Webster Tarpley and Jason King on Dynamic Duo NOW - Fri. 11/2/07
My scheduled guest had to cancel at the last minute, so I managed to drum up Webster Tarpley for the first hour and Jason King, organizer of the Boston Tea Party for 9/11 Truth, for the second hour. Webster and I will discuss his upcoming Guy Fawkes Day - launched tour of the UK. We'll discuss War on War Week http://www.waronwar.us and the effort to bring Guy Fawkes Day to the USA via V for Vendetta house parties. See press release below.
Jason King will discuss the upcoming Tea Party: http://boston911truth.org/teaparty/
Here's my V for Vendetta Day press release:
Guy Fawkes Day Comes to Madison!
V for Vendetta Viewing & Discussion 11/5/07, 7 pm, Dardenelles -- Masks and Costumes Optional
Madison, WI —Remember, remember the fifth of November! A coalition of progressive groups is pleased to announce that V for Vendetta, which Vanity Fair columnist James Wolcott called "the most subversive cinematic deed of the Bush-Blair era," will be viewed and discussed to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day, November 5th, at Dardenelles restaurant, 1851 Monroe St., 7 p.m. This free public event is part of a nationwide campaign to bring Guy Fawkes Day to America, with similar screenings and house parties happening in other cities. The event kicks off World Peace Week/War on War Week, November 5th to November 11th: http://waronwar.us, http://peaceweek.net
V for Vendetta celebrates resistance against a fascist regime that has seized power through a state-sponsored terror attack falsely blamed on Muslims. Sound familiar? The film's hero, V, wears a Guy Fawkes mask, recalling the first monumental act of state-sponsored false-flag terror in modern history--the "Gunpowder plot" of 1605, the origin of Guy Fawkes Day. For centuries the British people have been told that "Catholic extremists" led by Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament on November 4th, 1605. Every Fifth of November, British Catholics cower in their homes while Protestants get drunk, set off fireworks, and burn Guy Fawkes in effigy to commemorate the alleged "extremist Catholic terrorist plot" of 1605.
Historian Adam Nicholson, in his book God's Secretaries, presents compelling evidence that Guy Fawkes was a patsy, and that the "extremist Catholic plot to blow up Parliament" was a set-up by minister Robert Cecil and his War Party. The massively publicized Gunpowder Plot--the 9/11 of the 17th century--was designed to incite hatred of Catholics and trigger a century of war with Catholic Spain and Portugal. It worked, and the anti-Catholic wars that followed built the British Empire.
V for Vendetta asks the question: "If your own leaders were behind the worst terrorist attack in history, would you really want to know?" Whatever your answer to that question, you will enjoy the food, drink, costumed revelry, and cinematic thrills of V for Vendetta at the Dardenelles on Guy Fawkes Day!
Sponsored by: Dardenelles; Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth http://mujca.com; Madison Infoshop; Peregrine Forum; Scholars for 9/11 Truth; U.W.-Madison Students for 9/11 Truth; and Guy Fawkes.
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Getting ridiculous
When you say this:
"One thing about this that really disturbed me… [about the Kennebunkport warning controversy] it’s something that potentially [caused] this antagonism between the truth movement and the anti-war movement, when the whole thing was intended to building bridges. As someone who’s put effort into building bridges—individually, and with groups in the anti-war movement… I just don’t take it well to have these women’s names put on this document, and when they curiously differ, and say no, they signed a different document, and include in their refutation a message of support for 9/11 truth! …and then to have the people promoting this turn and viciously attack them. It’s just… it really boils down to are we going to act civilly, or are we going to be divisive."
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/10/cosmos-on-his-radio-show-truth-...
And then you respond like this:
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/webster-tarpley-arabesque-cosmo...
Jim Hoffman:
It’s so clear. What possible motive would there be someone to go making these vicious characterizations of these really well known peace activists like Cindy Sheehan… When people like [Cosmos], Arabesque, and Wolsey report on it, to be viciously attacked by Tarpley with all these ridiculous accusations of COINTELPRO…? Very entertaining to watch, very vivid, just lurid—it’s ridiculous. It’s all just completely concocted, he makes it sound like you, and Wolsey and these people that he’s saying are COINTELPRO just popped up in the last year is just an utter lie. I think it’s a really good test of whether people are really in this in the benefit of our movement: are going to tolerate this sort of thing? Where are the voices of the alleged leaders of the 9/11 truth movement about this and similar incidents? I think the silence from some quarters is deafening.
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/10/truth-revolution-radio-october-...
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Webster Tarpley and Disinfo
I've always been a fan of Webster Tarpley, until this Kennebunkport fiasco that he is attached to. I think this was handled quite poorly by Mr. Tarply and his supporters, especially in the Kennebunkport aftermath, when allogations of "infiltration" etc. were flung at people he had never met (Cosmos). I'm saddened by both the untrue allogations, and by the fact that Mr. Tarpley's reputation has also been tarnished. I hope that he can continue to be a valued source of information and analysis, while keeping his mud slinging aimed at the real perps, rather than at honest activists who do their best to expose the truth. We need all sorts of people in the Truth Movement.
Just ask...What was the effect of Tarpley's attack?
Is Webster Tarpley intelligent?
Should he have known what the effect of attacking those peace activists would be?
Most people would answer yes to the above two questions.
For whatever help Tarpley has offered, it really does appear that he intended to drive a wedge between the 9/11 Truth and the Peace movements.
He had attracted many people from the Truth Movement to himself. A lot of those people have adhered to him. Many people remain adhered.
Kind of like fly paper.
Fortunately the mass of people adhered to him didn't reach a critical level. The Movement, by that time, had become too large for any one person to act in a way that would implode it. There was some damage sustained but the real effect was to alienate the Peace Movement and, for a time, prevent synergy between the two Movements. If the two had "co-mingled" there would have been exponential positive momentum for both.
Just watch out for flypaper from now on.
Attacking people as liars and COINTELPRO...
is not a personality conflict. It's what we call "screwing up".
Not apologizing for "screwing up" is inexcusable for a "leader":
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2501
BTW: Try to reframe the players all you want, but Arabesque and I come with the truthaction package--whether you like it our not, sunshine.
Be seeing you...
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Kevin-
I have kept silent as I have watched your tacit approval of Tarpley and his ilk. I will not be silent any more.
It is utterly ridiculous that you would refer to Tarpley's lies and blatant attacks as "personality confilcts". This is intellectual dishonesty. Lets call a spade a spade Kevin. Granted, there may be an ego issue where Tarpley is concerned but that is absolutely NO EXCUSE for his behavior, his lies, and his slander. Sure, Tarpley's behavior does not mean that he was acting in bad faith. By the same token, it certainly does not mean that he was acting in good faith, unless you want to tell me that black is white. Is that what you are trying to do Kevin???
You claim that you consider me (can you spell my name right or what?), Cosmos and Jon Gold "excellent, dedicated activists". While I appreciate this sentiment, pardon me if I have a hard time swallowing this. If that is true then, why did you have someone who has lied and viciously attacked us on your radio program? If you were in a bind and got Tarpley on your program, why not use this time to hit him up hard about his divisive behavior which is hurting our movement? You are doing nothing but soft peddling his BS rhetoric and whether you admit it or not, you are endorsing him and his ludicrous behavior and attacks. By not speaking up, and by inviting this liar on your program, you are tacitly endorsing him and is boisterous rhetoric.
Of course, we always must remember that you are a "Big Tent" guy and that you think there is room for the good, the bad, and the ugly, even so called 9-11 truth leaders who lie and promulgate bullshit against other 9-11 activists who you freely admit to being "excellent, dedicated activists". Your silence on this topic, Kevin, is deafening.
Did you defend the "excellent, dedicated activists" against Tarpley's month and a half long tirade Kevin? Were you among the many high profile leaders in the 9-11 movement who called me or emailed me to offer support when these attacks were taking place? Where were you Kevin? Did you not think it a big deal that your "friend" was getting on his radio program, AND on stage in NYC for the 6th anniversary, and blatantly lied about me and others, accusing us of being government agents and COINTELPRO? I can say that I am not surprised that the answer to that question is NO- you did not. What you have done since is defend, support, and endorse those who were on the offensive against us. This is clearly obvious and many see your true colors Kevin. To my knowledge, you have not condemned your friend Tarpley or his behavior, but instead, endorsed him.
Last year, Colorado 9-11 Visibility included you in our program with Dr. Jones and Kevin Ryan at our Scholars events in Denver and Boulder. I can tell you that if I have anything to do with it, this will not happen again. As I see it, you are slowly losing credibility, and at least in my eyes, you have lost all.
Please ask Mr. Tarpley to remove the cartoon now
Mr. Barrett -
We met in Chandler in February and spoke again in Vancouver this past June. I enjoy your speaking style and sense of humor very much and generally consider you to be an asset to the truth movement and understand your desire to keep the tent as accommodating as possible.
If you wish to instigate some healing here you could make a big first step by asking them to remove that absurd, divisive and insulting cartoon from the website.
FYI - I met and worked a Portland event with Jenny Sparks in May and regularly work with Cosmos in the S.F. Bay Area, they are both dedicated, front-line, street level activists making a difference every day where it matters most.
A big tent should never include people who are actively working to burn it down, the gasoline and matches need to go now.
(Some quiet, and long overdue, mea culpas and apologies wouldn't hurt either)
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Big Tent etc
The cartoon exists for a reason, so I don't see it going away anytime soon. It is something to learn from. If this were only about a disagreement which required some healing, we'd have seen some movement, some apologies, some bonding, some declarations of better behavior, etc. Some of our real leaders did indeed try.
The reason these things have not happened is because this is likely not about a disagreement. This is in all likelihood about something more.
Sometimes in our work we forget the reality of what we are doing. We forget that what we are saying often is that insiders attacked our own country and did so for political and strategic benefits to themselves. Imagine if you were in the White House and you knew people were saying this. You'd take some action to protect yourself even if you had no idea of what happened on that day. This is a big deal, not a simple thing or just "stop the war". Many events which will seem like "disagreements" and "mistakes" that require healing, will not be what they seem.
Just a hunch.
Big Tent exists for a reason too, and it isn't really about being nice to everyone, even as that rationale is an easy way to get people on board.
"Importantly, Big Tent preys on good people. Those who want to expose truth are the same people who often want to help other people and consequently, can often be victimized or manipulated when their values -- a hope for equal treatment of all peoples in the world -- are exploited to shame them into embracing nonsense theories in order to 'treat all fairly.'"
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/jones/StevenJones.html#bigtent
From the Duh-files:
"Sometimes in our work we forget the reality of what we are doing. We forget that what we are saying often is that insiders attacked our own country and did so for political and strategic benefits to themselves. Imagine if you were in the White House and you knew people were saying this. You'd take some action to protect yourself even if you had no idea of what happened on that day."
To be fair, not everyone has the type of life experience that motivates them to NEVER forget this frame. But, those of us who do, that's why we do what we do, the way we do it. And why we can get certain results that no other way can.
Regardless of what kind of activism we choose to do, never forget the reason we're involved in 9/11 activism is because you suspect the US is being run by mass murderers. If they'd kill 3,000 American civilians to start a war for profit, they sure as fuck are more than capable of targeting activists who want to blow their cover. And the closer we get to success, the closer that prospect comes to the table.
This is not a bleeding game. If, for whatever reason, some of you are not up to these realities, and are not able or willing to respond real-time and decisively, get out of this activist "kitchen" before you get yourself or someone else hurt.
Or stick to safe activities where repeated forgetfullness, carelessness and sloppiness will not bollocks up the works.
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Thank you Kevin
In an email to me from Kevin Barrett, it appears that he took your advice LeftWright. I applaud this effort and thanked Kevin.
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Michael,
I spent an hour on the phone yesterday with Bruce and Jeanine, who agreed to take down the obnoxious cartoon. It looks like it's gone now: http://actindependent.org/
The thing to keep in mind is that they and especially Webster were deeply hurt by being called liars and forgers when in fact they were the ones telling the truth. Their pain and anger drove them to act stupidly.
Kevin
Personality conflicts
"Personality conflicts and ego issues" is a misrepresentation of what happened.
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/webster-tarpley-arabesque-cosmo...
I see that you not only support the work of Mr. Tarpley, but also of Captain May, who is an antisemitic holocaust denier, and has also attacked 9/11 researchers as COINTELPRO. http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2545
May I ask why a jewish-christian-mulsim alliance promotes such a person so prominently on your website and radio interviews? Does this not go against the very basis of what your organization is supposed to stand for?
Do we need to be so tolerant as to accept and openly promote those who are intolerant? http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/who-is-captain-may.html
The promotion of those who are disruptive and divisive is a reward to those who engage in this behavior. Why should we reward bad behavior with promotion and silence? There are many credible 9/11 researchers. Why not reward them instead with airtime?
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I'd suggest that Dr. Barrett ask some of the Jewish members
of MUJCA to explain the position of the group on these sensitivities.