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Planes HEARD at the World Trade Center

Submitted by GeorgeWashington on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 2:48pm.

Note: This probably should have been a blog instead of a story. The views expressed herein are solely those of GeorgeWashington, and not of 911Blogger.

In order to test the no-plane hypothesis that CGI imagery generated fake video images of planes crashing into the Twin Towers on 9/11, it would be useful to analyze the number of eyewitness (earwitness) reports that they HEARD the planes.

My theory is that if enough witnesses heard planes, then CGI would be highly unlikely, since that would not account for the sounds of planes (especially if witnesses heard planes from multiple locations).

The following Google search (i.e. using the search terms 9/11 heard plane "world trade center") yields 55 pages worth of results.

Anyone want to divide this up and find the relevent quotes? Let's figure out whether the acoustical evidence refutes or supports the no-plane theory.

Become a part of history. Do some original research, and help be a part of a team which tests this theory.

Alternative searches could use the words "Twin Towers", "South Tower", "North Tower", "WTC", "1" and "2" instead of "world trade center"

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I'm all for the MIHOP theory

I'm all for the MIHOP theory but this is a little too much.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:01pm.

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It's deliberately too much,

It's deliberately too much, "no planes" etc is a smear campaign on 911truth, that or sheer idiocy.

Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:06pm.

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Will you PLEASE give it a rest

Some folks are making a concerted effort to find evidence that will either confirm or negate a hypothesis.

Submitted by BCS on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:09pm.

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That clip is of the second

That clip is of the second hit, not the first. The guy says something about glass being all over, or words to that effect. Why would he be talking about glass being strewn about if neither tower had been hit yet?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 6:12pm.

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Ditch the 'No Planes' Nonsense

Will everyone please stop wasting your time with no planes. EVen if they were CGI, peddling the no planes theory will get you NOWHERE. Even the most open-minded 9/11 truth virgin will laugh at you if you try to peddle that crap. Stick to whats one the record: NORAD non-response, war games, WTC7, molten steel, Sibel Edmonds, PNAC, Northwoods, bin Laden/FBI Poster, etc.

You have to keep it to things you can find an official document for. True or not, no planes is a waste of time.

If you have time to kill, look up the reports of aircraft carriers off the east coast or the statement by one of the victims that she was the only family member out of all the people on the plane.

Submitted by truthcommission (not verified) on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:33pm.

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i saw and heard the first

i saw and heard the first plane as it passed over my head. i also agree that spending time refuting/responding to the no planes theory is a waste of time.

thank you

International Truth Movement
http://www.truthmove.org

Submitted by delver on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 9:20pm.

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Maybe there was a plane

Maybe there was a plane that didn't hit the buildings; the plane that the news guy described ("definitely not a passenger jet") that flew by at a low altitude near the time that a detonation went off or missile hit the tower. Heck, maybe it even fired the missile as it passed close by.

But that being said, people who really want 9/11 truth to go mainstream should forget No Planes until an investigation goes that way - everyone who really is for the truth should get together behind one single piece of solid fact, say WTC7, and push, push, push until the questions get asked of Bush on live TV. It would be funny to see the look on his face.

But that being said, more than half the US knows there was a conspiracy to kill JFK and cover it up - and the perpetrators got away with that, so far! Now half the population (on MSNBC's poll) knows there is evidence for government complicity in 9/11. The only thing that can make it go differently than JFK is Congress and candidates like Lt Col Bowman and the rest of the 9/11 truth candidates. Well maybe they won't make a difference in corrupt congress but it's worth a shot.

Submitted by trollosaurus (not verified) on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 10:02pm.

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Stop peddling in this "no plane theory" disinformation

IMMEDIATELY. Because of these NPT morons, we are being discredited in the MSM causing many to be driven away from the 9/11 truth.

WE MUST BAN THESE UNEDUCATED NPT disinfo artists before they destroy this 9/11 truth movement further. If you genuinely care about 9/11 truth, and are not just a moronic person who loves conspiracy theories "just for the FUN of it", you know that this is the best action we must take in order to move forward and improve our credibility.

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Stop giving attention to the "no plane theory" disinfo agents like Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, Shayler, killtown, CB_Brooklyn, webfairy, Holmgren, and others who are sabotaging this movement, either by sheer stupidity or intentionally.

Submitted by V for Vendetta on Sun, 09/10/2006 - 3:13am.

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Here's One

Source

I passed the chapel, crossed Broadway and had just started up Ann Street when I heard the unmistakable sound of a low flying jet followed by a horrible explosion. People on the street thought it was a bomb, but I was certain it was a plane.

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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:02pm.

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Firehouse: Were you just

Firehouse: Were you just getting off or just coming in?

Hayden: I was continuing on. I worked the night before. I was in my office when I heard a plane coming in low.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:03pm.

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Completely Irrelevant...

But I thought I'd add it anyway...

Source

Were looking at the Twin towers when we saw the first plane. I commented to Lisa that I thought the plane was flying pretty low. Then it went straight into the building. The sound of the impact was like a sonic boom. Lisa said that it must of been that the pilot had a heart attack.

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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:05pm.

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I went inside - thinking it

I went inside - thinking it was over and I should get out of the way of the rescue workers who were quickly assembling. Just then, the second plane came screaming overhead and into Tower 2. I thought it was going to hit my building.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiro_oshima/127764926/in/set-72057594105816...

Submitted by imgstacke on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:09pm.

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Here's One...

Source

Tom Flynn, a CBS News producer, was reading the morning paper on his deck in the West Village when “a plane went over the trees in my garden. It was low, it was loud, and it was determined.

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"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

Submitted by Jon Gold on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:10pm.

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And here is a list of

GeorgeWash seems to be the best buddy of Prof.Jones,
jumping in, while Jones is still chickening out to respond on 9/11 TV Fakery : -)

And here below is a list of people, who didn't see or hear anything, starting with some updates not at this link yet.

Don't forget also the "white elephant plane", also witnessed by Diane Saywer, which passed the crime scene at time of second hit.
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/Journal_4_Jet.pdf

15)

http://www.stefangeens.com/000158.html
"...about 20 minutes after the first explosion, a huge fireball erupted out of the South tower, about 2 thirds of the way up. People screamed on the roofs around me, where everybody was beginning to gather. Most memorable is the bright bright orange of that explosion, and also the crispness of it; it's a quality difficult to describe--it's the quality of NOT seeing it on television, at a much higher resolution and in the outdoors, under a clear sky. The boom came later.
It was difficult to know what had just happened. I already knew from the radio that the first explosion had been caused by a plane. Was the second caused by a news helicopter accident? The plane that caused this second explosion had in fact come from behind the tower, so from my vantage point I had not seen it.

16)

http://p066.ezboard.com/fnypdrant64609frm1.showMessage?topicID=43159.top...
"...As I was the only security guy on sight I wasn't able to leave right away. Due to the angle of the buildings I never saw the second plane hit, but could clearly see the results..."

http://911closeup.com/nico/witness_contradictions.html

1)
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/03/10/nicos-timeline-cnns-reality-tv-h...
"...I have witnessed a horrible history. I was supposed to go to NJ for a
seminar. I was on the BQE bridge going into Chinatown, Manhattan, when I saw
an explosion at exactly 8:48am on the first Twin Tower. The radio said that
it was a plane accident. I immediately called my sister in NJ, who normally
has to get to the World Trade Center station (she works for the Mayor's
office, 4 blocks away from WTC). I told her that there has been an accident
and told her to avoid that station. She said that my brother will drive her
to Manhattan instead. I then placed another phone call telling
my best friend to stay away from the area. My friend has jury duty and the
Supreme

Court is 3 blocks away. Suddenly, I saw a second explosion but did not see
the plane.
http://www.geocities.com/vnwomensforum/september11debate.html

(NOTE: BQE Bridge is local slang for Brooklyn Queens Express running over
the Williamsborough Bridhe)

2)
http://www.panix.com/userdirs/timothy/wtc.html
"...We all looked up at the WTC to see one tower on fire. There was a ring
of fire encircling the building one floor...near the top. The floors above
the ring were enshrouded in thick black upwardly rising waves. Every second
or two the fire crept lower--floor by floor---dripping like wax down a
candle.

The thought of those people...they're being incinerated..there's no way to
control that fire. Then a huge fireball--monstrous in size--shot out and
up---like some horribly visible dragon's breath.(this was the fireball from
the impact of the second jet--I didn't realize this until after viewing the
footage of the attack)..."

3)
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=4318
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0110/images/m04.jpg
"...Then out of nowhere came this noise. This loud, high-pitched roar that
seemed to come from all over, but from nowhere in particular. AND THE SECOND
TOWER JUST EXPLODED. It became amazingly obvious to anyone there that what
we all had hoped was a terrible accident was actually an overt act of
hostility. I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANE HIT,ALTHOUGH I WAS LOOKING AT THE TOWER AT
THE TIME. I have no recollection of pushing the button, hitting the shutter,
making the picture that appeared on Page 2 of the Daily News the next day, a
picture that was taken milliseconds after the second plane hit that tower..."

4)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/have_your_say/september_11.shtml
... Gemma McDonald, Houston, Texas: On the morning of September 11. I was
getting ready to go to school, when the news station broke in with breaking
news. They said a plane had hit the world trade center. They were in the
middle of broadcasting that story live, whenever a big fireball appeared out
of the other tower. In order to see what hit the tower. They had to replay
the tape in slow motion. We didn't know what had happened because we didn't
see the plane, because it was so fast. Whenever I did figure out what
happened I got this weird feeling across my body that I can't describe..."

5)
TV'"witness":
http://www.vegasgangonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7574&page=2
"...stood there watching the coverage in the airport until my flight was called.
I saw the explosion in the second tower and thought it was because of the
first tower burning as I didn't see the plane hit. My flight was called
about 9:20 and I boarded the plane, we all sat there until about 9:35 when
the pilot announced taht all flights were cancelled. After I got of the
plane I went back to the TV and saw what was going on.."

6)
Hispano amateur cameraman, who didn't see any object hitting south tower,
while filming both towers:
http://www.cruzate.com/nyhell/3.jpg
Compare with same geograpical position of towers aT Rosalee's site
(Antenna is in the back of second= north tower)
http://www.webfairy.org/2hit/blueplane.htm

http://www.cruzate.com/nyhell
"...When I was back in the roof I saw
just before my eyes the explosion on Tower 2.
I didn't see the plane, nor did any of the other
guys on the roof. We speculated for a few
minutes. The only thing we could imagine was
on of the wings of the first plane hitting the
other tower and provoking the explosion, but
that was very unlikely...."

7)
From an amateur camera clip, camera positioned on both towers:
"...we just saw another explosion (TV comment)...."
Person 1 in room: "...Another explosion Kate..."
Kate: "...i know, i know..." (noone of both refered to any plane)
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/day1-tower2-fireball-only.wmv

8)
Don Dahler vs. ABC
Dahler:
...i didn't see any plane going in...that...that's just exploded...i...
Gibson:
We just saw another plane coming in from the side.
Dahler:
You did?? I...that was ..was...out of my view...
Gibson:
That was a second explosion.
You can see the plane come in just from the right hand side of the screen...
(=> Dahler's witness report 'overruled' by a TV monitor)
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/reporter.didnt.see.plane.wmv

9)
Witness Reporter Winston on NBC, which had same synched W-ABC clip:
the "building is exploding right now"
The studio host doesn't even see his monitor where the same W-ABC footage
shows same black flying object vanishing behind first tower, then followed by explosion and fireball (no sound).
The studio host agrees with street reporter (who didn't report any incoming 'plane', that this explosion must have been forced from 'parts of the first plane..."
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/msnbc_2ndCGIplane_wrongtower_touch.mpg
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/CGIplane_touches_northtower.jpg
(RENDERING UPLOAD MISTAKE)

10)
http://thewebfairy.com/911/bombs/
Witness: NO second plane, it was a bomb....
FOX clip
Reporter Rick Leventhal is whisking witness away: "we heard about tv reports..."

11)
Pilot Witness:
http://www.montclair.edu/pages/alumnilife/alumnilifewinter02/features4.h...
"... I saw a flash and fireball from the top of the World Trade Center.
....Due to the angle and altitude of our flight, I have sometimes experienced the optical illusion of something appearing to hit a building.
We then flew south to the Battery to see if whatever had hit it had gone out the other side. We saw heavy damage on the south side of Tower 1, but saw nothing of substance on the ground or on Tower 2, so we decided to go back north again, all the while just on the water's edge on the Manhattan side at about 900 feet. Ninety seconds after leaving the Battery, in the spot where we had just been looking, the second plane hit the second tower. We never saw the plane, but I could see the flash of the impact from behind us.

12) More amateur tapes showing no planes at 2nd attack (06/02)
Dialogue between guy and his girlfriend:

Man: "...wtf**k. What was that?

Woman: "I don't know"
Man: "..they're f**in bombing it...
Must have been a rocket or something.."

13) Two dudes do not catch any plane

http://tinyurl.com/nhuu6

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137200753344880184&q=9%2F11&pl=...

tower 1 on fire only filmed by amateur and his buddy, then unfortunately shortly edited and started filming again...

"...oh my god..." (amateur camera continues filming after 2nd attack on ST, but no comment on any plane....!!)

dialogue of two dudes continues:

guy 1:
"...that must have been a fukin terrorist attack. Probably that just explode.. that doesn't make any sense, that has...

interrupted by guy 2:
"...How did THAT ONE just catch on fire man?... see this stuff is falling out...

14)Bird "sees" no plane (check out blog below)

Amateur Footage with no plane in it while filming fireball:
all direct video links here:
http://911tvfakery.net/

1)
Saturday, August 05, 2006
Another amateur footage shows no plane hit South Tower (08/05)

2)
Saturday, August 05, 2006
Compare with yet another amateur video, same perspective, explosion, no plane

3)
The "no-plane" bird (07/13)
(now also vlogged at 911CGIwatch.blogspot)

4)
May Archives
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
More amateur tapes showing no planes at 2nd attack (06/02)
http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_911tvfakery_archive.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P8oZIYkoBfE&search=september%2011%20plane

5)
May 1, 2006
Two dudes do not catch any plane
http://tinyurl.com/nhuu6
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2137200753344880184&q=9%2F11&pl=...

6)
March 5, 2006
Dahler doesn't see or hear any plane at the South Tower
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/reporter.didnt.see.plane.wmv

7)
February 2, 2006
Amateur Video of 2nd hit without any clear plane
http://tinyurl.com/lrt45
http://www.bolt.com/audio/audio_player_flv_branded.swf?contentId=170167&...

8)
9/11 CGI: FOX vs CNN (06/28)
Amateur Vid of couple not seeing any plane

and here is one satire fake how can easily do the opposite:
WTC 7 "hit" by a "plane":
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WTC7_plane002.swf

Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:18pm.

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i'm sorry but if people

i'm sorry but if people didn't HEAR or SEE anything....

then they are NOT witnesses (ear or eye), they are just people who were interviewed. these "reports" can be thrown out as bait and switch.

here is control tower who didn't see or hear any plane from the crash last week (which in Nico's world means there was no plane crshed which killed 50 people)

http://www.townhall.com/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ContentGuid=6581b482-59bb-...

"He didn't see the plane turn down a runway too short for it, try to take off and then crash in flames that killing 49 of the 50 people aboard."

here is an article of a glider who didn't see a jet before it crashed into him, therefore there wasn't a jet.

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20060830/NEWS/108300064

"Glider pilot Akihiro Hirao said he didn't see the jet that tore his wing off and sent his craft into a spin, according to Jim Braswell, airport manager at Minden-Tahoe Airport."

take a look at this one.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pTwC9x8yiBoJ:www.lrb.co.uk/v23/n19/f...

this man says he didn't see people jumping out of window, didn't see a plane hit the towers and didnt see the 2nd bulding collapse, therefore....

no one jumped out of windows, no plane hit the towers and the building did not collapse...because this man didn't see any of it.

Submitted by rayrayjones on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:50pm.

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LOL, great post!

Submitted by Dem Bruce Lee Styles on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:52pm.

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"...no one jumped out of

"...no one jumped out of windows, no plane hit the towers and the building did not collapse.."

There was no CGI of jumpers or the collapse. Both was real.
No-Plane witnesses count like Don Dahler, because he was in front of the tower, many others as well.

Also fascinating how you still ignore the passing "white elephant plane " :)

Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 6:06pm.

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Nico wrote

"There was no CGI of jumpers or the collapse. Both was real."

Nico, I read some where that, according to the 911eyewitness film, the North Tower antenna does not sink into the tower like shown on TV, but instead vaporizes into steel powder. Could this mean parts of the collapses were CGI too?

Submitted by CB_Brooklyn on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 8:22pm.

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this type of arguement would

this type of arguement would be purely speculative, and not based on logistical reasoning.. you cant say that because A is not true it must mean that B is true, that type of reasoning is only based on two given possibilites, and relies more on perception than on provable fact.

an example.. charlie didn't shoot the sheriff, so clarke must have.. it just doesn't work that way.. you have to have proof to support any arguement, you can't just say that because of A then B must be true..

asside from that, if a given perception is that everything is fake or doctored, then you can believe in whatever you wish to believe, that does not make it provable, it is merely an opinion, which of course you are more than welcome to have.

Submitted by dz on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 8:34pm.

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Great idea

If posters could clearly identify the witness, source, and whether the reference is to the first or second strike, this could be used as an effective archive.

Submitted by casseia on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:16pm.

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yep, bring it on :)

My list about "2nd" no-plane witnesses is already longer than from the planehuggers - :)

Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:23pm.

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I AM NOT A NO-PLANER

Having said that...

It's clear from the following video of the firemen looking around to determine where the plane is coming from, that they obviously heard something.

I think the CGI theory is a bit out there, but I am a truth seeker so I'll consider anything that is physically possible. Based on the limited research I've done on the subject, it appears that it may be physically possible to create the CGI of planes on video.

Along the same lines, it would also be physically possible to fake the audio of a plane flying low over a city. Yes this could be done on a massive scale. It wouldn't be easy, but sound waves could be directed or dispersed in a manner to make it physically possible to make people think they are hearing a low flying plane. So simply looking to proove that people heard a plane does not necessarily disprove the no-planes theory.

What is interesting to note from the video of the firemen, is that it's obvious that they hear something. What is not so obvious is whether or not they actually SEE the plane. The one fireman looks up to see where the sound is coming from, then he looks back down as if its no big deal for a commercial jet to be flying so low over lower Manhattan. Either that or he did not see it.

Let me be clear, I am NOT no-planer. I am however a truth seeker. I put nothing past this government. NOTHING!

Submitted by Chris Rose on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:24pm.

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"...It's clear from the

"...It's clear from the following video of the firemen looking around to determine where the plane is coming from, that they obviously heard something...."

That is about the 1st hit, not the second.
That video did not include a CGI, but an unidentified military device.
Many witnesses, including the NYPD called it a "missile".
More on that at http://www.911foreknowledge.com

This has nothing to do with the TV Fakery of the second hit, but thanks for your interest in this topic -:)

Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:32pm.

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Why would they fake the 2nd,

Why would they fake the 2nd, but not the 1st hit?

If they were going to fake any at all, why not the 1st because that's the one no body is expecting?

Submitted by Ian Campbell on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 9:17pm.

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The answer is that for the first hit--

they could fly anything, such as a missile or non-commercial plane, into the tower and no one would know better. For the second hit, too many people were looking and they would notice an unusual plane. So they used fakery.

But the other key point is that a plane won't leave a cut-out shape of itself in a tower like that. It's trickery to MAKE you think a plane hit there, but in fact the physics are wrong.

Submitted by spooked (not verified) on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 10:04pm.

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Chris, with the technology

Chris, with the technology our government has, and with the people in it, I agree. No one should put anything past this government. The wilder the idea, the more the people won't believe it.

Submitted by CB_Brooklyn on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 8:26pm.

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No-plane theories

Nico, you are probably already aware that the world seems far different to you than to others. Maybe, just perhaps, it is not you who is sole person alive who is able to interpret facts, see through the haze of interwoven deceptions, and reason clearly. You have a serious condition, and it could be schizophrenia. Please get some help, as you are certainly no saviour to the 9/11 Truth movement without being grounded in reality. You are being held up as an example of the lunatic fringe, which unfortunately, the 9/11 Truth movement collects like free electrons. BTW, I'm MIHOP all the way.

Some symptoms, and this is not a barbed assault, I'm just trying to be helpful.

from www.rethink.org

Delusions
Delusions are strange beliefs that are not based on reality, and are not explained by a person's usual cultural beliefs, such as religious. Delusions may take on different themes. For example, people suffering from paranoid-type symptoms (roughly 1/3 of people with schizophrenia) often have delusions that they are persecuted or plotted against, or false and irrational beliefs that they are being cheated, harassed, poisoned or conspired against. These people often believe that a member of their family or someone close to them is making them happen. Delusions of grandeur, in which a person believes he or she is a famous or important person, may also occur in schizophrenia.

Sometimes the delusions experienced by people with schizophrenia are quite bizarre; for instance, believing that a neighbour is controlling their behaviour with magnetic waves; that people on television are directing special messages to them; or that their thoughts are being broadcast aloud to others. A person experiencing delusions may try to keep them secret, knowing that others would not understand. Other individuals are gradually overwhelmed and begin to act strangely according to the content of the delusional explanations.

Submitted by stuartprovine on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:32pm.

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"...You have a serious

"...You have a serious condition, and it could be schizophrenia. ..."

I'm getting bored from these kind of attacks.
You need a reality check, you are a poor victim of the media matrix
and obviously played too much X-BOX :)

...btw, PNAC- Charles Krauthammer worked already years ago on the idea to declare the whole 9/11 truth movement as schizophrenic.
You're behind the curve.

http://911cgiwatch.blogspot.com/2006/07/total-immersions-augmented-reali...
Total Immersions Augmented Reality Demo

http://www.911tvfakery.net

Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:51pm.

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You're probably bored of

You're probably bored of these kinds of *suggestions* because you hear them all of the time. A pattern, Nico? Luckily, you're the bright light that guides all things, and we can rely on your steadfast leadership and discerning eye for bullshit. Are we saved yet?

Behind the curve? Right. You're a deeply troubled person, and you should just stop this nonsense and check yourself into a mental hospital. It's either now, or be committed by someone later. We've suffered through this enough, you should make some CGI of yourself disappearing now.

I don't play X-box, but I help make the games sometimes.

Good luck,
S.

Submitted by stuartprovine on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 6:04pm.

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...so you're saying that the

...so you're saying that the following persons who are supportive of the topic, are "mentally ill"? :

9/11 Truth Speakers like 'Candidate' Craig Hill, Ian McFerran (UK 9/11 Truth Movement), Jimmy Walter, Rev H Thorpe Saxton, Lenny Bloom, Dennis Morrisseau (9/11 Truth Candidate), Ralph Charles Whitley, Sr.(decorated American Veteran of One), Thomas J Mattingly (McClendon Group/National Press Club DC), David Shayler (ex-MI5), plus ex-9/11 Scholar Morgan Reynolds, 9/11 scholar Judy Cunningham and 15 other scholars who signed our petition on that matter:

Stevan Douglas Looney (Attorney), Ray "Titus" Sanborn (SA), Rick Siegel, Steven E. Jones, Michael Morrissey (University of Kassel, Germany), Brian Duncan (Fire Protection Engineering), Judy Wood, Brian Vernon, Alexander Dent, Brad Mayeux, Veronica Chapman, Andrew Johnson, Rick Rajter, Cathy Garger and Andrew Lowe Watson

Plus a growing support at 911blogger.com, with bloggers like Shep, KRobjoe, James Ha, CB_Brooklyn, Spooked, Peggy Carter, Killtown etc etc...

So they're all mentally ill?

I think the only "games" you make are fantasy adventures
Get a free ticket at Jurassic Park. You really need it :)

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Submitted by ewing2001 on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 6:25pm.

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