Rice Loyalist Headed 9/11 Commission Probes

Rice Loyalist Headed 9/11 Commission Probes
02 October 2006

Bob Woodward's State of Denial provides evidence of the politicization of the 9/11 Commission's investigative process, conclusions, and certain omissions from its report, as well as then national security advisor Condoleezza Rice's likely role in burying unflattering, damning evidence through the appointment of Bush/Rice loyalist Philip Zelikow (PHOTO RIGHT) as the Commissions' chief investigator and Zelikow's reward (perhaps) of a top senior-level position in the State Department, which Rice now heads. First, some background.

One of the burning questions in newspapers, cable TV news, and blogs is why the 9/11 Commission report did not mention the July 10, 2001 meeting called by then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, with then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. Tenet and Black hoped to impress on Rice the compelling need to act immediately against bin Laden because there was "a huge volume of data" suggesting strongly that a major attack was imminent.

"But both men came away from the meeting feeling that Ms. Rice had not taken the warnings seriously," writes Woodward.

The July 10 meeting between Tenet, Black and Rice went unmentioned in the various reports of investigations into the Sept. 11 attacks, but it stood out in the minds of Tenet and Black as the starkest warning they had given the White House on bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Though the investigators had access to all the paperwork on the meeting, Black felt there were things the commissions wanted to know about and things they didn't want to know about. (From "Two Months Before 9/11, an Urgent Warning to Rice," the Washington Post's excerpt of Bob Woodward's new book, State of Denial)

Woodward says the 9/11 investigators "had access to all the paperwork on the meeting." But Black suggests that the commissioners didn't want to hear about some the history, so the July 10 meeting got left out of the 9/11 Commission report.

Why? Perhaps it's that the Commission's investigation was politicized, and its investigators beholden to Ms. Rice.

The executive director of the 9/11 Commission was Philip D. Zelikow, a longtime intimate of Ms. Rice. Since February 2005, Zelikow has served with now-Secretary of State Rice in a "Senior Official" position as "Counselor of the United States Department of State."

In March 2004, Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman interviewed former Senator Max Cleland of Georgia, who served on the 9-11 commission. Goodman began the segment with a background report:

A pair of public interest groups, the 9-11 Family Steering Committee and the 9-11 Citizens Watch have called for the resignation of the Director of the Independent 9-11 Commission, Phillip Zelikow. It turns out that in Richard Clarke's book, he reveals how Zelikow participated in Bush administration briefings on Al Qaeda prior to 9-11 and they're saying that this compromises him, since the mandate of the commission was to investigate the source of failures. It is now apparent why they said there has been so little effort to assign individual culpability. We can now see that trail would lead to the staff Director himself.

Cleland told Goodman about the Commission members' difficulties in obtaining documents: "President Bush personally has nixed the effort of the 9-11 Commission to get all the documents in the White House, especially the Presidential daily briefs." "[T]he White House has played cover-up and a slow walk to this game from the beginning," Cleland said. "The commission had to subpoena the F.A.A. for documents, had to subpoena NORAD for documents and they will never get the full story," the former senator noted.

In "Clinton Aides Plan to Tell Panel of Warning Bush Team on Qaeda," a March 20, 2004 New York Times story, Richard Clarke points to Philip Zelikow's active participation in pre-9/11 briefings on the Al Qaeda threat:

One official scheduled to testify, Richard A. Clarke, who was President Bill Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, said in an interview that the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that he led.

At the time of the briefings, there was extensive evidence tying Al Qaeda to the bombing in Yemen two months earlier of an American warship, the Cole, in which 17 sailors were killed.

"It was very explicit," Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the Bush administration officials. "Rice was briefed, and Hadley was briefed, and Zelikow sat in."

On March 20, 2004, LeftCoaster blog's Steve Soto wrote that "[i]t should be noted that Zelikow is the Bush Administration plant on the Commission, as he is serving as the panels Executive Director." Soto quoted another section of the NYT story:

They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.

Mr. Zelikow, [then] the director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia and a co-author of a 1995 book with Ms. Rice, has been the target of repeated criticism from some relatives of Sept. 11 victims. They have said his membership on the Bush transition team and his ties to Ms. Rice pose a serious conflict of interest for the commission, which is investigating intelligence and law-enforcement actions before the attacks.

Mr. Clarke said if Mr. Zelikow left any of the White House intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 without understanding the imminent threat posed by Al Qaeda, "he was deaf."

It's also very likely that Zelikow knew of then-NSA adviser Rice's meeting with the anxious George Tenet and Cofer Black.

ThinkProgress guest blogger Peter Rundlet, who was a Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, notes that Tenet, Black and Rice were interviewed by the Commission several times, and claims that "none of them described [the July 10, 2001] meeting." Rundlet suggests a possible "cover-up", and takes to task Cofer Black for asserting that the Commission didn't want to know about certain information.

The notion that both the 9/11 Commission and the Congressional Joint Inquiry that investigated the intelligence prior to 9/11 did not want to know about such essential information is simply absurd. At a minimum, the withholding of information about this meeting is an outrage. Very possibly, someone committed a crime. And worst of all, they failed to stop the plot.

In " 9/11 Panel Members Weren’t Told of Meeting," the New York Times story on October 1, 2006, "Zelikow said that it was 'entirely plausible' that a meeting occurred on July 10" but that "the commissioners and their staff had heard nothing in their private interviews with Mr. Tenet and Mr. Black to suggest that they had made such a dire presentation to Ms. Rice or that she had rebuffed them."

If Cofer Black's account is true -- and George Tenet should be able to verify that the July 10, 2001 meeting took place (has anyone interviewed Tenet yet?) -- he also needs to reveal if he and/or Tenet told the 9/11 Commission about the meeting. Woodward's book, best I can tell, doesn't make that clear.

But, the partisanship and the White House's CYA-trumps-the-truth attitude make the selection of Philip Zelikow as the chief investigative official of the 9/11 Commission suspect, and make all continuing suspicions plausible.


More on Zelikow's involvement with Condi Rice, and his duties at the Dept. of State:

Zelikow joined the National Security Council in the George Herbert Walker Bush administration, at the same time as Condoleezza Rice. ... Philip Zelikow has co-authored many books. ... He wrote Germany Unified and Europe Transformed with Condoleezza Rice. ... Philip Zelikow served on President Bush's transition team in 2000-2001. After George W. Bush took office, Zelikow was named to a position on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and worked on other task forces and commissions as well, including the National Commission on Federal Election Reform. (Wikipedia bio)

Zelikow was also the author of "War on Terrorism," a revisionary document put out by Rice to explain events leading up to 9/11. James Mann, the author of the Rise of the Vulcans, revealed:

... when Richard Haass, a senior aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell and the director of policy planning at the State Department, drafted for the administration an overview of America’s national security strategy following September 11, Dr. Rice, the national security advisor, "ordered that the document be completely rewritten. She thought the Bush administration needed something bolder, something that would represent a more dramatic break with the ideas of the past. Rice turned the writing over to her old colleague, University of Virginia Professor Philip Zelikow.” This document, issued on September 17, 2002, is generally recognized as a watershed document in the War on Terrorism.

Zelikow is on the State Dept.'s short list of "Senior Officials" -- just below Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs -- Karen Hughes. The Senior Officials page describes Zelikow's responsibilities: "The Counselor is a principal officer who serves the Secretary as a special advisor and consultant on major problems of foreign policy and who provides guidance to the appropriate bureaus with respect to such matters."

A search of the Dept. of State Web site shows Zelikow's wide-ranging international work for the Dept. of State.


Special thanks to Brenda Stewart (and her great memory) for reminding me of Zelikow's key role in the 9/11 Commission hearings and report.

Show "The Unifying Theory of 9/11" by Einstein

Sorry - utterly BS

there may be islamic terrorism, but at least since 1991 it is controlled by western intelligence.

I list a few names you can check:

Emad Salem, Jose Padilla, Josie Hadas, Abdel Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, Abdussattar Shaikh, Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel.

And there's more: LIHOP could not secure the Bush admin.

This is a great thread....

It's great when keeping up with commentary is tough. I'm just going to drop in a few things here, even though these may have already been said.

Sorry, I think not utter BS, SB.

Your succinct example fits like a glove INTO the bigger picture, where the original handlers know full well the Frankenstein they created... and knowingly let it loose upon the country side. A combination of Making the monster, and then Letting it loose.

Even the weirdly conjoined interests of Bin Saddam. One, had a highly mythologized motive, while the other had motives in black and green... yet both served very useful character plots nebulously twisted against their own truer motives. In one track of analysis, Bin Hand-Waved served the greater objective of distraction immediately after 9/11, because talking about Saddam WITHOUT the Bin Foil, would have been talking about something too close to reality... Saddam's extraordinary threat to FED stability. "Can't touch Saddam until Bin Boogieman is well established."

Unification Theory....

The 'confluence of interests' calculous, helps to understand the meshing of plots, both the malevolent ones SAME as those in the tragically-misguided category. As per my comment to Sittingbull above, the "making" and "letting" dynamics spread like wild fire when people are separated by different and/or often mutually exclusive world views ("Islam is a gem of predomina[nt]ly enlightened civility" VS. "Islam promotes radicals predomina[te]ly") which in and of themselves become unreconcilable in a peaceful way so long as ignorance holds sway, be it by habit or intention.

Maybe we could call it; Massad-O-Muslim-fanaticism, a conflagration fire, happily stoked by Christ-O-fascists.


"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.


Your LIHOP/MIHOP theory is good, especially for converting those still without an acronym, but there's always a critical problem with LIHOP... are we really going to believe that PNAC would leave the creation of a world dominated by super-soldiers, UAVs, and space lasers in the hands of a few flaky coke- sniffing psychopaths? What if one of the pilots got scared at the last second, or missed the building... Or the passengers prevented the takeover? Would they have just dismantled all the bombs, and waited for a second chance?

Worst case scenario (to them) was that the plot failed and they got busted for it. If they did get away clean after the failure, that would still leave them without any justification for a long- term agenda. Therefore, every logistical and operational issue of the attacks would most likely have been completely under neocon control. The only role of Al Quaeda and the 'hijackers' was to create a patsy/cover story - and in this case, coke- sniffing psychopaths are the perfect people to turn to. If Bin Laden had been out recruiting ex- Saudi or Iranian Air Force pilots, I might have bought LIHOP.... but I just don't think Cheney is that stupid, given who the hijackers supposedly were.

Nevertheless, I do support LIHOP as an intermediary strategy that will hopefully result in a new investigation within a relatively short period of time. Anyway, just to make this post somewhat on-topic, here's a great excerpt from Zelikow's bio on wikipedia:

Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene.

Earth to Einstein

There is no sense in continuing to try to preserve the myth of Islamofascism. The M in your equation stands for Mossad. Disingenuously downplaying Israeli intelligence involvement in spying on America before, during, and after 9/11, as well as the presence of Mossad agents in New York celebrating the burning towers and claiming that Palestinians were responsible has ONE effect: it strengthens the conviction of people who see Israel and its many partisans in the US as deceitful and out of control fanatics. You're playing with fire, buddy--the jig is up.

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

right on.

right on.


Myopia, (near-sightedness), fails to grasp the big picture. To a myopia sufferer, nearby objects are seen clearly but distant objects appear blurred.

In this movement are those who very clearly grasp what happened by demolition to the WTC and to the Pentagon strike. They grasp completely the NORAD stand-down orders of Dick Cheney. This was an inside job, and it is right there in front of our faces for us to see.

I cannot argue with any of that. But what appears blurred to many of them is the rise, on a distant shore, of a threatening enemy, which YES, is Islamo-fascism.

It is, like one blogger, put it, a Frankenstein, created by the western New World Order, (a Dr. Frankenstein, if you would) which is also fascist in nature. Like father, like son.

What has happened though is this: Frankenstein has turned against Dr. Frankenstein and has gained a life of its own. To say that Frankenstein (Islamo-fascism) doesnt exist is a ridiculously flawed point of view, and regretfully one that is most associated with the MIHOP believers, whose view of distant realities is blurred.

These people must think Muslim suicide bombers don't exist. They must think EVERY attack against American interests by Muslims is a false flag operation.

For this reason, a majority of Americans look at these people and say, "Are they clueless?"

It is time for unification, folks.

i dont think that a majority

i dont think that a majority of us believe that there are absolutely no islamic arabs that wish us ill will, if anything we have intentionally spurred on any ill will in the past few years which is responsible for the growing anger that exists - and is intentionally blown out of proportion.

btw, you stated this earlier, i'm wondering why you think saddam was planning on attacking America, and what evidence you have to support that viewpoint?
quote: It's really very elementary. Saddam and bin Laden were planning to attack America on 9/11.

King George of the Universe, Master of Squat.

Maybe not the majority, but calling "bogus" on the idea of fanatical radicals has been done by the truth movement at times, and occasionally still. Others have also tried to limit the scope of this islam-o-fascism to some kind of post 9/11 world... also incorrect.

Saddam was a threat to the Dollar. He would have debased it [from his oil] if he had stayed in Office (if Bushy Boy is the ultimate power in his known universe, Saddaaam was at least in an Office.)

I don't know about "in on it together"... but Saddam COULD have sparked America's Currency implosion sooner than later. (btw, American economy is an entirely different thing apart and separable from the FED's Dollar... just in case someone didn't know.)

"The truth shall make you free." Why not make the truth free? We live on a priceless blue pearl, awash in a universe of fire and ice. Cut the crap.


Yes but the questions is, were those Islamic Extremists independently capable of causing 9/11, and the evidence is clearly NO. Not without NORAD drills/stand-down, demolitions, facilitation by Intellegence agencies, flight-school trainign at military bases, etc.

To maintain a TRUE LIHOP scenario, you have to ignore too much evidence of active facilitation, and so in a sense comes back to MIHOP. The real question revolves around extent of the real threat from Al Qaeda, independent of Western Intelligence agencies. I would argue that it is certainly much smaller than perceived, if it exists at all.

What, I think we are really arguing about when considering LIHOP vs. MIHOP is whether it was MIHOP through a funded, trained and facilitated intermediary of Islamic Extremism, or whether it was MIHOP without the involvment of genuinely-intended Islamic radicals, which was then blamed on Islamic radicals.

I would argue, as D.R. Griffin does, that this distinction is trivial at best - both morally and politically. There are many people who have been convicted of murder and even executed without having actually "pulled the trigger" themselves.

Salman Pak

The evidence of Saddam and bin Ladins involvement in 9-11 is the Salman Pak training center by the Tigris River in Iraq. Two Iraqi defectors, Abu Zeinab and Sabah Khodad, testified to its use as a training ground for bin Ladin's Wahhabi sect militants. Satellite photos cooberate their account, showing Boeing 707s being used at the training center to train in hijacking.

This is clear evidence of State sponsored terrorism. Saddam was the head of state at the time.

Then you need to review the Atta-Prague connection. Atta meeting with Iraqi Mukhabarat agent, al-Ani.

This is evidence of Saddams involvement. Proof would have to be determined in an international court of inquiry.

Im sure we would all agree that an independent investigation of 9-11 is needed in order for true justice to be served.


Believing that some acts of terrorism are committed by Arab Muslims is completely different than believing in the Orwellian doublespeak meme "Islamofascism."

I won't be "unifying" with any "anti-Islamofascists" any sooner than I plan to hook up with the local white supremacists.

The Real Frankenstein Monster

Stopping terrorism is simple. Just quit screwing around with other people's countries and the terrorists will go home. But the government of the United States wants to go on screwing around with other people's countries, refuses to stop, indeed views it as Manifest Destiny for the United States Government to persist in screwing around with other people's countries, and views the inconvenience, increased tax burden, loss of civil liberties, and even deaths among the American people as just another cost of doing business. ~ Michael Rivero

Einstein is a _________

"Islamofascism is nothing but an empty propaganda term. And wartime propaganda is usually, if not always, crafted to produce hysteria, the destruction of any sense of proportion. Such words, undefined and unmeasured, are used by people more interested in making us lose our heads than in keeping their own." —Joseph Sobran

For this reason, a majority of 911 Truthers look at this "Einstein" fraud and say, "Are you a babbling idiot?"

It's time to turn off his E=MC2, folks.

Myopia, indeed!


Lee Hamilton

911, Warren and Iran Contras commissions were chaired by Lee Hamilton. What a coincidence that the 3 of them were a whitewash and all three had this person involved.

coincidence theory explains that

Don't you conspiracy theorists get it?? these weird coincidences happen all the time! In addition, one coincidence has a way of breeding other coincidences, so when they start to pile up in a way that you nutjob conspiracy therorists think implies some kind of "willful intent to deceive", they're really just obeying well established laws of nature. 9/11 is proof positive. Basically a few minor coincidences that day snowballed, as is NORMAL, into huge frikkin coincidences that will always look like criminal conspiracies to people obsessed with analyzing the facts surrounding any given situation instead of trusting the conventional (i.e. CORRECT, according to Occam's Razer) explanation offered by the people who know best (those in charge of protecting us.)

I hope one day you can all come back to reality and help us defeat the Islamofascists. They obviously have stumbled onto a secret method of manipulating coincidences to their advantage, which makes them even more dangerous than regular Arab muslims. By influencing the coincidences like Silverstein's friendship with Netanyahu, the mysterious collapse of three steel framed buildings for the first and only time in history on the same day, the presence of Mossad agents in the area in a van with boxcutters and large amounts of cash, the Islamofascists hope to sow discord between America and her best friend and sincerest ally Israel.

How many more coincidences have to occur before all you nutjob tinfoil hat people see past your anti-semitism to the REAL THREAT?? ISLAMOFASCIST COINCIDENTAL WARFARE!!!

Spencer in Salt Lake

heheh :)

I also wanted to point out the most interesting information about Zelikow, which is IMO MUCH more significant than his connections to Rice:

Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. In the United States, beliefs about the formation of the nation and the Constitution remain powerful today, as do beliefs about slavery and the Civil War. World War II, Vietnam, and the civil rights struggle are more recent examples.” He has noted that “a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make a connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all” ("Thinking about Political History," Miller Center Report [Winter 1999], pp. 5-7). In the November-December 1998 issue of Foreign Affairs, he co-authored an article entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism,” in which he speculated that if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, “the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.”

Yet another coincidence, that the guy controlling and directing the research for the 9/11 commission is the ONE guy most qualified to create and maintain a redefining national myth?

Barrett's intro of Fetzer was right on, too....

since when did Rumsfeld

since when did Rumsfeld start blogging here?

you got his known-unknown crazy talk down cold

Too Funny

Great satire.

Why the -4 points?, this is hilarious....in a Stephen Colbert-esqe fashion...he mocks the people who spew this out with their own words....

Itchy trigger fingers

People are so relieved to have a way to handle trolls that they're punching that down arrow before they even try to figure things out, if they're subtle.


I might be wrong, but I don't think Lee Hamilton was even on the Warren Commission. Please direct me to your source.

Saddam & 9/11

"Saddam and bin Laden were planning to attack America on 9/11."

Saddam certainly had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not sure about bin Laden.

Saddam and Bin Laden? what

Saddam and Bin Laden? what the hell re you smoking? you are the 2nd person in as many days on this site to try and say that Saddam was involved with 9/11. do i really need to explain to you how laughable that is?


If you start out with LIHOP, and then facilitate it with MIHOP, IT IS MIHOP.

Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.

Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.
Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.
Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.
Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.
Saddam Hussein had NOTHING to do with 911.
Get your facts straight.
And do me a favor Einstein tell some other people around you this truth also, because still 30-50% of the people still think Saddam had WMD and helped with 911.
But Sadam had neither WMD nor did he have anything to do with 911.
Even Bush publically acknowledged this a few weeks ago.
The facts say this !!!

And Bin Laden is a member of Al Qaeda which was created by the CIA to fight the soviets.
And the ISI (the Pakistan CIA) is in bed with the US CIA.
And the ISI supported the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
And ths ISI gave money to Atta in Sept 2001.
And the head of the ISI was in Washington Sept 4-13 2001 meeting with Tenet and even Bush.
And on top of that the FBI has no warrant to arrest Bin Laden for 911.
google Paul Thompsons timeline
google Muckraker report

So, is Bin Laden separate from the insiders if even he helped with 911 which he, Bush and FBI have denied.

So man Einstein your not even a kindergarten detective.
You really must do some more reading because you are seriously lacking the facts.

And I think your unifying theory is off focus.
I think that the main unifying theory should be that we must have a 911 investigation immediately.
We are not satisfied with the 911 Commission report at all.
It must be independent.
We must get all the facts.
We must have impartial judges.
It must be open to public scrutiny.
It must be able to get documents unclassified.
It must have subpeona power.
And then the LIHOPpers must be open to the facts if they speak to MIHOP.
And vice versa.
And if we cannot do it in the US because of the unwillingness of the govt then we must start one in Europe.
It must start NOW.

My own opinion is that 911 was a MIHOP operation.
Too many smoking guns for it to be LIHOP.

And Einstein your notion of raging Muslim terrorism.
i see very little evidence for it.
If it does exist then it is .1% of the debacle of the toll that traffic accidents alone have on this nation every year.
There must be 50.000 car fatalities every year and 200.000 people are probably maimed.

I think you need to quit watching TV.
Read about false flag attacks.
google Gulf of Tonkin
google Operation Northwoods.
google Alex Jones Terrorstorm (listen to his video)
google false flag attacks
google Reichstag fire


OSAMA AND SADDAM? hELLO................

Creating Myths for the State

Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene.

from wikipedia, I wonder where that quote's from 



You beat me by two minutes... funny we had the exact same chunks of text...

Pretty incredible quote though, even just based on the stuff that is 'in his words'. What better credentials for someone thats going to construct one of the grandest 'public myths' of all time. Makes you wonder why they even bothered to try and appoint Kissinger in the first place, given the implications that would obviously bring with it. It seems like Kean and Zelikow made a great team. Of course, Zelikow/Kissinger would have probably kicked ass too...

Haha yeah

...it's a keeper. That quote is posted about four times on this thread, so no one can miss it. Sometimes I take that wiki page out with me when I do outreach, because it's just so unbelievable you have to see it in black and white for yourself. People read this and they are horrified, as well they should be. What a sicko.



I wonder...

If Mr. Johnson is coming around...

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

COULD it be that the latest

COULD it be that the latest 'who knew what and where' also be a big cover up, they all blame eachother, just another case of incompetence? it diverts people away from thinking of who orchastrated it.

Who knows, it a mystery, but i guess if someone within the govenment did plan the attack it would be designed to confuse people.

Designed to make people

Designed to make people think, well if they had evidence of a imminent attack before 9/11 then the Bush admin etc couldn't have orchastrated it, so therefore there must be a real deadly sophisticated enemy out there.

Although they could still have been behind the attacks and used double agents within the ISI in pakistan, the ISI with the help of the CIA latch onto al quada and help there operations.

The only reason I posted this is because it's an expose on zelik

nothing more nothing less, the seasoned researchers should be able to gleen the important info out of here.

Ben-Veniste confirmed to

Ben-Veniste confirmed to McClatchy Newspapers that Tenet outlined for the 9/11 commission the July 10 briefing to Rice in secret testimony in January 2004. He referred questions about why the commission omitted any mention of the briefing in its report to Zelikow, the report's main author. Zelikow didn't respond to e-mail and telephone queries from McClatchy Newspapers.

Rumsfeld, Ashcroft received warning of al Qaida attack before 9/11

McClatchy Newspapers

Put it all together

Since the questioning of Clinton about his abilities of keeping intelligence info up to speed, some things have been revealed, but still the MSM will not continue to harp on what is now lies told by the very same people who had earlier said they didn't know anything about the warnings before 9/11.
But still Bush's power continues to grow towards dictatorship.
The status quo remains in place, and the largest helper of it all is Congress. Despite the Presidents dismal ratings, the politicians continue to move us toward ruination. And the MSM continues to not report on the key elements of this miserable policy within this government, and those intellectuals who are supposed to be so smart think that 9/11 truthers are crazy.
Who the hell is paying them off? That is what needs to be found out. Or who is threatening whom? Who is the most greedy? Who has the most influence? My thoughts are to the last question..Whoever has this much influence can bring all government weight to bear, they even have bought off Congress in some ways and more than likely blackmailed some in other ways. To let us continue on and speculate on 9/11, they press on and the agenda keeps moving on. We need to Unite..... ASAP

Yeah, Zelikow is as dirty as

Yeah, Zelikow is as dirty as they come...  I really hope he is hanged for treason.

read this from wikopedia

read this from wikopedia aboult zelikow

Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene.

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