Tampa Tribune Covers Tampa Bay 9/11 Truth Meetup Group
The 9/11 'Conspiracy' - tbo.com
CLEARWATER - It is a Thursday evening, an ordinary night.
From the community room of Panera Bread, the westerly flow of commuters can be seen heading into the sunset on busy Ulmerton Road.
Gathered here are a dozen or so like-minded souls from the Tampa Bay 9/11 Truth Meetup Group.
They share a common belief: The official story of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, is absolutely false.
"We're the Minutemen!" says retired nurse Jeanne Lucsynski of Wesley Chapel, who is sitting at a corner table with her laptop.
A 9/11 Truth meeting can sound like a cross between "The X Files" and an American history lesson.
Members are convinced that the U.S. government, or global elitists, felled the World Trade Center and used Arab hijackers as decoys. They want to speak out, like patriots of the American Revolution.
Lucsynski calls it the Internet Tea Party. This time, King George is in the White House.
OK, say they're crazy.
But Americans love a good conspiracy theory, a Scripps Howard-Ohio University poll released in August confirms.
The poll showed that an astounding 36 percent - one in three - believe it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" the U.S. government had something to do with the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and allowed them to happen so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.
And 16 percent of the 1,010 adults surveyed in the national poll said "yes" when asked if they believed secret explosives - not jets - took down the Twin Towers.
The suspicions have gained enough popularity to rival conspiracy theories claiming the government was involved in John F. Kennedy's assassination or that it has hidden the existence of space aliens.
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Thanks Mia for the heads up!
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Hey this article is not bad!!
They even gave links at the end!!!
Of course it started with the usual explaining away the whole thing with the tired "Americans love a good conspiracy theory" and "The poll just shows Americans are disillusioned".
But overall that's an amazing article in a mainstream paper. Let's all send a copy to our local papers. I'm sending one to the San Diego Union-Trib, anyone else care to join me in a local blitz?
This is the typical hit
This is the typical hit piece that makes 9/11 researchers out to be a "cult." People who see this as good press need to open their eyes. The DVDs they're promoting have major flaws. Phrases like saying how Americans "love a good conspiracy" only make our work look hokey and superficial.
That's the goal of articles like these. Professonal people that we badly need - professors, scientists, lawyers - will look at this and decide to make sure to have nothing to do with the nutcases.
Not true
they gave 9/11 Mysteries as one of the movies. No major flaws.
One way to counteract this slant...
Articles like this one inform a little and smear a lot.
I had this idea: Nominate Steven Jones and David Ray Griffen for the Nobel Peace Prize. I think the folks in Norway would be quite enthusiastic about it. I believe one needs a government official to endorse a nomination. We'd need one who is part of the 9-11 Truth crowd. Details for the nominating process are here:
http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/nominators.html
GREAT IDEA!
Great idea Student07. If someone from the truth movement won the Nobel Peace Prize the media would have no choice but to report it. I am all for the prize going to Griffin. He diserves it for all the work he has done. Problem is, the global elite would never let that happen. Still a good idea and we should at least try.
Fantastic idea!
I agree 100% Case in point, when trying to get the Ministry song "Lies Lies Lies" played on the radio, I always got a story about how "um, we're not sure we have it', reminiscent of when Tucker Carlson said he wasn't sure how to play a video of building 7'a collapse. I recently cornered a dj on air, same response but this time, when I mentioned it got nominated for a grammy, the radio station looked plain stupid for not playing it. I'll do what I can, but I think everyone else should petition their local politicians to support this initiative as well.
Dr Helen Caldicott
The more I think about it the more I like the idea. Years ago the great Dr. Helen Caldicott was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for her work on nuclear disarmament. You can read about her here. http://www.helencaldicott.com/about.htm A group she founded won it. I was also thinking if we could get her to speak for 9/11 truth that would be awesome. She has great credibility world wide. I wonder how we could contact her? Any ideas? Last year she said that she did not think the world could survive four more years of George Bush. I tend to agree with her. Perhaps 9/11 truther Meria Heller could talk to her. Meria had her on her show a while back. I think it is worth a try. I am going to e-mail Meria right now and ask.
Maddog, I think we need a national political leader to endorse
Years back, some friends of mine actually got someone nominated for the Nobel Peace prize. To do it, they had to find someone in congress to endorse the application. They also had to assemble a package that demonstrated what the person had done to deserve the prize.
The person was Badshah Khan, a non-violent leader (during British India days) from the Pakistan/Afghanistan area. He was in prison at the time, which was in the late 1980s I think. Nominating him got him out of prison then, even though he did not end up getting the prize -- Bishop Tutu got it that year. For some reason the Pakistani government had kept this fellow Khan in prison for almost 30 years.
All this is to say, getting David Ray Griffin nominated could only be a huge plus, even if the prize does not go to him.
Can you help get this word out, anyone reading this? Not too many people will read these posts between maddog and me, so far down in the thread and on an older topic.
they continue to try and
they continue to try and pass the scripps-howard poll off as some kind of fascination with conspiracy theories.
"But Americans love a good conspiracy theory, a Scripps...."
".......Howard-Ohio University poll released in August confirms"
Oh really, is that what it confirms? Really?
I thought it confirmed that 36% of Americans (and growing) believe that elements in our Government have criminal complicity in the mass murder of our citizens that took place on 9/11.
They're trying to lightly dismiss and marginalize this brutal reality as "just a little entertainment...a trifle, really".
It's not going to work.
More like: Americans hate a bad conspiracy theory.
19 boxcutter boys is just a really, really bad story and a conspiracy theory put together by idiots. ("Close enough for government work," I guess.) They really could have done better.
Exactly!
I for one HATE conspiracies! And I think I speak for most in our movement. Why would I want to waste my time with this just for a little entertainment?
I don't WANT it to be true that our government did 9/11, but I've studied the facts and the 9/11 Commission report doesn't stand up to anything realistic. I'm forced to be in this movement because of the cover up, not choosing to relish in some wild conspiracy theory for the fun of it!
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The Time For Debate Is Over
DKos post
a new 'they let OBL get away' post over at Daily Kos....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/22/62327/856
...hit that thread, make 'em censor Truth until they get sick of it. or, slip some past them.
My comment at DKos
This was in response to a comment asking why such a poorly sourced story was on the cover of dKos.
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It's on the front page . . . (0 / 0)
because it fits the Democratic Party line about 9/11 and Iraq -- Iraq is a diversion from the "War on Terror," and a Democratic President would have gotten Osama. This article supports that "reality," therefore it is authentic.
The propriety of executing someone who has not been charged with the crime is assumed, because the propriety of invading a country with no proven links to the crime, as planned before the crime occurred, is not questioned.
Another version of "reality" is described here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/22/171317/38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schurz#Schurz_on_.22The_True_Americani...
by Ningen on Friday, December 22, 2006 05:35:43 PM
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The other version of "reality" that is described in the dKos "reality" as "unbeleivable" is this:
But they also know that this country got attacked on 9/11 and as one soldier told me when I reenlisted him in the combat zone, I asked him, I said, son, why are you reenlisting? You could go home to your family and see your first child born. He looked me right in the eye and he said, General, don't you get it? These people attacked our country. They killed our citizens. Every fight from now on has to be an away game. This is a different fight."
Open letter to "conspiracy expert" Fenster
I wrote an open letter to the law prof quoted in the Tampa Tribune article. t told him about it but have not received a response.
http://ningens-blog.blogspot.com/2006/12/open-letter-to-conspiracy-exper...
That is a wonderful letter.
That is a wonderful letter. Activism in a nut-shell. Write letters. I wrote an e-mail to my university's (Arkansas- Fort Smith) library requesting "9-11 and American Empire: Intellectual Speak Out" by Dr. David Ray Griffen and received a warm reception and a confirmation that the book would be in for the Spring semester. Make sure the information is in the right place, where minds that desire knowledge will get it. 9-11 Truth has to reside on the bookshelves of libraries across the country.
synchronicity
My siamese cat is from Clearwater, FL. Flew all the way across the country to LA. He's got good roots.