Plane Hits Building in NYC

video here; and here.

A plane hit a high-rise apartment building in NYC today. See this article. Fox is saying that people are trapped above the fire.

Hopefully, this is just an accident and not a false flag attack (Rove's "October Surprise"). But we must document it just in case the government tries to blame it on the country it wants to attack next.

Update: Fighter aircraft are being put in the air over several U.S. cities as a precautionary measure, NORAD tells CNN.
Update: New York Yankees manager says plane is registered to team pitcher Cory Lidle. UPDATE: CNN is reporting that Corey Lidle's passport was found in the street by first responders.
Update: CNN is reporting that an emergency call from plane indicated a possible fuel problem.
Update: Fox News is saying this might affect the upcoming mid-term election by reminding Americans of the horror of 9/11.

no false flag.

no false flag.

False Flag or Suicide

Who owns the building? Who lives in the floor that was hit? Who is the pilot? Lastly , they all better leave the building so it doesn't fall down! This is clearly a sucide or a false flag operation. No accident. The weather is fine so weather cannot be a factor.

Cory Lidle

ESPN reporting Cory Lidle (pitcher for the Yankees) was the pilot. WTF?

yep, CBC newsworld reporting

yep, CBC newsworld reporting the same thing... they're saying that as fact now, and that this guy was a pilot too, but no word if he was actually flying it.... but maybe he was so upset for getting knocked out of the playoffs that he flew his plane into the building???

rotten year for Yankee fans

i was wondering if there was a curse on the Yankees this year. this pretty much clinches it in my mind.

frickin' plane should have hit Shea Stadium

Lidle sucks.

Lidle sucks.


This is just a stunt so that the dead Yankees (now literally) can grab headlines from the still very much alive prospective world champion Mets.

But seriously, condolences to the Lidle family and yes, who here didn't think this might be important to document, at first?

How childish

what I said

Street News

People on the street said Lidle died. "So Sad."

Others said 3 people walked away.

Guy from the fire Dept Fireman on foot told me...."helicopter caught by a gust of wind. The fire was theatrics. "

He was heading down to Madison Square Garden and needed subway directions.


"Everyone was running down the street, kids were screaming and crying," Rich Behar, a New York City resident and former Time magazine reporter, told FOX News. "There was a lot of horror and terror when it hit," Behar added, saying the whole ordeal reminded him of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Donald Rumsfeld in the Pentagon at 3:30pm...

"best info fast . . . judge whether good enough [to] hit Ahmednejad."

"Go massive . . . Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

Rawstory said...

"The structural integrity of the building is not believed threatened by the incident."

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this."

'Foley who?' via

'Foley who?'

via FoxNews:,2933,219921,00.html
Local news reports quoted New York Fire Department officials as saying two people were confirmed dead. Officials said there is no indication the incident was a result of terrorism.

The building is a 50-story condominium tower built in 1986 and located nearby Sotheby's Auction House. It has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.


The building also houses a hospital on its lower floors. Hopefully most people were still at work when the plan struck. At the moment it appears to be just a tragic accident.


Well, it's been a while...Is this building made of steel beams? Did it collapse into it's own footprint yet?

they certainly better

they certainly better evacuate it!! that building is on fire!! we all know what happens when buildings catch fire!!

Steel I- beams far more

Steel I- beams far more likely to fail than RECTANGULAR REINFORCED STEEL COLUMNS!!

Good one


far more likely? but still very unlikely.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


You're kidding no?

Those were the 9/11 words - minus Ahmadinejad. But no I'm not naive, these bastards think we're so numb we wouldn't notice the cut and paste rhetoric, if it be the case.


Yep, this will divert attention from the Foley scandal, Iraq and other GOP/White House blunders.

And of course, the FBI is claiming it is an accident! The Admin has to live up to the "we are fighting them over there (Iraq) so we don't have to fight them here.

I am betting dollars to donuts this is no accident. This was an orchestrated event to remind people of 9/11 and divert attention away from Foley, Iraq, et al. This will now be covered 24/7 by all MSM for the next week at least.

You Conspiracy Theorists Truly Are Paranoid

And this recent aviation accident just proves that.

Convenient story on Drudge..

University Instructor who doubts 9/11 compares Bush to Hitler...

I'm sure it will be bumped to the top and bolded before the end of the day..

address of crash.... 542

address of crash.... 542 72nd street
7+2 =9


date... 10/11/06

upside down? 9/11/01

is the government protecting us?


Nice catch. This is probably a psy-op for the elections or something. Visibility in New York is currently eight miles.


Got your drift. That's pretty bizarre....seriously.

i pointed this out in the

i pointed this out in the other thread:

here is another one found on fark:
Workplace conspiracy loon pointed out there are 1856 days between Sept 11 2001 and Oct 11 2006; 1+8=9 and 5+6=11 for 911.

hehe, verified it and it is correct! :)

i find this to just show how 'numerology' can be used on anything, well unless this turns into something bigger.


I'm still pretty damn impressed at how readily some people can do that stuff.

50 story building + address

50 story building + address and upside down date


5 years after 9/11

This definitely serves to reinvoke the horror

of 9/11, in a way.

LC Forum

What kind of brazen bullshit

What kind of brazen bullshit is this? So f*cking obvious. Is anyone injured, the pilots got to be dead right?

Kinda small to be terrorism

or a false flag....

this could be a genuine bonafida accident. a pilot with a heart attack or a mechanical difficulty. hard to see any possible gains for the perps if it was intentional.

unfortunate... for sure

It could be a simple straightforward unfortunate accident. In which case the NTSB should investigate if an aircraft was involved..... unless the FBI has already taken over.

Watch carefully how well this is treated as an investigation FIRST.... before some HomeLand Security dip-shit says tanks should be parked at street corners.

He had a flight instructor

He had a flight instructor with him. Did they both have heart attacks? The plane has a parachute that can be pulled at anytime and the plane will sail to the ground. They were flying in restricted airspace, even though Fox News will try to make you think they weren't. It's no coincidence that this happened on 10/11/06, and it's no coincidence that number upside down is 9/11/01. Think of the political power that can be gained from this. I wonder what kind of bill that Bush will pass through legislation that takes away more of our liberties as a result of this?


Defence already scrambled. Fighters over all major cities.

Hmmmm... a response by NORAD? That's out of character!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Now that I've given some thought to it...

This is just way too suspicious. Maybe Alex Jones was right, and this is the first in what's going to be a string of smaller psy-op events, possibly leading up to a gigantic false flag event.

Manhattan Plane Crash

Manhattan Plane Crash Accident Or Terror?
Images invoke 9/11 sentiment, government psy-op at work?

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones /Prison | October 11 2006

Early details remain sketchy about a small aircraft hitting an apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side at 72nd Street and York Avenue, near Rockefeller Center and the United Nations building. Is this simply an accident, a staged terror attack or a government psy-op intended to invoke memories of 9/11 as the mid-term elections approach?

The fact that this area is controlled airspace and that no aircraft are allowed to fly into the area makes the crash of an aircraft very suspicious if that turns out to be the case. Visibility in New York for pilots is said to be eight miles at the moment.

Early reports that the crash involved a helicopter have now been dismissed.

News networks are reporting President Bush has ordered NORAD to defend the city. Whatever the nature of this incident, Bush is getting an opportunity to grandstand.

Previous examples where small planes have deliberately been flown into buildings have been played down by the U.S. government - including a Clinton-era incident where a Cessna was flown into the White House.

Will the apartment building collapse in its own footprint like the twin towers? We know that's what happens when planes hit buildings so we'll wait and see what transpires.

More updates to follow.

Just so you all know

There is no hole in the outside of the building.
There is a strong fire inside. How did the fire get going if the plane did not enter the building?

A news commentor said the plane must've fallen on the grounf.

Please someone save this video.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - however improbable - must be the truth!" - Doyle

3 stories taller than WTC #7, and hit by a plane!

So... I guess this one's gonna fall (into it's own footprint) eh? ...I mean, being that small diesel fires in WTC bldg. #7 brought it down, then surely this MUST be a foregone conclusion. Right!? ~appropriate sarcastic tone~

Although this probably has NOTHING to do with FF/Terrorism it'll be milked for all its worth, and then some. Bushco and the Repug’s have got to be thanking their lucky stars... Finally something to distract from the various scandals.

why not ignored like WTC7

ok, but it's almost as tall as WTC7, so why can NORAD, Bushco, and Giuliani's successor not simply forget and ignore whatever happens to this building?? They didn't care about WTC7 either, which also claimed 1 fatality as it came down.

FBI: Not believed to be a

FBI: Not believed to be a terror attack. Two people reported dead.

I think they already extinguished the fire. An accident. Move along.

Pretty fucking weird, and foreboding

so let's see, later this evening the whole apt. bldg. will come down mighty parallel to the next one...


There was a holding pattern of 5 or 6 military black helicopters in a holding pattern over the South end of Central Park.

They are gone now but I've got the pic. It was about 5 minutes ago

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains - however improbable - must be the truth!" - Doyle

you should post it

you should post it


Were they in a holding pattern? You didn't mention that.


Where the hell did a plane go in there? I think I see a can of gas and a book of matches, but I would say doubt every aspect of this story until conclusive evidence is brought forth. Meaning MULTIPLE unrelated eyewitnesses, substantial plane wreckage, etc. In other words, everything we know to be consistent with a plane crash.

People should also call the NYPD and ask who is investigating--this stuff can't be allowed to happen without a microscope on everyone involved!

Also, find out whose apartment that is!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Could also be the first of the perps to fake their death...

You never know. If the dead are in ANY WAY possibly connected to 9/11 it will be suspicious.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


No Collapse

I'm going on record right now and predict there will be no collapse due to melting steel trusses.

How about due to explosives inside the building?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


It's a wood frame building

It's a wood frame building and all the thermites were burnt up by the fuel.

Good one!

All the thermites -- hardy har.

no inferno

watch them talk about how much more of an inferno it was on 9/11, explaining away...

Small plane=no collapse, big plane=collapse. Yeah I can

see them playing ti off that way. idiots.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


Canadian Take

on CBC newsworld, they talked to a guy on a phone who described that black smoke was also comming out from the basement in addition to where the plane hit. He said it didn't make much sense to him. no one elaborated or anything, it was just this one witness that CBC got on the phone to describe what he saw.


My sources tell me it was an estranged husband with a flight license.

Hey man, it's NY

where's the passport of this

where's the passport of this pilot? Why has it not yet been found by the FBI?

What's the Spin Going to Be?

I wonder how the government is going to spin this.

Are they going to say that it was a terrorist attack, just some crazy nut committing suicide, or an accident?

If they come out with it being a terrorist attack then they help to legitimize Alex Jones's analysis that a government-staged terrorist attack is quite possible within our current time-frame.

Also, even if the government does say that it was just an accident or some lone crazy, that doesn't mean that it wasn't actually a staged terrorist attack. The government has declared other obvious staged events as being either accidents or the work of some isolated nut.

Events like this have the effect of traumatizing the masses, since the psychological connection to the 9/11 attacks is already present (i.e., planes flying into buildings). Keep in mind the upcoming elections.

People should create a folder on their hard drives and save articles on this event. Things that don't seem important now may turn out to be extremely vital. Also, record TV segments covering this event, as often things come out across the TV news that get dropped and are never mentioned again.

Of course, it could be just an accident or some lone nut, but we should collect information in case it isn't.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."--H. L. Mencken

"..."It looks as if the

"..."It looks as if the aircraft didn't go into the building but fell down," she said. "It may be part of the debris burning on the ground."..."

True, a small plane flying slow might just break windows...

So is the debris outside or inside or both? And will we get to see it?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


agreed, we have plane

agreed, we have plane debris. Where was the plane debris at no less than four crash sites on 9/11?

good advice James! Save the evidence!!

Then everyone can rendezvous online later and compare notes. Beware doctored photos!!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


  A semi-small plane hit a


A semi-small plane hit a building in Milan in 2002, and a Cessna or something hit a building in the US not long after 9/11 from what I can remember. I’d say those were probably accidents, but this one just seems to be so obviously some kind of bullshit. I mean it’s NY, how blatant a comparison to 9/11 can you get? And yea their scrabbling NORAD now, but that means that “NORAD failed again” to protect the skies over NY? Such bullshit.

Plane hits Milan skyscraper

Pirelli building on fire
Witnesses said they heard something like a bomb
A light aircraft has hit a skyscraper in the northern Italian city of Milan.

More Live

More Live Screenshots:
One person is confirmed killed after plane crashes into New York apartment building, New York Fire Department says.

More early photos:



please people, dont come off as a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists just yet ;)

its probably just an accident, and should be assumed as such until the story develops..

more hi-res photos

Great pics

Instant disaster voyeurism. But I guess that's what we need, living at high speed.


I like the pic looking up the street with the fire engine.... remind you of the Naudet Brothers video of first plane strike

Atta's Cessna

this time it was Atta himself with his Cessna, or Hani Hanjour?

Count the windows...

count the windows from the left side of building to the flames.second photo (straight on view) shows three then the flames, middle photo (i report) shows four. the concrete dividers are an easy guide. in middle photo (i report) window 'number four' has it glass intact. this same window is shown burning in the other photos. apparently the "plane crash" was unable to break a window? plane crash?

Updates continued at


Does Silverstein own this one too?

I think we might have to pull it. I mean, pull THEM out, you know what I mean.



still "conflicting reports on whether the aircraft was a small plane or a helicopter"...

Why are we relying on CNN and Fox News? Any other outlets?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


i bet Karl Rove did this

could these republicans be any luckier? First North Korea's nukes, now this. Now they can say NORAD had no chance on 9/11, because it happened again, with billions of dollars spent on "homeland security".

I wish

I WISH Rove had done it - I mean, been the fuckin' pilot.

Why the hell is this

Why the hell is this building not EXPLODING INTO POWDER? I am waiting....... it doesn't matter if it is a smaller plane, it is a smaller building too....

NPT QED. The plane was


The plane was crushed on cantact with the building and it slid down the front exaclty as one would predict.

CNN reports again, that the

CNN reports again, that the aircraft under suspicion came from Teterboro, NJ

Precisely as designed by ACME, for use by...

...Wile E. Coyote!! Gotta admit, the image is worth a chuckle!!

What does NRT QED mean? I only know what the e stands for, from crosswords.



NPT: No planes theory. (No planes hit the WTC buildings)

QED: Quod erat demonstrandum -- that which was to be demonstrated. "Here's definitive proof."

And I have two words for brianv: smaller, slower

You're safe

Everything went perfectly with the response. NORAD is doing a heckuva job. For a continued safe and vigilant America, vote Republican in November.

It's a foggy day in NY

It's a foggy day in NY according to my local tv.

Teterboro made recent

Teterboro made recent "changes"

NATA's Coyne Confirms Changes At Teterboro
Aero-News Network, FL - Oct 6, 2006
... Bill DeCota and Atlantic Aviation General Manager Joseph Fazio, announced this week a series of new pledges to the communities surrounding Teterboro Airport. ...
Teterboro aircraft ban may cause Morris noise, NJ - Oct 5, 2006
HANOVER -- An agreement made quietly in Teterboro could have loud repercussions in Hanover and surrounding communities, Morristown Airport officials said. ...

Nighttime curfew agreed to at Teterboro Airport
Newsday, NY - Oct 4, 2006
TETERBORO, NJ (AP) _ Air carriers have agreed to a nighttime curfew and a ban on the noisiest planes at Teterboro Airport in hopes of alleviating complaints ...

Maybe but

It's winter in America


Anytime there is an event even somewhat suspicious nowdays people should make an effort to document the event as good as posible. I will never believe anything without some good corroboratiion anymore. Especially any potential terrorist event!

Other photos:

Other photos:

Fire seems to be out. Latest

Fire seems to be out.

Latest live screenshots:

Also remember that plane the

Also remember the plane that blew up in the sky over Queens?

Sabotage Explains Flight 587 Crash, Says Expert

early live video screenshot

early live video screenshot

CNN shows again aircraft

CNN shows again aircraft parts, photographed by Rick Dembow.

Other earlier photos:

Lucas Jackson:

Actor Alec Baldwin tries to pass a police cordon near the site

Lucas Jackson/Reuters:

Chip East/Reuters: has interviews with has interviews with witnesses up now..

some stuff from fark

some stuff from fark (link):

"Bush claims U.S. is safer since 9/11 but is still at risk for an attack" (supposedly this was on the CNN ticker, anyone verify?)

"BBC is speculating from the eyewittness reports, and evident debris, that the thing flew directly into the building. "

"CNN (Kelli Arena) is reporting that first responders were told that the plane made a mayday call with a critical fuel problem before it hit."

CNN reports now:

CNN reports now:
First official facts about aircraft and owner
(Cory Lydle, Pitcher from Yankees)
Syrus SR-20, built in 2002

More Updates:
First responders to the New York plane crash say an emergency call was made from the plane indicating a possible fuel problem.

when you want to post a new

when you want to post a new comment please use the 'add new comment' link underneath the initial post instead of 'reply' under another users comment, otherwise it looks like you are responding to someone..


"now they're saying the

"now they're saying the plane was registered Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle."

Cirrus CR-20

What if Silverstein does own

What if Silverstein does own this building??

What then??

Pilot and Owner of

Pilot and Owner of aircraft?
Cory Lidle

wow.... they scrambled them

wow.... they scrambled them jets pretty quick. Shame they didn't do that when a big huge 767 was heading into Manhattan!

They found Lidle's passport on the street

Deja Vous all over again

Another pic of a Cirrus

Another pic of a Cirrus SR-20, which usually has a parachute to escape in time

CNN has a conflicting

CNN has a conflicting report, that also a "flight instructor" was aboard, according to Miles O'Brien, though the update claims, it was Cory Lidle, all by himself...

FlickR photos from

FlickR photos from crash:

CNN: Lidle had flight license only since last year.

You have to be effing kidding me!

His passport just found on the street below!

CNN lady

"Pretty amazing they could find a piece of paper."

Oh, not really. It happens.

it must not be true

if this isn't the work of Karl Rove, then we were all wrong about 9/11, it was all a coincidence.


are you joking? where'd u

are you joking? where'd u hear that... i'm watching the CBC newsworld coverage in canada and they never said anything about a passport

What's the tail number and model of the aircraft?

With the tail number, and assuming a flight plan was filed, no need to guess. But if no flight plan, no tail number and if the plane was not squawking a transponder code (assigned by the ATC) then we have new questions . . . or a new spin going on here! FAA traffic control should be able to tell us departure time, destination, and even the pilot name, eventually.

Drunkin' yankee

Cory Lidle? What a let down. I would have hoped it was a Red Sox fan.

Hate to be cynical ... but

Show me Lidle's dead body at the crash site. Then do an autopsy on him and let us know how he was killed.

They found his passport on the street?

Deja Vous all over again - Yogi Berra

wanna DNA? no problem -

wanna DNA? no problem - upcoming!

A plane crashed into a

A plane crashed into a building and the building is still standing? This does not make any sense. We learned from 9/11 that planes ALWAYS bring down buildings (as well as buildings a few blocks away that weren't hit by planes, i.e. WTC building #7). Hopefully, our gov't will respond properly by invading Iran and continuing to clamp down on our rights by conducting warrantless wire-taps, stealing private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, rigging elections and suspending habeas corpus. That seems like the only logical response.
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):

article on Lidle and his

Update: 3 more

Update: 3 more killed
Yankee Cory Lidle on NYC plane; 4 killed AP
Wed Oct 11, 5:11 PM ET

Teterboro has no searchable

Teterboro has no searchable departure database

Manufacturer: Cirrus Design Corp
Model: SR20 Search all Cirrus Design Corp SR20
Year built: 2002
Serial Number (C/N): 1230
Mode S Code: 53157717
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing single engine
Amateur-Built: No
Number of Seats: 4
Number of Engines: 1
Engine Type: Reciprocating
Engine Manufacturer and Model: Lycoming I0-360-ES
Owner (FAA)
Registration Type: Individual
Address: Lakeland, FL 33810
United States
Region: Southern
Status (FAA)
Certification Class: Standard
Certification Issued: Unknown
Air Worthiness Test: 2002-07-25
Last Action Taken: 2006-08-29

Older facts
Message to seller of
2002 Cirrus SR20

Price: $189,900

TTAF 380 hours Reg# N929CD Serial # 1230

You're all over it, man.

Well done.

did you notice they already

did you notice they already have "in question" in regards to the status of this plane?

and yet when we tell people the N-number on 2 of the planes from 9-11 are (were) still registered as valid, they dismiss it as bureaucratic delay.

well, i think this proves that bureaucratic argument as total BS.

Breaking News on Lidle

It also turns out Lidle was severely sexually abused as a child, and only recently told anyone. He was apparently quite tearful recently, having revealed to close friends and teammates that he'd had frequent anal sex rendezvous' in the past year with the Yankee bat boy.

This could well explain a suicidal tendency and hence the crash.

Hey why the fuck not, eh?!

Oh well

Back to boredom and anxiety.

Peter Foley/EPA:

Peter Foley/EPA:

Nico, thanks for finally

Nico, thanks for finally posting something of value.

I'm doing exactly the same

I'm doing exactly the same *here* what i did elsewhere since 5 years and 1 month.

Just cut out the disinfo,

Just cut out the disinfo, cool?


those damn passports are not only fireproof, they're spring-loaded.

Just set my passport on

Just set my passport on fire.....

expensive experiment!

now I can not leave the country


and look as this Wikipedia entry !!!
They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:

Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:

I bet all the firemen that

I bet all the firemen that went into that building had second thoughts.

I'm sure they were expecting to hear bombs going off at any second.

Thankfully it is probably just an accident and not an insurance jackpot or PNAC catalyzing event.
They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:

Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:

The Goyette is pleasing

A good smack-down of that Mechanics doofus Gavin. Utter buffoon.

Dz, I think you've got to

Dz, I think you've got to close the bold fields, the other threads below are all bolded out lol.

one of these things is not like the other........


New York, Oct. 11, 2006
A small plane crashes into a 50-story condominium tower on Manhattan’s Upper East Side. At least four people are reported killed.
Tehran, Iran, Dec. 6, 2005
A military transport plane loaded with Iranian journalists slams into a 10-story apartment building. At least 115 people are killed.
Milan, Italy, April 18, 2002
A small plane crashes into a landmark building in Italy's financial capital. Three people are killed, including the pilot.
Tampa, Fla., Jan. 5, 2002
A 15-year-old boy steals a small single-engine plane and crashes it into the Bank of America building. Police say it was suicide.
New York, Sept. 11, 2001
Islamic terrorists hijack commercial airliners and crash them into both towers of the World Trade Center, killing about 2,600 people.
New York, April 29, 1990
A helicopter removing a satellite dish from the top of a 14-story building crashes onto the roof. The pilot is killed.
New York, July 28, 1945
An Army B-25 bomber crashes into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building and explodes, killing 14 people, including the pilot.

i feel bad for Lidle's

i feel bad for Lidle's family. he used to pitch for my hometown Phillies. that said, the Yankees SUCK. dont worry Yankees fans, they have plenty of cash to throw around, you wont miss Lidle much.(although you couldnt buy a pennant this year huh?hahahah)

they found lidle's passport

they found lidle's passport in the street below -


just about everyone I know who I have spoken to about this (at least 6 poeple so far) have asked:
"How could they find his passport???"
Well... let me tell you a story....
This whole experience sounds like a good opportunity to put one 9/11 to rest by the FBI.

Yes the passport thing is weird - -

Few people seem to recall that there were two passports supposedly found in the wtc rubble; initially they said they had Atta's, then in jan 2004 they announced that they also had Satam al-Sugami's.

George you have a wild

George you have a wild /strong/ tag in the post it's corrupting the rest of the posts!!

Need an apartment?

If you wanna rent an apartment there (building will not be hit twice by aircraft, according to international numerology experts):

Or just check...

The World According to Garp

Funny. I just googled for

Funny. I just googled for "524 E 72ND ST"

4th hit, "MI6 Agents Provocateur" leads to hints that MI6 agent "Ian Forbes McCredie" used this address at some time in the past....

yo, that same list also

yo, that same list also mentions 46D, like maybe 46th floor apt. D?

can anyone tell what floor was hit?

Jesus H. Christ

I'm on your side re: 9/11, but there's some extreme predatory boredom going on in this house. I'll check back when something real and major happens as far as a false-flagski.

"...The country is dying. God doesn't care... Shhh!!"
-G. Carlin

Rich people's condo:

This list tells you which inhabitant of that condo donated how much to which presidential candidate. There were 9 donations by 8 people: 2 donations for GW Bush (2,250 $US), 3 donations for John Kerry (2,831 $US) and 1 donation for Wesley Clark (1,000 $US):

This list here seems to suggest that out of 183 appartements in this building, 85 are currently for sale:

Oh my god

Great research.

And WHO THE FUCK CARES??? I mean really, what significance does this have, for anything, let alone today's crash??????

Put your obvious fine brain to better use for the movement.

The numerology behind this

The numerology behind this is extremely creepy

I just fixed the Bold

I just fixed the Bold issue.  Let me know when the building collapses, should be just a matter of time...

Only Al Quaida can make hi-rise buildings collapse

"[....] building collapses, should be just a matter of time..."

No. They wanna proof that only Al Quaida can make hi-rise buildings collapse. Therefor this one they can't let collapse. No "terrible loss of life", hence no "Pull it!", see?


Couldn't wait for that eh?

Not to unncessarily feed conspiracy, but...

What's the deal?

First accounts say that its a helicopter, second accounts (to my recollection) claim it was a twin-engine. Finally its now said that the plain was a single engine. That's an awful lot of BS/speculation or whatever.

I'd like to see some alternative media interviews of anyone who claims to have seen the plane coming in. CNN was running a story about some construction workers who claim they saw the plane before it hit. CNN also reported eyewitness accounts of the plane making a zigzag erratic path before hitting the building.

Sure... its probably an accident, but there are several troubling issues:

1) Weather was at first reported as clear with 8-mile visibility, then later reported as foggy - which is it?

2) If as has been reported there was a mayday from the plane - relating to fuel problems WTF did the pilot imagine heading into Manhattan would accomplish?

3) The passport thing. OK, this seems like a total fabrication. Simply an attempt to disarm those who've argued since 9/11 that there was no way a passport could have survived the collisions/destruction of WTC 1 or 2.

I'm not saying conspiracy here. I'm calling bullshit on the media. They appear to be inventing facts to explain what they do not know, and or aiding/reinforcing disinfo. Re: 9/11.

Have you ever played the

Have you ever played the game telephone? Initial reports are frequently wrong.


Look at the width of the crash "hole"/area -- it's at least 1.5 inches too small for a Cessna to have struck there. Something very, very weird is going on here.

Is the building yet

Is the building yet collapsed?

I guess not... how strange.

I'm very sorry for the victims of this horrible accident :-(

Full-plane parachute - not deployed?

Lidel’s Cirrus SR20 was equipped with an emergency full-plane parachute. Lidel is on record, having commented how safe he felt flying, and remarked about the added safety of the SR20’s full-plane-chute.

One would think that either Lidel or his companion (who at this point in time is said to be a flight instructor) would have activated the chute. While its entirely possible that nether thought to, or did not know how to operate the chute I find the notion less plausible.

The further oddity this information adds to the incident leads me to wonder if the crash mightn’t have been an intentional act, albeit irrational - suicide.

Full-plane parachute - not deployed?

Lidel’s Cirrus SR20 was equipped with an emergency full-plane parachute. Lidel is on record, having commented how safe he felt flying, and remarked about the added safety of the SR20’s full-plane-chute.

One would think that either Lidel or his companion (who at this point in time is said to be a flight instructor) would have activated the chute. While its entirely possible that nether thought to, or did not know how to operate the chute I find the notion less plausible.

The further oddity this information adds to the incident leads me to wonder if the crash mightn’t have been an intentional act, albeit irrational - suicide.

Horrors of 911 my ass

Anybody watching our skyways here? Earth to NORAD? Another off-course unimpeded plane hits another building in New York City. Again. Hello? Tell me how my "anti-terrorism" tax dollars are being spent again?

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As much as I hate to say

As much as I hate to say this but thanks for the updates esp with the photos, ewing...


October surprise. NIE report leak: Iraq war has increased terrorism . . . Woodward book allegation that CIA warned Rice about imminent attack on July 2001. . . Rice predictabily lies about same . . .
FOLEY, FOLEY, FOLEY ,FOLEY,FOLEY,FOLEY. . . North Korea tests nuke . . . another plane hits another building in NYC . . . more to come . . .


Apparently we all just want flashing images and excitement, entertainment - don't get mired in any serious moral considerations, let alone action.

I really thought this was an

I really thought this was an accident until they find the passport. That got my imagination going in all directions. Could a remote control unit be install on a plane like this? Could the pilot & Co-pilot kidnapped and murder somewhere? And the numerology on this its so creepy. Also it is very interesting that FOX news is not heavily covering this accident.

you forgot the latest Iraq

you forgot the latest Iraq report, that just hit the news today: confirmed estimate of 650000 dead as a result of the Iraq liberation.
That's a big deal for many, especially now that the accomplishment of the whole thing is in doubt. Many Iraqis wish Saddam back + no WMDs, so what was this sacrifice for??... *NEWSFLASH* NYC skyscraper hit by plane again! stay tuned till November 7th...


I don't get this at all. What would be the point of planting/tossing one in the rubble, like what definitely did happen in 911? Maybe to show that Lidle is actually a Saudi, and the fact that he's been in this country so long should make us extra wary about security. Maybe we should call for further provisions of the Patriot Act? Or legalize beheadings on a state by state basis?

this guy is AMAZING.

"this is terrorism of the worst kind, brought on you by your own government"-Stan Jones

Senatorial Candidate Warns Of World Government

You Tube | October 11 2006

STAN Jones running for Senate from Montana Libertarian, tells the Truth about Globalization, North American UNION, our new money the AMERO and the NAFTA SUPER Hwy.

Take the passport as a separate BS issue

I agree that the passport find makes the whole issue smell bad, but don't paint the whole incident with the BS brush just yet.

Lets see some alternative / indy media interviews from witnesses & lets ask for the name of the person who allegedly discovered the passport… where EXACTLY it was recovered, what its condition is, and when it was issued to Lidel.

Irrespective of outright accident or not, the MSM certainly has its agenda(s), and will use the uncertainty created by this incident to pump Bushco/Repug’s for November.

More regarding the passport:
We're to believe that Lidel just happened to be flying with his passport. Why would this be. I mean, sure… he might’ve just had it with him, but why? Is a passport required ID for pilots? Was Lidel planning on flying his plane out of the continental US? Was he about to depart for a trip (after his flight), and was already packed? I recognize that as a pro ball player he might’ve traveled with the passport at all times, but for the average Joe, one does not carry such an important document without reason.

If this accident were a pre-meditated suicide, what possible need would there be for the passport? And wouldn’t there be signs from Lidel? …A depressed guy who was obsessed with tying loose ends… putting his life’s affairs in order before departing it?

I guess the passport could’ve been there to positive ID his remains, but that assumes an awful lot, including that the passport would survive. …Then again, we already know that passports (at least Saudi) are immune to high speed collisions, jet-fuel fires, and building collapses which end with month-long burning puddles of molten metal, powdered concrete and nary a surviving human.

he's a fucking

he's a fucking patriot



If you listen to RBN online, you have a lot of Libertarians, some good (politically/morally) some not. You've got Fetzer and Abrahamson and Tarpley, but also some less desireable to listen to if you have a social conscience and aren't only emphatic over God and guns and protecting the border.

About which I should note, I was offended to hear Alex Jones rant not long ago about "keeping them out" and what not. Very disappointing, the upshot of the comments. He's a great guy with a lot of passion on these issues, but has that underlying streak of Texasness. (truthiness?)

yes, while Alex Jones is a

yes, while Alex Jones is a great asset to the cause of truth, i disagree with him on most of his social/political stances, that included. he should just stick to focusing on the NWO or whatever it is you would want to call the elite and breaking down the spin in the media. its what hes best at.

He's good but

like a lot of Libertarians he's also a dire INDIVIDUALIST, concerned with the Consitution yes, but primarily for the sake of "live and let live" (or die) rather than work for the common good. Though admittedly, crashing this empire, however it comes about, will be very much for the full common good. Of all.

Has the fire weakened the

Has the fire weakened the structure to the point where the apartment building pancaked in on itself in 9 seconds flat? Has anyone instructed the firefighters to pull it?

What's that...?

Couldn't hear you.

Shout louder, use more cuss words... tell us what you really think.

O'Reilly is going to cover

O'Reilly is going to cover Kevin Barrett tonight. Because he is forcing those poor "brainwashed libs" to buy his "nutty book." Somebody should tape this hit piece for posterity.

Remember folks Oprah is

Remember folks Oprah is going to cover 9-11 conspiracy theories tomorrow too.

Now that was

Now that was funny!


Stand for SOMETHING...or you'll fall for ANYTHING!!

the "Cessna terrorists"

Has anyone noticed that this crash - accident or not - is precisely what those "Cessna terrorists" of 9/11 were capable of, and no more?
Had it really been Atta's flying circus that attacked America on 9/11, then they couldn't have hijacked all those Boeings and piloted them. This incident now shows how limited their capabilities were: setting a fire to an appartment, while their tiny sports-plane breaks to pieces on the outside.
- That's the real threat from 'flying' terrorists, the 'unplugged' version without the Spin.


Maybe idle Lidle was the missing 20th Saudi suicide hijacker for 9/11, but got lost with his Cessna in a time warp or other quantum type thing, but it being a holographic universe the timing was actually perfect (hence the numerology noted by others...)

Arrright I'm joshin', a bit, but one thing's for sure, we don't know much about all this.

It's definitely not the October Surprise - we've got some serious EEvil comin' down the pike.


No plane hit that building.


Now that was

Now that was funny!


Stand for SOMETHING...or you'll fall for ANYTHING!!


I thought so too.

Im amazed the building didn't collapse in about 45 mins also.

What is this little +- "Points" in the top right hand corner of everyones post lately?



Just wondering if the plane vaporised into thin air?
Just wondering why the building (that wasnt designed for impact by planes) didnt pancake down. incredible!

Just a thought, 10/11/06 is 09/11/01 upside down?

Coincidence? Whats the probablility on that one?



Stand for SOMETHING...or you'll fall for ANYTHING!!

mi6 agent living at address of crash?

Check this out on Google:

524 E 72ND ST 46D NEW YORK, NY 10021

Subject check out the rubble

Subject check out the rubble this time before it gets shipped to China.

NYC Apartment Hit By Plane

I can't believe it didn't collapse!

It met all the requirements:

It was hit by a plane
There was aviation fuel involved
The building burned for over 58 minutes

Why didn't it collapse?

Someone call Popular Mechanics and get them on it right away, because somethings not right here.

He who judges a matter before he hears it, it is shame and folly unto him.
Proverbs 18:13

Animation?? .....

Just thought I'd mention,

They are advertising "more information about the crash" on the "news" tonight. The thing that caught my eye was that they showed part of an ANIMATION, to possibly better-understand what really happened.

Come on... an animation?? really???

I think it is definitely time to start documenting everything about this case, and the media reports for future reference.

I have yet to see a picture of any plane parts...

And what is up with the dude having his passport with him? And it being found on the street ala Mohammed Atta? Gimme a break. This has faked death written all over it, just like Ken Lay--we need to start making a list of the undead!


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