Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson: 9/11 conspiracy nuts persist
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
(bumped up from last night)
I am sure I am opening a can of worms here, but what the hell. The U.S. Government did not plan or execute the attacks on 9-11. Here’s the simple truth–the Bush Administration entered office dismissing terrorism as a significant threat and devoted most of its energies to promoting a ballistic missile defense. They ignored warnings from Richard Clarke and the CIA, Condi Rice demoted Richard Clarke, who had been in charge of coordinating interagency counter terrorism policy, and President Bush waited until September to convene a meeting to sketch the outlines of his Administration’s counter terrorism policy.
When 9-11 happened the Bushies recognized they faced political peril for their negligence. That’s why they suddenly become more Catholic than the Pope on the issue of fighting terrorists. That’s why they fought having a 9-11 Commission. They failed to protect America from terrorism but eventually persuaded most Americans that Bush’s number one priority was protecting America from terrorists.
But that is too logical, too simple. Some Americans prefer a complex conspiracy. We do not want to believe that Government, by virtue of its size and multi-layered bureaucracies, is inherently incompetent. Nope. We want conscious, organized malevolence.
Here is one of the more recent conspiracy nuts:
Here’s the basic problem with Gage–he has zero experience with actually doing controlled demolitions. People like Gage do not understand that a controlled demolition is the result of weeks of work, lots of detonation cord (aka DetCord) and visible explosives. You cannot hide the preparation required to do a controlled demolition.
Also, let’s ignore the challenge of prewiring three massive buildings–WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7. Plus you have to place the explosives in the towers in two different precise locations so that the demolitions start at the points where the planes struck the towers. Let’s not forget we need the hijackers to cooperate and hit their “marks”. You can’t have the pilot of the plane that hits the North Tower hitting the 50th floor when you have place the explosives around the 70th.
Did I mention how good the Government is at keeping a secret? They have kept us in the dark about black prisons, torture in Abu Ghraib and Bagram, and . . . Whoops!! I guess the Government is not that good at keeping secrets.
Here are a couple of fascinating videos debunking the conspiracy crazies:
and this:
We know for a fact that four airplanes were hijacked by Saudi and Egyptian extremists with ties to Osama Bin Laden. We know that three of those planes struck buildings. The planes striking the World Trade Center were clearly visible and recorded from multiple angles.
There is no denying that the Bush Administration used the tragedy of 9-11 to gin up a case for war in Iraq. But let’s not forget Bush could not have achieved this without the full cooperation of the media. That wasn’t a conspiracy per say. The mainstream media just prefers access to power brokers and invites to White House Christmas parties rather than run the risk of being excluded or cut off. The incompetence actually is pretty easy to explain. But the truth is banal. It lacks the pizzazz of a Government directed effort to hijack four planes, carry out near simultaneous attacks on three targets and initiate the controlled demolition of three World Trade Center structures with cameras rolling.
Yep. That makes sense.
For the sane among us there are always the facts to consider. I recommend the Debunking 9-11 site.
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Yes, Mr. Johnson, you have opened up a can of worms.
Prepare for WeAreChange to confront you in every city in which you travel from this point forth.
Sent him an e-mail and received quick reply.
Here was the very respectful e-mail I sent him:
Dear Larry,
Yes, Larry, you opened a can of worms. I can't decide whether to make this a short or long e-mail... clearly you appear to be firmly rooted in your conclusions regardless of whether they're genuine or forced. I gotta give you credit for openly offering your e-mail address.
I must admit I enjoyed your appearance in "Outfoxed" back in 2004, and it was nice to hear a CIA analyst refer to Fox News as a "Stalinist system."
Many of your compatriots believe 9/11 was an inside job. Such as 27-year CIA analyst and pres. daily briefer, Ray McGovern. What about Lt. Col. Bob Bowman, PhD., who flew 101 combat missions over Vietnam and was a US fighter pilot? What about Paul Craig Roberts, asst. secy of the treasury under Reagan and the "father of Reaganomics?" He said that it is an "incontrovertible fact that the official explanation of the WTC collapse is false."
Mr. Johnson, when subjected to scrutiny, there is not one aspect of the official 9/11 story which holds up. This is why we have Pilots for 9/11 Truth, which also includes air traffic controllers. We have Architects and Engineers, Richard Gage being merely one of the "crazies." We even have political figures. pl911truth.com.
Just be aware that the number of people who realize 9/11 was an inside job (with the aid of a few foreign intelligence agencies) grows every year. It doesn't shrink. People like yourself will soon be in the true minority, if not already.
AHS
I received a reply within two minutes:
I've talked to Ray and you do not know what you are talking about. Inside job my ass. It is clowns like you that deny things like the Holocaust.
So cliche'
He conflates 911 Truth with Holocaust deniers. This indicates that he is in the disinfo loop. He reads from the same page.
Then there is the ad hominem attack. He calls you a clown. He is just like Glenn Beck, who does the same thing. They can't handle dealing with the forensic evidence on its face, so they resort to ad hominem attacks.
Make no mistake. This is a comprehensive, coordinated, full spectrum media attack on 911 Truth.
Thanks, Larry, for showing that you are reading from the same smear tactic talking points. It exposes your bias.
Larry and I...
Went back and forth a long time ago over 9/11.
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34215&postcount=1
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34222&postcount=4
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34256&postcount=11
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42057&postcount=15
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42059&postcount=17
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53562&postcount=27
I just sent him this email.
Read this, and then come and talk to me about what you know regarding the 9/11 attacks, and the 9/11 Truth Movement.
http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=676
Jon Gold
Edit: Looking back at that correspondence from four years ago, I would definitely respond more intelligently today, but it's nice to see that my basic messages have always been consistent.
Edit Part II: I have yet to hear from him. I used to respect him tremendously...
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
My second e-mail to him:
You said:
"Here’s the basic problem with Gage–he has zero experience with actually doing controlled demolitions."
Ever heard of Danny Jowenko? He's arguably the top demolition expert in the Netherlands, and one of the top in Europe. He was not aware of the existence of WTC7's collapse. An activist showed him the footage of WTC7 collapsing, without explaining what the event was. Jowenko's immediate reaction? "This is controlled demolition." "Absolutely?" "Absolutely. A team of experts did this." When Jowenko was informed that this was WTC7, he assumed that it was demolished weeks later as part of the cleanup. When he was informed that the collapse occurred seven hours after the towers, he was at a loss for words, repeatedly asking "Are you sure it was the 11th?" Realizing the implications, the best he could come up with to conclude the discussion was "Well, then they worked very hard."
This was from someone with demolition expertise.
So Larry, I think it's safe to say I've decisively refuted your statement about " Gage–he has zero experience with actually doing controlled demolitions."
AS
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His response:
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I think it is safe to say you are a complete moron.
Go bother someone else with your twisted fantasies.
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I responded again, but after I hit send, I was immediately greeted with an automatic reply stating that my address is now going to his spam folder. Anyway, here was my last letter:
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No, I will continue to bother you as you indeed admitted you opened up a can of worms.
You can not publicly post an article attacking 9/11 "conspiracy nuts" and then expect to be blown off by us.
I have tried to be rational with you by offering you simple information, and you have responded with hate and innuendo.
I would love for you to construct a rational response to Richard Gage's excellent lecture "Blueprint for Truth" but I won't be holding my breath. Are you aware that not just residual but actually UNUSED advanced thermitic material has been found to be in the WTC dust?
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000...
Have you talked to Paul Craig Roberts? How about Col. Ronald D. Ray? "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said."
I'd love to see you call the good folks at PatriotsQuestion911.com complete morons with paranoid fantasies.
AHS
and the clear winner is kameelyun!
Great job kameelyun! You and and the evidence won that one by TKO.
Why stop at Jowenko?
Why not mention the over 600 architects and engineers?
Caveat
Danny Jowenko wasn't interviewed by an activist, he was interviewed by Zembla, a Dutch MSM investigative journalism program, and the program aired on 2006-09-10 on Dutch public television. The archived (streaming video) Dutch version is here.
And here is a version with English subtitles. (Lo-Fi, sorry). Note that you can compare Zembla to a nice version of the BBC (with respect to 9/11), so don't expect rosy pro 9/11 truth movement journalism. I don't think they had expected, nor intended, Danny Jowenko's reaction to WTC 7 as recorded. Nevertheless, they had enough journalistic integrity to leave it as it was. Since this program was aired in 2006, a lot of it will seem dated, on the other hand, it may refresh your memory here and there. I recommend it.
Another, more sympathetic Dutch MSM inquiry into 9/11 is, in my opinion, Éénvandaag's "9/11: Attack or godsend?". For streaming video with English subtitles, go here (The audio is slightly distorted and loud.)
This is more of a general, geopolitical analysis (cui bono), and I think it's extremely well done. There is a palpable difference in tone from American and British journalism.
limited hangout and slanderous treason is the flavor of the day
My comments as an email to Mr. Johnson are as follows:
Mr. Johnson,
Can anybody say "Treason," under Article III Section 3 of the Constitution, in attempting, willingly and with malice aforethought, to cover-up an act of war and give aid and comfort to the enemies that actually architected and coordinated the 9/11/01 black op terrorist attacks?
The gig is up Mr. Johnson. The only question is who is going to go down with those who decided to put the advanced nano-thermite materials in the buildings ( look up the discovery of this material in the peer-reviewed paper at the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal and go see how the VP reacted to receiving this information at our wearechangela you tube site) and coordinate the multiple overlapping mimetic wargames and terror drills that served as cover for the operational conduct of the attacks.
The American people of moral and intellectual integrity are demanding you come clean soon Mr. Arnold. How about today?
Oh yeah, while you are at it, let's see if you can honestly answer a version of the question I posed to former NSA and CIA boss Hayden when he was in town last year:
How is it possible that Mossad was in place in New Jersey to both film and celebrate the attacks as they got underway, while Hayden and the rest of the top tier of the acting civilian, military and intelligence command structure found out about the 1st hit on the towers from watching CNN or another TV News station and then immediately, after numerous warnings from many sources, thought of pilot error and went back to doing what they were doing?
Is that possible?
If it is, how did Mossad know it was something to celebrate about while Bush, Myers, Hayden etc. went about their business?
I'm a proud Jewish man, so no 'anti-semitic' or 'self-hating Jew slander' will work in helping you try to dismiss dealing with the facts. In fact, the worst, most violently destructive anti-semitic conspiracy theory to human lives over the last 8 years is the one Mr. Johnson continues to push, that 19 Arab men with boxcutters stood down the FBI, NORAD and the laws of physics.
Get a plausible deniability alibi quick Mr Johnson, since your massively limited 'incompetence' hang-out is getting more limited by the moment.
Sincerely,
Jeremy Rothe-Kushel
“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool.” –Plato
"We must speak the truth about terror." --George W. Bush
This is the unanswerable question :
"how did Mossad know it was something to celebrate about while Bush, Myers, Hayden etc. went about their business?"
While Myers and his mil/intel peers were standing around watching CNN, shrugging "well, whatever" over a "terrible accident", continuing their routine, there was at least one Western Intel team on record "celebrating" the North Tower hit.
This can only be denied with extreme prejudice.
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson
Is this not a de facto admission by NIST of the demolition
of WTC7?
http://www5.ae911truth.org/info/62
The first 8 floors essentially vanish, yielding a 2.5 second freefall?
And when one considers Barry Jennings' testimony about an explosion below the eighth floor (demo prep?), and NIST's parameters excluding analysis below Floor Eight--could it be more obvious?
“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson