Memo From Cairo, 9/11 Rumors That Become Conventional Wisdom By MICHAEL SLACKMAN New York Times (!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/world/africa/09cairo.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

September 9, 2008
Memo From Cairo
9/11 Rumors That Become Conventional Wisdom

By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

CAIRO — Seven years later, it remains conventional wisdom here that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda could not have been solely responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that the United States and Israel had to have been involved in their planning, if not their execution, too.

This is not the conclusion of a scientific survey, but it is what routinely comes up in conversations around the region — in a shopping mall in Dubai, in a park in Algiers, in a cafe in Riyadh and all over Cairo.

“Look, I don’t believe what your governments and press say. It just can’t be true,” said Ahmed Issab, 26, a Syrian engineer who lives and works in the United Arab Emirates. “Why would they tell the truth? I think the U.S. organized this so that they had an excuse to invade Iraq for the oil.”

It is easy for Americans to dismiss such thinking as bizarre. But that would miss a point that people in this part of the world think Western leaders, especially in Washington, need to understand: That such ideas persist represents the first failure in the fight against terrorism — the inability to convince people here that the United States is, indeed, waging a campaign against terrorism, not a crusade against Muslims.

“The United States should be concerned because in order to tell people that there is a real evil, they too have to believe it in order to help you,” said Mushairy al-Thaidy, a columnist in the Saudi-owned regional newspaper Asharq al Awsat. “Otherwise, it will diminish your ability to fight terrorism. It is not the kind of battle you can fight on your own; it is a collective battle.”

There were many reasons people here said they believed that the attacks of 9/11 were part of a conspiracy against Muslims. Some had nothing to do with Western actions, and some had everything to do with Western policies.

Again and again, people said they simply did not believe that a group of Arabs — like themselves — could possibly have waged such a successful operation against a superpower like the United States. But they also said that Washington’s post-9/11 foreign policy proved that the United States and Israel were behind the attacks, especially with the invasion of Iraq.

“Maybe people who executed the operation were Arabs, but the brains? No way,” said Mohammed Ibrahim, 36, a clothing-store owner in the Bulaq neighborhood of Cairo. “It was organized by other people, the United States or the Israelis.”

The rumors that spread shortly after 9/11 have been passed on so often that people no longer know where or when they first heard them. At this point, they have heard them so often, even on television, that they think they must be true.

First among these is that Jews did not go to work at the World Trade Center on that day. Asked how Jews might have been notified to stay home, or how they kept it a secret from co-workers, people here wave off the questions because they clash with their bedrock conviction that Jews are behind many of their troubles and that Western Jews will go to any length to protect Israel.

“Why is it that on 9/11, the Jews didn’t go to work in the building,” said Ahmed Saied, 25, who works in Cairo as a driver for a lawyer. “Everybody knows this. I saw it on TV, and a lot of people talk about this.”

Zein al-Abdin, 42, an electrician, who was drinking tea and chain-smoking cheap Cleopatra cigarettes in Al Shahat, a cafe in Bulaq, grew more and more animated as he laid out his thinking about what happened on Sept. 11.

“What matters is we think it was an attack against Arabs,” he said of the passenger planes crashing into American targets. “Why is it that they never caught him, bin Laden? How can they not know where he is when they know everything? They don’t catch him because he hasn’t done it. What happened in Iraq confirms that it has nothing to do with bin Laden or Qaeda. They went against Arabs and against Islam to serve Israel, that’s why.”

There is a reason so many people here talk with casual certainty — and no embarrassment — about the United States attacking itself to have a reason to go after Arabs and help Israel. It is a reflection of how they view government leaders, not just in Washington, but here in Egypt and throughout the Middle East. They do not believe them. The state-owned media are also distrusted. Therefore, they think that if the government is insisting that bin Laden was behind it, he must not have been.

“Mubarak says whatever the Americans want him to say, and he’s lying for them, of course,” Mr. Ibrahim said of Hosni Mubarak, Egypt’s president.

Americans might better understand the region, experts here said, if they simply listen to what people are saying — and try to understand why — rather than taking offense. The broad view here is that even before Sept. 11, the United States was not a fair broker in the Arab-Israeli conflict, and that it then capitalized on the attacks to buttress Israel and undermine the Muslim Arab world.

The single greatest proof, in most people’s eyes, was the invasion of Iraq. Trying to convince people here that it was not a quest for oil or a war on Muslims is like convincing many Americans that it was, and that the 9/11 attacks were the first step.

“It is the result of widespread mistrust, and the belief among Arabs and Muslims that the United States has a prejudice against them,” said Wahid Abdel Meguid, deputy director of the government-financed Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, the nation’s premier research center. “So they never think the United States is well intentioned, and they always feel that whatever it does has something behind it.”

Hisham Abbas, 22, studies tourism at Cairo University and hopes one day to work with foreigners for a living. But he does not give it a second thought when asked about Sept. 11. He said it made no sense at all that Mr. bin Laden could have carried out such an attack from Afghanistan. And like everyone else interviewed, he saw the events of the last seven years as proof positive that it was all a United States plan to go after Muslims.

“There are Arabs who hate America, a lot of them, but this is too much,” Mr. Abbas said as he fidgeted with his cellphone. “And look at what happened after this — the Americans invaded two Muslim countries. They used 9/11 as an excuse and went to Iraq. They killed Saddam, tortured people. How can you trust them?”

Nadim Audi contributed reporting.

"It is easy for Americans to dismiss such thinking as bizarre."

Really? All Americans?

Considering the NYTimes has reported on the “9/11 Truth Movement” in the past…

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/05/us/05conspiracy.html

And considering they ran a poll that showed only 16% of Americans believe the official account…

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469

I’d say they’re full of crapola.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

"They killed Saddam, tortured people. How can you trust them?”

Hard to argue with that

WoW Betsy! That's a GREAT Article for the NY Times!

From the article:

CAIRO — Seven years later, it remains conventional wisdom here that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda could not have been solely responsible for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that the United States and Israel had to have been involved in their planning, if not their execution, too.

This is not the conclusion of a scientific survey, but it is what routinely comes up in conversations around the region — in a shopping mall in Dubai, in a park in Algiers, in a cafe in Riyadh and all over Cairo.

“Look, I don’t believe what your governments and press say. It just can’t be true,” said Ahmed Issab, 26, a Syrian engineer who lives and works in the United Arab Emirates. “Why would they tell the truth? I think the U.S. organized this so that they had an excuse to invade Iraq for the oil.”

Where logic fails, "journalists" rush in

To write that, "It is easy for Americans to dismiss such thinking as bizarre." is to make an assertion without providing a single reason for doing so.

To write that, "such ideas persist represents the first failure in the fight against terrorism..." is in fact to reveal the first failure of journalism: the failure to substantiate a premise for making any such assertion.

The true "first failure in the fight against terrorism," is that so-called journalists embrace unsupported assertions and illogically argue that anyone who questions the 'persistent ideas' arising from such assertions can only be 'dismissed' for 'bizarre thinking'.

The circularity of this failed "logic" reveals unexamined bias and an indefensible lack of journalistic ethics. This is a wholly incurious approach to a subject of great import, and a dismal failure on the part of its author to practice even a modicum of professionalism. Empty assumptions are as dangerous to fact-finding as are uncritically accepted assertions.

There isn't any need to read this article past the point at which the author ascribes to others a failure that he himself is clearly the first to make. As long as such failed thinking is published as news reporting, we who seek the truth have a very long way to go in making our voices heard, let alone understood.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." Thomas Pynchon

Expression of Doubt Anywhere Undermine the Certainty..

of anyone still believing the myth. Those already doubting are reinforced
to doubt deeper.

While this article does not tell the whole truth. It chips away at the implanted memes.

Shocked, shocked!

What? NY Times reporters embracing unsupported assertions uncritically and being dismissive towards anyone who doesn't embrace them?

Not examining their own biases?

Being incurious towards subjects of great import?

Say it ain't soooooooooo!!

Sorry if this seems ovely sarcastic, but these attributes of the article which you describe are all par for the course for the paper [whose complicity in high crimes is a matter] of record.

As with the charge of 'incompetence' or 'negligence' with respect to the Bush-Cheney administration; and of 'spinelessness' or 'gutlessness' with respect to the Democrats; I think the characterization of the NY Times and other big media as 'failing' when they don't do what we the people think they should be doing is wide of the mark. The problem is not that they've been 'failing,' but that they've been succeeding--at purveying lies, and enabling the cover-up of crimes. Our mission isn't to get them to start 'succeeding' in their supposed mission; it's to get them to start failing in their actual mission.

Disgusted, disgusted!

Damn straight your comments are sarcastic, and your apology is a coward's play. Don't you really see that you could easily have made your point without condescending to me?
I don't work for the damn NY Times, I don't read the damn NY Times, and I don't trust the so-called "reporting" in the damn NY Times.

This Movement needs every reasonable voice it's got going for it, so what possible good does it do for you to throw your weight around like some over-eager debate team captain?

If I call the lies of reporters a failure of journalism, does that cancel out your saying the corporate media are succeeding at promulgating such lies to serve their own craven agendas?

Listen dude, unsaddle the high-horse you rode in on, and watch out who's eye you spit in. Ain't our enemies numerous enough for you?

"The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to the immorality of the Master." Thomas Pynchon

Those silly Arabs!

This reads like something from _The Onion_. I had to check the link to be sure it wasn't a put-on.

I haven't been to NYC since before 9/11. But I hear that nowhere else in the country is there more grassroots skepticism of the OCT. However that may be, this reporter is so smug in his premises that he can't be bothered even mentioning that there are many in America and other Western nations who disbelieve it.

But the Onion-esque hilarity doesn't stop there. Gosh darn those Arabs, they're suspicious not only of the OCT, they even go so far to think that the U.S. invaded and now occupies Iraq and Afghanistan with some ulterior purpose other than "fighting terrorism"!

The nerve of these ingrates! There we are, giving them all that "democracy" at the point of a gun, propping up their dictators, and joined at the hip with their enemy the officially Jewish State of Israel, which has forced hundreds of thousands of Arabs from their traditional homes into reservations -- and these guys think we must be lying!

Obviously, the problem is that they're used to their state-owned media lying to them. They just don't get how refreshingly independent and forthcoming the American Mockingbird media -- oops, I mean American free press -- is. Then they'd know to put their faith in the Western media having gotten to the bottom of 9/11.

The solution: The CIA, funded by American taxpayers, needs a vastly larger black budget, so that it can bribe Arab governments even more and more closely control the state-media monopolies enforced in those countries to get out the message that 9/11 was exactly what the politicians in Washington, DC, said it was. And the CIA-trained secret police in those countries need better directives and more bribes so that they start arresting, torturing, and murdering every Arab they can find who thinks he knows better than _The New York Times_.

Clearly, our "War on Terrorism" needs to be brought into the hearts and minds of every Arab out there. Let's get the ball rolling.

somebody at the NY Times wanted to get the truth out

And this was as close as they could come.

Why are Arabs so much smarter than Americans? They must think us to be utter fools.

I agree with both points.

If a "mainstream" journalist wants to get the Truth Out, the only approach to this taboo subject is something that contemplates the nature of the "conspiracy theory".

When I was growing up in the "free" USA, I used to wonder why people, like in Soviet Russia, would submit to totalitarian control. Now I know.

Exactly.It was a positive

Exactly.

It was a positive thing for the 9/11 Truth movement that this "Memo from Cairo" was published in the NYT . . . it can suggest doubt or re-inforce doubt in some readers . . . of the OCT, overtly and subliminally.

Hmm --

Your thesis -- that someone with some editing authority at the NYT was slyly promoting the MIHOP idea -- is fascinating, though I'm not competent to evaluate it.

But it reminds me of how I had another reaction to the article which I didn't comment about before because it's so speculative. Yet it resonates with me. Let me try it on those reading here:

Perhaps a key motive for the placement of this article was to demoralize and mislead well-educated Mideast Arabs. Such people are as apt to read the international edition of the NYT as consume their homegrown news sources. And when they read the matter-of-factly stated, yet bizarre in its own way, assertion that Americans find challenges to the OCT "bizarre," they're apt to conclude that American opinion is fixed, and perhaps even that skepticism of the OCT among their fellows is merely a sign of Islamic fanaticism. (Why have that same article in the American edition? To not place it there would give away the game.)

Looks like the truth is winning!

Russ Hallberg

Compared to the JFK assassination, the 9/11 truth movement is a rousing success! All governments have a vested interest in deceiving the people, so they will be the last to admit the truth. What will happen when the vast majority of people on the planet recognize 9/11 was an inside job?

Off topic, but check out this guy's music video, "911 Was an Inside Job":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJmDTnfZr6c&feature=related

AlJazeera TV and Iran Press TV air 911 Truth

For the past couple of days I have seen repeatedly on prime time:

AlJazeera TV airs ZERO

PressTV (Iran) airs 911 Mysteries

Nice!

Nice!

This video was great,

This video was great, aayers!

Not off-topic at all. Will try to post it separately.