - he had reported that he was about to wrap up the process of extracting red-gray chips from his dust samples, and that the next step would be to select "suitable" chips for testing. He had written then that thiswould be finished within a month. After that, all he needs to do is stuff chips in an envelop and mail them off to a lab. He should get full results within less than 2 weeks then.
We all understand that sometimes other priorities arise in life, but he could at least have issued another brief progress report at markbasile.org.
and still, the only update we have is "I'm working on it". Well another year and more has passed. No updates, no lab chosen. What exactly is he working on and what exactly is the hold up? The shelf life of the red chips has to be waning fast if there is one. I'm unsure of that aspect, but I believe I've read the potency of the chips deteriorates over time.
If there are other mitigating factors outside of the technical aspect such as the quality of the chips, amount of chips needed to be tested (waiting on more samples), threats or coercion (no one is asking him to risk his or his family's safety), then update us and drop the project. Donate the funds to Architects and Engineers and move on. At least post a bank statement that the funds are still available. Frankly and sadly, we are left to conclude that the funds were never used for purpose intended. This makes donating for other projects for research, such as http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/, even more difficult since no one will trust that their donation will be used for the purposes stated.
To be fair, the http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/, was also poorly communicated. There was one update, some videos, and short of the briefing given at last years conference in NYC, we've gotten no updates, no release of project data (except the one time previously mentioned), nothing. The website says "Follow", "Give Input", go ahead and try, you'll never hear from. I never gotten any responses to my questions or input. They took my donation pretty regularly however which I'll never bitch about the money. I don't care about the money. It's about integrity and following up promises made which seems to run in very very short supply.
Mark Basile has been doing more work, and his Raman spectroscopy report is on the way. This data will be comparable to the FTIR data in the Millette preliminary report.
Do you know if Mark has subjected any samples to labs yet for testing? His 5 K fundraiser was achieved in Aug. of 2014. I haven't heard anything from AE about any results, so I assume it's still dragging on. Check out the pdf and links. http://www.markbasile.org/
Fingerprints in the dust
http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/World_Trade_Center_Dust_Microspheres
Finally!
It is about time that someone tries to ignite paint chips, but I do not see any flames. Is it still possible that the WTC primer is the same material as the chips researched by Harrit, even if it does not ignite?
New Version of Video with Added Audio
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Is there activity with this? Anyone know? One update last August '14. Was an independent lab able to be chosen? anything? aborted?
just curious..
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Still on
Mark Basile is still working on this in his spare time and there may be another update on the way.
Time's up
He was paid to submit samples to a lab so that they do the testing. It's beyond time for him to do that. I was on a call with him in 2011 when he outlined the lab tests for either conventional explosives or nanothermite that could be done with several thousand in funds.
Worth the wait
A new paper will eventually raise a lot of eyebrows while the opposition is dead in the water. It would be really nice to have results from Mark Basile by the end of the year. Those who tried to get Millette to publish a paper against the Harrit nanothermite paper have given up on trying to get it published.
Thanks Simon
At least it is still on going. I can understand it is part time. I understand precautions as well, like not publishing the lab name until the results are in. Sending chips in the mail is also not assured. I might be mistaken, but didn't Kevin Ryan or Dr. Jones have mail tampered with sending chips? There should be precautions taken because we have so precious few samples. I applaud Mr Basile's courage in this undertaking. The truth will win out either way.
together for truth
thx
dan
Simon, how do you know what
Simon, how do you know what the results will be if no lab work has yet been done? Do you have any words from Mark himself? If yes, how was this communicated to you?
In his latest report, August 2014, Mark had written:
http://aneta.org/markbasile_org/study/mark_basile_project_status_august_2014.pdf
"Once funds begin to be spent monthly accountings will be made, no funds have been spent and all will be accounted for publicly."
(My bolding)
Since so far no spending of funds has been accounted for, I presume that no funds have in fact been spent, and this can only mean that Mark has no results from any laboratory.
Corret me if I am wrong, please!
Or else, Mark has quietly dropped his promise to account monthly and publicly once begin to be spent.
Yes indeed. A lot of people
Yes indeed. A lot of people are eager to see the results. I've been keeping an eye out for updates ever since the funds had been achieved.
Haste makes waste . This one will be worth the wait.
Lab results
This is about independent lab results that hopefully confirm the Harrit paper. To his credit, Mark Basille has already verified nanothermite in the dust independently. This would be a 3rd leg. The Harrit study, Basile and an independent lab. Millete did not publish and did not subject chips to a DSM for ignition. Maybe I'm just impatient. Sorry about that. I do have confidence in Mark. Of course, the media won't cover the story even if you have a scientific study published in a journal and peer-reviewed + independent confirmation by a chemical engineer + lab results. At some point, we must have legal action. Dust tests, lawsuits, sim tests. And then more lawsuits.
It's difficult to understand
It's difficult to understand why he is still working on this. Last August - 10 months ago - he had reported that he was about to wrap up the process of extracting red-gray chips from his dust samples, and that the next step would be to select "suitable" chips for testing. He had written then that thiswould be finished within a month. After that, all he needs to do is stuff chips in an envelop and mail them off to a lab. He should get full results within less than 2 weeks then.
We all understand that sometimes other priorities arise in life, but he could at least have issued another brief progress report at markbasile.org.
Time marches on
and still, the only update we have is "I'm working on it". Well another year and more has passed. No updates, no lab chosen. What exactly is he working on and what exactly is the hold up? The shelf life of the red chips has to be waning fast if there is one. I'm unsure of that aspect, but I believe I've read the potency of the chips deteriorates over time.
If there are other mitigating factors outside of the technical aspect such as the quality of the chips, amount of chips needed to be tested (waiting on more samples), threats or coercion (no one is asking him to risk his or his family's safety), then update us and drop the project. Donate the funds to Architects and Engineers and move on. At least post a bank statement that the funds are still available. Frankly and sadly, we are left to conclude that the funds were never used for purpose intended. This makes donating for other projects for research, such as http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/, even more difficult since no one will trust that their donation will be used for the purposes stated.
To be fair, the http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/, was also poorly communicated. There was one update, some videos, and short of the briefing given at last years conference in NYC, we've gotten no updates, no release of project data (except the one time previously mentioned), nothing. The website says "Follow", "Give Input", go ahead and try, you'll never hear from. I never gotten any responses to my questions or input. They took my donation pretty regularly however which I'll never bitch about the money. I don't care about the money. It's about integrity and following up promises made which seems to run in very very short supply.
Just my two cents for what it's worth.
Basile
Mark Basile is still working on this and you may well get an answer to some of your questions this September: http://911debunkers.blogspot.ca/2017...ming-soon.html
December has arrived
still waiting zzzzzzzzzz.... no updates, not even one little blurb.. just took the money and ran
soon
Some news are coming soon. Comments like "took the money and ran" are just silly.
Feb 2018 update
Mark Basile has been doing more work, and his Raman spectroscopy report is on the way. This data will be comparable to the FTIR data in the Millette preliminary report.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2018/02/mark-basile-update-raman-spectroscopy.html
"Look for our next update in April 2018, and news about the promised independent tests. "
What's the latest?
Do you know if Mark has subjected any samples to labs yet for testing? His 5 K fundraiser was achieved in Aug. of 2014. I haven't heard anything from AE about any results, so I assume it's still dragging on. Check out the pdf and links. http://www.markbasile.org/
Lab work begins this fall
Something has delayed Basile for a year but tests begin within weeks.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2015/08/mark-basile-redgray-chip-study-back-on.html
Patent?
1996 patent for thermite building demolition device - designed to minimize sound and residue.
Power Requirements?
This looks pretty complicated.
How long does this process take?
What area of floor can it consume?
How much juice is required?
Surely every WTC Acre would require many of these machines working simultaneously.
A quick search found a plasma torch patent referenced
US3740522 * Jun 19, 1973 Geotel Inc Plasma torch, and electrode means therefor
https://www.google.com/patents/US3740522
and this entry "...a power range between 40 and 50 kilowatts. "
OUCH!