9/11 Free Fall 2/26/15: Jeremy Sagan

Jeremy Sagan is a computer programmer, AE911Truth supporter, and the son of the late astronomer Carl Sagan and biologist Lynn Margulis, who appears in 9/11 Explosive Evidence, Experts Speak Out. He and Andy Steele discuss the 9/11 controlled demolition evidence, the work of both his parents, and the state of the media and government establishments as they try to cover up the facts surrounding of the 9/11 crime in New York.

More info on Lynn Margulis... 1938-2011


"She was an amazing scientist and a wonderful person," said Steve Goodwin, dean of the College of Natural Sciences at UMass Amherst. "Of course she was a different kind of scientist, one who does not come along very often. Her great gift was making connections, connections that others just couldn't make.

Lynn Margulis, ex-wife of Carl Sagan and evolutionary biologist, has passed away




*She earned an M.S. in genetics and zoology at the University of Wisconsin in 1960

sorry for being off topic but...

don't seem to ever have an open thread anymore.
But my question is why was this blocked on youtube?

Because it's blocked

Because 'this' is blocked, we can't see what it was. What was it?

not sure why blocked but found

the one it referred to. Sorry everyone for the distraction. I argue a sometimes with others on sites and seems no one else supports the cause except in the choir rooms. Attacks on Gage and others are hard to rebuke when support isn't found sometimes.

More Coverage of Jeremy Sagan to spread...

Son of Carl Sagan is a 9/11 truther: ‘It’s a cover up, basically’

In an interview with Internet broadcast 9/11 Free Fall, the son of the late Carl Sagan claimed that there is a massive conspiracy to “cover up” evidence that the collapse of the World Trade Center tower in 2001 was an inside a job.

Jeremy Sagan, the son of Sagan and his first wife, biologist Lynn Margulis, told Free Fall host Andrew Steele that he grew more suspicious about the collapse after watching video at a friend’s house, months after the attack that killed almost 2,700 people in New York City that day.

Sagan also referenced his late mother, Lynn Margulis, who was married to his father from 1957 to 1965, who told Scientists for 9/11 Truth that she felt the 9/11 Commission was “a fraud.”


The comments at rawstory and gizmodo graphically illustrate how utterly misinformed/disinformed a large portion of the American people are on the issue of the total "collapse" of WTC's buildings 1, 2 & 7 on 9/11. Some of the comments are surely trolls, but many more are people with staggering social and logical impairments -- it literally has the makings of an historic PhD dissertation for the one with the intelligence, determination and courage to write it.

But that is not what is prompting my response. What's prompting me is that it is clearly incumbant on our 9/11 truth community to show some creativity and to finance and construct a demonstration and experiment that will settle this issue of the controlled demolition of the towers once and for all, and for all to see.

Like most of you I am one of over 20,000 lay signers of ae911truth.org petition. Now realize that just $50 on a bet from each and every signer is a million dollars. And note that this is not a "contribution", no, it's a "bet" that we're reading the physics and the history of steel-framed construction correctly and that the name-calling defenders of the official story are not. What I'm suggesting is that we 'call them out' -- put up or shut up. And while this demonstration/experiment may look like gambling, it's not. It's a logical assessment of the probabilities that the collapses could happen as witnessed and later described in the NIST reports. Now, expand the participation pool beyond just the signers of the A & E petition -- indeed, world wide -- and we could be talking some real money (enough to construct and run the test). My thought is that the test might never have to be run as I believe the money flows would overwhelmingly fall in favor of controlled demolition just like in a football game where it's Alabama by 7 touchdowns -- does the game really need to be played against Boston Trade and Industrial Community College?

I'm not saying that this suggestion is necessarily the solution, but it's meant as an example of carrying the battle to the enemies of evidence based truth. A superbowl of Newton vs. NIST (and that "brilliant" fraud, Bazant, et al).

"Steel turns into spaghetti very quickly under heat"


GalaxyF • an hour ago

Not many people who aren't engineers know that when it comes to fire steel is actually worse than wood. Steel turns into spaghetti very quickly under heat. It's one of the very well known weak qualities of the steel material, that's why it's often combined with other materials (concrete) or special paints. What happened during 9/11 is not at all bizarre, at least to people who do that for a living."


Spoken by someone who obviously does not do that for a living. He's using the old technique of "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit.

Now I've heard it all

'...when it comes to fire, steel is actually worse than wood'--Someone actually said that?!

Yes, and how stupid the construction industry has been all this time--making skyscrapers out of steel instead of wood!

Now I think I'll just load some bits of steel into my wooden stove, find a match, and settle in for a nice cozy evening.

"Spoken by someone who obviously does not do that for a living."

but writing this bullshit may be lucrative!

Joe, You said it!! Make $$$ with bullshit comments.

Here are a few examples of making money with bullshit comments on articles and social media.

GREAT MENU here...
Take your pick. Choose the most devious "gun for hire". FACES of people for hire. Trolls, astroturfers, sock puppets, and more.

Other examples:
Job Opportunities are abundant: “Paid to comment”, “Paid to Blog”, “Paid to ‘Like’”, “Facebook Liking”, etc. (Many more than what is listed below, if a person searches)
Pay2Youtube http://paid2youtube.com/
...a “paid post”, such as these 20 places which pay for ‘so-called articles’…

Here DCI Group, which once represented tobacco, and now represents (net neutrality opponents) e.g. Verizon, Exxon, and other Mega-Coorporations seems to be tied to Politic365. One of the many actions which Politic365 has done besides infiltrate comment sections on articles and pose a shill to radio shows has been to take huge checks from telecom giants to mobilize African American and Latino support for industry priorities, like opposing net neutrality or supporting corporate media mergers.
This article talks about the “TROLLS”…

The Washington Post has an article about how Russia possibly hires Trolls.

Here Samsung is fined $350,000 for employing an army of commenters for astroturfing and ridiculing competing products.

China employed about 300,000 “professional web commentators” to boost The Communist Party and shape public opinion.
According to this BBC News Article, China has about 2 million government employed people who monitor online activity, sometimes censoring social media, etc.

This story talks about a Defense Contractor with ties to the DOD, CIA, NSA, etc.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-All (By the way, a link is provided on how a person can apply for a job doing “sockpuppeting”)
Here are some QUOTES:
“Persona management entails not just the deconfliction of persona artifacts such as names, email addresses, landing pages, and associated content. It also requires providing the human actors technology that takes the decision process out of the loop when using a specific persona. For this purpose we custom developed either virtual machines or thumb drives for each persona. This allowed the human actor to open a virtual machine or thumb drive with an associated persona and have all the appropriate email accounts, associations, web pages, social media accounts, etc. pre-established and configured with visual cues to remind the actor which persona he/she is using so as not to accidentally cross-contaminate personas during use.”
“To build this capability we will create a set of personas on twitter,‭ ‬blogs,‭ ‬forums,‭ ‬buzz,‭ ‬and myspace under created names that fit the profile‭ (‬satellitejockey,‭ ‬hack3rman,‭ ‬etc‭)‬.‭ ‬These accounts are maintained and updated automatically through RSS feeds,‭ ‬retweets,‭ ‬and linking together social media commenting between platforms.‭ ‬With a pool of these accounts to choose from,‭ ‬once you have a real name persona you create a Facebook and LinkedIn account using the given name,‭ ‬lock those accounts down and link these accounts to a selected‭ ‬#‭ ‬of previously created social media accounts,‭ ‬automatically pre-aging the real accounts.”‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬
“Using the assigned social media accounts we can automate the posting of content that is relevant to the persona. In this case there are specific social media strategy website RSS feeds we can subscribe to and then repost content on twitter with the appropriate hashtags. In fact using hashtags and gaming some location based check-in services we can make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/herself to key individuals as part of the exercise, as one example. There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas.”

In New York alone, recently, the New York attorney general shut down 19 companies engaged in the astroturfing of online sites like Yelp, Google Local and CitySearch.
Commenters were recruited on sites like Craigslist, Freelancer and oDesk and paid between $1 and $10 per "review."
EXAMPLE: An estimated more than 16% of restaurant reviews on YELP are false.
Fake online reviews, or “astroturfing,”
“…fake consumer reviews on websites such as Yelp (YELP), Google Local (GOOG), and CitySearch (IACI).” Some of the companies were using IP-spoofing techniques to conceal their identities, and paying writers “from as far away as the Philippines, Bangladesh and Eastern Europe for $1 to $10 per review….”

A new book by NPR's David Folkenflik, called Murdoch's World, claims that Fox News engaged in "institutionalized astroturfing of the Internet" by using Fox employees using untraceable wireless connections to post pro-Fox posts online. One even used a dial-up AOL account. Another used 100 fake personas, according to the book.

It is not a stretch to think that a Government or Corporation or Association or “Agenda Group” (such as lobbyists) could, and do, hire outside firms, such as Advertising or PR Firms, who perhaps in-turn hire other firms or people to promote an agenda.

joe, dtg88, rm et al

Yes, these trolling comments are ludicrous. We are an intelligent community blessed with many fine investigators, but I think it's time to maneuver these enemies of truth and evidence into a corner of "put up, or shut up". As a community we should be able to figure out a way to do this. Something like 'a million dollar (or more) prize to anyone who can design and build a fire proofed, steel framed high rise model structure that has, a) 81 support columns and 40 + floors, b) has a design residual strength factor of 3+, c) is consistent with standard high rise design standards and methods and d) can be made to totally collapse in a symetrical manner at free fall acceleration for over 2 seconds by fire alone.' Then send that to every engineering program in every university in America and around the world. Then, every time we encounter these ridiculous statements we can point them to a website describing the challenge and say "You think you know, then go collect the prize, or SHUT THE HELL UP".

I'll donate $50 to that. (o;

I'll donate $50 to that. (o;

Suing NIST

AE911Truth should sue NIST for their WTC 7 computer models on the grounds that withholding the data jeopardizes public safety. After all, NIST alleges the existence of a new phenomenon in which fires can take down skyscrapers-- and building professionals need to know the details.


excellent idea! why haven't they yet?

Niels Harrit

Update on Niels Harrit's legal defamation lawsuit in Denmark: