Chertoff in Washington Post admits 9/11 truth has gone mainstream

Washington Post, Sun 4/22/07 Link to Post article

Michael Chertoff: "Since Sept. 11, a conspiracy-minded fringe has claimed that American officials plotted the destruction. But when scholars such as Zbigniew Brzezinski accuse our leaders of falsely depicting or hyping a "war on terror" to promote a "culture of fear," it's clear that historical revisionism has gone mainstream."

The rest of the article can be summarized thus:
"al-Qaeda... terror network... Osama Bin Laden ... kill Americans... islamist ideologues... al-Qaeda... al-qaeda and the Taliban... Sept. 11... Sept. 11... Islamic extremists' plot... horrific consequences... Sept. 11... al-Qaeda... al-Qaeda trained killers... "

I think this has to be seen as a measure of how far the 911truth movement has come. For the head of the department of Orwellian irony department to write this article in an attempt to shore-up the crumbling 9/11 myth shows just and how much the perpetrators fear the truth.

The tide has turned. The truth will out. It cannot be stopped.
Keep up the pressure.

Nice post.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Make no mistake, we know its war

and that you are waging it on us. It won't work again, Chertoff.

Understanding how the neocons think

In the book "Day of Deceit" irrefutable proof is presented that Roosevelt was aware of Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor and that he deliberately ordered a standdown of US defenses so as to create an excuse to enter World War Two. The author of the book, Robert Stinnett, considers Roosevelt justified in allowing the attack to have been carried out because Stinnett feels that only a large loss of life could have served as the necessary pretext to enter the war.

Similarly, those who orchestrated 9/11 most likely felt that a global confrontation akin to Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations was inevitable and that once the US was embroiled in a war, the American public would see that the 9/11 attacks were necessary to get us involved in a war in Middle East.

If another 9/11-style attack is carried out, it will be offered as proof that the US did the right thing in "taking the war to the terrorists" on their home turf. If no such attack is carried out, the public will be told that that is thanks to our timely intervention in the Middle East in the form of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Yes, let's understand how they think

They believe that only an enlightened elite is entitled to exercise power, an elite that feels entitled--justified--in lying to the people, in giving the masses unifying myths, mostly based on demonization of some Other. In short, be careful about taking their rhetoric at face value. Don't think for a second that just becuase they peddle that 'Clash of Civilizations' talk that they actually themselves believe it (just as neocons do not have to be religious themselves, even as they urge more religion for the vulgar herd not privileged enough to be among the elite). They know what they want and they know what they're doing--they're bent on world domination, see military dominance in the Middle East and Central Asia as the key to global domination, and the 'Clash of Civilizations' doctrine--driven home with some acts of false-flag terror--as the key to getting the American public to give them carte blanche to go about pursuing that regional and global military preeminence.

somebody has a guilty

somebody has a guilty conscience. i wonder why?

Odd how these nutbags

call 50% of the population "Fringe".


STFU Chertoff... We've heard your side of things for 6+ years now. If you're feeling nervous, it's because the truth is breathing down your neck.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

The gig's up Cherty

Talk about a Freudian slip.
Michael Chertoff: "Since Sept. 11's clear that historical revisionism has gone mainstream."
Yes, Mr Chertoff we are all aware you and your co-conspirators are attempting to revise history. It won't work. We know the truth.
Signed, We the People.

Chertoff's comment is illogical

Brzezinski is the ultimate insider. If he talks about false flag terrorism, how is that an indication of the "mainstream"? It's not. It's an indication from the very heart of empire.

Notice also the use of the phrase "historical revisionism," an attempt, once again, to connect 9/11 Truth with Holocaust denial. How can we be revisionists of a history that was never fully (or fairly) written?

There has never been a proper investigation of 9/11, Mr. Chertoff.

The term "historical revisionism"

is usually used in conjuncture with the Holocaust, however, its first origin was the war guilt question after world war one.

There are some major US "revisionist" who draw another pricture than some special interest sold us.

Bacically I think the "revisonism" version of this history is far more likely the basic truth, covered up by the same old powers that be.

And If you listen to "the crazy sectarian" orthodox jewish Neturei Karta, you'll find out that even they admitted, that Zionist had an interest in world war one and two. The first destroyed the Osmanian Empire, the second one brought their long time dream, an own state of refugees. That doesn't mean that Hitler is not guilty as hell, bus it implies a far more dangering truth. One so brutal to ones mind, that bacisally the State of Isreal got away with every crime thinkable.

Please consult...

this blog for some perspective on what you write here. There are several good posts in that thread.

In one that I sent in I mentioned that Arab lands were given away to European settlers after WWII, as everone knows. I pointed out that this give-away of a big land mass, owned by someone else, could not have happened without imperialism/colonialism ruling the day, as it did at that time.

Check out that blog and the comments if you are interesed.

Once you see it as a colonialism issue, a 'divide and rule' issue, lots of other conclusions change. Divide and Rule tacticians just love it when people name some religious group as the enemy. That is what happened back then, and continues now, in that area and also here. It doesn't make much sense for us to fall for that ruse, IMO.

The problem isn't any religious group. The enemy exists at the top of the power ladder.

Wow, thank you

I've been trying to get my mind around this problem for years, and you described the big picture very succinctly.

I go along with your point of view

once you understand the principles behind the curtain, the "divide and rule", the "problem-action-solution hegelian dialectic", you are able to view history in a new light.

Religion is and way always used by the rulers for their personal interest.

historical revisionism is like conspiracy theory

The term has come to be loaded with meaning it doesn't have. Just as conspiracies are constantly happening and being theorized about (by investigators like police detectives) history is constantly being revised--otherwise why would we need historians? To read the history that is set in stone?

As more people come to realize that there is nothing wrong with revising history, it becomes more important to apply the label "holocaust denier" to those who dare to question any aspect of what is known as "the Holocaust". The problem is that "the Holocaust" does not have a life of its own--it is a term applied to a series of events that involved tragic losses by Jewish people, among others.

To suppose that there is no need to revise the historical record of those events, or that anyone with an interest in doing so has bad intentions is to ignore the fact that the events HAVE been revised by mainstream historians numerous times, and always in ways that have made it less of a tragedy. Still a tragedy to be sure, but it is simply not disputed that the first accounts of Nazi crimes presented by the victors of WW2 were exaggerated.

Neither soap nor lampshades were made out of the bodies of the dead as was once believed. The number of dead at Auschwitz was revised down by several million in the 1980s. Facilities that were once claimed to have been homicidal gas chambers (at Dachau for instance) are no longer claimed by mainstream historians to have served that purpose.

The knee-jerk "you question it because you hate Jews" reaction quite frankly smacks of fear--fear that as the historical record is corrected the power of the narrative, in particular the support it generates for the existence of an apartheid Jewish state on stolen land, is undermined. Combined with the evidence of Israeli involvement in the events of 9/11 (the "Dancing Israelis") and in the coverup (Michael Chertoff is, after all, an Israeli) the existential threat to the state of Israel as currently structured is grave indeed, and justifiably so--hence the hair-trigger way some people have a certain reaction on the rare occasions when the subject comes up for discussion.

To learn more about these historical issues I highly recommend the work of Jewish-Canadian revisionist David Cole for the atheist view and Neturei Karta for the religious Jewish perspective. Though the mainstream press like to pretend that only David Duke types are interested in this research, that is simply not true, and saying so leads to needless harmful divisiveness over an issue that is of genuine importance to Jewish and non-Jewish people alike.


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Ever ask someone who

Ever ask someone who survived the holocaust about this "revisionism"?

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Hmmm... at what point did you lose interest

in the revisionist stuff at Opposing Digits?

But of course you are correct in what you imply here -- and therefore I resolve to no longer question the official 9/11 narrative. To do so is very hurtful and disrespectful of the family members.

how do you explain that there are so many holocaust survivors?

If the Nazis meant to exterminate all of Europe's Jews then why didn't they just kill them? Why bother building prison camps, and feeding and clothing them? And believe it or not, Mr. Sensitive, my grandmother was half polish and I do have at least one relative who survived her internment in a Nazi prison camp.

Do you have a point that you're trying to make?


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My understanding is that the intent

was to work them to death as slave labor, and those who could not work were murdered.

My view is informed by The Cunning of History: Mass Death and the American Future by Richard Rubenstein.

This is a powerful book that I highly recommend.

A reviewer says Rubenstein argues that "the mass murder of European Jewry could usefully be seen not as an aberration but rather as the culmination of several tendencies long present in western society:

Bureaucratic Domination . . . Nationalism . . . Forced Labor . . Mass Slaughter"

This book also might help explain how a court could rule that a bureaucracy lying about air safety after 9/11 for the good of the state ("community") does not shock the conscience.

revise this please))

The only reason there is Christians Muslims and Jews in this world is because of a book called the Bible invented them, there are a fiction. Is it the best book ever written or the worst. The problem with me I don’t have faith in Bible that man made book I don’t believe in Muslims Christians in Jews there just words we are flesh in blood people tangible not labels

Very nice ideals

But it has nothing to do with the fact that the Nazis made Jews stateless non-persons and killed them in labor death camps, along with Slavs and others. I see nothing to revise.


"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

a couple of points

What you're saying is that the 6,000,000 Jews that are alleged to have been killed (in homicidal gas chambers) were the ones who couldn't work? I find that a bit confusing.

I don't dispute that the Germans put people in prison camps and I don't find it hard to believe that those people may not have ever been released if Germany had not lost the war. It is also not hard to believe that the Germans would have agreed to release their prisoners if a truce had been declared. We don't know what would have been the fate of the camp inmates, in other words, because they were liberated. You would think though that when Germany knew it was on the verge of defeat they would have killed all their prisoners--if in fact their goal was extermination. No?

What is debated aside from numbers is the existence of homicidal gas chambers and oversized crematorium ovens (to handle the huge number of alleged victims). The gas alleged to have been used in these killings is Zyklon B. Zyklon B also happened to be the gas that was used in camp disinfestation chambers that no one denies existed and were in fact used for one reason alone--killing the lice that spread typhus. In fact even the mainstream narrative agrees that 95% of the Zyklon B used was for the documented delousing. While all the delousing chambers show telltale blue staining indicative of Zyklon B use, none of the alleged homicidal gas chambers show the residue.

I would ask you to cite what documents you refer to when talking about documented evidence of a plan to exterminate all Jews. And to link to properly sourced authentic pictures of either a homicidal gas chamber (with its location, i.e. which camp) and/or an oversized crematorium oven. Surely all of this evidence was photographed--where can we see the pictures?

And can I suggest that in general it is considered in poor form to post the exact same comment in at least three different threads in the span of several minutes? That is, by definition, spamming. And no Ningen, I don't mean you.


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Really, I think this debate

should be taken elsewhere. It does not help the pursuit of 9/11 truth. If Israel is in fact involved - it would not surprise me if they were involved in part - I would think their secret services want this kind of debate because it is discrediting. Sorry, that's what I think.

To answer your question, I think millions of Jews were enslaved and murdered, many worked to death, many simply murdered. I realize I joined the debate, but I don't want to say anything more about the matter.

Let's say you are right - propaganda became history. I don't want it to happen again with 9/11, and think that talking about the Holocaust helps that.

you can believe what you want to believe

this sounds a lot like the harvard democrat who told me that talking about 9/11 truth helps to discredit democrats, suggesting that I move THAT debate elsewhere. Interesting parallels...


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I recognize the parallels

which is why I agree with you on the principle that all subjects should be open for debate, but I also see important differences.

If you have a case to make against Israel or Zionists, can't you make it without talking about the Holocaust? I'm not seeing the need, particularly when it is so controversial.

hi friends, this is my fist

hi friends, this is my fist comment here, I am from Germany and born in a half-exnazi, half-exjewish family.
I know both sides very close and don`t feel like commenting on the history facts on holocaust and WW2 but I want to say that I just read a book about the roots of both and it is written by the 911 scholar Lloyd Demause. It s called "the emotional life of nations"
There you find a painful but very logical explanation about how it was possible what the germans did, and for this for Demause went into the generations before the war and found a lot of evidence for a very brutally way of parents to "educate" their childs.
The loose of empathy in childhood is main reason for most historical happenings and so I get interested again on 9/11.
It s very interesting to observe how the truth movement is developing, and I am sure that it connect ppl who are more sensible than others- those whose believe every word authoritys told them.
I think this movement shows a new development of childeducation and if this(9/11) would have happened some generations ago there wouldn t be so many ppl who question facts the government told them.
so keep on questionig and good luck, u (we) will win,..

"it is the theory that decides what we can observe"
Einstein on psychohistory

I do refrain from

Using the example of the holocaust in relation to 9/11, even though there are many parallels. What I cannot allow is for CNN and others to dictate terms by inventing a problem that does not exist, prompting a reaction that is unnecesary whereby in response to CNN and ohers' bogus claim about the truth movement being anti-semitic people hijack threads in order to support their interpretation (flawed) of what the holocaust entailed.

If people insist on pretending that CNN is worthy of being responded to on this point then I will have to respond to what I see as more obfuscation and conflation. I am the third in line here--first CNN making bogus allegations, then those on this site who take CNNs bait in order to promote their view of the holocaust, then me explaining why those people are wrong.

I could of course talk about how the holocaust narrative in vogue today is one of many examples of how history is distorted by proponents of the apartheid state of Israel, how that deception supports the case that those who insist on perpetuating a racist state really have to work overtime to create justification for something as indefensible as the wholesale theft of land, etc., and how this reality makes it particularly interesting that there are so many Israeli tie-ins to the events of 9/11.

That people go to such lengths to prevent those parallels from being drawn says to me that there is probably something to it.


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Nice comment

Yeah I think those are relevant issues we'd be cowardly to overlook.

I agree with you Ningen! All of these issues can be............

researched at length once we get our liberal democracy back, until then I'll just concentrate on what might bring that about.

Kind regards John


then why not join the democrats?

That is what they tell me. There may or may not be something to what you're saying they say (at best) but it's not going to help us get evil Bush out of power so shut up until we do.

But as I said, I only bring it up when people start playing the "quote CNN saying 9/11 truth is anti-semitic to justify injecting your support of the official holocaust narrative into a 9/11 discussion" game.

I offer a simple proposition--if people stop pretending that CNN has any credibility and stope responding to their straw man arguments I will not then respond to cartoon history with real facts. That cartoon that someone has posted on three different threads, including one that was 6 months old, looks a lot like the cartoon 9/11 commission report (the graphic novel.) You know why cartoon histories are written right? For people who can't handle real books. If you think history is simple enough to capture in a cartoon, well...


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You're missing the point

Association with "Holocaust deniers" is a powerful political weapon used to turn people off from looking at 9/11 , and I think you should be more sensitive to that.

My original purpose was not to justify my view of the holocaust, but you asked why Jews survived if the intent was to exterminate them, and I told you my view of what happened.

Facing mainstream opinion

is becoming ever more difficult for the supporters of the government myth of 9/11.

I worked two events yesterday.

The first was an all day 9/11 event at Berkeley City College that went quite well and was attended by 80 to 100 people. The only hitch came early on when someone using a BCC system phone called the police (9-1-1) and they showed up and found all of us 9/11 folks there. Another lame denier wasting valuable police time, I guess.

At this Berkeley event I met a rabid Chomsky supporter who lambasted me for a good ten minutes when I dared to express my opinion that Noam Chomsky was intellectually dishonest in regard to 9/11 and JFK. This older gentleman was also full of many contradictions himself and I politely listened as he told me how the great Chomsky still had many great things to do, all the while not giving me his own opinion about the events of 9/11.

The second event was a Norman Solomon event featuring a film based on his new book. This was an evening event with over 100 people in attendance. The first question from the moderator was a question to the audience:

" By a show of hands, how many of you have serious doubts regarding the official story of 9/11?"

Just about everyone raised their hand, so many in fact that the moderator asked those who still believed the government version to raise their hand and only one did. A few people didn't vote either way, but it was very clear that well over 90% of the audience no longer buy the government lie.

Norman Solomon, one of the leading left-gatekeepers against 9/11 Truth, was sitting on stage and observed all this. He looked a bit aghast, collected his thoughts and then proceeded to carefully tell the audience, who had paid $8 each to come see him, that just because a majority of people BELIEVE something doesn't mean that there is REAL EVIDENCE actually supporting that belief. He was very diplomatic about how he said this, but that was the sum and substance of his comment.

After the event was over, we approached him and he reluctantly accepted yet another dvd from us and was his usual non-committal self when asked if he would watch the dvd and rethink his position on 9/11. All we can do is try, right?

It is becoming more and more difficult for the deniers of truth to maintain their absurd positions in public.

We are winning, brothers and sisters, one person and one day at a time.

I love you all very much.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Thank you for the report

I've lost some of the respect I had for Solomon.

I saw Robert Scheer speak last year, and he made a point of saying at the beginning that he did not want questions about 9/11 as an inside job.

Scheer at least acknowledges that questions are legitimate:

Chomsky lies on JFK and 911 makes my blood boil

Who cares what Chomsky or Norman Solomon thinks or for that matter what anyone thinks!
The whole point is for people to do their own thinking.

JFK had many POWERFUL enemies: the private federal reserve, the war industry, the joint chiefs of staff, the head of the CIA, other ambitious people such as LBJ and Nixon.
THe private federal reserve was responsible for getting us into World war 1 and 2 and responsible for the 1929 Depression (they limited the money supply on PURPOSE).
So, those private individuals who control the private federal reserve are the most brutal merciless evil people on the planet. They make jack the Ripper and Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dalmer look like Mother Teresas.
JFK had struck at the heart of the federal reserve ie. the international banking cartel monopoly with a government facade.
Executive Order 11110.
Shout it on the rooftops !

He had also just told the joint chiefs of staff to F.Off regarding their Operation Northwoods scheme.
He had also just fired Dulles, the head of the CIA, the father of spydom.
Also, JFK was about to pull out advisers and troops out of Vietnam.

Case closed.

How could anyone say it was a lone gunman, OSWALD.
This is the saddest joke of the 20th century. liar Chomsky !!

This one HUGE item invalidates Chomsky.

Coming to 911.
Just looking at a high level without even getting into the other million incriminating details.

How could these hijacked planes not be shot down by our multi trillion dollar defense infrastructure over an hour and twenty minute time span.
The only answer is it had to be a standdown.

How could three buildings fall symmetrically at the speed of gravity ?
For WTC 1 and 2, wouldn't the lower 70 floors which weren't damaged prevent such a thing.
Of course !!!
Answer: so it had to be two controlled demolitions.

And for WTC 7, how could a building that was not hit by a plane and had a few fires in it collapse all at once at free fall speed. If this is all it takes to bring a building down why do people spend money to hire demolition experts; when all they really need to do is get a book of matches and light the building on fire.
Answer: it had to be a controlled demolition.

Case closed.

Again Chomsky.

This puts Chomsky in the lowest ring of Dante's hell.

Michael Chertoff Scumbag

Michael Chertoff you dual citizen Zionist ass should go back to Israel and bring your buddy Silverstien with you. You are the cover up king because the buck stops with you Mr. Homeland security Who did you blackmail to get the job? Scumbag

Actually I am glad there are starting to do damage control and there are finally admitting , people are figuring it out shit!! what do we do now, We will make up a story like this
All 911 truthers are Holocaust Deniers and there whacko like those UFO believers plus there anti American Sorry Michael Chertoff didn’t work we are winning the hearts of Americans.

Regarding "Historical

Regarding "Historical Revisionism";

Historical Revision is an absolute MUST. If you oppose revisionism, that means you assume that he intial, first history is always the most accurate, which is never the case.

History is written by the victors, and intial reports and investigations are often crafted by interested parties in the service of beneficiaries of events and wars.

The truth has a way of taking a while to come out or be accepted because of implications of a highly emotional nature.

Such was the case with the Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is not different.

Congrats Chertoff, by taking a stand against "historical revisionism" you would have us believing lies by accepting the initial history of each of these major events.


USS Liberty

How many truthers have looked at what happened to the USS Liberty during the Johnson administration?

check out the google video here

thanks, that's a great vid

And I especially recommend it to those truthers who have only seen the issue covered by AJ in Terrorstorm. Watch the vid and then watch the Terrorstorm portion covering the Liberty. And see what you think.


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Comments at the WAPO..

I went through alot of the comments at the Post on this article-they must have a strong Truther filter on. Some of the stupidest comments I've seen in awhile (guess I spend too much time here at blogger comments). Seems like most of the people are believing his crap. Must be getting to be quite a job to keep the Truth out of the public view.

Why do I suspect that Chertoff was deeply involved in the planning of the WTC demoltions? Just a hunch, but he'll escape to Israel before a noose gets placed around his neck.

What amazes me most about these guys is their arrogance. They must think that everyone outside of their cabal is a complete idiot. Have they not the slightest fear that the Truth will be common knowledge sometime soon? Guess they are the only ones still following the mainstream media lies.

what choice do they have?

It's too late to back out--I suspect a few of them will fake their deaths, possibly in fake "assassinations" in order to both escape justice AND make it look like they were victims. Just a hunch! :)

And yes, of course Chertoff is neck deep in this...


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fake their own deaths

they may not have to if they decide to nuke, what, 2/3's of the human population off the planet? Isn't that part of the "grand game of chess" these rabid globalists are going for?

I don't believe they want to nuke 2/3

think of what that would do to the economy! who would build their mansions, and serve them food, and wash their clothes, and buy their stolen oil?

why do I get the feeling this nukular doomshillery is something Alex Jones tells people?


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And Dan Abrahamson.

Shouldn't you be in bed, young man?

Uh, well...

the remaining 1/3! Silly Question...
And why are you trying to divide people against Alex Jones? If you have a problem with him, as I do in certain areas, I bring it up in a matter of fact way, I don't slide it through the backdoor like you did here.

haha, RT barely lets a

haha, RT barely lets a thread go by now without getting a shot in at AJ. i understand and agree with some of his concerns as well but its a little bit ridiculous to me at this point.


Come on man, cut me some slack. I'm of the mind that he is disinfo. Have I posted any blogs devoted to outing him? Compare that to the number of blogs devoted to "outing" Nico or Fetzer. That's like outing the Queer Eye cast. But hey, I'm use to people using a higher standard for me because they expect better from me. Thanks for the implicit support there Chris! ;)


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personally i think you

personally i think you should do just that instead of taking cheap pot shots thread after thread(make a blog about it). it would provoke some great debate if nothing else. i feel like even if he is disinfo(which makes no sense to me) he must be doing more harm than good from his "handlers" standpoint. speaking of which, who do you think is pulling Alex Jones strings? and i know you dont know me personally but do you get the sense that AJ's "disinfo" has had an effect on me? keep in mind that i probably agree with 90% or so of the views ive seen you express on 9/11 here and completely agree with your stance on exposing islamophobia etc.

Population Reduction

I went to my first seminar on population reduction 30 years ago. Yes, it is true that academics have long held that world population should be reduced to 2 billion or less. I find Aaron Russo's report of Nick Rockefeller's statements on population reduction credible. Prince Philip has said similar things.

The method favoured then, as now is biowarfare. The best technique would be diseases more lethal to the target population. This happened by accident when European diseases nearly wiped out native Americans. So far, nothing that specific has been developed, although the boffins at Ft. Detrick, MD are working diligently and enjoy a ten digit budget. The fact that western society is increasingly dependent on Asian immigrant engineers is another problem. You can't develop a virus to kill Chinese and then kill all the Chinese engineers working in the west by accident. The only genetic outgroup that the empire considers completely disposable is Africans. Some people argue that AIDS was deliberately spread in Africa as an ad hoc bioweapon - possible, but unproven.

The second best weapon is bioweapons for food crop or livestock destruction. Again, there are problems with your new nasty bioweapon coming back home.

That leaves plan C, which has been repeatedly used, sowing the opponent's land with toxins. See agent orange in Indochina, or radioactive waste (DU) being dumped on Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq again, and Lebanon.

Actual explosive nuclear weapons have never been seriously considered as a practical means of population reduction.


Which academics have written on the need for population reduction to 2 billion or less?

Also the biowarfare against native americans was no accident---they were, for example, knowingly given blankets infected with smallpox in trade.

While I have no doubt that there have been deliberate cases of mass toxification of certain regions I just don't believe that anyone is seriously considering killing billions of people as a matter of policy--it just doesn't make sense as a policy. It DOES make sense as a scare tactic.


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Genocide and business strategy

"I just don't believe that anyone is seriously considering killing billions of people as a matter of policy"

This is called genocide, history is drenched with it and that is happening as we speak in Iraq and Sudan. Whether you can believe it or not.

The evil elite (especially the Vatican Mafia Network) have no respect for life. Its just resource control, slavery and business.

See also: (video)

note the difference please between a few million and 4 billion

They are very different things. Of course armed groups (whether they be legitimately affiliated with a democratic government or not) engage in mass murder on an unacceptable scale.

The question is whether claims that some shadowy cabal is planning a reduction of the world's population by 66% are credible, and my position is that it is not, given that the wealth desired by these elites is wealth derived from the labor/servitude of those billions of people.


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I highly recommend you

I highly recommend you listen to the Taking Aim archived shows "Creating the Next Pandemic," parts 1-6. Not only are US intelligence/defense forces maufacturing weaponized viral agents to be used on a massive scale, but they are creating them with ethno-specific markers.

A n historical point brought out in the show is that if one places a grid over the continent of Africa showing where certain vaccination policies were established, there is a one-to-one geographic correlation with AIDS outbreaks.

Bullets and explosives are just SO old school if you really want to get the job done, as opposed to simply keeping the manufacturing component of the MID afloat and imposing problem-reaction-solution foreign policy.

Listen to those shows in the archives, and check out some of the references to the Sunshine Project.

will take it under advisement

understand that i'm not questioning the fact that such technologies are being developed and probably deployed. my point is that the scale is not likely to be on the order of magnitude suggested in comments above. since that hyperbole is said to come from a rockefeller, as part of the NWO narrative, I tend to associate it with AJ and his over the top and thus questionable approach to "truthtelling"...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero - Harvard Task Force


This comment was later added to the Washignton Post (on p. 18)

In the book "Day of Deceit" irrefutable proof is presented that Roosevelt was aware of Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor and that he deliberately ordered a standdown of US defenses so as to create an excuse to enter World War Two. The author of the book, Robert Stinnett, considers Roosevelt justified in allowing the attack to have been carried out because Stinnett feels that only a large loss of life could have served as the necessary pretext to enter the war.

Similarly, those who orchestrated 9/11 most likely felt that a global confrontation akin to Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations was inevitable and that once the US was embroiled in a war, the American public would see that the 9/11 attacks were necessary to get us involved in a war in Middle East.

If another 9/11-style attack is carried out, it will be offered as proof that the US did the right thing in "taking the war to the terrorists" on their home turf. If no such attack is carried out, the public will be told that that is thanks to our timely intervention in the Middle East in the form of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.






9/11 was a series of covert operations as is Iraq

9/11 was a series of covert operations and as long as there are people who are willing to perform covert operations the war will continue.

I think it was John Lennon who once said: "What if they gave a war and nobody showed up?"

I can't help but think that seeing as the violence and bombings continue to take place almost as if on cue that there are more than one foreign covert operations agencies involved, perhaps some of Haliburton's "contractors" also.

I don't believe that there will ever be some sort of peace in Iraq and/or the world until every country disbands their agency(s) that can function in secret covert operations.

Has Iraq become the "Paintball battlefield" for multi-government covert operations, except when you get hit you don't always get up, civilians are part of the course and the weapons are much more expensive ?

That quote

'I think it was John Lennon who once said: "What if they gave a war and nobody showed up?"'

Actually, I remember hearing that quote attributed to the poet Carl Sandburg. But apparently it's still not entirely clear. Sandburg did once have a speaker in one of his poems say, 'Sometime they'll give a war, and nobody will come.' Anyway, I found an interesting discussion of the origins of the phrase here:

And of course, Lennon did say, 'War is over if you want it.'