9/11 Accountability Conference: Tarpley Emphasizes the Brzezinski Warning

Along with the media collection at the Citizen's Advocate, several media clips from the 9/11 Accountability Conference in Chandler, Arizona, have been posted at YouTube by Paula Gloria, Producer of "Farther Down the Rabbit Hole" which airs on the Manhattan Neighborhood Network.

Tarpley emphasizes the significance of Brzezinski's warning of a pretext to launch a suicidal war against Iran and other states. He also decries "holocaust denial" very directly, "Holocaust denial to me is pure historical idiocy. It is an absurdity from a historical point of view to deny the obvious facts of genocide against Jews and other populations in central Europe under the Nazi regime." (at the 00:53 mark)

EDIT: This video is primarily about Neocon war escalation and what you can do to prevent a global nuclear war, and not "holocaust denial". Nonetheless, when the preeminent MIHOPer goes out of his way to make such a clear statement on where he stands on such a touchy issue, it's news.

Other media clips;

NYC Truth Characters at the conference;

Tarpley's talk with Q&A;

Tarpley's appearances on Manhattan Neighborhood Network;

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I'm with Tarpley.

What he said.

Gilad Atzmon

I am With Gilad Atzmon on this subject He is Jewish and he doesnt use fear to persuade.

The Holocaust Religion

"Yeshayahu Leibowitz, the philosopher who was an observant orthodox Jew, told me once: "The Jewish religion died 200 years ago. Now there is nothing that unifies the Jews around the world apart from the Holocaust." (Uri Avnery[3])

Philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz, the German born Hebrew University professor, was probably the first to suggest that the Holocaust has become the new Jewish religion. 'The Holocaust' is far more than historical narrative, it indeed contains most of the essential religious elements: it has its priests (Simon Wiesenthal, Elie Wiesel, Deborah Lipstadt, etc.) and prophets (Shimon Peres, Benjamin Netanyahu and those who warn about the Iranian Judeocide to come). It has its commandments and dogmas ('never again', 'six million', etc.). It has its rituals (memorial days, Pilgrimage to Auschwitz etc.). It establishes an esoteric symbolic order (kapo, gas chambers, chimneys, dust, Musselmann, etc.). It has its shrines and temples (Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum and now the UN). If this is not enough, the Holocaust religion is also maintained by a massive economic network and global financial infrastructures (Holocaust industry a la Norman Finkelstein). Most interestingly, the Holocaust religion is coherent enough to define the new 'antichrists' (the Deniers) and it is powerful enough to persecute them (Holocaust denial laws).

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two votes for Gilad!

Thanks GIR! There is unfortunately a strain of the 9/11 movement that sees condemning "holocaust denial" as necessarily part and parcel of demanding 9/11 truth. As if it mattered, when talking about an unsolved murder, who exactly believes the murder to be unsolved and what they believe about a totally separate issue. Those who insist on lumping the two together are those who want to make blind acceptance of the holocaust narrative some kind of prerequisite for demanding the truth about 9/11.

And so it goes--we can try not to mention it but there will always be those who bring it up, who piggyback that issue onto the 9/11 truth movement. Like Webster Tarpley, who apparently never left the Larouche mindset of mass indoctrination. And it's not just him either, it's an entire campaign it seems, designed to MAKE the holocaust an issue linked to 9/11. Why else would the Arizona organizers have given the limelight to a "holocaust denier", prompting the theatrical posturing of the Loose Change guys (who must be so close to hollywood fame they can smell it!)

The only conclusion we can safely draw is that some people WANT the holocaust to be linked to 9/11--perhaps because if the truth about 9/11 indeed involves, as it seems to, Israel, the holocaust will still serve as a safe-haven for the Zionist victim cult. Well, sure they engineered 9/11, but only because the holocaust traumatized them! Kind of like--well sure Americans destroyed the middle east--but only because 9/11 traumatized them.

The ugly truth is that 9/11 and the holocaust are forever intertwined because they are very similar in the way they have been used to manipulate people, to make them fearful, to make them seek security from dirty politicians, to not question the actions of your leaders so as not to betray your tribe/nation.

Oh yes, this is the big lie all right. Getting the truth out about 9/11 is one thing. Exposing the full extent of the entire charade of elites' use of mythology, lies, and fear is something altogether more threatening to the powers that be.

You can't put a genie back in the bottle. Webster Tarpley can't. The Loose Change kids can't. The truth lives on so long as the people are free to think. And people will be free to think as long as they are willing to think. Some people should cut their losses at this point, but they won't. Blame them when things get (more) out of hand.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Quotable Quotes

"The ugly truth is that 9/11 and the holocaust are forever intertwined"

and people like you are making sure of it.

your blog

in the past has included interviews with Christopher Bollyn. CNN used Bollyn like a weapon against us for his perceived anti-semitic positions.

what are you more interested in? 9/11? or the holocaust/zionism question?

because - like it or not - linking these issues is destroying this movement.

Show "from within or without?" by bruce1337

This the 911 Truth movement

Not the holocaust Truth movement

please make a list

of things that we're not allowed to talk about John--that would be easier for everyone!

for the record, are we also not to mention OKC, Northwoods, the USS Liberty, Pearl Harbor?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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You may mention the Liberty

just make sure to emphasize that it were truly egyptian bombers that barraged it, or so does my memo say. They could pull this off only because the USAF and so on were kinda messing up on this day, you know...


Holocaust denial
Space Beams
No Planes

just the OBVIOUS poison to this movement. most morons get this. but this is just my opinion.

and - of course - accusing me of being an agent should be off limits. (one of your favorite accusations)

one of these kids is not like the other...

I think Nico Haupt should be added to the list of things not to mention. Also, references to feces and swastikas. Oh wait, that's exactly half your posts right there, gone!

I also don't think it's all that necessary to accuse you of being an agent--your actions and words speak for themselves. What is interesting is how you INSIST on not being called an agent. As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE here could be an agent, and NO ONE is exempt from scrutiny in that sense.

I think the fact that you are so defensive, AND the one who tries to crown himself the "spotter of disinfo" based on your obsession with Nico, pretty much outs you.

But hey, that's just my opinion.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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and you're a holocaust denier


i feel okay with this dichotomy

you accuse me of being an agent - denouncing me for fighting the defilement of my local church with swastikas - while you yourself defend the holocaust deniers.

anyone see a pattern here> anyone? anyone?

Sure, I see patterns.

"Holocaust Denial"

Insistence upon marrying these two words into a phrase, as if continuing to pretend that you have not heard that it really doesn't exist in any real and pervasive manner, is telling.

It is absurd ab intitio (from the beginning), to accuse someone of denying the holocaust, in a phrase simple.

What you are perpetuating yourself, John, is the use of an absurd phrase. Again, I'm sure you've heard.

What IS BEING DENIED is the ground to stand upon... that the holocaust against humanity perpetrated by bastards such as those sick f'n Nazis... was a crime ONLY against jews.

You would sustain more sympathy (from me, at least), if you made a better effort at explaining the situation more clearly, than just saying "Holocaust Denial" shouldn't be given the time of day... because it surely has been given more time for clarity than you seem interested in acknowledging.

What say you?

you are

stepping into a discussion that long ago digressed into extremes.

suffuce it to say that SOME PEOPLE seem intent in LINKING the 911 Truth movement to holocaust denials.

my opinion is that anyone who persists in dragging the holocaust into the 911 Truth movement - and linking them - is damaging this movement.

now - i think you probably already know this.

the secondary issue is the strange phenomenon here of DISRUPTION that occurs simply because i DARED to state this. usually avoid certain people for this reason - but - given the disturbances lately with swastikas defiling my local church - and the disturbance in Arizona - i this this is a sufficient enough reason to take on this fight - and let the chips fall where they may.

the jons

the jons also insist that flight 77 hit the pentagom and say that it hurts the movement if you say flight 77 didnt hit the pentagon...

Each of you is annoying as

Each of you is annoying as shit in your own way.

Do us all a favor and all of you take your egos elsewhere and STFU already. Open your mouths when it is useful and STFU when it isn't.


thanks for the useful advice!

what are you in real life, a warden? any other commands while you're at it, herr führer?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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More On Topic stuff

Hey Webster, you forgot one...

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

This talk is NOT about the Holocaust

I’ve only watched the first half of this talk so far, but it is clearly not about the Holocaust. It is a about an impending nuclear world war and what we can do to prevent it. It is a very important talk, and I urge everyone to watch it.

Could someone please repost this news item and remove the Holocaust element.

Thank you

you dont think its wise to

you dont think its wise to distance ourselves from holocaust deniers?

0 tolerence for muslems

Its not about Holocaust denial Danm it read the article and find one thing were he denies anything The fact is The USA has a pro pro pro Israel policy and look what it is doing our country wake up its the neo cons and there o tolerence for muslems


....as long as we don't distance ourselves from freely exposing/discussing any evidence that points to Israeli/Zionist involvement in 9/11.

(Along with discussing any and all other entities involved, as well).

Amazingly, it seems some people feel that the HD label is an effective "force-field" against any critical examinations of Israeli activity. That just bandying around that label whenever they feel threatened instantly discredits whomever is discussing this evidence and gets Israel off the hook....


I'm sorry, but the Holocaust doesn't give Israeli or Zionist interests immunity from any subsequent criminal operations. That's not gonna play...

It's incredible to me that this unrelated, gratuitous smear has gotten as much attention and traction as it has. Anyone who tries to connect 9/11 with the Holocaust should be laughed out of the room.

At this point

anyone who INTENTIONALLY brings up the holocaust on these message boards can pretty much be seen as an enemy of this movement.

Its been PROVEN to be poison to this movement - and has NO relevance to 9/11.

woah, woah, woah!

Anything else off limits for a reasonable discussion? Must've missed the memo...

The only thing poisonous to truth is untruth, such as space-beam gibberish, which we rightfully condemned after examination. Please tell me how this topic is destroying the movement - is it because the MSM predictably jump on it, to widen the spectrum of smears to also include include antisemitism? If media response is any indication for the rights or wrongs of the truth movement - or its prospects for future survival - then we've been destroyed about 3 years ago...

So please, at least tell me why this should destroy the movement before you unilaterally indict everyone you disagree with as enemies. Okay?

that's my opinion

is that reasonable?

Is it reasonable to state that this movement is being SLANDERED by CNN and newspapers and publications all over America as anti-semitic and holocaust deniers?

Is it reasonable to state that this subject is PROVEN to be doing us harm - and in the scheme of things irrelevant to our stated objectives of exposing 9/11?

at this point - seeing the DAMAGE that is being done to our movement by the perceived association with anti-semitism and holocaust denial - YES - it is my OPINION that anyone who continues to force this issue into our movement is HARMING us.

Is that a reasonable opinion?


We're already being slandered as crazy, delusional, yada yada yada - how's another smear on top of that going to do harm? Really, tell me! How is it "proven" that the subject is doing us harm? Tell me, also!

For all I know, a reasonable opinion is one based on facts and logic. In your post, I'm sorely missing both of these key components, so I'll be blunt and say: No, yours doesn't seem to be a reasonable opinion. On the contrary, your call to vilify all who don't share said opinion as "enemies" makes it appear all but...

Do I not think it wise…

…to distance ourselves from Holocaust deniers?

Tarpley must have had some reason why he felt the need to comment (briefly) on Holocaust denial, and he was unequivocal in his condemnation of HD. From the posts on this thread, it would appear that something needed saying.

There are vastly more urgent issues raised by Tarpley in his talk (note; I’ve only seen the first 35 minutes so far). I think it would be sad if discussing HD or the deniers were to distract from these other issues.

who is beating the war drum

Read the article it touches on all the subjects that Tarpley talks about, but Tarpley fails to connect the dots that really have the power in congress the senate and the president AIPAC and the owners of the MSM Think about who is beating the war drum who is beating the war drum.

Take your time read the article approach it with a total open mind and draw your own conclusion dont be narrorow minded

a time will come

When those who blindly defend Israel will be seen in exactly the same light as those who blindly defend the US. And that includes Israelis AND non-Israeli Jews.

The double standard that lives off of accusations of bigotry is living on borrowed time. What self-respecting Jewish person wants to be a slave to the lies of Israeli equivalents of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld?

Of course so long as Jews around the world are coerced into not questioning their own history and religious tradition, they will feel besieged by hordes of anti-semites. Same way that evangelical protestants feel they are persecuted by a wicked world of secular liberals.

Divide and conquer has long served corrupt leaders--there are NO EXCEPTIONS. The truth is EQUAL OPPORTUNITY and DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE.

Only once we expose ALL the lies can ALL people live in peace and harmony--whether they choose to live in the "holy land" or anywhere else. The choice is obvious--a holy land or a land full of holes.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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I added a statement;

EDIT: This video is primarily about Neocon war escalation and what you can do to prevent a global nuclear war, and not "holocaust denial". Nonetheless, when the preeminent MIHOPer goes out of his way to make such a clear statement on where he stands on such a touchy issue, it's news.

Anyone else...

Think discussions and debates about the Holocaust should not take place on this site? I mean, the site is called 911Blogger.com, not HolocaustBlogger.com. Unless of course we want to prove people like Stephen Lemons right.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I agree. Me thinks RT doth protest too much

This blog has nothing to do with the holocaust issue - yet here we have Real Truther once again injecting it into the discussion.

As if the disgraceful episode in Arizona is not ENOUGH of a warning sign that this issue is POISON to this movement, and to avoided at ALL COSTS, we have the usual suspects foisting it upon us again.

Yes - Real Truther will bristle and play the rightious indignation up, claiming that he is not a holocaust denier - and hammering the differences between anti-semitism and anti-zionism, blah blah blah......(yawn) but there is just one thing suspicious about this behavior.... it has NO PLACE in this discussion. NONE.

Its as if RT intentionally disrupts by injecting this subject into the movement over and over and over again when it is a PROVEN poison pill for the movement - has no relevance to the subject at hand - and then (suprise surprise) Casseia shows up to back him up and vote down any posts that disagree.

I can't believe that he even used the WORD Holocaust in another one of his posts. wow. talk about dense.

this clown openly accuses me of being on "the zionist landlord's" payroll - spreading rumors about me being an agent and a shill for the 911 murderers - claiming i was part of a non-existent scandal involving anonymous posts and multiple identities here - smearing my reputation every chance he gets - in between playing the anti-semitism meme whenever the chance arises KNOWING FULL WELL that this 'meme' is KILLING this movement.

All These Disputes, Over And Over

Yeah, John. If it isn't conferences it's email battles or comment thread battles or group dynamics battles or, well, I could go on.

Every moment wasted on stuff in the remote past (this issue 60+ years) is time not spent working to get justice for the victims. There will be lot's of time later to work this subject, and it could be interesting, but not now.

Collectively, everyone involved in this movement needs perhaps to try to think conciously about how they can "look outwards".


thanks for your help on that 'other' issue.

have you seen this:


"Nico Haupt was a well respected NY 911 truth activist before Les ever popped up and was declared leader. He is a well respected researcher, especially on the topic of war games, and his research is cited in several of the top 911 truth books that exist. (Crossing the Rubicon, Towers of Deception, and Synthetic Terror, perhaps others that I've yet to read)"

Well Respected Like I Am As The Easter Bunny

; )

Its amazing

how easy it is to stampede people in this movement. Now Luke and his gang are stampeding in Nico's direction? Jesus.

Ryan's opinions are his own

He is not speaking for "Luke and his gang". 

The Eleventh Day of Every Month


But they are all echoing Nico's nonsense about Urantia and the CIA....in a very public way. These opinions echoing Nico's "research" do not need to be aired so publicly on a website - do they?

Nico has zero credibility - and i think it is QUITE apparent that he succeeded in dividing the NYC movement - yet again.

I'm not taking sides in this dog-fight. i'm just saying.. it appears that Nico is at the center of this divide. no?

Some might see parallels:

dividing movements, being center stage of the divide, being "activists" since day one, coming from the same money laundry connected company...

You know, I'm just saying. My reasonable opinion, as it were.

As with the infamous Nico video

it's EXTREMELY important not to get so hung up on the obvious disruption that you miss the rest of it. Nico is so completely over the top that his "ability" to disrupt suggests misdirection.


i'm secretly a Nico pawn working in a good-cop bad-cop scheme.

and the proof is that i am opposing holocaust deniers.

everyone knows that good legitimate researchers seek to tie 911 to the holocaust.


good work


Not so much, John, we all know.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Another lie...

Do you even know what truth is?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

hey you forgot to tag in!

And why is the other John distracting the ref like that? Put down the metal chair, buddy. Anyway no I have no idea what truth is. Is that one of things that some Patsystani supposedly wired to some Arab who didn't hijack anything?


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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You're right

the fact that i am standing up here to oppose the holocaust deniars from using this website to discuss revisionist history and nazi-defends makes me "suspect" and makes me a 'divider"


well - that works both ways. i suppose we could 'speculate' that the people who continually post the obviously anti-semitic crap here are the 'agents' sent to poison this movement.

but i don't go that far.

Yea, you don't:

"At this point anyone who INTENTIONALLY brings up the holocaust on these message boards can pretty much be seen as an enemy of this movement.

Its been PROVEN to be poison to this movement - and has NO relevance to 9/11."


thanks for repeating it. i stand by that quote

the holocaust has no place in the 911 truth movement.


Nico isn't the only one working to divide

I have now witnessed firsthand some of the shenanigans going on behind the scenes with that group and the only comment I'm going to make on the topic is that I support the activists of NY911Truth in reorganizing their group to more democratically represent the interests of its members.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

What YT said.

It is clear that serious housecleaning needs to take place there.

who needs groups?

they're the easiest way to infiltrate and subvert a movement.

coordinated action is great, but groups tend to do much more--they are vehicles for imposing groupthink, just like John Albanese likes to enforce groupthink here.

If your group is sucking, then go out by yourself with a sign, or DVDs. It is SO easy to take the truth to people who are hungry for it. It is SO pointless to waste time with any dysfunctional group.

See, it's not the badge that makes an officer bad, it's the trumped up sense of authority. Many people on this site have a trumped up sense of authority, and speak as if on behalf of a movement that never elected them. They like to tell people not to even think about some things, let alone write about them. Well guess what? That is the best way to get me to to persist, because I know that there is always a reason when someone discourages you from looking into something.

By now it's clear that the holocaust and 9/11 will forever be linked--at don't blame me, I would have had no inkling to question the holocaust until people started complaining about how some 9/11 truth people also questioned the holocaust. But linked they are, and, I believe, with good reason. It's taken me a while to figure out why and how, but it is undeniable. I used to make a policy of not bringing it up unless someone else did, but now I see there's no point to that.

Be warned!


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Real Truther

Why do you accuse me of imposing groupthing? how am i imposing anything on anyone? i am but one voice among many. i have no undo influence over anyone or anything.



I forgot RT - YOU are the only one who is allowed to express opinions around here.

Ay, cap'n -- he kenna take much morrrrrre!

His caps lock key is gonna blow!

Remember that incident, John? I do.

yeah sure

wink wink

nod nod

tell me John - do you still beat your wife?

John Albanese

I agree that you have no influence over anyone or anything. That doesn't stop you from trying to intimidate people into not thinking about things. When have I ever forced anyone to agree with me? How would that work anyway? I do exactly what you do, except that I am an honest if obnoxious truthseeker, and you are...just obnoxious.

Sorry, but your all caps reminded me of the time you threatened to "take it to the next level" with me after I outed you when you were posting anonymously and denying being you.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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"When have I ever forced anyone to agree with me? "

This would be a perfect example. Once again I express opinions that you do not like and you openly accuse me of being an agent. you smear my name. you reduce the entire debate into the GUTTER with personal insults and accusations.

so now i'm an agent - a divider - for opposing holocaust denial in the 911 Truth movement?


I've just about had it with

I've just about had it with all of the things which are easily seen to be a detrimental factor to the movement. And that goes for people trying to bring in the holocaust, people who want to focus all their energy talking about how evil zionists are, people who want to focus on debating minutia, no planers, space beamers, people that feel the need to use the term 'illuminati' all the time, etc.

All of it hurts the movement. I don't care if it hurts your feelings. I don't care if you want to be a purist about this or that issue.


This movement should just be about exposing the lies of this administration and the 911 Commission and demanding accountability on the issue of 911.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

I've even seen the victim's families attacked by some on these boards. I've seen good sincere activists smeared and slandered - simply for not declaring that MIHOP is their personal belief - and making it their APPROACH to activism.

At this point its a joke. and you can see how our enemies are using it against us. we make it so easy for them.

if we were JUST activists - lined up with the victim's families - demanding answers and exposing lies - NO ONE COULD TOUCH US. that's all it took with Watergate. Proof that Nixon lied and covered-up. no one gave a shit to speculate what kinds of LOCKS were on the doors of the Watergate Hotel when they broke in.

but no. there are those among us who INSIST on PROVIDING the answers - theories - opinions - and personal prejudices - as facts.

and then everyone acts SURPRISED that the media cuts our legs out from under us.

your problem John

Is that you attribute any kind of importance to what CNN says. And complain about other truthers as if we had any control over what CNN says. You really think that CNN is ever going to cover this issue fairly, like when the last "holocaust denier" officially disavows 9/11 truth? Wolf Blitzer will suddenly say--hey you know what? Now that the holocaust deniers are gone, I think 9/11 MAY HAVE BEEN an inside job!

Yeah, that's the ticket! Because people have EVERY REASON to ignore the obvious truths about 9/11 as long as unsavory people can also see the obvious truth.

You just make no sense, John, that's why your shill operation here is such a disaster. You just don't convince anyone of anything.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Accusing me of being an agent/shill

is tired

get a new line

holocaust denial has nothing to do with 911, and you seem to be in the center of EVERY debate that involves this subject.

'nuff said

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

"- claiming i was part of a non-existent scandal involving anonymous posts and multiple identities here "

You admitted this and it is documented, so denying it does not help your credibility.

I admitted

I admitted that i started posting anonymously after my name was being publicly dragged through the mud. i regretted using my real name because i could see that there were those intent on smearing me. i have since rethought this

on the other hand YOU were publicly accusing me of posting posts that I DID NOT WRITE. It was an attempt to embarass and intimidate me.

You further accused me of posting under multiple identities which was a BALD FACED LIE.

In fact - during the period this was going on i needed to go into the hospital for a short stay. i found it quite humorous to come out of the hospital and return to Blogger to discover that you and RT were STILL accusing me of posting shit (that i did not write) over the weekend when i was busy taking care of my health.


of course - it would be impossible for YOU to be wrong. you can see through brick wall with your XRay vision.

to each his own

And here we go again, John Albanese injecting Nico Haupt (below) wherever he can. With John Albanese it's always Nico did this and Nico did that. Never mind what the 9/11 perps did--it's really about Nico Haupt. And people wonder why some actually think Nico has anything to do with 9/11 Truth.

John Albanese will go on and on about Nico, and then complain when Nico gets attention. On the subject of 9/11 itself, John Albanese has little to contribute except a watered down version of LIHOP where Pakistan helped the hijackers carry out their attack. And he's part of the truth movement? Sure he is.

Funny how you think Casseia and I somehow coordinate our actions, too. We are far from the John and Jon tag team that has shown up in this thread and many others. In fact I understand you guys tag team offline as well, with coordinated private messages to other users. But hey, you can play whatever game you like here for whatever you think it's accomplishing.

For the record, what I think is that part of your job with whoever you work for is to steer the 9/11 truth movement away from scrutiny of Israel. One way to do that is to pretend that "holocaust deniers" are a THREAT to the movement. As proof you point to how our sworn enemies, the MSM, emphasize the fact that some "holocaust deniers" also "deny 9/11". You then suggest that we modify our behavior, thoughts, and discussions in capitulation to the MSMs cheap attempts at distraction.

This is pretty obvious John--as it's obvious why you focus on LIHOP, and why half your posts are complaints about Nico Haupt and other outrageously unbelievable BS. You silly shilly clown! You're not fooling anyone, you know, even if I'm one of the only people who likes to remind you of it.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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Such BS...

Is there anything else you'd like to lie about?

We are far from the John and Jon tag team that has shown up in this thread and many others. In fact I understand you guys tag team offline as well, with coordinated private messages to other users. But hey, you can play whatever game you like here for whatever you think it's accomplishing.

Please Real Truther... lie some more.

And "Holocaust Deniers" ARE a threat to this movement. Stephen Lemons proved that beyond a shadow of doubt.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

who the hell is Stephen Lemons, and who cares?

I sure as heck don't. Anyway, deny all you want, and accusing me of denying whatever you want. Unlike some people who like to think it's all about them (which is one reason they use their "real" names) I think it's about the facts.

So, you really think that anyone who would ignore the facts surrounding 9/11 because they are tricked into believing that it somehow makes them a bigot is someone that the truth movement can't afford to alienate? Please. If you deny 9/11 because you're afraid of or turned off by holocaust revisionists then you are a sad sad piece of shit.

It seems like defending the holocaust narrative is MUCH more important than exposing the truth about 9/11 to some people here. Which is not at all surprising, given how learning the truth about 9/11 opens people's eyes to a whole range of other incredible examples of deception.

Yeah, it IS that obvious. And I will have none of it, sorry.

Questioning the holocaust is illegal in Germany and will land you in jail. That is just SICK. And that is what will happen with 9/11 in the US if we don't learn from the holocaust example.


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

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You lied about me...

And I called you on it. You've lied about me before and I've called you on it. What is your purpose here? Is it to play 6 degrees of separation between Larry Silverstein, the Zionists, Israel, and 9/11? Is it to make people like Stephen Lemons look intelligent by making us appear as "Holocaust Deniers?" Is it to smear, and discredit those in this movement that are actually trying to succeed? What is your purpose here?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

six degrees? you're an optimist!

My purpose here is to call out BS where I see it. And the way you keep insisting that I've lied about you is funny. You and John consistently downplay the glaringly obvious 9/11 connections to Israel. You do the opposite with the tiny and insignificant thread connecting Pakistan to 9/11. Instead of engaging in serious debate on those issues, you jump at any opportunity to shut down anyone who replies to "holocaust denial" referenced on blogger. As I said before, *I* NEVER raise the holocaust issue unless someone else does, because I don't think that this site should be used to denounce "holocaust denial" without a rebuttal.

Is that so hard for you to understand? You can pretend that your complaining about holcaust "denial" anmong members of the movement is about defending the movement, but it isn't--it's about using this forum to defend the official holocaust narrative and then shush anyone who takes issue with the blanket endorsement that would result.

You're not dealing with morons, you realize.


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Not everyone here is a moron. Just certain select few. If you had said the opposite, "You can pretend that your complaining about holocaust "denial" among members of the movement is about defending the official holocaust narrative but it isn't - it's about defending this movement", you would been more accurate. See, I care about this cause. Unlike some individuals.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Show "Real Truther is a CLEAR disruptor" by John Albanese

I'd Guess You're Not In NYC

Or you would have more insight on this. The distraction caused by Nico's antics have been an endless time waster to all of us here. Oh, and did I mention him being used as a pawn in other's agendas... John's not obsessed, he's just pointing this out.

I guess you are in NYC and it has limited your perspective

because to those of us looking in at an event like the Nico church-appearance disruption from the outside, what is clear is that some people have an interest in being laughably impotent in the face of such "antics." That is just one example, I realize, but an instructive one.

Why in the WORLD would a group just sit there with a picture of poop and a bunch of pseudo-Nazi gibberish scotch-taped to the walls while they had their meeting?

because it makes good theatre of course!


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Show "and maybe" by John Albanese

I Was Not There Then

And I 'm wondering why too, so please don't blame me for being inactive on it. FYI

My post...

Entitled "Anyone else..." got as high as 8 votes I noticed. Now it is down to 6. I'd be interested to know who voted that post down, and who wants to continue discussing the Holocaust on this site. Who wants to help people like Stephen Lemons paint this movement as "Holocaust Deniers"?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I voted it down

and here's why:

I don't care whoever smears this movement as anything other than it is - an inspiring community of open minded people searching for the truth, as smears are an indication of an argument devoid of reason - are we here to please the unreasonable?

I do care however about free speech and free inquiry, and the open attempts to limit the debate, as documented above in very alarming tone by Mr. Albanese, truly disturb me. Allow open discourse and let the chips fall where they may - in case of space beams in the dustbin, where they belong, and in this case also wherever they belong, once we've figured out where that is.

Another way to put your question would be: "I'd be interested to know who wants to forcibly limit the spectrum of debate like they do on Kos?"

Are you really like one of those people, Jon?

And there it is...

A diatribe about "free speech". No one has censored the Holocaust discussions on this board. No one has banned anyone that discusses the Holocaust on this board. What has happened is a suggestion to stop the discussions about Holocaust Revisionism on this 9/11 specific website. It has no place here, and is detrimental to this movement, as Stephen Lemons proved beyond a shadow of doubt.

As a matter of fact, here is a Holocaust Revisionism specific forum for anyone that wants to discuss it.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Show me the proof, please.

And while no one has yet censored discussion of the subject, this is just what's now being proposed by you and Mr. Albanese, or is it not?


I'm the one that brought it up. John had absolutely nothing to do with it.

And what are you asking for proof of? That Holocaust Revisionism is detrimental to this movement?

Gee, how many people cancelled their trips to Arizona because of Eric Williams association with the conference? Why did screwloosechange.com decide to focus on Eric Williams' association with the conference? Did they, on a whim, decide to focus on that aspect of the conference, hoping it would hurt us, or did they know it would? Did Stephen Lemons manage to disrupt the press conference because of it? Did he or did he not write at least 5 articles painting this entire movement as Holocaust Deniers? Did he do so because he wanted to help us or hurt us? The answer to that question is obvious.

And guess what, these tactics have been used against groups such as ours for years. Let's ignore history, and repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Now the question is:

Would these same people have cancelled their trips were it not for loud voices inside the movement to boycott the event? How many people are not attending 9/11 Truth events because they're turned off by the taboo of 9/11 truth? You think we should rather not talk about that subject as well?


Bruce1337, if you want to talk about Holocaust Revisionism, there are plenty of other sites for you to do so. If you can't see how being associated with it is detrimental to this movement, then there's really nothing to talk about.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

if the poster of this blog wanted to...

talk about holocaust revisionism, why didn't HE post this at CODOH? Nope, he threw it right in there, as Tarpley did, and everyone else at the Arizona conference. Is it my fault? Nope. Am I going to sit here and not point out what a ridiculous term "holocaust denial" is? Nope.

Holocaust "deniers" don't deny the holocaust--they are people who think that history should not be falsified no matter how noble the intent (if you consider throwing on some extra demonization on your vanquished foe a noble thing). Sadly, the history of the holocaust has been falsified since day one by the soviets and Stalin. The first holcoaust revisionists were official holocaust scholars who realized that a lot of what they assumed to be true was soviet propaganda. No lampshades or soap were made from Jews, for example. Was it wrong to let people know that was a false claim? Should we just have said, well, the Nazis were evil so we may as well let people believe that. Would you, Jon, have accused people making the correction of being vile?

So we see from history that nothing is beyond suspicion. We also see just how much the elites like to manipulate people with false historical narratives. We know that 9/11 was the most recent example of that. And yet we should be afraid to discuss these things because Wolf Blitzer will make fun of us--or some drunkard reporter in Arizona will turn the entire US population against 9/11 truth.

I realize now why the first time this came up, you said you refused to discuss the holocaust, Jon. I can see why--because you would have to admit that the issue of holocaust "denial" is not everything it's cracked up to be.

Anyway, keep on policing those thoughts, officer Gold!

And don't forget to tag out when you're finished--I think John probably has something to add before we all get asked politely to knock it off by dz...


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It's not rocket science...

Holocaust Revisionsm or Holocaust Denial has nothing to do with holding those responsible, accountable for the murder of 2,973+ people on 9/11. Period. If you think it does, then by all means, go start your own 911HolocaustBlogger.com. It has no place on this site.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I just love the logic

you accuse us me censoring you by simply expressing my opinions - while you simultaneously attack me and accuse me of being an agent in league with Nico. you attempt to silence me with accusations while continuing to defend the most VILE of subjects - holocaust denial.


let me break it down for you. i consider holocaust deniars, or those who seek to minimize the numbers of those who died in the holocaust, or those who seek to accuse jews of "using the holocaust" while they themselves are USING IT to tie it to every other issue... i consider these people the lowest form of pond scum on earth.

This is just my OPINION. now tell me - am i an agent?

oh boy, this threads gonna

oh boy, this threads gonna get crazy i can see........


Perhaps the compass can swing back to Webster's presentation, that was quite powerful (I was there). While it did not deal with the 9/11 event, it certainly outlined where the event will take us. I think we should stop bickering and reboot.

Could not agree more.

I was there, too, and my take on Tarpley's "aside" about the Holocaust was that is was his attempt to redirect our attention to what really matters at THIS point in time.

to anyone that knows..

what is a holocaust denier???

is it anyone that questions ww2??? or is it only people that think that the holocaust didnt happen at all???

it seem that when anyone questions ww2 theyre labeled a holocaust denier and that is just bullshit!!!

are you telling me that you know the whloe truth about ww2??? thats fucking funny...

turn it around

On the one hand, there are those that are trying to connect Holocaust denial with 9/11 denial, as if we are saying that 9/11 did not occur. (Excluding the Jews did it scenario) If the Holocaust is to be brought up at all, I would look at it this way: Yes the Holocaust DID occur, and we say: NEVER AGAIN. Never again will we allow a government to get away with murdering 3,000 innocent civilians or another 600,000 more. Because we DO remember the Holocaust.

On Topic

Those out there reading this thread in the "audience"...

get a clear example of "wasting time" here...

notice nobody on here every engages in technical discussions, and instead, grandstand's for "defining" the movement. Closet readers out there: go dig back into Jones and retain some hard info for the real denial going on. Note: it has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with physics!

Clearly the rants on threads like this reveal that some people have a wee too much time on their hands. Preaching to the choir is phase1 of 911 truth.... and many are unable to move past it. They set aside the big issue they agree with: WTC demolitons, and then focus in on what they DON"T agree on!

Pretty stupid huh? Well, it entertains and stimulates them, and sabatoges the real purpose of all this...so to the audience reading this thread: Stick with science!

Great way to let this thread die is stop responding to the posts. Hard to carry on when nobody is talking back... Don't burn out by ingesting too much of this, stick with Jones, and keep it simple!

Tarpley's a gem

Let us not forget the facts and confront those wannabe politicians with the truth. It will be like a razor.

1. Giuliani - he helped remove the crime evidence before forensics could look at it. This is a federal felony and traitorous to the entire country. How could this man ever even think of being president ? He should be locked up already for life !!
He also knew WTC 1 and 2 were going to come down before they did. So, he must know who told him. He knows who the perps are and said nothing. He could of put the whole NWO crime gang into prison and he did not blow the whistle.
What we have here is a NWO stooge who doesnt give a damn about America, its constitution or the 300 million people who live here.

2. Hillary. The chameleon. Tells one side that she is against the war but then on the other she says there is no option that is not on the table when it comes to Iran. She will do anything to get elected. Her backer is Rupert Murdoch who is the propaganda mouth of the NWO. He is doesnt give a hoot about Iraqi or American lives, and couldnt give a crap about the USA.

3. Obama. He is backed by evil George Soros. He would agree to bombing Iran.

THe guy who wrote "War is a racket". He was a marine who admitted his whole role as a soldier was to get other countries to pay there debts to the banksters. He was a marine and a General (could be wrong about this, maybe a Major General ?) He finally figured out what he had been doing his whole life. He said that war is a complete scam. It makes the War industry corporations rich and leaves the soldiers for cannon fodder. The point I am want to make is that he finally said "There are only two reasons to fight a war. 1. if someone attacks your house and your family. and 2. if someone attacks your human rights." All other reasons are BULLSHIT and manufactured to convince a man to give his life to make another rich.

And lets not forget that:
Brzenzinski inferred a false flag attack by the USA was a possibility. And that a Gulf of Tonkin false flag was also a possiblity. He also said that a war with Iran would change our lives immensely for the worst. Lets tell all our friends and neighbors and congressman and whoever else will listen.

Also lets not forget that:
Putin said that the present situation is more dangerous than the Cuban missile crisis. Time to wake our friends up.

I have a question

If someone questions the 6 million number of jewish deaths in the holocaust are they considered a "denier"?

To me, absolutely not. The number was made up out of thin air. I don't even know that there are any true "holocaust deniers". There are people who question the numbers. They are much like us 9/11 truthers. Does anyone here deny that 9/11 happened? I don't think so. Let's drop the BS about the holocaust denier myth, accept that, like the official 9/11 story, the official holocaust story is likely not the true one, and move forward.

i agree.. it is just crazy

i agree.. it is just crazy to think that we know the whole truth about ww2...

i want to know what john thinks a holocaust denier is???

basically this--

If you are not one of a select few, you cannot question anything you are told about the holocaust, or you are a denier. If and when some aspect (like soap and lampshades and 4 million killed at Auschwitz) is decided by the select few to be wrong, then you may accept the new version, but you must NOT try to go farther than is officially allowed. You may point out that gassings that were alleged to have occured at a number of camps are no longer alleged to have occured there, but if that makes you wonder if gassings occurred at all, then you are a denier. And finally, the lesson learned by David Cole: if you are JEWISH and do your own research by videotaping your tour of Auschwitz and your interview of its director, the JDL will publish your name and address online and suggest that something bad happen to you (like when the JDL plotted to bomb a mosque and and Arab-American congressman's office). At that point you had better make up some baloney about your having been a victim of pathological self-loathing, because otherwise you will end up dead somewhere.

Yeah, it IS kind of like the mafia. Just not Italian.



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