9/11 Truth infiltrate Bill Maher Show
greenback Sat, 10/20/2007 - 6:47am
9/11 Truth infiltrate Bill Maher Show
Bill Maher is too much of a chickensh!t to debate 9/11 Truthers like Richard Gate on his show. What is he afraid of? The truth?
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Bill Maher confronted gain – but is this the right approach?
I sympathise with the guys who confronted Bill Maher here and can totally understand their frustration. But, should there be a debate about the way we should conduct ourselves when protesting venues like this?
Is attacking people like Bill Maher the most constructive approach? Or does it actually prompt a counterproductive divisive and defensive response from anyone on the receiving end of it? Could a more coolheaded and civil way of protesting be infinitely more effective? I think there should be a debate on this, but kudos to these guys anyway for at least finding the guts to stand up and tolerate all the ridicule;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08bE7L5yHrM
Cowardice like Cockroaches are always afraid of being seen
Bill Maher is a fracking Coward.
The look on Chris Mathews face, that smug son of a bitch.
Thousands were killed during the 911 HOAX and this piece of shit Bill Maher with an ill-shaped overgrown genectically malformed head shouts "i'm gonna kick your ass" ?
Dude, you couldn't take out a cheeseburger.
Cowards are like cockroaches.
They never like being seen.
911 HOAX.
Building 7: http://www.wtc7.net/
...AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
I must admit that when I first heard about this event, I was wondering if it might be counter-productive. Thankfully those feelings were short-lived.
Bill Maher threw down the gauntlet when he attacked our movement. He needs to be answered….EVERY DAY. And I hope wearechange has committed to do just that….make this a daily occurrence on his show.
We have been backed into a corner, and like the proverbial scorpion, the world needs to feel our sting. The left wing politicos have betrayed our country in this matter. The corporate media has betrayed our country. What recourse do we have? Civil disobedience? By any means necessary? We can debate this issue in our ranks, but remember, as we do so, the neo-con machine continues its goosestep toward fascism, and we cannot let that happen. Our very lives are at stake.
Some of you feel these tactics will piss off the general public and force our movement underground. Let’s face it, we are already underground, thanks to the fascist machinations of our domestic enemies.
I would like to suggest an alternate possible scenario: we start shouting as loud as we can, as often as we can and in as many venues as we can. Yes, many of our fellow Americans, whose lives and freedoms we are also fighting for, will be very pissed off. And as the subject begins to emerge into the light of day, even those who violently oppose us will begin to demand rational debates, just to shut the loonies up. But that won’t be the end result. For as we all know, as the facts are revealed, so is the truth. That is the path that lead every one of us to our awareness on this issue.
I say we have no other recourse. Time is of the essence.
zonk
I wholeheartedly agree with you. And I do think that non-violent physical resistance (civil disobedience if you will) is an inevitable next step. In fact it should already be in the planning stages by now.
FURTHERMORE.......
Furthermore, I would like to suggest that the next Bill Maher strike play out in the following fashion:
A dozen of our people rise as one and start chanting “building #7, building #7”. The Real Time goons cant be in a dozen places at once, and this will surely shut down Maher’s live show for several minutes, not just a few seconds at a time. If this happens on a regular basis, the show will have no other recourse than to go to tape, and that too will be national news.
One added plus that we will all love to see: Bill just might try to assist the goons, as he pretended to do this time, and get his ass thoroughly whupped.
I would pay to see that.
Great Idea Zonk !!
Great Idea Man !!
Very well said zonk!
Worrying about whether it's the right tactic is what got us here six years after. Soon it will be seven, then eight and on and on. We need answers today! A complete and independant investigation now!
Accept nothing less is my opinion.
What works, what doesn't and why...
Yikes!~ I don't know if this is in our favor? I mean the audience wasn't very sympathetic, whatever airs is not particularly sympathetic. Protesters in the audience who questioned what happened to WTC7 are called 'nut cases' and there isn't any debate. The studio audience laughs. Hmmmm. How does this promote a discussion? How does it promote debate? I'm in favor of civil disobedience when it clearly achieves something, but otherwise it is not advisable. I liked LA's video response--that was brilliant and viewed by lots of people hopefully. Now THAT is effective. It is a rebuttal and explains and entertains. Ask the question: do you feel that the actions of the protesters at this show created a climate for debate? Did they get to present an argument? How does this open people's minds who don't know anything about this issue? If someone had actually been able to ask a question, that would be different. Think about how different it was for Meyer to get tasered for asking a series of on point questions! Now that was, in my view, more substantial and offered some content. In this case, the only content is 'wtc7'... and if you think that's enough, well, okay, maybe it is. But I personally don't think so.
btw...Nader on possible cancellation of elections
Nader on possible cancellation of elections
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA&mode=related&search
KEEP IT UP!
Bravo WeAreChangeLA! This was well-executed. I completely endorse civil disobedience and disruption where necessary-- and this was necessary. Maher got his just desserts. He attacked and ridiculed our movement and refuses to have any 9/11 Truhers on as guests to set the record straight. We must generate our own media. Publicity by any means short of physical violence.
It's called Civil Disobedience
And it has, as yet, until now, more or less, not become part of the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement.
It is a mainstay of the Animal Rights Movement, the Environmental Rights Movement, the Civil Rights Movement, the Anti-War Movements, and others.
It is known by other names, as forms, techniques, methods, etc., such as "civil disobedience", "non-cooperation", "peaceful resistance", "nonviolent resistance", "passive resistance", "non-violent direct action", and others.
It behooves people to know about it, although, in my experience, there will always be those who are against it, as well as other things, like simple protesting. (with accompanying excuses, like one person said to me once (an Animal Welfarist, which is typical), "I tried protesting once – it wasn't a lot of fun")
Some people are against it because it is "too radical", others use being against it as a way to justify their non-participation in it, for all of the many reasons why someone would not want to participate (embarrassment, shyness, lack of courage, insufficient level of commitment, etc.), and, like all things, there are a variety of issues involved and interconnected. (I never bad-mouth people who choose to not become involved in CD, and that tends to be a common reaction)
Throughout, however, there is always a common thread — performing all actions in a non-violent manner, which is of utmost importance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
and one of my favorites, which I still have not done, but know people who have: (and it does take 'guts')
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_saboteur
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
No
"Is attacking people like Bill Maher the most constructive approach? "
No. Attacking is a strong word. Second, the guy is a lefty charlatan. He is no different then Bill Oreily and these talking heads all hold some responsibility for allowing the 911 cover-up to continue.
Paxel Bill? I'm just glad the douche has been accurately accounted for and cataloged for his disgraceful comments about those who question the events of 911.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Bill is being a tool
Bill is concerned about dogs but can't seem to crack the door open for a discussion about the greatest hoax/robbery of an entire country in the history of the world.
Bill, if opening your eyes makes one a "nut", then I'm a coconut!
And . . . fuck off!
We're not attacking any individual here
We're attacking THE SYSTEM, not that little faggot with an attitude.
How very Jerry Lewis of
How very Jerry Lewis of you.
--
Truth Revolution: The Eleventh of Every Month
Bill Maher started this fight with his "new rules" attack...
9/11 truth will finish it. F U Maher! I'm on my way to L.A. too!
_______________________
"Cogito ergo sum"
“Bring ’em on!”
John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE
bonjour ,
Thanks for putting the record straight.! It is certainly clear that he has himself to blame for what is going to happen. Makes me think of soneone else who said “Bring ’em on!”.
Too bad you were voted down DBLS
It is a discussion-worthy concern, and those that voted you down don't understand that you don't mean to demean the movement. 9/11 Truth is ineffably important. Finding the right words, and venue to publicize them is of utmost importance. While it is frustrating to deal with a gatekeeping Left that has blacked out most issues concerning the Military-Industrial-Complex, from JFK forward, heckling Bill Maher is not going to bring any watershed opportunity to this movement. This movement is as important as the Civil Rights Movement and will need the same level of non-violent, vocal, in-yr-face defiance as that movement. Bill Maher is Archie Bunker. You don't attack Archie Bunker, you attack the system that celebrates, lionizes, and perpetuates Archie Bunker. Or Bill Maher. Or Amy Goodman. Unfortunately for this movement, Bill Maher will not align himself with this movement for the obvious reasons: it is professionally impractical, it is a political taboo, and his audience is as 'liberal' as Rush Limbaugh's is 'conservative. This thread has earned more comments than any I've seen on 9/11 Blogger in a LONG time. I think that's awesome - more people commenting means more people are on this site, means more people are researching and defying the 9/11 Big Lie. I don't know. I don't know if heckling Bill Maher is the answer. At the same time, let's keep the light shining for truth. Those that have never heard of 9/11 Truth (and there are still more that are unaware than those that are) might be turned on by Maher's incensed audience. Maher's 'Paxil' new rule was certainly a battlecry, and the People are responding. IN CONCLUSION, I agree with Bruce Lee in that there are most definitely better forums for the debate, while at the same time, there is no debate left - just the fight. I don't think heckling Bill Maher is the answer, but since it has come down to it, it certainly is exciting to know that his audience is being infiltrated by Truthers at every taping. It speaks to the growth of this movement, which is important.
Peace Out and let's keep the movement positive!
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
These few activist
just got more airtime, got more people talking about it, got far more people that are clueless about 9/11 to at least think about it than all 350,000+ of us protesters that walked around in circles where we were corralled like Sheeple and completely ignored by all Media in Washington DC.
Pretty damn effective far as I'm concerned and is exactly what we need WAY MORE of, we need to come out of the wood work everywhere, get on GMA in the background, get on the Today show, interrupt and heckle this asshole Maher every where he goes.
Make them phucking choke on it, prove to them in MASSIVE numbers that we are not some fringe group of just a few hundred but are actually over 40% of this entire country.
4-5 people yelling out something once in awhile can be spun as nutcases, 100 MILLION yelling and screaming and demanding answers everywhere you look is called Revolution and they will have no choice but to take notice.
Postscript
F it, the more I watch this clip the more I like it.
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
link to USA Today article
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-10-20-maher-security_N.htm
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective — a New World Order — can emerge..." - George H.W. Bush, 9/11/91
double post please delete
please delete, thx
This is the type of sh!t I'm
This is the type of sh!t I'm talking about, even though I think this guys an asshole look at the ammo clowns like this have just been handed;
"The 9/11 fanatics are different. They seem to have come to the conclusion that no one is going to give their views an airing in the media. They probably see multiple levels of conspiracy, including a conspiracy to ignore them and their brilliant discoveries. What they don't seem to get is that being obnoxious doesn't make people respect them, it makes those they want to influence and the audience they want to reach take them even less seriously. If you have a controversial cause and behave like a whacko, then people conclude that your cause is silly even before they have a chance to consider the evidence. "Stupid is as stupid does" is the operating principle under which they seem to be eager to be judged.
As they marginalize themselves more and more with their ridiculous claims and increasingly outrageous behavior, I'm afraid we can expect to see more and more desperate and extreme attention-seeking behavior. That's the pattern of the kind of narcissistic mindset which drives conspiracy fanatics. It's even believable that in the ultimate irony, as they retreat into a world of paranoia and frustration, the 9/11 conspiracy fanatics might themselves turn to violent terrorism to get the attention they so desperately crave. It's easy to laugh at the conspiracists, but it's a grim truth that someone protesting Bill Maher this week might be the next Timothy MacVeigh or Ted Kasinski a few frustrated and ignored years down the road."
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/10/21/090305.php
People need to WAKE THE F*CK UP and realise that going nuts on national television doesn’t help much, it garners exposure but if it looks nuts to most people then it's bad, period. I'M ALL FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, it's just people need to try and BE SMART and not give assholes like this guy ammo. ALL I'M SAYING IS lets think about demonstrating in a manner which REINFORCES our legitimacy and does not DETRACT from it!
Going nuts?
So let me get this straight Dem Bruce Lee Styles...
This was an 'attack' on Bill Mahar
The activists involved acted 'erratic'
The activists were 'going nuts on tv'.
Maybe we watched different videos because I don't see any 'nuts'...
Maybe you and Bill Mahar can get us all some Paxil huh?
All jokes aside...I think you 100% mis-characterize this civil disobedience on the Bill Mahar show.
The story got front page on USAToday.com, CNN.Com and MSNBC.com.
The CNN article quoted the protester as saying something like "911 was an scam cover-up".
How can that be bad? Total main stream coverage from many major sources of information!!
How is that bad?
I think 98% of the 911blogger crowd disagree with you that this detracts from 911 Truth as a movement.
This is great....
"People need to WAKE THE F*CK UP and realise that going nuts on national television doesn’t help much, it garners exposure but if it looks nuts to most people then it's bad, period."
So much for practicing what you preach huh?
Dem Bruce, there is no need for you to go 'nuts' and get 'erratic' and start 'marginalizing' yourself on 911blogger by yelling like a nut that we need to "WAKE THE FUCK UP!"
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Yea, lets "get it straight",
Yea, lets "get it straight", WHY do you think the mainstream media is airing this so much? DO THEY EVER do anything to help the movement out? MAYBE IT'S BECUASE WE COME OFF BADLY IN THIS ONE!
if you want to pander....
If you want to pander to main stream gatekeeping traitors go ahead. Bill Mahar was used by truthers to connect with millions of people around the world. These people may not 'like' the 911 Truthers right now...but I guarantee they will go home and one day....they will cross paths with 911 Truth again.
They will remember that '911 truth stuff' they heard about. Not all will become interested but many will look at the important issue we are all helping to bring attention to. They will join.
You are saying we 'look bad'. The fact is that no matter what 911 Truthers do the 'main stream' that you are pleading with us to pander to...will report it badly.
This video is making connections, planting seeds, and activating people who will get involved.
I understand what you are saying but I disagree and obviously so do most people who have been reading this web site. Unless the voting system here is entirely compromised and people actually support your point of view and it's not showing in the votes. In that case, this web site should take the voting system off or post a sticky that says its pure 'entertainment only' voting.
Maybe you are wrong? Did you consider that? At least stop yelling erratically about it please.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Who's pandering to anyone?
Who's pandering to anyone? What I'm saying is that Bill Maher and other people like him should be confronted with a demonstration that's hard not to respect, i.e. saying something to him along the lines of "The families called for a new investigation, and you ignored it!!!" - Gold’s already said that and it's what I'm talking about. Yelling "don't taze me bro" and stuff about "WTC 7 falling faster than the sands in NJ" whatever that means will be confusing to most people, and off putting. I understand why these guys did what they did, but I don't think it makes us look that good, sorry if the "majority don't agree" with that, but it’s the way I see it.
I agree 100%
with Jpass
If most people disagree with
If most people disagree with me then fine, I totally understand why those guys did it and I sympathise with them, but I just don't think it makes 9/11 Truth look very good to be honest, that's all.
Sorry but where is mainstream media airing this ?
John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE
Bonsoir ,
I am following up this story in every way and I do not have the impression at all that the mainstream media is airing this. Can you please give us internet links to where the mainstream media is following this.
Thanks John
FYI, IDIOT
DLS you state that:
"The 9/11 fanatics are different. They seem to have come to the conclusion that no one is going to give their views an airing in the media. They probably see multiple levels of conspiracy, including a conspiracy to ignore them and their brilliant discoveries."
First let me ask you to list all the times ANY media outlet has allowed a debate, discussion or even a mention of this matter. I don't think your answer will take much time or space because the answer is NEVER.
I just tried to post the following on a Crooks & Liars thread about this segment of the show....first they edited out the event from their clip and didnt even mention it had happened. I tried several times to post:
"OK sharpen your claws boys, a Truther is in the room.
I was thrilled with the disruption on Maher’s show. In case you’ve forgotten, Maher threw down the gauntlet when he attacked the Truth movement, calling those who believe we have been lied to by our own government crazies and druggies. A quick trip to patriotsquestion911.com should put an end to that red herring once and for all. Maher got what he deserved on this one. And I sincerely hope that it happens to him again and again and again. All the Truth movement wants is rational open debate on the issue of what really happened on that fateful day. Why? Because the events of 9/11 are driving everything that is happening in the world today and being used to justify wars and the destruction of our own constitution.
I hope you will all ask yourselves why, in the 6 years since 9/11, have you seen NO discussions on the glaring inconsistencies of the official story or the 9/11 commission report. No other topic seems to be off the table on Maher’s show, so why this one? Surely it is because if he had David Ray Griffin or Dr. Steven Jones on the show, armed with mind-blowing facts and studies, Maher would be the fool for calling such intelligent and reasoned individuals loonies and druggies.
Maher can expect more of this kind of disruption on his show, and he knows there is only one way to stop it.
And as a postscript, I must say I am a bit disappointed in C&L for starting this clip after the event and not even mentioning that it happened. I really can’t think why they would do that."
When a site like C&L won't even allow discussion of this topic, i think our mandate is clear 6 years after the fact....the gloves are off....by any means necessary.....KILL BILL part 3.
Well "FYI" I didn't state
Well "FYI" I didn't state "The 9/11 fanatics are different. They seem to have come to the conclusion that no one is going to give their views an airing in the media. They probably see multiple levels of conspiracy, including a conspiracy to ignore them and their brilliant discoveries." - that's this guy;
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/10/21/090305.php - Dave Nalle
So who's feeling like an "IDIOT" now?
C&L HAS NEVER allowed discussion on it, and WONT do for sometime, if ever! I don't understand any point your trying to make with those gatekeeping advertisement sellouts.
"the gloves are off....by any means necessary.....KILL BILL part 3" - thing is you're justifying that asshole "Dave Nalle's" f*cked up little image he's trying to craft for 9/11 Truth, yea lets all go on national TV and instead of protesting intelligently, let's "take the gloves off" and make ourselves look like "fanatics" and "loons".
Wonder why the mainstream media is reporting this so much, maybe it's because it's not too favourable for 9/11 Truth's image?
MY APOLOGY
I do apologise for confusing a quote for your own statements. I was reading too much too fast and failed to see the citation.
But my point still stands. The movement is spinning wheels, waiting to be invited to speak, while the fascist boys march on. And there is no time left to worry about what people think of us. All we have ever wanted is uncensored public debate, and as I stated earlier, those who are reachable will inform themselves and join us...those who vehemently oppose us will want debates just to shut us up, and that will be a win for us also.
I have no idea what "gatekeeping advertisement sellouts" means....you will have to explain it to me.
"The movement is spinning
"The movement is spinning wheels, waiting to be invited to speak, while the fascist boys march on."
Right, better make it count then with appearances that can't be labelled as "nuts". "I have no idea what "gatekeeping advertisement sellouts" means" - It means C&L whore themselves to advertising and don't want to touch 9/11 truth for fear of losing that ad money, like the rest of the media.
Frankly people are getting caught up in the hype of this protest, which blinds them from being objective.
hype...
"Frankly people are getting caught up in the hype of this protest, which blinds them from being objective."
Isn't that a bit pretentious? I'm caught up with the facts. The hype is the news...and it's great news. This story has gone viral and probably millions of people have been potentially infected with 911 Fever.
Let's say you are right, it makes 911 truth movement look bad. Does the old adage "bad publicity is good publicity" not apply?
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
The audience isn't applauding...
FOR the 9/11 Truthers.
A "Full And Complete Accounting" Of The 9/11 Attacks
Isn't that the point?
We need to reach people in the other camp and get them thinking, or at least reacting and recognizing this issue exists and won't go away. We can't just shout slogans in the echo chamber.
Who cares?
We have a long way to go before people start applauding. I think the target was Bill Mahar not the audience.
Lucky us this story got total main stream coverage.
BOooyaaakatchaaa!
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Beautiful
Congratulations!
Great Job
The LA people were great with this !
Anything to show it might not be 'business as usual' I think is worthwhile to getting the truth out.
Excellent!!
How come this clip got so low rating here?? This is really good. It actually gets uncomfortable and his guest sit there listening and taking it all in... This was in my opinion really good! Something actually happened. And Bill Maher made a fool of himself running up to audience throwing people out, that must have been embarresing for him and a sign to us and his guest and his viewers that he really did not want to talk about 9/11...
Very good. This is exactly what the movement needs. Civilized actions. Perfect. Continue like this and sooner or later "they" will have to speak out. Either that or they will have to arrest us all.
The clip may have "gotten such a low rating here" because I
think some shills have multiple 9/11 blogger accounts & aliases that they use to vote on things many times. Moderators, please take notice.
I disagree, this was good.
I think we don't have a choice now...I for one would much rather see this sort of approach than to wake up one morning in the midst of an all out nuclear holocaust...I think pissing Bill Maher off on Live TV is better than playing nice and letting another couple of years roll by towards total hell on earth. This is perfectly normal behaviour from people that are informed and know what the hell is going on and Maher's response is pefectly normal for spoiled Hollywood egomaniacs who think they are God's gift to politics.
SEE ABOVE STEVE
Steve, see my post above entitled again and again.
Visibility at any cost will wake some people up, and piss off others enough to support debates. And we all know where that will lead.
Wake up man
By making other people curious about 9/11 and spreading the truth.
The effects of actions like this one can be seen everyday on the street during wearechange's street actions.
If you yourself were out on the street engaging the public, you'd see that we're seriously kicking the systems ass~!
We don't have much time...
left before World War III starts, according to prophecies of Mr. Bush. We should try to use ALL the tactics we know. Do you know which ones are more effective, which ones are more practical? Good! Go ahead and do what you think is the best, and share your knowledge. I myself believe a lot in street action, and I will do the same. I also like indirect methods, since they are psychologically effective in the long term (you know, those litti-bitti 9/11-truth stickers that are even hard to read, but always sitting there...!). If it turns out some of the methods are not as effective, we should try to IMPROVE them.
By the way, Bill Maher confrontation was a major success. You guys kick ass! Thanks you.
Hey, at the very least, we showed that 9/11 truth movement members are G-d damn serious! Now, how many of the audience and the viewers are gonna be curious to google WTC7? I don't know, and for the time being, I don't really care. Hell! even one percent of the viewers is a lot!
Well Done
Building 7 is THE hook. Having backup with you shows great planning. A tactical masterpiece.
Building 7
"9/11, 9/11, what went down with building seven?"
Listen while you read:
http://www.alexjonesfan58.com/mp3/building7.mp3
Nice chant bro
Nice chant bro =)
Not elegant but effective!
If this happens in every live TV show people will have to start wondering.
(for now the sheeple in the audience are just having a good time, ignorance is bliss? )
SPONTANOUS actions like this are something they cannot EVER prevent, if these spontanous actions keep appaearing more and more we will win !
Remember this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ONERilOpjQ
(please watch)
BTW: Mr. Maher, since when do live TV camera's help to demolish buildings? And: neither of the buildings burned for two hours as you claimed. Poor logic and deception again by the mass media
Winning...
is a matter of force and NOTHING ELSE.
It is political force which ignores the scientific evidence!
What do you mean "a matter
What do you mean "a matter of force"? If a strategy is erroneous and counterproductive and you persist with it without reflection and adjusting that's a recipe for failure, not success. I think being a bit more coolheaded would have helped a lot here.
Time has run out
I do not advocate physically hurting other human beings, but anything short of that is fair game if it garners attention and wakes a few more folks up.
Anger is like the thunder before the rain that clears the air.
The trick is once you've made someone angry, listen to their anger, mirror their feelings back to them, give the humans a little god damn therapy.
Bill Maher makess his living being a prick and he is a very funny prick and I enjoy watching him but he is completely fair game and the interruption was good for the show.
Its live TV!
You don't understand:
If evil has more power it will win. If 911-truth gains POWER it will win.
This has been a powerful action and we need lots more.
It's too late for Political Correctness
Sorry DBLS, It's just too late to be concerned about what the ignorant, arrogant, and brainwashed masses think of this movement.
It's time to KICK ASS and GET SOME ARRESTS STARTED !!
Erratic Attack Dogs?
You've characterized this as 'an attack' and now it's 'erratic'.
I disagree.
This is protest politics at it's best. It's Guerrilla style activism and it's awesomely effective. Bill Mahar has been recorded in history for what he is, a thug info-tainer...just like Bill O'relly.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
2 percent of something if better than 99% of nothing.
Would you have preferred these guys stayed silent and not gotten into Yahoo News and USA Today ??
Kick ass but don't get caught
Be creative and be smart. Kick ass and don't get arrested. Kick ass and then move quickly to another ass kicking and disapear.
Here's a thought:
Get a large group of people to appear at some event and at a pre-planned time everyone pulls out a 9/11 truth sign and chants 9/11 was an inside job. After a couple of minutes the large crowd stops and disperses on to appear at another location later.
The cops might get called but there wouldn't be enough time to stop the activity.
A group of several thousand people could reach many more thousands on a Saturday afternoon - mini truth shock and awe.
just a thought
since when is telling the truth
putting us in a "bad light" and there is no such thing as bad publicity.
MORE and MORE amd MORE
Sometimes, THIS is the way to be heard. NOT sitting politely and waiting for your turn to speak.
Exactly
carrying a sign and singing Kumbaya around and around in circle where we have been corralled like Sheeple so the mainstream media can completely ignore we exist is worthless crap today.
Getting into a live broadcast and making noise ANY noise as long as the truth is told, shout it the phuck out, scream it, get god damn MAD as hell THAT is what I want to hear.
That will get media exposure and millions will see/hear it and the more this happens the more people will start to wonder maybe these people are onto something here because they sure are passionate about it. Reich wing lunatics and those that have brain washed themselves into believing the official lie will NEVER be swayed or gotten through to EVER, whom we need to get on board are those that still have no real opinion that don't really care one way or another they might be reachable if they would just open their damn eyes and wake the hell up.
But realistically there is at best only about 65-70% of this country that is "reachable" the rest are completely insane Reich wing idiots without a clue that wont believe a damn thing unless Rush Limbaugh or some Faux Noise propagandist spews it.
The only thing I think should be watched as far as activism like this is make sure you don't dress like someone that just escaped a freaking sanitarium, like unfortunately many Code Pink people do, they do great work but marginalize themselves looking like they are nuts.
Just look normal, act normal but be damn passionate when you speak is all.
Digg Address.
Digg this shit and raise some attention for the bro's and girls in California.!!!
http://digg.com/celebrity/9_11_Truth_Infiltrates_Bill_Maher_Show
ADVICE
Referring simply to 'Building 7' may be somewhat vague.
Only informed people might grasp the true meaning
Perhaps make reference to the WTC buildings being destroyed via controlled demolition or that '9/11 Was An Inside Job'.
These are matters of which many more may be familiar.
Otherwise - you guys got a lotta nerve!
Good work!
Yes, and I would ask Maher how Osama made our air defenses
stand-down for several hours on 9/11.
Ah-Ha! Good one!
at first, i was not sure how to react to this action. the fact that they aired unedited for west coaster viewing gives one pause, and the fact that
some dude in the audience referred to the event as "great entertainment" to watch it go down. who is benefiting here? it's quite wild. for a moment i could almost think Maher et al are making hay here and ratings.
but, no, he cannot be really enjoying these disturbances. so be it. good. in any event, i think this is the kind of nonviolent activism that is absolutely needed in this current culture of media silence on 9/11. i appreciate the seriousness of the activists. thank you! you are remembering the dead and paying the best tribute - the quest for truth. America certainly has been sleeping. most of my young-to-middle-aged "liberal, anti-war, dem" friends love Bill Maher - just LOVE Bill Mayer.
I only hope this shakes/wakes them up out of their 9/11 slumber. a little troubled sleep is in order.
Great attempt, but
it renders it virtually ineffectual when you can't even hear what they are yelling out. I heard "building 7" a couple times which was good, but most of the rantings sounded just like that...ranting. None of the activists were taken the least bit seriously and I can understand why.
I do agree with the approach that was taken, but more care has to be taken as to *what* is said. The best topics to have raised would be PNAC and war-games. Building 7 and controlled demolition is legit, but it's already considered "tiresome" by those who regard us as loons. We need to shift away from controlled demolition (while still supporting it, obviously) and focus on the PNAC agenda as well as the military's role on 9/11. As least when trying to awaken the remaining sleep-walkers. And despite what all the polls say, it still seems like most Americans are steadfastly unaware of what went down on September 11th.
You are right...
about a more careful selection of words but they got Maher to give his opinion on the WTC demolitions which is a good response.
umm...what else would you do
Maybe you expect too much from this protest? See...they are in a studio and only have a short amount of time to 'rant'. THat is about all they could do no? YOu can't exactly have an educated discussion on WTC 7 when Mahar is thuggin' it and saying he's ready to kick your ass.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
people need to remember
that douchebags like Bill have a constant platform to speak from, and they reach millions of people. In that regard we are at the mercy of their opinions, whether we agree or not, or whether they can back their opinions up with fact, or not. Bill is a smug prick that has no facts and could never debate 9/11, so when he goes on air and tries to use his position to convince gullable sheeple that 9/11 truthers are crazy and need drugs, then I think he is fair game for these type of actions. If he was a good little douchebag and kept his mouth shut then this might not be warranted, but he chose to open his stupid mouth so he deserves whatever he gets.
good job
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
In that sense I totally
In that sense I totally agree! :-D
Agreed
Bill attacked the truthers with lies (see link above) so now we're getting him back with truth. It was payback time.
This took stones. The time
This took stones. The time for passive, polite "listening" is past. It will take this kind of brass to effect change.
Notice that when Maher explained the demolition issue to his guests there was silence, no laughter, no piling on. This is telling.
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
It made Yahoo News
Maher boots protester from audience
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071020/ap_en_tv/people_bill_maher
No mention of Builing 7
in the Yahoo News report... interesting!
I am ‘that big of a lunatic,’ Bill Maher
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2547.shtml
I am ‘that big of a lunatic,’ Bill Maher
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor
Oct 19, 2007, 01:34
In answer to Bill Maher’s September 14 tirade on his Real Time show (just three days after 9/11), when he said, “Crazy people who still think the government brought down the Twin Towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I’m the one who’s being naive.”...
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2547.shtml
Ha ha ha
That made headlines on Yahoo and USA Today so far...
I love how he waited for security and then decided to throw them out himself!
Bill Maher is a coward
I noticed that too...There were several security people all over the protestors by the time Billy showed up...what a freakin' wuss.
He's a pusillanimous prick
in my opinion. Typical bully.
from the Yahoo
from the Yahoo article:
"Maher was talking science during one of his weekly panel discussions when a protester in his audience stood up, held up a smuggled-in sign reading "9/11 is a cover up fraud" and shouted comments to the same effect."
now, do you think if the people who did this were "polite" and never shouted these things we would have gotten something like that in the paper thus exposing people to the fact that some think 9/11 is a cover-up? im guessing no. Bill lost his cool and we got a tiny bit of 9/11 truth into the mainstream because of it. sounds good to me. (and as far as WTC7 goes, i think it says a lot that they omitted it from the Yahoo article after it was the main thing that the protestors yelled about.)
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
I love...
I love Rhetorical questions.
I have one for you Chris...
How about the human rights activism of the 60s?
I wonder if those encouraging us to pander to these talking head info-tainment traitors think the protests of the 60s were a little loud, nutty, and 'erratic'. What do you say? The blacks in Alabama should have been a little less noisy right?
If you ask me...these are actually tame examples of civil disobedience. It's probably going to have to get a lot hotter up in here before Bill Maher starts openly talking about 911. Actually, fuck that guy. I say...
THANKS BILL!!! Please go the fuck away now.
What is great about these videos of confrontational activism....is that every few weeks or so we get a sweet video of some weak minded main stream talking head being slammed with 911 Truth.
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recoiling bill
he is so pissed and taken aback, i had to laugh at the asshole. chris matthews just sits there with a dumb smile on his face for the entire segment. what a couple of losers. history is coming to get you bill and chris. enjoy your swan song.
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BILL MAHER IN N.Y.C. NOV. 10TH AT BEACON THEATER !!
BILL MAHER IN N.Y.C. NOVEMBER 10TH AT THE BEACON THEATER !!
(Broadway and 75th street, upper west side, manhattan, nyc)
LET'S GIVE BILL A BIG, NEW YORK WELCOME !!
=)
Bill make peace and invite the 911 truthers to a debate !
John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE ,
Bonsoir ,
I think it is not a good method but is there a good method to counter 911 propaganda ? He has his position that conforts the official version.
In insulting the truthers he will just increase the number of interventions on or outside his live show.
Bill take the courage to debate the question of WTC7 and the 911 attacks with some one like David Griffin or Professor Steven Jones.
Yours John
Nice work
I loved the fact that other people didn't stay quiet after he tried to control the "dissenters".... I don't remember him being interrupted on his show until he started pushing the govt line. Bill is doing the govt's "limited hangout" work for them. There is NO argument against a real investigation... None.
But like many others I wonder if this is the best approach. Maybe it's better to call people out only after they try to push the BS onto everyone else. Also, I'm not saying this person wasn't legitimate but I think there needs to be a level of awareness to fake dissenters who act obnoxious in order to discredit the call for a real investigation--not saying this was obnoxious, but I can see how it would be viewed that way by moderates or people who haven't seen the evidence. And, imo, those are some of the people who should be woken up. I think there needs to be caution when hijacking mediums like this because, imo, if the media acts together to generate resentment it can force this movement really underground which is currently where some other movements have gone. But if this situation were to happen again, I think it's important to show that there will be no give from us.
Detail...
It's Richard Gage, not Richard Gate..
The
Gate(s) belongs to Bill
as is always the case with
as is always the case with brave actions like this, the nitpickers will come out and tell us that we should have been "more civil" or taken a "better approach" here. thats fantasy, as if any of these media whores would listen to us if we didnt take this approach. in this specific case it was this approach or nothing, yet people still want to criticize. Bill Maher is not going to give us a seat on his panel no matter how polite we are. im just going to say great job and please keep the pressure up. this is exactly the kind of stuff thats needed, shake these media and political elites out of their comfort zone. let them know we are paying attention. not only was Maher confronted, but so was Jackson-Lee and Chris Matthews by extension. if they didnt already know(and how could they not?) about Building 7 and the various questions surrounding 9/11 they do now. Maher's anger was telling.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Chris, I mostly agree with
Chris, I mostly agree with you...all I was saying is that I couldn't really understand what they were yelling out. These tactics are good, but it's important to stay as calm as possible. Civil disobedience if necessary(and it is), but calm cool and collected.
Maher understood perfectly,
Maher understood perfectly, the people in the audience, if they dont understand already will no doubt try to understand what they just witnessed and what caused it. im guessing they will likely find out about Building 7 after that little dust-up. i agree, we should be as civil as possible when possible but in a circumstance like this we have one option in my opinion and thats the one these brave people took. its this or nothing in this case and this is indeed better than nothing, much better. i dont think its counter-productive at all, i think its productive on numerous levels as i previously stated. will some people in the audience be turned off by it because they like Bill Maher and are blind partisan sheep? sure, but the good strongly outweighs that minor bad here imho.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Totally agree
it took a big pair of shiny brass balls to stand up and say what they did and obviously people took notice.
These couple of activist just got more attention, got more publicity, got more word out to those that are clueless than all the many 1000s of protesters marching around Washington DC in the past various protest that were 100% ignored by the MSM.
9/11 truth has got to be shoved down their damn throats and them made to choke on it, then repeat & repeat.
I mostly agree too....
But some would love to generate bad publicity against the movement before final cut and endgame come out. I support any effort by anyone in this mvmt and I rated it accordingly, but I don't think there's anything wrong w/ talking about its effectiveness or how improvements can be made.
There is no such thing as "bad publicity"
"Bad publicity" is really an oxymoron. Agreed, there are certain "true" extremes, like murder, and such, but, for things of the nature of the Bill Maher event, and others, you really can't go wrong.
All of the people who will make a big deal about this and claim (or will claim, and I'm surprised to not see more of that here) it is "ruining the movement" and "making us look bad", and the others outside the movement, such as JREF-ers, will do so anyway, even about stuff that isn't that big a deal, even if they have to make it up.
Some really good examples of this, which I hate to even mention, are Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, and others.
Even that idiot Mel Gibson can say extremely sexist and anti-semitic statements, and his film Apocalypto does better than most other films.
Which is why sometimes these things are actually faked and staged.
You just want to stay this side of illegality.
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To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Of course,
I never said this was "ruining the movement"... Maybe you're right about any publicity being good publicity in this case--I really don't know how it will effect the movement.
No more nice movement
there are hit pieces all over the place yet no way for us to counter them on the air.
At this point in time, the gloves have got to come off because the right way doesn't work.
We can't be nice anymore.
It's not "Ask your questions nicely, Politely ask for answers".
its...
ASK QUESTIONS, DEMAND ANSWERS!
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Brilliant
Maher is on the hot spot after his prior frontal attack against the Truth.
He unleashed his foul tongue and behaved like a thug. His true colours have been seen live. He'll have to account to this. He has lost credibility in more than one way.
He created a controversy and it makes news. It is not the end of the story because CONTROVERSY sells.
Good show, good tactical thinking, very well carried out.
Sometimes a little passion goes a long way
To get people to open their eyes and look at something or look at it differently.
If it was "one lone kook", that would be different, and people could easily dismiss it.
But, when there are several people, that puts a little ka-ching in people's brains and consciousnesses and consciences.
Everyone who saw this, and especially those who experienced it, will not soon forget it.
Especially Bill Maher. (so this may be the beginning of the end for his denial and such)
We'll have to wait and see how he "acts out" regarding this new assault to his status quo. (negatively, or positively)
But, no matter what, in the end, he will 'lose'. (which is actually a win – for him and everyone else — because, when all is said and done, he is basically a good person who fights for right over wrong, and always has — so I try to not hold this black mark against him)
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To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Thanks!
Truth>Image: we are late in the game
Can we improve upon these so we can come up with some good lines?
"PNAC called for a process of transformation 27 times in 90 pg doc"
"New Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, WTC '93, anthrax; study suppressed history or be doomed to repeat it"
"The important thing is to not stop questioning" - Einstein
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Einstein
Many hands make light work!
RRREMA=realize, recognize, reconcile, educate, motivate, activate
OH yeah!
That was awesome.
Civli Disobedience: the Next Phase
I noticed it didn't take much for Maher to call for ejection with extreme prejudice. "Kick his ass" "Don't be gentle" He was ready to endorse Guiliani for some forceful arrest policies. Verbal and physical threats.
This civil disobdience was the most effective thing I've seen in a while. You may not have understood what they shouted, but Maher repeated what they were shouting about for the live world to hear. For a couple of minutes, they had to listen (and squirm and whistle past the graveyard). Bravo!!
Reasoned and civil discourse is preferred, but when the Left calls you lunatics, with whom do you have that reasoned discourse?
Citizen action is the only way. Here's to the start of the next phase of 9-11 Truth!
great
very good. and to everyone saying that we should find other things to say in situations like these, it is very hard to articulate something about PNAC or war games from an audience when you only have 5 seconds to express something. I think building seven is a great thing to hammer in.
"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush
TACTICAL SUGGESTION(S)
1. A PROP
Sneak in a copy of the "9/11 Commission Report", in the small of your back. Mark it up with highlighter and place accurate rebuttals on printed out pages into the copy. DRG's work is a good guide. Include: Cheney's arrival, money trail of no consequence, etc.
Hold up this prop for all to see. This focuses attention on the object, at the crucial moment when everyone is trying to figure out what's going on.
2. THE DEMAND
Keep your demand simple and on point. The Commission published demonstrable lies. We can rebut them, and numerous people have already.
3. A DEBATE
A key demand would have Maher debate leading 9/11 thinkers. Stick to challenging him as being too chicken to debate Dr. David Ray Griffin, Dr. Steven Jones, Nafeez Ahmed, Dr. Michel Chossodovsky, Daniel Hopsicker and others you can trust.
Call out his cowardice, and challenge him to defend the indefensible commission report.
Write up a bunch of one-liners to remember during the event...
"You're too chicken to debate David Ray Griffin and other leaders of the movement!"
"Stop the censorship on the 9/11 cover up."
"You have no credibility on September 11th issues!"
"Why are you afraid of debating the truth?"
"Are you afraid of being exposed as a fraud?"
"A hundred and fifty million Americans disagree with you Bill."
"Why do you accept their obvious lies? Don't you care?"
(Continue list)
Remember, you only get a sentence or two, before they shut you down, so make it good.
Nice post Johndo; good
Nice post Johndo; good points.
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
make visible a sign like : Google "wtc7"
John MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE
already many people in the past have successfully diplayed a "Google wtc7" for the télévision, etc . It is a clear message instructing the audience to do something easy. It would be good to see such a banner on Bill's program and if it is the size of a head scarf, it should be quite easy to smuggle into the studio. exemple
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6258
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11394
http://www.urnotfree.com/images/truth_action/september/googlewtc7.jpg
It is also a recall of the brave action by Rosie O'Donnel who on ABC "The View " asked her audience to Google "wtc7". Our dear Rosie was sacked from the ABC !
another good one would be "Google 9/11 inside job"
Make plea to audience:
Possible chants or signs:
Wake up America! Don't be "good Americans" like the Good Germans! Research False Flag Terror and WTC7. Google Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
Also , Dennis Kucinich is not a fan of the Federal Reserve. He is adimit about fair trade vs. free trade. He has said he would investigate 9/11. Ron Paul is an honest man as is Dennis but I do not share Paul's politics when it comes to private ownership of the commons..a womens right to chose, etc.
TWO PROPS
In addition to the marked up 9/11 commission report, produce DRG's Lies and Omissions and then WALK THEM UP TO THE STAGE TO DELIVER TO BILL MAHER PERSONALLY.
If you get close to the stage, you will get better coverage.
"This book documents 115 lies and omissions in the 9/11 commission report. Debate Dr. Griffin on your show, and stop censoring 9/11 truth."
"Stop censoring the truth."
I would avoid putting all your eggs in one basket and focusing on demolition. This is detrimental, and most people in Maher's circle are already taking his side.
That's not the whole story, and you have to make him answer for his defense of the cover up. Not just of disbelieving demolition. That is a dead end. He's already addressed it twice, and you can't get any new info with a ten second sound bite.
I'm for agitation.
All progress stops in the contented man. I'm for agitation. It's the greater factor for progress
- Mother Jones
But the evil of pinning faith to indirect action is far greater than any such minor results. The main evil is that it destroys initiative, quenches the individual rebellious spirit, teaches people to rely on someone else to do for them what they should do for themselves; finally renders organic the anomalous idea that by massing supineness together until a majority is acquired, then through the peculiar magic of that majority, this supineness is to be transformed into energy. That is, people who have lost the habit of striking for themselves as individuals, who have submitted to every injustice while waiting for the majority to grow, are going to become metamorphosed into human high-explosives by a mere process of packing!
- Voltairine de Cleyre
Nonviolent direct action is inextricably related to democracy. V~ fence to the point of terrorism is the desperate tactic of tiny groups who are incapable of building a mass base of popular support. Governments much prefer violence committed by disciplined armies under their control, rather than adopt tactics of nonviolence, which would require them to entrust power to large numbers of citizens, who might then use it to threaten the elites' authority.
A worldwide movement of nonviolent action for peace and justice would mean the entrance of democracy for the first time into world affairs. That's why it would not be welcomed by the governments of the world, whether "totalitarian" or "democratic." It would eliminate the dependence on their weapons to solve problems. It would bypass the official makers of policy and the legal suppliers of arms, the licensed dealers in the most deadly drug of our time: violence.
- Howard Zinn
Thus the State never intentionally confronts a man's sense, intellectual or moral, but only his body, his senses. It is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.
- Henry David Thoreau
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I hope to see Maher confronted on a continual basis. Great job LA!
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
Bill Maher used to date Man
Bill Maher used to date Man Coulter. That means he got jiggy with that thing.
Nuff said.
That wasn't Cynthia
That wasn't Cynthia McKinney.
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Classic Paulianity
comprehension. That was Sheela Jackson Lee not McKinney.
my bad.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
WTF does "classic paulianity comprehension" mean?
Why are you trying to alienate those who support Ron Paul from the truth movement. I think that's a bad move on your part. I've seen McKinney's face like 2 times, I can't remember what she looks like, and you have to admit she does look like Jackson.
You hate Ron Paul why? He is the only candidate that wants to end the federal reserve. Without the federal reserve they would not be able to pull off 9/11 nor invade Iraq. Find another candidate that will end this insanity and I'll take a look, until then, you should not be so quick to insult Ron Paul supporters.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
These women look alike?
The most I'd say is they have simular smiles...
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Take it easy!
I made a mistake, why jump all over me.
Jackson had her hair just like the pic of McKinney you posted. It's not THAT outrageous that I mixed them up when I just got a quick glimpse and didn't remember what exactly McKinney looked like. My god, you'd think I came in here and shouted "George Bush rules"!
Chill!
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron PaulI
No one's jumping all over you...
Least I'm not; can't speak for everyone. I'm just baffled. But I'm guessing you haven't seen many images of either one. No big on that count.
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sorry
Didn't mean to take it out on you but you were the 2nd post in this regard.
I haven't seen either of them much, and the video I saw started later and didn't identify her.
"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul
You people seriously need to get a sense of humor
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To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
Its not that I hate Ron Paul
I'm just sick and tired of his disciples on here praising their messiah when they either don't really know what he stands for, or don't care at all what he stands for simply because they "think" he some how supports 9/11 when he clearly does not.
You can have a look at virtually all Green Party candidates and get the same ideas without the religious fanaticism and anti gay, anti abortion, anti stem cell rhetoric.
and let's not forget that he
and let's not forget that he voted to put a wall up along the US/Mexico border..
he sounds like a real gem
Is that an example of the
Is that an example of the reasoned discourse some are calling for instead of the uncontrolled "dumb-shit" actions of average citizens? I'll take the dumb-shits.
ahhah
was thinking the same thing myself
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Likewise
I'll take the "dumb Shits" all day long over nitwits without a clue that somehow believe we will get anywhere quietly sitting in a corner.
If you think 9/11 truth has ANY credibility and EVER will to a bunch of Reich wing lunatics then you are as crazy as they are, the only people we need to reach are those that are on the fence don't have much of an opinion either way.
There are only about 65-70% of this country that is reachable, the rest are brain dead idiots of which facts are utterly meaningless.
We currently have at least 40% that leaves maybe 25-30% tops that are reachable and if you don't have a solid opinion on 9/11 by now then the only way to reach someone like that is to wake them up and slam the facts down their throats MAKE them think about it, DARE them to think about it.
What these people did on Maher was excellent and is EXACTLY what we need MUCH more of, in fact as far as I'm concerned it is about ALL we need to be concentrating on now is to FORCE these bastards to take notice, FORCE it into the news put that damn boot heel on their throats until they choke.
I think hitting ALL live shows especially ones like GMA, Today show etc would be a good idea hit them over & over.
Uh, oh -- MoFo must be Chief of the Credibility Police
Man! You don't see cluelessness like that every day.
Credibility, shmedibility.
People who think "they" are going to give "us" credibility, or legitimacy, or anything of the sort, or think we are going to "earn it", are seriously kidding themselves.
It's a joke and a farce. It's all perception and no reality or truth. And they are going to say or think or believe that we don't have it or deserve it regardless. Because that is the type of people those people who think and say and believe such things are. And they are not going to change.
Those that say "we" don't have any credibility or legitimacy or anything like that should be ignored.
Period.
Thinking and attitudes like this stem from people not having a high enough sense of self-esteem and a poor self-image, and projecting that onto the 9/11 Truth and Justice Movement. When, in reality, you shouldn't care what "those people" think and say about you. (or our movement)
I can see some negative votes coming my way for this primarily due to incomprehension and misunderstanding, so I'm going to offer a simple example:
Some person says or thinks you are an "Idiot". What is your reaction going to be?
1) Oh my God! That person thinks I'm an idiot! What am I going to do???
2) Yeah, like I really care what you say or think.
Now apply that scenario to people saying anything negative about us or our movement. (of course, you have to agree and understand that the second response is the correct one — I suggest that is self-evident, but you would be surprised)
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To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
WTC 7 :
"A Smoking Gun in the Form of a Controlled Demolition"
9/11 Truth ends the 9/11 Wars
911 HOAX: New Here,But I'ev been around the Block too many times
WTC 7
911 HOAX
I've been around this 911 HOAX straight from the beginning. While not posting here, I have posted literally thousands of articles/comments on other forums.
There can be NO DOUBT, that WTC 7 is the one and only SMOKING GUN, as Dubya used to say: "A smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud"
That is why Bill Maher stays far and clear of WTC 7. Just like many of the other fake Left Gatekeppers: Amy Goodman (complete corporate sham), Noam Chomsky (he is the brainchild of the CIA, born and breed just for this specific purpose, agent provocateur extraordinaire
Thus why the supremely un-necessarily hostile reaction from "i'm gonna kick your ass"... can't take out a cheeseburger guy: Bill Maher ?
Simple.
WTC 7 was a complete and total failure from the kingmakers of the 911 HOAX.
The original plan was to obliterate and destroy the entire US Capitol building, thus decapitating the totality of the US Federal Gov't.
Congresscritters and Snivelling Senators in one shot.
If that had succeeded, then the controlled demolition of WTC 7 would quite honestly NOT HAVE BEEN NOTED by the Whore-stream media nor the sheeple.
Instead, because of this specific fuckup ( UA 93), the obviousness of the controlled demolition of WTC 7 was revealed and apparent to all.
(and of course the Anthrax Attacks became a necessary Plan B)
In reality, the true objective of the 911 HOAX was a complete and total decapitation of the US Federal Gov't.
However, as with all truly detailed and complex plans, Murphy's Law raised its ugly head.
Thus were the criminal bastards of the 911 HOAX FORCED to demolish WTC 7 in the late afternoon in a fashion that was NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN.
Nice to see that even these criminal bastards sometimes fail in their diabolical plans.
In the end, only truth and love and a reverence for all life endures.
One day the truth of the 911 HOAX will be revealed.
Of that I have absolutely no doubt.
for the record, maher said:
1. "...or do I have to come over and kick this guy's ass outta here"
(obscured slightly by applause)
Didnt someone say that Liberty dies not with tears, but to thunderous applause?
2. "...I'll kick your ass outta here too"
yes, he's a douchebag, but in fairness there is a difference between "Ill kick your ass", and "Ill kick your ass outta here"
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Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
thanks Bobby
excellent job describing the mistakes that occurred on 9/11. I hear over and over that Cheney was too incompetent to pull off the events of 9/11. Building 7 proves the incompetence theory! They had to "pull it" to cover up their mistakes.
"Thus were the criminal
"Thus were the criminal bastards of the 911 HOAX FORCED to demolish WTC 7 in the late afternoon in a fashion that was NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN."
Nicely spoken Bobby, only problem is that is takes weeks in advance to prepare the perfect implosion of a skyscraper. How could the destruction of WTC7 been a spontaneous act of desperation in the later afternoon hours of 9/11 when the building had to have been laced with bombs several weeks prior? Flight 93, quite plausibly, could have been heading straight for building 7, and not toward Washington D.C. Wildly speculative of course, however we'll not ever know the answer to that, in all likelihood. Certainly not without a proper investigation. Point is, all 3 buildings must have been planted with explosives by late August of '01.
Also I would suggest to those who use the phrase '9/11 hoax' to steer clear from that expression because it connotes the idea that 9/11 "never happened", ala tv fakery and down *that* false rabbit hole, etc. Instead try to refer to the event as the '9/11 psy-op". Hoax implies that it never happened. Of course it happened. 3000 people REALLY ARE dead.
Sorry but you're not reading DEEP enough
As I said and I repeat here:
"Thus were the criminal bastards of the 911 HOAX FORCED to demolish WTC 7 in the late afternoon in a fashion that was NOT ACCORDING TO PLAN."
The Criminal bastards were forced to take down WTC 7 in a fashion not according to plan. This means exactly what it says.
The plan was to destroy the US Capitol Building. That didn't happen. Thus WTC 7 came down with MORE publicity and focus then was originally expected.
It has nothing to do with the timing/planning of placing explosives.
You are thinking too simply and missing the entire chessboard.
I agree about the total decapitation
I've always wondered if Bush wasn't supposed to make it out of Floirda that day. I've read about that suspicious news crew that was turned away that morning by the Secret Service. They claimed they were scheduled to do a poolside interview with Bush. A news crew 2 days earlier assassinated the leader of the Northern Alliance in Iraq with a bomb in a fake camera. When he 's informed about the attack, he sits there like a bewildered moron while the Secret Service does NOTHING, one of the biggest red flags of the day, IMHO. He then boards Air Force One and runs around the country AWOL form his official duty as Commasnder-In-Chief. Were his people striking a deal with the new management before he would return to D.C.?
replayed on CNN
At 5:55 pm on Saturday, CNN covered this truthout event, replaying the clip, making several comments.
CNN Catch.
Man. would I love to see a clip of CNN covering this event. I hope someone can post it soon. Good info.
I hope....
that they are there every week doing the same until Maher is forced to have a distinguished representative of the movement on his show! Great job guys!
Bill Maher: Corporate Media
Bill Maher: Corporate Media Gatekeeper and Security Guard
Kurt Nimmo
Activist from We Are Change LA gets under the skin of corporate shill
After HBO employee Bill Maher lent a hand in evicting a “rowdy protester” from his show on Friday, the Associated Press wasted no time characterizing him as a “security guard” for the effort.
On Friday, Maher was so determined to please his employer and make amends for displeasing the government in the past—when he declared the imaginary 9/11 terrorists were not cowards—he rushed from the stage to make sure the protester was man-handled and quickly ushered from the studio. “When security reached the man’s aisle and the man resisted leaving, Maher ran into the seats and helped them push him out the door, shouting ‘Out! Out! Out!’” the Associated Press continues. “Several other protesters, sprinkled throughout the audience, then stood up and shouted… ‘This isn’t the Iowa Caucus, OK, we’re not here to debate,’ Maher shouted with most of his audience cheering him on. ‘This is the problem with live television.’”
Indeed, this is “the problem with live television” and it will continue to be a problem so long as corporate shills such as Bill Maher refuse to acknowledge legitimate questions and label the questioners as mental patients.
It is not so much Bill’s refusal to address the official 9/11 fairy tale—thus rendering him a de facto neocon supporter—but rather his obvious determination to go after those who question the official fish story. Bill Maher is not so much a comedian as an apologist and advocate for the criminal cabal guilty of launching the predetermined “catastrophic and catalyzing event” cynically used as an excuse to decimate what remains of our beleaguered Constitution and foment the “clash of civilizations,” otherwise known as the neocon-neolib global domestication project, determined to reduce the planet to a slave labor gulag based on the China Model, hailed by one-worlders as a miracle.
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=398
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Maher's Incongruent Behavior
Maher is certainly paid to bash truthers, but there's another probelm, he's a terrible actor. His attack on his rowdy truthers in the audience was basically even more offensive because he didn't believe a word he said. His anger was a fraud, and his phony delivery just made him look stupid. Maher and the whole panel know the truth about 9/11 - only an idiot doesn't know of the stand down, Building 7, and the whole neo-con involvment. So, Maher couldn't give a rational answer to the truthers, as there isn't any.
Truthers should consider quoting some of the military, former intelligence officers and gov. people on 9/11 in public. Quote an authority, then let Bill Maher and other phonies try to answer.
Leave a comment at HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/20/watch-bill-maher-throw-9_n_6924...
Fuck Bill Maher and his pseudo-profundity.
Of course, don't use those exact words at HuffPo, because they'll censor you.
But honestly, fuck Maher.
You can also register at hbo forums
KEEP IT CIVIL, or they'll boot us out of there too.
See if this link works?
http://boards.hbo.com/category/Forums/700000000
Holy shit!
This rapid-fire yell-out was awesome!
Was it just me, or did I sense something resembling a concern or fright behind the facade of Bill's matcho posturing? At times he looked a bit lost. I guess it becomes a little frightening if you can't get away with your BS anymore... To give Bill some credit, he did announce the picketting in front of his studio because people believe WTC buildings were demolished. I think that was a good outcome, at least some people will start digging on that basis. Did you notice, he did not call them crazy this time or advise the use of anti-depressants. I think somebody's arrogance is deflating with these recent developments.
Even as I totally agreed with this particular action, not to mention, enjoyed it a great deal, I think there is a real danger in overplaying it. I don't think the truthers want to be seen as religious fanatics, yelling out their beliefs at any moment, appropriate or not (i.e. whether 9/11 is under discussion or not), and disrupting TV shows on an ongoing basis.
As I said, I support this incident totally, because Bill brought it on himself with his arrogant stab at the Truth Movement on Sept 14, and it was necessary to shake him in his boots a little, but milking it for all it's worth in future shows is not productive, imho.
Our objective must be the numbers, not the disruption. Can you imagine, after his another unfortunate cheap shot at the Truth Movement, a sizeable portion of the audience (say, a third or a half), booing him. That would have more effect than a few loud voices disrupting the show, imho.
The same goes for politicians, too. In the next Q&A session with any of the politicians, I would rather see 5-6 questions in a row about 9/11, asked calmly and politely, than one truther in the audience yelling: "Liar!". The former would have much more profound effect.
Thanks for this action! I admire your courage!
Completely disagree. I
Completely disagree. I think truthers should build on this action and take it to the next level. As you say, Maher brought it on himself. His show is live.
Video: Truth Revolution
I liked this move.
I think this was a good move by the LA squad. This is true activism and non violent resistance. This disruption is PERFECTLY in line with what we need more of. It also served to expose Bill Maher for the shit he is. Hints to a woman about kicking ass, joining in behind his security staff with pushing people(coward), and totally having the crowd go quiet the more he spoke. That silence wasn't because of what the protesters did, that was a reaction to Bill's handling of the situation. He was exposed on live television and now on YouTube. The only thing that bothers me is the ease at which people they feel they can push around activists and have people stand around doing nothing. I sure couldn't deal with it like they did. Takes a certain kind of patience which I don't have to let people put their hands on you. So respect.
no doubt, did you see the
no doubt, did you see the footage of the protest outside of the IMF world bank in DC recently? cops were literally picking protestors up and throwing them like ragdolls. pretty violent stuff. and the news played the footage like it was normal and its ok to just throw people around like that. local news is as bad as national news in most ways.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
It’s too late to be civil.
We need to write letters, emails, and call the show until Bill Maher will have a serious discussion about 9/11.
Yep, and not just Bill, but
Yep, and not just Bill, but all gatekeepers in general. Naomi Klein, Amy Goodman, and Greg Palast are perfect examples of people who cover up truth by revealing less urgent truths.
So what the heck happened that day?
Or is it all the official government theory, Ex-Truther?
Ex-Truther
is a disinfo specialist.... He has "seen the light" and now wants to explain why HE thinks there shouldn't be an investigation. He KNOWS why NORAD didn't respond, and he believes tripod II, vigilant warrior, and vigilant guardian were legitimate and not connected to that day's events whatsoever. He also decided that it's perfectly okay for FAA officials to destroy evidence--testimony from ATCs. He no longer wonders why they won't release the full pentagon footage. This man no longer has any questions...
govt agent ?
okay... tell me what originally made you a truther, then explain what evidence you saw that made you believe the govt's story w/out an actual investigation.
btw
I've seen their movies and it prompted me to look into it for myself. I've never spent a dime on any of the movies... Both have urged people to share those videos and have given them away.
hahahaha
your blog is hilarious.
"I will not withdraw from this war even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." -George W. Bush
I can't see anyone who
I can't see anyone who thinks this is all bullshit would spend time trolling Truther sites to lay down screeds and insults, and actually maintain a blog dedicated to it. That's why people will suspect you. Wake up.
That "blog" ...
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Noticing crap and shillery is not being a gatekeeper
I wouldn't call someone who can tell the difference between bullshit and legitimate questions about 911....a gatekeeper...would you?
Quick lesson
Numb Chumpsky = "911 doesn't matter" = total gatekeeping
Bill Mahar - "911 truthers need paxil" = total gatekeeping
911 Truthers - call bullshit when they see it and discuss issues that have proven the test of legitimacy over the past 6 years.
The main difference between myself (911 Truther activists) and these gatekeepers is that they have enormous coverage and public focus. They choose to use that voice to gatekeep.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Bingo.
Unfortunately in this case it really is that black and white. I'm getting tired of mainstream liberals having excuses made for them by their apologists. At this late stage in the game, after 6 years and mounting evidence for the existence of state-sponsored terrorism, there is no longer any valid excuse for the likes of Greg Palast, Naomi Klein, and of course Billyboy to feign ignorance about the truth of 9/11, nor should they have the audacity to further marginalize this movement, as though they're in perfect sync with the dominant party line (the perps and their cover-up shills). There really needs to be a counter-active strategy toward combatting this "progressive" assault on truth and justice for the crime of 9/11.
The mainstream media is another story altogether.
THAT was great! Very gutsy
THAT was great! Very gutsy and good strategy to have multiple truthers in the audience. One of the best things I've seen lately. Whatever it takes, as long as no one gets hurt. We need exposure 180 degrees (from the civil to the in-your-your-face method if no other choice).
Betsy
Bill Maher shows his true colors.
Boy did he make a complete fool out of himself. What low class scum. Chalk another one up for the truth movement. Bottom line..... he is quite aware 9/11 was an inside and is scared to death. The truth that the good old USA is the most sinister government of all time is a hard pill to swallow. Maher can't handle the truth so he lashes out. Keep turning up the heat guys until it's hotter than molten steel!
No, the audience are Sheeple -- that is their role
Plus many of them were there to have a good time, and the disruption cut into their entertainment value.
Reality has a way of doing that.
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Senior 9/11 Bureau Chief, Analyst, Correspondent, Principle Investigator, Forensic 9/11ologist
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men. — Abraham Lincoln
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. — Robert Heinlein
The Raw Story: BM show interrupted by 9/11 Truthers
Good reporting:
Bill Maher show interrupted by 9/11 Truthers Nick Langewis and Mike Aivaz
Published: Saturday October 20, 2007 The Raw Story
Question for Mikey
If you have decided to accept the OCT and have rejected the quest for the truth about 9/11, why do you continue to visit 911 Blogger? Just curious. And, why are you so antagonistic? I have friends who do not necessarily share all of my beliefs about 9/11, but at the very least they all agree that the official story does not add up. Once people learn about the numerous conflicts of interest with the commissioners that is usually reason enough for them to be in favor of a new investigation.
I guess if I were to ever decide to move on, I would do just that, move on.
Public Civil Disobedience Is One Of The Few Cards We Have Left
nausea7543
When the student is ready the teacher will come.
I will be looking for my own public civil disobedience display in my hometown. We recently just shouted our mouths off at Rudy Giuliani when he arrived and left our hometown. It's our duty to shout out 9/11 Truth and it takes some courage, but it is well worth the effort . I would love to have the chance to do it at a mainstream live show like Bill Maher's has. Mainstream Media, your live shows are becoming hazardous to your health. This is a dare to Bill Mahers. I'm 57 years old and about 165 pounds but I bet I can "Kick Your Ass". Here's the deal, if by chance you get to read this and if you bring me on your show and I " kick your ass" then I'll give you 72 hours to recover because you'll need that much time. Then I get to have a 9/11 debate with you on your show. Take Care Matt, Take A Stand For 9/11 Truth, ts911t.org
T SHIRTS...
THAT SAY:
" GOOGLE WTC 7! "
ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE GARMENT, IS WHAT IS NEEDED.
If everyone who is at least a sympathizer of the 911 Consciousness Movement wore one as their own contribution, then everyone could say they played a part and that would really throw a gigantic monkey wrench into the greed machine of the neocon-junta. T shirts that say "911 was a hoax" or "911 Truth" are ineffective and impotent. The TV action was fantabulous. But T shirts could spread truth like wildifre completely underground, quietly, and free from tasers and censorship. T shirts could also raise money for 911 Truth goals. But the first batch of T shirts should be mass produced and sold to truthers via the internet. Everyman a walking billboard!
LET'S ROCK
LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN
SHOCK AND AWE
Good Job.
Jumbo Jets Can Not Demolish Skyscrapers.
the first line says "debate.... like Richard GATE" ... wrong
Pretty sure you mean GAGE
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At first I objected to the
At first I objected to the hecklers in the audience-- but then I thought-- they and this issue is being ignored to a large degree- and at some point you engage in civil disobedience, and although "rude" and "outside the rules", sometimes you have little other options. So, I do not automatically object to this type of audience reaction. The news and media are disproportionately controlled by WHOM? Why does Bill Maher and Chris Mathews have a voice, and a pulpit that which millions can tune into, but you or I don't? What makes these people deserving of a place to be heard, and the "audience" must just shut up and listen?
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