Debate! Jon Gold Vs. Pat Curley - 11/24/2008 - 6PM EST


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Topics:
1. Are there unanswered questions?
2. Was the 9/11 Commission a legitimate investigation?

Moderators:
Eric Jackman
Justin Martell

The show's name is "The Dynamic Duo", and it's a TV show. It will be taped on Monday, and put up shortly after.

Awesome.

Don't forget to bring your lightsaber, Jon.

Thanks...

This is my first debate ever, so hopefully Pat will take it easy on me. ;)

Justin assures me it will be up in three parts on Tuesday.


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He will not take it easy on you.

Pat Curley, along with James B, is the main contributor to the screw loose change blog, as you're no doubt aware. IMHO, such "debunkers" have no interest in truth, are most likely paid to attack the movement, and are thoroughly schooled in the fine art of obfuscation and spin. You obviously know your stuff, you have truth and reason on your side, so the debunking side has to be aggressive and resort to ridicule, along with straw men.

When the Loose Change trio first debated Mark Roberts on Hardfire, back in 2006, the host, a fellow debunker named Ron Wieck ("pomeroo" at JREF; interestingly, I've noticed he's been banned from there) did, consciously or not, let some truth about their agenda slip out when he introduced the viewing audience to Mark Roberts: "Mark has made it his mission to prove that everything Dylan Avery says is wrong." Not to seek the truth about 9/11. But to prove that everything Dylan says is wrong.

It all reminds me of the "debunkers" who surfaced after Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 started something of a revolution. Most of Moore's facts were already on the record in such books as Craig Unger's "House of Bush, House of Saud," but of course, the masses were not aware of that book. There was no smear campaign against Unger. But enter Michael Moore, stage right, and he has an impact on the masses. So, from stage left, entered the "debunkers" who put forth "FahrenHYPE 9/11."

These type of people LOVE to debate people with no/little debate experience. Not that I don't have faith you'll whoop his ass. ;-)

Thank you..

Jon, for doing this. I know you'll do fine.

The truth cannot be attacked - nor can searching for the truth.

Remember that the millions in the "9/11 Truth and Justice and Peace and Restoration of the Constitution and Accountability and You'd better take care of the Responders Movement" support you.

Good Luck

Good luck, Jon. Not that you will need any luck debating Pat Curley, but good luck anyway. :)

The questions seem favorable to the Truth Movement or anyone who calls for a new investigation.

1. Are there unanswered questions? Yes
2. Was the 9/11 Commission a legitimate investigation? No

This website is a good place to review the questions asked by the Family Steering Committee to the 9/11 Commission and whether they were adequately addressed or not.

Even investigative reporter, Peter Lance(a non-truther), has criticized that 9/11 Commission Report. He stated, "There’s no doubt in my mind that the 9/11 Commission Report was a whitewash. It’s well documented in Cover Up."

Hats off to you both!

This is great Jon, Congratulations to both you and Pat Curley for taking on the initiative and kudos to the "Dynamic Duo" show, I look forward to this!

Michael Jackman...

Asked me if I'd like to do it, and Justin worked out the details.

Thanks.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Awesome Jon! We are all in

Awesome Jon! We are all in your corner man. Rip Yoda a new one :)

this

is going to be good.

I'm shocked Curley agreed to this- does he think palling around with Nico Haupt and taking a pathetic shot at The Facts has prepared him for a debate with a sincere researcher and activist?

Why'd he agree to this with Jackman and Martell as mods- so he can complain afterwards it wasn't fair?

the facts speak for themselves
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=the+facts+speak+for+themselves&btnG...

I sure hope this isn't the moment Gold pulls a bait and switch and goes webfairy or worse on us ; )

http://911reports.com
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/08/911-activists-start-your-own-91...

Definitely. ;)


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

If Curley tries to associate you with the fringe of 9/11 truth

Just remind him that the OCT believers also have their fringe groups, such as the ones who've harassed 9/11 family members that have doubts about the official story, and the racists who blame all Arabs/Muslims for the attack.

"The less effort, the faster and more powerful you will be."
-Bruce Lee

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Jon

...ashame you have all the facts on you're side. .....Tear'em up!

Pardon my ignorance...Pat Curley is Brainster?

Brainster? (that's almost as goofy as LeftWright!)

What are his "credentials"?

Who is this guy?

Jon, I expect you to remain your usual civil self as you wipe the floor with him.

Stick with your natural Philly charm and have fun, ok?

Cheers!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Yes.

Yes, indeed. This is his blog. He also does the screwloosechange blog with James Bennett..

Jon

anyone familiar with Pat's work knows - this will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Go get 'em!

Go

get 'em, Jon!

Good luck

The first unanswered question that popped into my head is "Why isn't George Tenet in jail?" He perjured himself before the Congressional Inquiry, as did Hayden, as did Wilshire.

Thanks...

To everyone for their vote of confidence. I won't let you down.

Edit: I wished Pat luck.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

JREF - The Ultimate Spin Zone

Every time I wander over there (not very often, anymore) I'm always amazed at the sheer arrogance of their idiocy, or is it just calculated dis-ingenuousness? In either case, history will not be kind.

How these people can pretend to be skeptics is a testament to the age of hypocrisy we are presently living through.

If the subject weren't of such critical importance, their treatment of it would be laughable. Unfortunately, it is just profoundly sad.

Just be yourself, Jon, don't let him make you angry and you'll do fine.

Cheers!

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

You will do fine...

I shredded Pat a couple of years ago about the basement explosions on a patriot radio show. Funny how he couldn't explain why the elevator shafts or windows on the floors survived the over-pressures of the "explosive fireball" on the way down , but collapsed portions of the PATH plaza, rooms, basement, and a parking garage did not.
He is cake. If you hit the molten steel subject, make sure you grab the quotes from Gage's presentation specifically the structural engineer who witnessed the molten steel. That is very powerful testimony.

By the way, I have a much better picture of Pat than the lightsaber picture. Let me know and I can email it to you or something. I don't have a photobucket to post it anywhere.

"I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it." -1993-John Skilling, Head Structural Engineer WTC Towers

Good Job....

Jon. You will do great. Make sure and get a recording...

Hey Jon!

Hey Jon good luck to you man..... hope you do really well.

If you want to shut Pat up just ask him to explain Newton's third law..... never fails that one.
And when he cant, ask him to explain why he's promoting something he doesn't really understand.

Why would Jon be expected to

Why would Jon be expected to bring up Newton's third law when the topics of the debate are:

1. Are there unanswered questions?
2. Was the 9/11 Commission a legitimate investigation?

Eh?

What??

crush-down-crush-up................. get with it man

Go Jon Go!!!!!!

I have full faith in your knowledge and abilities....
My only advice would be to avoid being dragged into joining him in bashing others in the 'Truth Movement" and redirect it to all of the legitimate 'Facts' and questions you know so well....Your passion for the Truth is equally (and often justifiably) matched with your passion against potential disinfo and the danger of presenting theory as fact........You know what I mean......

Don't let him push that button!!!!!!

Because If I was him...I would be diving for it at every opportunity because he can not beat you with the facts!!!

Good Luck My Friend

Radical Pragmatist

Keep up the good work

Keep up the good work, Jon.
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Today's...

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Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

Has this debate happened?

Where can I find it? Thanks.

It's going to be posted...

Tonight or tomorrow.


Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?

I join you on that question. Is reply here ?

John A MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE

bonjour ,

I join you on that question. Have looked every for a link to radio or video and only found
http://www.911blogger.com/node/18625

Yours

John