Mid Week Open Thread

Open thread, have at it!

Two very important

Two very important

Marketing, again...

The bottom line is this. We all know they lied. We know that a serious band of crazies is running the USA, and worse still, none of them were actually elected! Still, we, the constituents, have done very little to 'cause' our own leaders to bring 9/11 to a trial, which is unthinkable.

Any good Constitutional lawyer should know how to make this happen. The mere fact there is a stalemate, and that we paid for a fake investigation, indicates a critical need to force Congress to adopt a policy of reform. This is our last chance to reclaim the basic tenents of the Bill of Rights, but unless Joe Six-pack gets that, we are bound to experience upheaval instead.

We know there is currently a big push to merge the USA with Mexico, something so illogical I would never have imagined it in my lifetime.

Our personal options, as native resident citizens, are looking so bleak that I don't consider it safe to live here anymore. Mind you, I've actively threatened the FBI's position when I submitted my real-life testimony. People are really starting to get the implications, therein. I'm getting dozens of calls lately, all of which is surprising to say the least. I think one guy may have been a nark who called today, but I'm happy to entertain them too, nonetheless.

There you have it. Option 'A,' is to board a boat for the Islands, mon, while Option 'B,' is to stay and fight. Ask Chris Bollyn what he thinks of these options and he's sure to tell you to play it safe, not sorry. Not that my life matters to anyone, but I would consider it a most signifigant event if more than one of my personal friends had recently left home: "Because of 9/11." Mike Ruppert's patented bi-line certainly rings true from the standpoint of group think: "My Country is Dead!" - Capiche?

OK, enough. I've only got one new idea in as many days:
(Freewayblogger acceptable sign idea):

Seek Help! "911blogger.com"

Just as this is the best forum, a special group of us ought to be centered around true guerrila marketing tactics. So far, we have done almost nothing to maximize on the specialized/partioned nature of our skills-group(s).

Shoe-bombs aren't the only instruments of modern warefare.

Stop Hardcore disinfo!

There is going around poeple that claim to be part of the truth movement, and distracting by making us distrust Jones and the site 911truth.org.

Look this is all that join claims of the fall of the twin towers:

I've seen many David Ray grifin documentaries


Judge griffin for yourself in that video, ive seen wild claims that grifin, Steven jones is misleading the truth movement, when they have focused on the points that have been ommited on the official truth, they have been wild claims that those authors have spoken things that are out of norm.

Pleas do not waste your time in the disinfo that is being thrown out at this moment.

If 911truth.org would want to suppress the truth then why would they let this kinds of post on thier website:




A lot of websites have been made to pretend and have documents of all this sources to confuse us.
Beware and look at the content of those that they want us to distrust.

Misinformation will be spotted.

The 9/11 Chronicles: Destroying a Crime Scene

The following excellent editorial has been edited down to the most important points. The full version may be found here: The 9/11 Chronicles: Destroying a Crime Scene.

Unbelievably, he has received no feedback on the editorial yet.

Bill Hare 08/26/2006 07:54:25 PM EST

When it comes to 9/11, the very crisis that prompted the Giuliani national boomlet..., many questions remain unanswered. Some of the most disturbing questions arise from the discovery and subsequent comments of Scott Forbes...

Scott Forbes was an employee of Fiduciary Trust, a firm located on floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower of the World Trade Center. Forbes reported that over the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, floors 50 and above of the South Tower experienced a power down, meaning that all electrical currents were shut off for about 36 hours...

Forbes lived near the World Trade Center in Jersey City. When he viewed the conflagration of 9/11 from his home he immediately related it to the events of the previous weekend...

Guiliani served in the Justice Department during the Reagan years... To tamper with a crime scene is a felony... So what was trained prosecutor Giuliani's response, the same Giuliani who was U.S. Attorney for the district embracing New York City, the nation's largest metropolis?

Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had completed the destruction of the Murtagh [sic] Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, disposing of all evidence in the process...

This is what we need

There you go this is what we should be focusing on, not on disinfo, look at the evidence and what the goverment fail to do about mantaining the evidence, hiding video and audio tapes, and support a half baked story of the happenings of 911 that has so many wholes you can fly a boing 757 throght it.

Not all OKC evidence was destroyed by Controlled Demo

As the news reports from OK that day reveal, the unexploded bombs were defused and seized by... the FBI. Bill Clinton knew, and the order to suppress had to be OK with him, if not coming from him.

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers


Now, who ordered the powerdown? And, who were some of the people seen entering and existing the building and working on these floors at the time?

Good questions right? Now if only someone had the cojones to investigate this!

jeff king audio clips (MIT Engeneer)

Jeff King aka "MIT Engeneer" from 9/11 Revisisted, aka Plague Puppy. Two great audio clips that I made from a Webster Tarpley interview.... first is a great little explation of the controlled demolition.... the second is more speculation, but very mind opening... definately made me think... have a listen, jeff king has some of the most down to earth explanations of 9/11.




(btw... i got a new front page, check it out... http://truth911.net ) view in firefox.



Great stuff--thanks.
Although the second one is likely to upset the plane huggers...

ya, it will upset the plane

ya, it will upset the plane huggers... i have to admit, until i heard this, i was one myself. Though i'm not totally on board with nico or the no plane theory, i think it's something i'm going to start to look into. The tv fakery arguments i've seen havn't been too convincing, but jeff king's physical explanation made a lot of sense to me. for the record, i havn't crossed over to the dark side yet (the no-plane theory), but it's something i definately want to start looking into more. i respect the opinion of jeff king and i realize that he has a lot of expertise in this field (far more so than me). His lecture in 9/11 revisited under "MIT Engeneer", is one of my favourites. in any case, the stuff he talked about that i put in the second mp3, really blew my mind. It made me think, and reconsider what i thought i knew to be true. It's been a long time since i've heard new 9/11 information that really made me think twice.

Why risk cartoon planes when real ones work just fine?

Why risk cartoon planes when real ones work just fine? Case closed for me and anyone else with a brain.

Upset the plane-huggers?

Why? Please tell me you're not referring to the guy saying "it looked like a bad special effect"?

I'm done! Never again am I going to try and listen to any of you clowns who promote this crap. I swear to God it's like trying to listen to a bunch of Goddamed braindead f'ing retards.

A mini-documentary on the no-planers

There is a mini-documentary in the works based on the research of the no-planers.

Early indications, from early test audiences, indicate that the segments are very funny. People outright laugh at some of the so-called "research'.

Let me give you one example. Nico Haupt wrote an article regarding the tiny problem of all those pesky witnesses who actually SAW the planes.

He handles this by producing witnesses who 'saw nothing.'


Of course- these 'witnesses' could have been looking away - or running away - or milking their cows in Idaho - or had their view obstructed by the building, etc etc.

The idea that you can stretch this tortured logic to simply negate all of the thousands of eyewitnesses (myself included) who actually SAW planes, is beyond ridiculous - it is criminal.

Test audiences laugh heartily at the research presented.

But more importantly it is my hope that this mini-documentary can turn the wrath of the 9/11 community against those who seek to poison our agenda with these poison pills. Once we realize who these people are - we can deal with them - and i hope they realize the depth of anger this community feels on the issue of 9/11.

Evan Fairbanks Film

Fairbanks mpg. If you have a good player, you can watch it frame by frame. This will also upset the "plane huggers".


Or embedded here :


I see

A plane flying into a building clear as a bell.

Anyone stupid enough to think that 100+ Tons of metal going 500MPH was going to do anything different than what is clearly shown has no concept of simple physics.

Loose Change on History Channel on 9/11

I have seen on U-tube that the History Channel is going to show Loose Change 2nd Edition on 9/11. Can anybody verify this? If it is true, then do any here think they will spin it a particular way. Or diss it somehow? Who owns the History Channel and why would they be sympathetic to 9/11 Truth? I know, for example, that the National Geographic Channel is mostly owned by Rupert Murdock. So obviously, that channel would not be a truthful venue. But the History Channel?

Any help would be appreciated.


From what i hear its going

From what i hear its going to air in New Zealand and Australia.. hopefully others catch on.

Don't know for certain but I

Don't know for certain but I think it's owned by AOL-Time Warner, which brings you CNN aka the CIA News Network (see the article by Dave McGowan). If the rumor about Loose Change is true that's really bizarre, and not just because the station usually only shows WWII footage. Can't make heads or tails of it.

Perhaps certains factions of the elite are playing with the idea of exposing the neocons. However, an exposure of this magnitute would basically spell the end of the American experiment -- which perhaps is what some of these people want and perhaps is what is destined to happen. So if they DO intend on hanging Cheney out do dry, get ready for a bumpy ride.

Also, the neocons would rather have WWIII and the death of billions than end up in front of a firing squad themselves. Such is the nature of psychopathic personalies or "pps", and we dont' need Kurt Vonnegut to tells as that every last one of these cretins are indeed psychopaths. So yeah, if exposure is on the horizon it's WWIII unless a military coup prevents it. Sometimes I wish they would just stop playing these stupid games and declare an outright dictatorship, then we could get on with the business of building a decent society from the bottom up.

My personal opinion is that a coup will not happen, 911 will not be exposed by the slightly less deranged faction of the elite, Iran will go ahead, REAL terror attacks will become a daily occurrence, a high-tech police state will be imposed across the West, a few freedoms will be left intact, possibly even the internet, and our lives will be a living hell for about a decade, during which time a worldwide resistace movement will begin to take shape the likes of which we can't even imagine.

Or maybe we'll just go up in smoke and the cockroaches will take over.

End Rant

Danse, I fear your Orwellian post may be accurate

Danse, I fear your fascinating Orwellian post may be more accurate than we all hope!

LC2ed on History Channel

The History Channel does play films of 911. So far I have yet to see one that suggests anything other than the official conspiracy. I hope that they play LC2, and you know if they do, all hell will break loose! I hope someone can verify this--how exciting!

I am curious to see the abc film premiere of "The Path to 911". I know it probably will not come right out and say exactly what we want, but from the commercials, it really looks like it might be the first major main stream production and showing that will question a hell of a lot more than the sheeple have done so far. I think it will certainly make some be more interested in alternative theories, they may come away with a more revisionist idea. And that, that is good for something I hope.

not so far

So far the History Channel's website doesn't show anything about Loose Change.
Hopefully they are just keeping quiet until that day? I know, it is probably not going to happen.

What exactly did you see on You Tube?

i cant imagine your right. i

i cant imagine your right. i hope you are, but the day History Channel plays a film like Loose Change 2E is the day pigs start flying. i'll believe it when i see it and only when i see it.


I just checked the loose change website and Dylan Avery posted in their blog that it is showing on the History Channel in AUSTRALIA! WTF?
I think we need to bombard our US History Channel and ask them why not here????
BUT, I am afraid that could possibly backfire and then they won't play it in Australia or anywhere. What do you guys think? I guess that is something the LC guys have already considered. ARRRGGGG!!!! This is so frustrating!!!!!!!


out of boredom I checked out the viewerguide for LC2E. An obvious attempt to debunk virtually every aspect of the film. The author attempts to prove that building 7 fell from fire. An image is shown of building 7 from the other side where we all saw the building collapse. It shows smoke billowing from almost every floor. I'd appreciate some insight from you all as to what we're actually seeing. This is the first time I've seen this image and it does show smoke billowing from more than just the 2 floors we've seen. Have a look and tell me what you think.



Do you tink that all that smoke caused the building to fall?

Tell me what you think

I think it's bullshit. That still photo is designed to make it look like WTC 7 was a "towering inferno" which is undoubtedly was not. That paid shill author needs to reread his bible (aka the 9-11 Commission Report.)

Speaking of bullshit:


A fake/doctored pic of WTC-7?

A real pic of WTC-7 after the North Tower fell w/smoke/dust blowing by from the other buildings that really were infernos (that didn't implode, btw).

A real pic of WTC-7 as the incendiaries/explosives were detonating/smoking & about to implode it?

The smoke is real

Follow the link above to the "debunking" site--they link to a video of the smoke that looks legit. It doesn't show flames, though. That smoke could well be the product of a thermite reaction. WTC7's main support columns were thicker even than the twin towers, so there would have been a lot of smoke (aluminum oxide?) produced by the amount of thermite used to cut them. Obviously this smoke had to go somewhere. The quantity of smoke relative to visible flames is very suspicious...

see http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm for a Fema report on WTC7, with some truther's comments...

"Among the 'spider-man' skeptics are those who claim that no human can shoot web and stick to walls... They conveniently ignore the fact that he was bitten by a radioactive spider."

Daily Bugle editorial debunking the claims of spider-man deniers

My article on ST911.org! The Truth about Moseley!

Want to know who Jonathon Moseley really is? Check out my article that I wrote for ST911.org! You wouldn't believe what I dug up on this guy! http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoisJonathonMoseley.html

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9/2– Acclaimed 9/11 Researcher, Author, to Appear at KC'S UPTOWN

For further event information and publicity resources:

9/2:Acclaimed 9/11 Researcher, Author, to Appear at KC'S Uptown

For more information and publicity resources:

On September 2, Kansas City's Uptown Theater will be presenting Science Applied to the WTC Collapses by
independent research scientist Jim Hoffman. This event will examine the official explanations of the collapses
of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7, with special attention to the NIST Final Report on
the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers.

With every ounce of

With every ounce of much-deserved respect for DZ intended, I think the site has taken a turn for the worse since the switch over to V2. It's not even his fault, but it seems like 9/11 Blogger has since become less of a place for new 9/11 Truth-seekers to be convinced of the inside job, and more of a place for the 9/11 Truth community to jerk themselves off (figuratively) and argue among themselves. Again, no fault of DZ, but I don't even know if I'd even feel comfortable sending on-the-fence friends here anymore, because it seems to have degenerated to either a) prominent truthers attacking each other, b)no-planers arguing with everyone, c) people posting endlessly about no-planers arguing with everyone, or d) random other arguments about minute specifics, instead of a focus on the overall picture.

The single EASIEST way for the 9/11 Truth movement to be stopped in its tracks is to be kill it from the inside.

We're all in this thing together, and if we don't stick together and rally around the facts that we CAN agree on (and can be easily proven), we've got a hell of a lot better chance of winning this thing.

United We Stand...

...Divided We Fall

the cartoon/CGI huggers

the cartoon/CGI huggers insist on taking over virtually every thread now with arguments and insults. talk to them, not DZ.

Again, no fault of DZ, but I

Again, no fault of DZ, but I don't even know if I'd even feel comfortable sending on-the-fence friends here anymore, because it seems to have degenerated to either a) prominent truthers attacking each other, b)no-planers arguing with everyone, c) people posting endlessly about no-planers arguing with everyone, or d) random other arguments about minute specifics, instead of a focus on the overall picture.

Same here. The "no-planes at the WTC" garbage is everywhere on the threads now. So is the "Dr. Jones & DRG are shills" b.s. This rampant junk has become a major turn-off for this site. DZ should do something.

That's TRUE

To summarize your post:
less pointless discussion here - more time to spread the truth to the "outer" world.

Yet, sometimes discussion here is needed as it helps to understand which arguments are
truly convincing and/or confirmed, which are easy tidbits for debunkers (although they might be true),
and which are hard to belive so there is no need to spread them.

I never sent newbies here.

The discussions here are not for newbies, IMO. There are lots of 9/11 sites better suited for giving someone basic information. My first visit here was complete message board culture shock, as I was coming from a carefully moderated, obscenity- and ad hominem-free site, which this is not, and does not need to be.

With that said, I will reiterate my opinion that this is the best site for 9/11 discussions and news. The new version is an improvement on something that already rocked. The blogs feature for registered users is a big step forward, and one factor among several that allow for in-depth discussion of particular issues, rather than the post-in-the-top-thread melee of version one. I think that from an anti-psy op theoretical perspective, you could argue that the NPT frenzy is someone(s)'s attempt to subvert the efficacy of v.2 for managing simultaneous discussions of multiple facets of 9/11.


Wow! He has invited Bush to an open debate on national TV. This man is smart and wants to help Americans see through the propaganda. What are the odds that Bush will take him up on this offer?


absolutely zero

Bush would be eaten alive.

no chance at all, Bush can

no chance at all, Bush can barely answer basic questions at press conferences

It's getting embarrassing

It's getting embarrassing for the U.S. if it takes a foreign country to challenge Bush to an open debate. Why not one of the thousands of people in Washington? John McCain? Newt Gingrich? John Kerry? It wouldn't be "politically correct" to talk about 9/11.

Ahmadinejad already taunted

Ahmadinejad already taunted Bush about 9/11 inside job in the official letter he sent:

Mr President,

September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.

All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put
on trial?

All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbours of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatised by the attacks – some Western media only intensified the climates of fear and insecurity – some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic?

American citizen lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity?

Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification – for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media.

In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated incessantly – for the public to, finally, believe – and the ground set for an attack on Iraq.

Will the truth not be lost in a contrive and deceptive climate?

Yeah, sure

Only if Amadi-Nejad is skull and bones.

Oh yeah, and bush has to be allowed to wear that contraption again so he can hear the fat child molester's instructions.

They have another book to burn...

God-fearing rednecks love Bush!

Wow, America's God-fearing rednecks think George Bush is more pious, virtuous, honest than a man like David Ray Griffin. This is a very sick country we live in!

Conspiracy Nuts And

Conspiracy Nuts And 9/11
Posted in the database on Monday, August 28th, 2006 @ 15:21:33 MST (61 views)
by Deck Deckert swans.com

I have some friends who are conspiracy nuts.

They believe, for example, that on 9/11 some clown named Osama bin Laden picked up his cell phone in a cave in Afghanistan and directed 19 Muslims, none of them professional pilots, to hijack four airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby bringing down three steel-skeleton skyscrapers, the only time in world history that has ever happened.

A humdinger of a conspiracy, that one. My conspiracy nut friends know it's true because they have it on good authority -- George Bush told them so.



PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BAN THESE GUYS.... I know you want to be democratic and let everyone have their own opinion but the last thing anybody wants to see is the next 9/11 truth appearance on TV to say "planes didnt hit the buildings" and then mention 911blogger as a source for more information!

The bottom line is, people

The bottom line is, people saw something fly over their heads. Whether that was a commercial plane, drone, missile, whatever, there is no getting around it. CGI is simply f^^king stupid to pursue because of that.

Great new article from

Great new article from globalresearch on the CBC hatchet job on the scholars:

Most of us, I would guess, are well aware of the constructed nature of the news and news commentaries fed to us daily by the corporate or “mainstream” media. We’re not surprised to find, in those cases where we have managed to obtain independent knowledge of a subject, that mainstream news stories are often only tenuously connected to what appears to have been the actual series of events. And we’re coming to expect, on the part of the people who construct these news stories and tell us how to interpret them, an increasingly slender respect for such archaic notions as truth, rudimentary ethics, and intellectual integrity.

As Arundhati Roy puts it, “In the ‘free’ market, free speech has become a commodity like everything else—justice, human rights, drinking water, clean air. It’s available only to those who can afford it. And naturally, those who can afford it use free speech to manufacture the kind of product, confect the kind of public opinion, that best suits their purpose.”1

Critical understanding of this kind has been assisted by the spectacular deconstruction in recent years of a whole series of major news stories, which have noisily disintegrated before our eyes—rather in the manner of those self-destructing public sculptures which enjoyed a brief vogue in the latter part of the twentieth century. When those Rube-Goldberg or Heath-Robbins-ish artifacts were exhibited by their creators, they clanked, grunted, heaved, threw off sparks, set themselves on fire, and eventually collapsed into smoking heaps of cogs, wires, pulleys and girders before appreciative audiences of avant-garde cognoscenti.

That’s much what happened in 2003 and since to the corporate media’s narratives about Saddam Hussein’s fearsome weapons of mass destruction, about the supposed reluctance of Bush and Blair to go to war in Iraq, and their supposedly pure and democratic motives when they did. That’s much what’s happening now to the claims advanced by Israel to legitimize its renewed aggressions against the Palestinians and Lebanese (Hizbollah’s “kidnapping” of two Israeli soldiers rather loses its steam as a casus belli once people learn about Israel’s prior provocations—and about the fact that all the early Israeli statements and press reports identified the soldiers as having been on Lebanese soil when they were captured).2 It’s happening as well to two somewhat more complex stories that have, until recently, been managing to sustain themselves in the corporate media.

One of these is the story that George W. Bush actually won the 2004 presidential election, and hence has some right to the office he continues to occupy.3 The other is the no less fraudulent story that the terrorist crimes of September 11, 2001 were perpetrated by a gang of Islamist fanatics led by a bearded Saudi in an Afghan cave—rather than being organized (and subsequently covered up) by civilian and military officials at the highest levels of the Bush regime.

Even if the general pattern is well known, one small further example of how the mainstream media typically operate may still be of some interest—not least because it provides an indication of the degree to which publicly-owned broadcasters have been swayed in the same direction as the rest of the corporate media by the often unsubtle pressures exerted on them by corporatist politicians. In the present case, the immediate operators are functionaries within the radio division of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which as a publicly owned broadcaster provides news that is still in some respects distinguishable from the offerings of the privately-owned media. But savage government cuts followed by internal reorganizations have effectively lobotomized much of CBC Radio’s public affairs programming.

It would seem that the recent and ongoing public disintegration of the 9/11 story has been a matter of concern to CBC functionaries. Existing demolitions of the official 9/11 narrative have gained added weight in recent months from the public interventions of Professors James Fetzer and Steven Jones, co-founders of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, who together with other distinguished scholars and scientists who have joined this group, notably the theologian David Ray Griffin, have been publishing scrupulously researched studies of the 9/11 evidence—and have as well been making increasingly high-profile media appearances across the U.S.

Why should this concern the CBC? Because together with the rest of the Canadian mainstream media, the CBC has taken on the task of swinging Canadian public opinion into support for Canada’s increasingly aggressive participation in the occupation of Afghanistan—a country that was bombed, invaded, and occupied by the United States in 2001 as punishment for giving refuge to Osama bin Laden, the man accused of masterminding the atrocities of 9/11. Obviously enough, if the real organizers of the 9/11 attacks were in fact senior officials of the U.S. government, then that opinion-molding project collapses into rubble.



That was a great article.

"...The bottom line is,

"...The bottom line is, people saw something fly over their heads. .."

The bottom line is, that a white aircraft also PASSED the crime scene at time of second alleged hit.
Do you wanna ban this paper too: ?

that third white aircraft is

that third white aircraft is completely different from the plane people saw hitting the 2nd tower

On Point: 9/11 theories

On Point: 9/11 theories burst

This guy is in love with the new PM book...

PMs book/hitpiece makes weak

PMs book/hitpiece makes weak minded people like him feel safe.

Curious pattern

Once again a university stands behind a professor's right to speak freely about 9/11, against rabid politicians.

Lynch calls teacher's theories crazy as UNH stands behind 9/11 prof

Twenty things we know five

Twenty things we know five years after 9/11.

Posted by CrisisPapers in Editorials & Other Articles
Tue Aug 29th 2006, 09:26 AM
| Bernard Weiner |



1. The Facts of 9/11. We know that the Bush Administration didn't want the public to learn much, if anything, about the events of that day five years ago. Bush&Co. had to be dragged kicking and screaming into agreeing to the appointment of the official 9/11 Commission, and they named the executive director, one of their made men (now an Administration official).

As it turned out, the Administration wasn't all that cooperative in furnishing documents, Bush would not testify under oath and would deign to appear only with Cheney by his side (here's my imagined transcript of that testimony), and just recently we learned that the commission was so angered by the constantly-shifting stories told by the Pentagon/NORAD that they were ready to urge that legal charges be filed.

* We know that a growing number of academics and scientists have raised serious questions about the official government explanation of the 9/11 events, especially about whether the Twin Towers fell straight down on their own or were guided in that free-fall-speed path by pre-set explosives. Behind all these and other conspiracy theories rests a nagging suspicion among many Americans -- heightened by the admission that the Pentagon lied outright to the 9/11 Commission -- that the Bush Administration may have been complicit in helping orchestrate the 9/11 tragedies. (I do not accept much of that surmising, but until the Administration comes clean on a number of troublesome questions, Bush&Co. will always be, and justifiably so, under a cloud of suspicion for complicity. These questions include why the Secret Service didn't immediately grab Bush at that Florida school and get him to a secure location, why NORAD fighter-jets were MIA on that fateful morning, why airline stocks were "shorted" just prior to the attacks. Click here for more info on 9/11 skeptic groups.

* We now know -- no matter what one believes about the Bush Administration's level of complicity in 9/11 -- that at the very least the inner Bush circle knew that a huge al-Qaida attack was coming in late-Summer/early-Fall, but they did absolutely nothing to prevent it or prepare the public for its consequences. They knew because fairly detailed, red-hot warnings about planes being used as weapons were supplied to the CheneyBush inner circle by numerous countries' intelligence services around the world. But CheneyBush didn't even call a meeting of involved advisors and counter-terrorism honchos to move on the intel they were getting. In short, Bush&Co. had advance word that something "spectacular" was about to go down, and, for their own reasons, did nothing. Indeed, when the CIA sent a briefer to Crawford, Texas, to go over the ominously-titled August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." -- which talked about N.Y. buildings being cased, preparations for hijacking of planes, terrorists in the U.S. with explosives, etc. -- Bush barely listened and then insultingly dismissed the briefer, saying "All right. You've covered your ass, now.

DRG to appear in Great Britain & Ireland on Sept 9, 2006

The 911 Truth Campaign (Britain & Ireland) will be hosting a presentation by David Ray Griffin, a retired Professor of Theology, which addresses the question “Was 9/11 an inside job?” Now for the first time in the UK, David Ray Griffin will present his case for the urgent need to re-open the investigation into the events of 11th September 2001. The presentation will be held at 7.30 p.m. on Saturday 9th September 2006, at Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL. (Nearest station is Holborn - Central and Piccadilly lines - approx 3 min walk. Also within reasonable walking distance are Chancery Lane and Russell Square.)


What do I do now?

I'm 2 months into 'joining' the 9/11 truth movement. And I feel stuck. I don't know what I do now to make a difference.

I'm not a rich man. I'm not a powerful man. Okay...I'm a poor, powerless man.

Seeing how any method of mass influence is beyond my means, I have been trying to change just 1 person's opinion at a time. And I've been failing.

I make the analogy of getting into the truth movement being like getting into a cold pool.

You can't just jump in head first, cause you'll pop right up, scatter out of the pool, and swear to never go back in.

The key is to first just stick your toe in...let it settle...let yourself get comfortable...and then put your foot in.

And as any man will know, once you get your balls in it, your head will be no problem.

But I digress...

I've been unsuccessful in getting people's toes wet. My friends and family think I'm crazy.

So...to make a long story short: How can I help the people around me get their toes in the pool, without scaring them into never going into the pool again?

I LOVE "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime", but you can't just let someone watch that as their first 9/11 truth experience.

Any advice on something like: "9/11 for beginners"?

I want to help. I need to help. I can't not do something. I just don't know what to do.

Hell, I even just made plans to go to ground zero over 9/11. I don't know anyone else who's going, and I don't know what I'm going to do there. But I know I have to be there.

Pretty Please with Thermate on Top?

I'd go with any of DRG's

I'd go with any of DRG's lectures on the subject; after that EGLS and Loose Change 2

This is so discouraging...

I've never felt as helpless in my life than I feel right now.

What's wrong with this site? My message keeps appearing an reappearing?

Half the people on this board are arguing whether or not planes hit the WTC?

This is the place I've come to for help?

Oh my f*cking God.

It just occurred to me that I'm fighting a losing battle here. We stand no chance.

Maybe I'd be better off if I just feigned ignorance for the rest of my life.

This might be the saddest moment of my life.

Good luck on the feigning ignorance thing.

I don't think anyone has been able to cough up the red pill once swallowed (except for that one really bad character in the Matrix.)

Deep breath, 3x1-1.

My present take on being effective: Focus on disseminating the information, not on convincing anyone. There is a substantial portion of the public which just needs to be exposed to facts in order to wake up. Concentrate on them. This means you may need to have contact with many more people, but that contact will not be as distressing as trying to convince someone who does not want to know.

Check out freewayblogger.com and watch his short movie for some ideas.

Wear a 9/11 tee shirt as much as you can, and interested people may strike up a conversation with you.

Join, or found, a local group for activism and discussion.

Decide what is going to be the underlying premise of your work -- is it "we're fighting a losing battle" or is it "we're living in one hell of an interesting time"?

We were fighting 4 years for

We were fighting 4 years for the evidence on controlled demolition as well. Discouragement is what you have to oppose here in this *movement since Day 1.

The original saboteurs have revealed their real face a while ago (Ruppert, Schwarz).
Are you really expecting, the infiltration from the 9/11 perp puppets stopped after that?

Can you explain, why the TV Fakery stuff wasn't picked up in mainstream media, *IF it is so damaging??

Better direct your criticism to Jones/Fetzer. They're the ones who deceived this movement NOT to talk about the visual evidence on Fakery.

Our paper on the evidence by st911 member Rick Rajter is almost finished.
If it will be released at journalof911studies.com you can decide again, if it is *damaging or not.

A ban of the issue here at 911blogger.com will not silence the evidence.

Truth on a budget

Get a bumpersticker or three (on the window is fine). Mine get alot of attention. I feel like I am doing my part everytime I go for a drive. Go to every anti-war protest with a 9/11 Truth sign. Print out the flyer here on the left. Leave them at the post office, the bank, everywhere you go. Do windshields. If you've got a few extra bucks, get a couple hundred Deception Dollars and Remarkable Facts cards from http://www.peaceproject.com Just a few ideas off the top of my head.

Best for begginers:

David Ray Griffin at Congressional Black Caucus - it has been linked on the main page.

This one introduces to absolutely confirmed omissions in 9/11 Comission, and it
does it great. It should confront ppl with the fact that goverment doesn't
work for finding the truth.
(just rewind the black congresswoman at the start, so viewers don't get bored)

Then EGLST and so on.
I also suggest great site that shows that Pentagon pictures were FORGED in Photoshop.
You should pick the most convincing pages from this (over a 120 pages!) great piece
of investigation (You can print them).

Good Luck - and remember: you are very important in this! Just try to remain
calm, speak slowly (no too slow though :), neutral tone. Prepare what you would
like to say before in your head (make a list of evidence that convince you most).

To be more specific

I find these photo evidence most convincing:
http://911studies.com/911photostudies32.htm and next 15-20 pages about firetruck and burned cars.

9/11 Revisited

Don't forget this one.

Get Creative; Do Your Art

Maybe you will find some creative or artistic direction here:



For me I have WTC7 collapse video on my laptop.(Naudet brothers) I show it before I tell them what it is. Seems to get the ball rolling. IMHO

American Conspiracy: TV

American Conspiracy: TV Show Promo

An independent TV producer is working on this project. Imagine seeing this on television...


The Broader Context for 9/11

China has for some time been rising to superpower status. She has but one major weakness.

That is access to energy resources.

The US and China are well aware of this weakness and the US is doing everything in it's power to "clip" the Chinese "wings".

Every time you hear the phrase "war on terror" you should insert the line "war to secure energy resources at their source". Both powers are engaged in a not-so-quiet conflict to do just this.

China continues to secure their oil and natural gas through diplomacy and covert operations.
(see Shanghai Cooperation Organization SCO and
"USA out-flanked in Eurasia Energy Politics"

America has done this through open military conflict and psy ops.

Some consider the SCO like an "OPEC with Nukes" and if you look at it's current members it's easy to see why.

Not only does the need for oil serve as the fulcrum of this broader war, it also allows the Western military-industrial-complex to fill the void left when the cold war ended. Now big defense military contractors have a perpetual cash flow (the "war on terror").

America's attempted choke-hold on Chinese access to oil is economic warfare in it's grandest display and Iran is caught in the middle. They currently hold "observer status" with the SCO. But the US/NATO/US-controlled-UN powers want that oil before China-Russia gets it. The stakes are high and no one knows what the outcome will be.

However this is also happening all over the world. Take the Darfur region as a microcosm of this. If you overlay maps of conflicts in the Darfur region with oil pipeline routes you see get a facinating picture of how covert ops are being carried out.

In conclusion, 9/11 was the response to the SCO and it's objectives. The war on terror is nothing more than a war between Western elites and Chinese-Russian elites in a grand game of economic warfare centered around oil reserves.

The other thing to consider is that the elites in the West are actually jealous of Chinese control and censorship. China has been very successful at this and now the West wants to imitate it in America. The internet is our last outpost of democracy and even it is being watched and censored.

End rant.