Destruction of 9/11 Evidence Continues; Bin Laden Body Dumped at Sea
According to an AP press release and a CNN blog update it is being reported that the body of Usama Bin Laden has been dumped at sea in accordance with Islamic tradition.
The quick disposal of the body of Bin Laden is an amazing display of disregard to the situation, though disposal of evidence and 9/11 seem to be synonymous.
A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea.
After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea.
The official, who spoke Monday on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters, did not immediately say where that occurred.
From the CNN blog (12:22 AM ET):
Osama bin Laden's body was buried at sea according to Islamic law because no country was willing or able to take his body for burial on land, senior Defense officials said.
"When there is no land alternative, Islamic law dictates that the body be buried within 24 hours, and that was the basis," one official said. "
A second senior Defense official said there was no country willing or able to accept the body for burial, and U.S. forces "took pains to observe Muslim law."
"Today's religious rites were conducted on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson in the Arabian sea. The ceremony started at 1:10am and finished at 2:10am ET," the second official said. "Procedures for Islamic body were followed. The body was washed and placed in a white sheet. A military official read prepared remarks, which were then translated into Arabic by a native speaker. The body of Osama bin Laden was placed on a flat board, which was then tipped up, and allowed to slide into the sea."
Now lets remember this very important fact:
That report is from 2006. The FBI still has "no evidence" directly linking Bin Laden to 9/11 and that brings up the question, " on what grounds was this operation ordered?"
In his announcement last night of Bin Laden's death, Obama stated that Osama was responsible for nearly 3,000 deaths. This is not the first case of guilty-before-innocent mentality by Obama, as witnessed by a recent question to him about Bradley Manning.
Looking at the FBI webpage today I find that they have updated his profile to "deceased", yet there is still NO mention of 9/11. (Disclaimer: this links to the FBI web-page for Bin Laden)
It is worth noting the 2010 story about the FBI using a Spanish lawmakers web-photo as a "Bin Laden 10 years later" photo. Worth noting so we remember the level of credibilty that officials have in regards to Usama Bin Laden and the war on terror in general.
The news of Bin Laden being killed is unlikely to help or soothe these 9/11 family members:
related: Dead Bin Laden photo is admitted fake.
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Buried at sea?
If it wasn't so sick it would be laughable.
fairy dust.
If anybody out there in LA LA land buys this episode of OBL circus BS,
I have their 6 million dollar Nigerian lottery winnings ready and here for them.
If they would just send me their credit card, pin number and car keys,
I'll get it to them right away.
HA, Ha
Thanks for the chuckle Remo. I needed that ! "Buried at sea" - ha, ha, ha, ha...
Latest news
Capturing bin Laden 'would unleash hell'
Editor's Note: The article below was released April 26th
Anthony Freda
MSN 9
The mastermind of the 9/11 attacks warned that al-Qaeda has hidden a nuclear bomb in Europe which will unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" if Osama bin Laden is captured, leaked files revealed.
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/capturing-bin-laden-would-unleash-he...
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Al-Qaeda may seek vengeance for bin Laden: US
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US government urged police and the public to be on high alert Monday for possible terrorist plots to avenge slain Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, warning Western targets around the world were at risk.
CIA director Leon Panetta, a key architect of the daring US special forces raid that left bin Laden dead at a secretive Pakistan compound, warned "terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge him."
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/al-qaeda-may-seek-vengeance-for-bin....
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"Al Qaeda Is Gonna Want To Avenge This As Quickly As Possibly Can" Congressman Peter King
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14797
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Bin Laden dead but 'war goes on,' Cheney warns
Cheney paid tribute to American forces and intelligence services for their "tireless work" in tracking down Bin Laden since the September 11, 2001 attacks but also offered rare praise to political opponent Obama.
"Al-Qaeda remains a dangerous enemy. Though bin Laden is dead, the war goes on. We must remain vigilant, especially now, and we must continue to support our men and women in uniform who are fighting on the front lines of this war every day," he added.
"Today, the message our forces have sent is clear -- if you attack the United States, we will find you and bring you to justice."
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/former-us-vice-president-dick-cheney...
Bin Laden kill may reopen CIA interrogation debate
(Reuters) - The possibility that U.S. spies located Osama bin Laden with help from detainees who'd been subjected to "enhanced interrogation" techniques seems certain to reopen the debate over practices that many have equated with torture, security experts said on Monday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-interrogations-idU...
Iranian state TV carries report of Israeli build-up
Iranian state television ran a report Monday saying Israeli military aircraft were massing at a U.S. air base in Iraq for a strike on Iran.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_iran_israel_report
Osama bin Laden’s Second Death
By Paul Craig Roberts
May 02, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- If today were April 1 and not May 2, we could dismiss as an April fool’s joke this morning’s headline that Osama bin Laden was killed in a firefight in Pakistan and quickly buried at sea. As it is, we must take it as more evidence that the US government has unlimited belief in the gullibility of Americans.
Think about it. What are the chances that a person allegedly suffering from kidney disease and requiring dialysis and, in addition, afflicted with diabetes and low blood pressure, survived in mountain hideaways for a decade? If bin Laden was able to acquire dialysis equipment and medical care that his condition required, would not the shipment of dialysis equipment point to his location? Why did it take ten years to find him?
More --
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28009.htm
A witness to Bin Laden's 'death' says it's bullshit
Neighbor claims it "impossible" Bin Laden lived next door.
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14798
I have seen that report and I
I have seen that report and I do not doubt his story.
However I doubt his conclusion.
It would be easy for someone with Bin Ladens connections to get through military chackpoints in any city in Pakistan I imagine. Whether it be fake IDs or insiders at checkpoints, anything is possible.
And someone of Bin Ladens notoriety would want to keep as quiet and discreet as possible.
"conspiracy theorists"
Report of bin Laden’s death spurs questions from conspiracy theorists
“They saved Che Guevara’s fingertips to prove it was him,” said Ted Goertzel, a professor of psychology at Rutgers University at Camden, N.J., who has written extensively on psychology and terrorism. “But Muslim tradition says you bury the body right away. The issue is, our society goes through a traumatic event of 9/11, and this comes 10 years later, so it’s not timed very well for our national mourning or anger. But the conspiracy reaction is a way of thinking that’s much more common today, and people are accustomed to it because of the Internet. There’s no screening process. People may also be going into an automatic response.”
At different moments in American history, such as after the deaths of Martin Luther King Jr. and President John F. Kennedy, the country becomes more prone to conspiracy theories because there’s so much hurt and anger, said Goertzel.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/report-of-bin-ladens-death...
Sheehan releases statement
"I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you're stupid," Sheehan writes, already setting up a fair and measured conversation. "Just think to yourself--they paraded Saddam's dead sons around to prove they were dead--why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent--just put your flags away and THINK!"
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/05/cindy_sheehan_osama_b...
Note -- Article mischaracterizes Sheehan's statement by claiming she "doesn't think Osama's dead".
about times... things that dont add up
a) they SEALS came from Afganistan on big choppers
b) the obl refuge was near by an important pakistan army base
c) the pakistan were not advised nor alerted by the US Forces
so, how come the near by pakistan army didnt noticed choppers approching nor re-acted to the shooting?
about time
a) SEALS flew from Afganistan to pakistan (about 1000 km):
it takes time
b) the shooting + the EVIDENCES SEARCH takes TIME
not minutes, or the search could have been compromised
c) then the choppers flew back to afganistan (Bagram camp report some international newspaper)
that takes TIME TOO
d) a sample od ADN was taken, prepared and POSITIVELY COMPARED
takes time
e) onece sure the dead body was the one of OBL, embassies of all islamic country were contacted, to know if they would bury the obl body in their country. No one accepted.
this cant and it cant be done before: 1) the raid 2) been sure the id positive proved
it takes time
f) from afganistan the obl body has been transferred to an aircarrier (afganistan ha sno sea, so... other more time to add up)
Time, more time
g) once on the aircarrier, the islamic funeral party" tokk something like 1 hour
Time. 1 hour isnt few minutes
so... when the raid really took place? by what time? by what day?
more doubts to come
Hyper-Nationalism consumes America
History, Patriotism Outside White House After bin Laden's Death
The giant crowd had subsided from last night's celebration, but smaller groups of tourists and Washington locals continued to gravitate to the White House this morning, as more details about the killing of Osama bin Laden surfaced.
Click here to find out more!
"The moments of that day [on 9/11] came back. It was just a relief that they finally got him," says Donna Calvaruso, who is on a business trip from Kalamazoo, Mich. with her husband, Joe. "A young man in our community was killed in the Twin Towers, so it brought back a lot of emotions for us."
Gathered in front of the White House, visitors voiced their approval of both presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama for achieving the national goal to take out bin Laden, nearly 10 years after the 9/11 attacks. "It was really a bipartisan effort to bring him to justice," says Joe Calvaruso. "We're so thankful that it brought it to a conclusion, and that no U.S. lives were lost in this mission. It's something our country should never forget."
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/05/02/history-patriotism-outsid...
Bush Supporters Celebrate Bin Laden's Death
DALLAS, TX (KERA) - Flag-waving supporters left flowers and balloons outside the Dallas home of former President George W. Bush early today to salute the U.S. mission that killed Osama bin Laden.
"Thank you President Bush," said a sign left on the gate near Bush's residence.
Bush was in power on 9/11 when terrorists commandeered four commercial jets, crashing them in New York City, Washington D.C. and Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people.
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kera/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1797130...
WWE News: "Raw Patriotism" tonight on WWE Raw, footage of John Cena announcing the killing of Osama Bin Laden
May 2, 2011 - 05:32 PM
WWE issued a press release on Monday to announce that tonight's Raw will feature "the biggest party to celebrate our country's patriotism." The show will include the taped footage of John Cena informing the fans after the WWE Extreme Rules pay-per-view ended that Osama Bin Laden had been killed. To read the press release, visit Corporate.WWE.com.
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10018252.shtml
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Power of Sports: Bin Laden, Phillies and Patriotism
Listening to the crowd chant “USA, USA, USA” Sunday night sent a tingling up my spine reminiscent of a feeling I’ve only gotten watching a sporting event a handful of times in my life. It was a wonderful feeling I’ll never forget. I can remember having the feeling when the United States Hockey Team beat the Russians in the 1980 Olympics. I remember as a 13 year old running out into the streets and banging pots and pans with all the neighbors. In some ways we were sticking it to our Cold War adversaries as our amateur hockey team set aside nuclear weapons and took our national security into our own hands.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/power-of-sports-bin-laden-phillies-and-pa...
Bad for one's stomach
Thanks for passing these along, unpleasant though the task must be. I barely have the stomach to read this nauseating tripe, let alone the capacity to surf the net and gather it all together.
The Illusion - The Psyop Campaign...
Thanks Danse. All these news stories remind me of the insight in your films.
Mass Marketing the illusion
It is interesting to see the mass marketing of the illusion "that everybody patriotically concurs with the official story" about Osama bin Laden's death. We see many images of crowds and people excited about this news. Mainstream media paints a picture, a concept held in the mind. Rarely, do we see images and stories about people like us who scoff at the offical story. ...and there are many people who do not buy the government's rendition.
The government and media are using the mass marketing ploy of "everybody thinks this way".
Corporations use this all the time.
Products, movies, TV shows, services, etc. are made "popular" by introducing the concept that "everybody wants them".
Along that same line of thought, we in the 9/11 Truth Movement should be aware that many people are awake.
Many people know.
Mainstream media will never portray the concept that many people are awake.
Our numbers are much larger than what mainstream media paints.
Not so fast. Think about it
Not so fast. Think about it this way people, Bush and the people responsible for 911 never wanted Bin Laden to be caught, because as long as he is on the loose there is a prima facie case for extending the war effort. Obama knows that this is part of the geostrategic game that is being played at a high level with high stakes. That is my interpretation anyways, and that's why I welcome the killing of Bin Laden as a critical piece of the bigger project to dismantle the war on terror.
Interesting and optimistic
Interesting and optimistic view about it V.
I don't agree though.
Obama could end the war just as easy as they were started. Sign the paper, executive order #____________.
I won't go into a tirade about Obama though, enough is written on his deceptions and lies elsewhere.
I don't trust Obama
But I have to underscore this POV a little bit, and here's why. Obama knew this raid was coming since the summer of 2010, when the hideout was first discovered.
Color-coded threat system to be replaced in April - By the CNN Wire Staff, January 26, 2011
Maybe Obama thinks it is in his political self-interest to percolate a sense of 'closure' through the collective consciousness. Maybe he's calculating 2012, and doing the politically expedient thing. He's trying to make us feel good.
But some Bush-era policies are firmly in place and/or worsening.
'we do the thinking for you.
everythings possible. the bin laden alive part of the program is over.
what was it Rove said?
" We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality." And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to study what we do."”
Buried at sea, with no see
Sure was fast, disposing of Bin Laden's body was it not!
If the government wanted to put all the conspiracy theorist doubts to rest as if this was in fact the body of Bin Laden doesn't it seem reasonable that they would have captured him alive and brought him back to stand trial, or if not that, then to bring back a finger for prints, or something!
Just all so convenient the way this was handled to me.
Did I not hear that Bin Laden was on dialyzes? If this was true, I can't imagine anyone being on it for as long as he would have been,(some nine years)
Recall it was president Bush Jr. who blocked an investigation for over a year into the event of the world trade center innocent.
It was also president Bush Jr. who allowed all the members of the Bin Laden family, some 120 to fly out of this country, this when there was a no flight order in place for the rest of US citizens!
Ask any homicide investigator and they will all tell you that in a situation where a family member is suspected of murder, they work their case from the inside out, meaning they would want to talk to all the family members to see what links if any they could develop, so this being the case, why in God's good name would anyone allow the family members to take flight specially in one of this nations worst mass murder cases in history! Someone, please explain that one to me.
A witness to Bin Laden's 'death' says it's bullshit
A witness to Bin Laden's 'death' says it's bullshit
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=14798
Osama Bin Laden is dead – prove it
http://blogs.reuters.com/russell-boyce/2011/05/02/bin-laden-is-dead-prov...
witness from the neighborhood
thanks for posting this video.. your title had me hoping 'A witness to Bin Laden's 'death' says it's bullshit' was from a US military operative, whistleblower. However a witness from the neighborhood and the allegation of dumping Osama's body into the sea is enough for me to know that the US psy-op mission continues.. and full of BS.. So many people are falling for it, too.
Criminal usage of JSOC and Navy SEALs for high tech hit team
We are asked to praise the "heroic" of the attack on the alleged home of Bin Laden. JSOC could have surrounded the house, along with the Pakistani Military down the street. They could have waited the occupants out, for days or weeks. There was no rush. Bin Laden could not escape. They could have used tear gas. They could have shut off the electricity to the house, and kidney dialysis machine. They burst in to the home of people who were probably sleeping at the time, including unarmed women. He was probably in his pajamas. Soldiers had body armor. Bin Laden is only an average marksman. He can't run, and walks with a cane. Any solder could catch him. Regular police often capture gunmen and bring them in alive, to stand trial. JSOC could do that even better, if ordered to.
They executed people without the opportunity for a fair trial. The highly skilled and dedicated men in JSOC are usually heroes, but not in this case. They were ordered to carry out an illegal act. Those who ordered this action, to kill instead of capture, think like criminals. Mafia bosses with medals. This was a high tech lynching by a group equipped with the latest assault technology. It is a shame to the American system of justice which promotes the human right of a Trial by Judge or Jury in a Court of Law.
The mission was a total failure to capture Bin Laden. If they acted like police, they would be heroes. If they acted like a mobster hit squad, they are criminals. It was a disgraceful use of our armed forces, making them into assassination gangsters at taxpayer expense, complete with throwing the body in to the water to "sleep with da fishes", and will live in infamy.
Reality
TruthMakesPeace said..."They could have waited the occupants out, for days or weeks"
No they couldn't. Because the compound was near the Military Academy of the Pakistani Army and the American soldiers didn't have the authorization from the Pakistan Government to go into their country for a military operation and didn't seek it because the ISI is helping Bin Laden.
Jim, you said this may have
Jim, you said this may have said this a bit early:
No they couldn't.
Yes they DID!
Because the compound was near the Military Academy of the Pakistani Army and the American soldiers didn't have the authorization from the Pakistan Government to go into their country for a military operation and didn't seek it because the ISI is helping Bin Laden
And now......CIA lived next door to U.B.L. compound since late last year!
http://norcaltruth.org/2011/05/07/cia-lived-next-door-to-bin-laden-since-last-year/
Herp Derp
The CIA didn't come in guns blazing and sit patiently for weeks on Bin Laden's doorstep to 'wait him out'.
You're deliberately conflating military action with covert surveillance. Yes, they conducted surveillance on Bin Laden, what did you expect? I've read they took extraordinary steps to avoid detection by ISI. Why, oh why, would that be? And why o why did Obama then go in without notifying Pakistani authorities?
And why did this result in Bin Laden not getting away this time? Odd, isn't it?
The CIA didn't come in guns
The CIA didn't come in guns blazing and sit patiently for weeks on Bin Laden's doorstep to 'wait him out'.
The point is the CIA was there before the (other) CIA group came with "guns blazing." Though, they say the "mission was a failure" and did not positively ID Bin Laden. Perfectly possible even with remote hummingbirds in the public's consuption. (Not sarcastic) However the CIA surveillance team was watching the compound up until the raid. Perhaps guns didn't need to be blazing against unarmed people whom we had at least some intel on from the CIA surveillance team?
You're deliberately conflating military action with covert surveillance.
I thought Team 6 worked with the CIA on this one? Am I wrong?
Yes, they conducted surveillance on Bin Laden, what did you expect?
After $10 million, some results or actionable intelligence. But surveillance is natural and I am not downgrading the normality of that.
I've read they took extraordinary steps to avoid detection by ISI. Why, oh why, would that be?
Because we are breaking laws maybe. I don't understand what you want to imply.
And why o why did Obama then go in without notifying Pakistani authorities?
I have no idea.
And why did this result in Bin Laden not getting away this time? Odd, isn't it?
I have no idea.
Questions some reasonable some not
Well, gee what would I know, but if you notify the Pakistan ISI of a drone attack against certain individuals, and when the attack comes and they were seemingly tipped off and only civilians get killed eventually you are going to start thinking "hey. maybe we can't trust the ISI" -which BTW LT. Col. Shaffer was saying in his book, and he was there in Afghanistan gathering intelligence and pissing off his bosses because he was telling them, to "stop telling the ISI what we are doing they are NOT on our side." Remember when Clinton lobbed some missiles during that Monica Lewinsky saga? He killed no one but a janitor Bin Laden works for the ISI. That is why they didn't notify the ISI of this raid. Obama knows now for a fact that the ISI is in on it. It's obvious now.
This was an extremely gutsy call by Obama. No they did not know for a fact that Bin Laden was there but they were pretty sure he was, and if he wasn't it was someone important. Well, it was him, and frankly it looks to me like they had no interest in taking him alive. A bullet to the head, and a bullet to the chest, that looks to me like a professional hit. Then they fed him to the sharks. The moral and constitutional arguments can go on from there, yes it is very creepy that the President has a hit team, but that is what we are dealing with. Should he have done it? Should he be stripped of that kind of power? Reasonable questions. Is Pakistan really a place and is Bin Laden being killed a re election psyop? Those are a waste of time questions. But we did have a President that went after the guy that they all said was behind the 9-11 attacks, that's more than I can say about the traitor that occupied the white house before Obama.
Remember this guy?......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
That guy conducted a cover up. He protected the Saudi's and Bin Laden, the ISI and the CIA....
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-05/no-accountability
"The former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee tells Salon that the White House has suppressed convincing evidence that Saudi government agents aided at least two of the hijackers."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham
As this video shows Bandar has access to the highest levels of the U.S. Government including the head of the CIA.
"He's got instant access to the CIA, anybody he wants." - Ex CIA R Baer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BryZokrUk5s
Bandar Bush admits(not on American TV)that Saudi Intelligence knew all about the 9-11 hijackers, he should know since his brother in law was the head of Saudi Intelligence at the time, and FBI reports that he was assisting Saudi Agents helping the hijackers.
"Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."
"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html
Here is a 31 page FBI report showing OMAR AL BAYOUMI to be an agent of Saudi Arabian Intelligence who assisted several of the 9-11 hijackers, and introduced them to the FBI informant they lived with....
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-04-15-FBI-LHM-omar-al-bayoumi2.pdf
The official story tells us that the Bush Administration is covering all this up, and that makes Bush a traitor......
"Sources: Suspected terrorist leader was wired funds through Pakistan
PAKISTAN"
"October 01, 2001
As much as $100,000 was wired in the past year from Pakistan to Mohamed Atta, the suspected leader of the terrorist hijackings, CNN has been told by law enforcement sources."
http://articles.cnn.com/2001-10-01/us/inv.pakistan.funds_1_money-orders-al-shehhi-pakistan?_s=PM:US
"Congressional Record: October 28, 2003 (Senate)
The amendment is as follows:
(Purpose: To urge the President to release information regarding
sources of foreign support for the 9-11 hijackers)
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
Sec. . Sense of the Senate on declassifying portions of
the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities
Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001.
(a) Findings.--The Senate finds that--
(1) The President has prevented the release to the American
public of 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence
Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks
of September 2001.
(2) The contents of the redacted pages discuss sources of
foreign support for some of the September 11th hijackers
while they were in the United States."
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html
giving the Pakistani's billions that they used to kill American troops that that same guy sent to Afghanistan and they were protecting their asset Bin Laden. So is Obama after reading what is on those redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry report going to send seal team 6 to visit some Bush buddies in the Saudi Royal family? I doubt it, but he did eliminate Bin Laden in less than 2 years, when Bush "truly wasn't concerned" about Bin Laden who was an Intelligence agent provocateur extraordinaire. Bin Laden was a mass murdering religious fanatic fruitcake I know some of you don't think so. I don't care. I'm not shedding any tears of his demise. Good riddance.
This COULD be an opportunity to expose how 9-11 was carried out by Government intelligence agencies. Those governments are the Saudi Gov- The Pakistani Gov and now we have no choice but to include the CIA or use the excuse of Pakistan..."no we were not "in on it" we are just incompetent beyond belief".
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-05/no-accountability
There is evidence suggesting Israeli foreknowledge but none I've seen that shows actual involvement. I can't say that about these other governments.
"No government involvement" - 9-11 commission <---wrong
I agree and am aware of the
I agree and am aware of the information you posted, though I don't agree or sympathize with Obama as much as you do. This is nothing but an asumption:
This was an extremely gutsy call by Obama
I'll keep my opinions to myself.
Also, I really don't know why you would say something like this:
Bin Laden was a mass murdering religious fanatic fruitcake I know some of you don't think so. I don't care. I'm not shedding any tears of his demise. Good riddance
I mean, did you know the guy or something?
That is no better than any other speculation out there.
usa VS Bin Laden
Ever hear of that trial? Yea, I know I know--it was all fake
Yes. You ever hear him being
Yes.
You ever hear him being a fruitcake?
You also aren't including
You also aren't including into that type of statement that his people's countries have been invaded by people like "us" for a millenia, this war just being the most recent.
You also aren't including the history of such entities of the USS Cole specifically. It's history involved operations in the Gulf and to my understanding spent time enforcing no fly zones in Iraq in 1998. I cant even figure out what OPERATION SILENT LANCE was in Tiblisi, Georgia of 2000, but I bet it was fun.
Does that make it right to bomb the Cole or US embassies? NO. Is the Muslim world jusstified in it's frustrations? Yes.
Does Afganistan/Pakistan/Iraq have a legal system where you can cite crimes against their people by our system? NO
This is all part of a monster allright; my opinion is that monster is globalisation. Please don't buy into it and support foreign assassinations or bombings or religious extremisim bullshit, there is enough of that in our own country.
I stand corrected
You are right--killing infidels to please Allah is not fruitcake at all, it is a legitimate religious belief. I stand corrected.
What kidney dialysis machine?
I didn't see any kidney dialysis machine in the house. (ROBinDALLAS corrected me) Did you make this up? What evidence do we have OBL needed one anyway? The data on this is contradictory.
They deliberately avoided all mention to Pakistani authorities so as to be able to conduct the operation successfully.
A week-long siege by an American special forces landing party which just dropped in unannounced?! It's a crazy and unrealistic scenario.
A prelude for the next false flag action
The timing of the dead Osama bin Laden parade is more than interesting. It could be a set-up for the next false flag operation to continue the horrendous war for terror conspiracy. This way they could say that al Qaida responded to Obama's assassination of Osama. Of course they won't make it sound that confusing. It was interesting to note the gullibility of such gate-keepers as Democracy Now -- buried at sea.. The thread on 911blogger explains more on my response to this. Note the link on David Ray Griffin's book on this subject. We must pay attention to the timing of all this.. First the Birther certificate surfaces. Obama jokes at the Washington journalist event about what is next . . . will Donald Trump question that the moon landing was faked. Then comes the switch of the military and CIA personnel, then WiliLeaks outing the human rights violations at Guantanamo Bay, then comes the killing of Osama ahead of the 10th anniversary. You can see why I wonder about what's next.
This link has been updated into Flyby News recent issue - May 2, 2011 - Obama, Dead Osama bin Laden, and fake photos
Saudi Royalty and Bin Laden Family ?
Anyone seen anything from the Saudis, or bin Laden family - One thing that has perplexed me in this whole sharade, from day one (2001), is how the Saudis are being set up in all of this and how the Bin Ladens would sit still for the demonization of their son, the 19 (fake) Saudi highjackers, etc. I would think they have figured out by now that they may be left holding the bag and rifle...
ISI
dave mann said..."I would think they have figured out by now that they may be left holding the bag and rifle."
Yea well, they were holding the bag, and it was full of money and the rifle was sold to them from British and American defense contractors. If you're concerned about protecting the guilty you need to focus more on the ISI now, because this is a major development-
It's now crystal clear to Obama and the media that the ISI is extremely guilty. What is going to come from this development? Pakistan has nukes. The current administration now has proof the ISI took our money to "go after Bin Laden" and instead protected him while helping the Taliban fight against American soldiers. If you want to protect the guilty the ISI are the ones you should be concerned about now because their cover has been completely blown. This is the big question now--what does the American Government do now that they know for a fact the ISI ripped us off blind and helped kill American soldiers and protected Bin Laden and kept him comfy?
It's a big mean f**ked up world out there, saying everything is fake and the American Government and it alone, is to blame for everything, and and KSM and Bin Laden would be good babysitters, is one way to deal with it but I find reality more interesting and more important.
Warmonger
You're itching to bomb Pakistan, eh? Newsflash -- Pakistani civilians are already being bombed daily by trigger happy spooks in Langley. You're concerned about "American soldiers" who are occupying other people's lands because "It's a fucked up world out there". My God man, have you no shame?
You blame KSM for confessions based on torture, and accept the various absurd incarnations of "Bin Laden".
Who do you work for? Or are you just a dupe?
I can't help being stupid
Danse said..."You're itching to bomb Pakistan, eh?"
No, but there are probably people in the Military who are.
Danse said "You're concerned about "American soldiers" who are occupying other people's lands because "It's a fucked up world out there"."
Yea, I would prefer they don't occupy other people's land and I would prefer that Fathers and mothers not bury the sons/daughters who joined the military and yes, it's a big mean world out there with some rather unpleasant people in it.
Danse said....."You blame KSM for confessions based on torture, and accept the various absurd incarnations of "Bin Laden"."
I wasn't aware that being tortured cleanses you of all your sins, but I do think that Bin Laden is real but I also think the 19 hijackers were real to so you have to excuse how gullible I am.
Danse said..."Who do you work for? Or are you just a dupe?"
I don't think it's any of your business who I work for. And yes, I am obviously a dupe who gets fooled constantly. I was fooled into believing passenger jets flew into the WTC and pentagon, I was also duped into thinking there were hijackers a couple even lived with an FBI informant in my "delusional world", I was duped into believing the phone calls from the planes were real too. I have been constantly falling for all kinds of stuff so this is just another example of stupid I am. I can't help it. Some people are easily duped and not to bright. I can't help it-blame my parents who passed on their DNA.
Jim you are awesome and one
Jim you are awesome and one of the smartest people who blogs here
Saudi and ISI
inteligence services were most probably involved, somewhere up under CIA, FBI and Mossad - so I dont get your point. You saying those forces carried out the whole event and cover-up - ha, ha - and I´m out to "protect the guilty".
My weird Reality
Ever heard of $100,000 being transferred from the head of ISI to Atta? Is that true? B Bhutto warned before she died that if she was killed it would be members of the ISI and she named a couple and said one was Bin Laden's handler in the ISI. There is lots of evidence that the Government was behind the attacks of 9-11 but if you say the Pakistani Gov then you are a dupe, or if you say the Saudi Government then you are a dupe, but you are a "truther" if you say the Israeli Government or the American Government. But I'm just some idiot who thinks it aint that simple.
I would prefer to deal with reality so when I say it is now an obvious known fact that the ISI was protecting Bin Laden this could have serious repercussions. That isn't me saying "I am a warmonger and want to bomb Pakistan." It is me saying "how about we deal with reality"..........
"Frenemies: U.S. ally in hot seat after bin Laden found in Pakistani army town"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110502/ts_yblog_theenvoy/frenem...
But what would I know about reality being an ignorant dupe or possibly an under cover super duper secret agent?
With all your sarcasm
it´s sometimes difficult to determine what you believe. So, you´re on message about how Pakistan sheltered bin Laden. Probably so,one of their responsabilities. But is it your view the bin laden had something to do with the 9-11 events ?!? Very doubtful IMO.
http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html
United States
was about to come down full force on Afghanistan, blowing the country to smithereens. According to Pashtun custom, Pashtunis must guard their guest with their lives. To justify their protection, Osama had to lie.
Bin Laden: "As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie."
Don Corleone: "As a devout Catholic, I try my best to avoid telling a lie."
So does this mean Osama the denier of 9/11 was still alive on September 28? Dave, are you familiar with the concept of Taqiyya?
Are Ayman al-Zawahiri's messages all fake too?
What if the United States, Pakistan, Israel and Saudi Arabia conspired to help these men without them knowing it? Make them into patsies?
Sounds like you have as many questions as I do...
"So does this mean Osama the denier of 9/11 was still alive on September 28? Dave, are you familiar with the concept of Taqiyya?
Are Ayman al-Zawahiri's messages all fake too?
What if the United States, Pakistan, Israel and Saudi Arabia conspired to help these men without them knowing it? Make them into patsies?"
Really, I was just speculating out loud about the position of the Saudis, wondering if the bin ladin family had anything to say about the "death", and trying to piece a few things together. No, I´ve never heard of taqiyya, sorry. I´ve heard of lying tho, and yes OBL may have been lying. Could have had a tangential role. (by tangential i mean to exclude demolition jobs, providing pilots, discombobulating air defense, etc). Who knows for sure ??
Oh, I almost forgot, Jim Hoffman does !! That´s the reason he´s always basing himself on "Reality", as opposed to the rest of us. He KNOWS precisely what the reality is about this little conspiracy.
Okay
You should look it up, perhaps. I don't understand your apparently biting comment about Jim Hoffman. Didn't you just cite his site a few comments ago?
another Jim
snowcrash said..."I don't understand your apparently biting comment about Jim Hoffman. Didn't you just cite his site a few comments ago?"
I think he meant me. For the record I am not Jim Hoffman I'm Jimd3100Stein your friendly neighborhood spook/idiot/dupe/fake truther/undercover jreffer/retard/mossad agent/conspiracy theorist/commie/warmonger/hippie/researcher/liar/patriot/traitor take your pick, I'm immune to all of it.
my
mistake. My appologies to the other Jim. Kind of a relief actually.
Washington Post article appearing today is apropos.
Washington Post article appearing today is apropos.
[QUOTE]Report of bin Laden’s death spurs questions from conspiracy theorists
View Photo Gallery — Al-Qaeda leader’s death comes nearly a decade after attacks on New York and the Pentagon.
By Emily Wax, Published: May 2
While much of America celebrated the dramatic killing of Osama bin Laden, the Sept. 11 conspiracy theorists still had questions. For them and a growing number of skeptics, the plot only thickened.
Could the public trust bin Laden’s DNA samples? Where was bin Laden’s body? Why was the most wanted mujaheddin on Earth buried in an undisclosed location in the northern Arabian Sea? Why was the news announced mere weeks after President Obama’s campaign kickoff and just days after his birth certificate was released? Why so late on a Sunday night?
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Within minutes of the news of bin Laden’s funeral at sea, Facebook, Twitter and e-mail lighted up with conspiracy theories from around the globe, asking questions, pointing out discrepancies, motives, counter-motives, coverups and counter-coverups, comparing photos and videos, voice recordings and FBI most-wanted pinup posters.
“This has not put a single of the 9/11 questions to bed,” said Steven Jones, a retired Brigham Young University physics professor and contributor to the 9/11 Truth Movement. Jones, along with other members of the movement, a loose coalition of people who distrust Washington’s version of the attacks, say the collapse of the twin towers is best explained as controlled demolition.
“As a scientist, I try to look at the evidence I can get,” Jones said.
It started with the “9/11 truthers,” who, after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, wondered why 110-story towers crashed and military jets failed to intercept even one airliner. They formed organizations. They held rallies. They filed many Freedom of Information Act requests.
They wrote books and studied the physics of the towers crumbling.
“I don’t know how you can have closure, when there are hundreds of contradictions to the stories that you were told. The story doesn’t end here because we are told bin Laden is dead,” said Mike Berger, who works with 911Truth.org, an organization founded to examine facts around the attack. “We are living in an endless war of trillions of dollars being spent without any responsibility.’’
Alex Jones, a radio personality out of Austin, who gives voice to the 9/11 Truth Movement and runs the Web site Infowars.com, sent out a Web headline that screamed, “Red Alert. Inside Sources: Bin Laden Corpse Has Been on Ice for Nearly a Decade.”
The “king of conspiracy,” as he is known by the media, pointed out discrepancies that went instantly viral. He lists FBI officials and counterintelligence leaders from Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan who have said for years that bin Laden was dead. Former Council on Foreign Relations member Steve R. Pieczenik even told Jones on the air in 2002 that bin Laden had been dead for months.
“Obama just relaunched his election bid, and nabbing bin Laden is the main kickoff campaign rally. Things aren’t going well. So they are bringing back an old staple. They need a hero. It’s the Orwellian archtypical bearded scary bad guy who is going to get us, so don’t worry, the government got the bad guy,’’ said Jones in a telephone interview after his syndicated self-titled afternoon radio show. “This isn’t Elvis, man. The government lied to us about WMDs.”
But Elvis didn’t die during the Facebook era, when Web pages such as “Osama bin Laden NOT DEAD” go up instantly. “There’s something fishy in the waters where they supposedly dropped him. A picture of him dead wouldn’t have hurt,” reads an entry by one contributor.
“They saved Che Guevara’s fingertips to prove it was him,” said Ted Goertzel, a professor of psychology at Rutgers University at Camden, N.J., who has written extensively on psychology and terrorism. “But Muslim tradition says you bury the body right away. The issue is, our society goes through a traumatic event of 9/11, and this comes 10 years later, so it’s not timed very well for our national mourning or anger. But the conspiracy reaction is a way of thinking that’s much more common today, and people are accustomed to it because of the Internet. There’s no screening process. People may also be going into an automatic response.”
At different moments in American history, such as after the deaths of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and President John F. Kennedy, the country becomes more prone to conspiracy theories because there’s so much hurt and anger, Goertzel said.
Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, who became a symbol of the opposition to the war, went on her Facebook page today to broadcast her theory.
“I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you’re stupid,” Sheehan writes. “Just think to yourself — they paraded Saddam’s dead sons around to prove they were dead — why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent — just put your flags away and THINK!”
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what do you think professor?
what do you think professor? are all these official reports unreliable? do you think obama faked this to win re-election? i think bush avoided capture since bin laden was hiding in plain view and obama called the bluff of the intelligence/security establishment. is that unreasonable to you? what is your personal political affiliation?
This movement
apparently has too much invested in the Osama Bin Rottin' hypothesis to give up on it, even though multiple reports of death, officially unconfirmed, refuted by audio and video tapes, unconfirmed by the Islamic fundamentalist diaspora logically weaken, not strengthen, the case.
Are we going to go through another Pentagon attack episode where we default to claiming everything is fake for a decade? I have tried to no avail to educate about the dangers of falsification-speculation. I don't believe the plane hit, so it must have been a missile (Meyssan's favorite fantasy). I don't believe the plane hit, and I have witnesses who 'falsify' the crash, therefore the plane actually flew over the Pentagon (CIT's favorite fantasy) I don't believe the plane hit, so it must have been a global hawk, an A3 skywarrior, a commuter jet, a plane-bomb, a plane impact from NoC, a truck bomb, Godzilla, Martians or maybe Don Rumsfeld had beans and let one slip. All of which, of course, are mutually exclusive and none of which are supported by direct, positive evidence.
Contrast that with the nanothermite paper: verification, not falsification.
So pick a date. When and where did Bin Laden die? Because all dates and locations are mutually exclusive, and therefore, the majority of these unsupported claims are.... (surprise) FALSE.
ETA:
Correction: not the majority, but at least all but one report of Bin Laden's death, by logic, must be false. Please, please consider this, 911blogger users. Later all.
Snowcrash said: "at least all
Snowcrash said:
"at least all but one report of Bin Laden's death, by logic, must be false. "
And I hope everyone heard that! It is an imporant point, lets argue with evidence that cant be debated as much as possible.
V, I think Bush is a
V,
I think Bush is a terrorist and hides in plain sight here in the U.S.
It is a crime for Obama not to follow the laws of a "Nation of laws" and arrest Bush for being a terrorist.
In essence Obama is a terrorist too if he is not arresting Bush for political reasons. The same could be argued for not pulling out of Afghanistan/Pakistan/Libya/Iraq.
Those are the terrorists.
And to those who are happy that Osama was killed this is not a good thing. No trial there guys, he was just asassinated for 9/11 without a trial. Simple injustice.
Nation of Laws
"It is a crime for Obama not to follow the laws of a "Nation of laws" and arrest Bush for being a terrorist."
Actually I think it would be a crime if he arrested someone without a warrant or a charge. You need to charge someone first and not only was Bush never charged he was re-elected as President. Even if you think he stole the 2004 election over 40 million people still voted for him and he was never even impeached.
"And to those who are happy that Osama was killed this is not a good thing. No trial there guys, he was just asassinated for 9/11 without a trial. Simple injustice."
You don't really think there was ever going to be a trial do you? If the authorities were to cowardly to have a trial for KSM, I think it's obvious there wouldn't have been one for UBL. He would have been thrown in a hole in Guantanamo and after a few years given a secret military tribunal then executed.
Yea it would be nice if Bush and the rest of his cronies faced justice and KSM and the rest put on trial in civilian court. But when cowards and criminals are running the show that isn't going to happen.
Executive Order#_________
Executive Order#_________ Sign, Arrest.
And anyhow, we dont need warrants and silly legal papers or rights like Habeus Corpus when we have the PATRIOT Act.
Benazir Bhutto In 2007: Bin Laden was Murdered
But wait
He died a natural death!
Which one of these fools is lying to me? Or maybe they are both full of it, can you imagine?
If people believe you're dead, people aren't going to be hunting you down, are they? Cui bono? I can think of several candidates.
Bhutto used dishonestly by "truthers"
She is trying to name someone without naming them.....from the video: "he also had dealings with Omar Sheikh the person who murdered Osama Bin Laden". No, Omar Sheikh is in prison for murdering Daniel Pearl, not Bin Laden - She tripped up and named Bin Laden mistakenly because the person she is reffering to while being careful not to give his name is Ijaz Shah. What does Ijaz Shah have to do with Omar Sheikh, Daniel Pearl, and Bin Laden? And why would she make a slip up like that? Read on...
"Shah was the ISI handling officer of the British-born international terrorist Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, convicted for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and part of the terrorist group Harkat-ul-Mujahideen as well as the handling officer for Osama Bin Laden and Mulla Mohammed Omar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijaz_Shah
This is the cause of the slip up.
The date of the interview with D Frost is Nov 2 2007. This was just a slipup that every human on earth makes mistakes like this It is nothing else. And there is logical reasons for the slip up as she had certain individuals on her mind at the time.
In June of 2007 Bhutto said this about Bin Laden.....
"If the Taliban are eliminated, or if their poster-boy Osama bin Laden is caught, the international cries for restoration of democracy will only deepen"
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=87921
She didn't say he was killed by Saeed how come? Because she believed he was alive hence the quote "if their poster-boy Osama bin Laden is caught"
In Oct of 2007 Bhutto said this about Bin Laden......
"If there is overwhelming evidence, I would hope that I would be able to take Osama bin Laden myself without depending on the Americans,"......
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/10/02/bhutto_would_t...
She didn't say Saeed killed Bin Laden..then on Nov 3rd, the DAY AFTER the frost interview when asked directly about Bin Ladens' whereabouts Bhutto said this..... "I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is, but I do feel that people around him are many who are associated with the earlier military dictatorship of the '80s".....
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/03/cnr.06.html
She didn't say Saeed killed Bin Laden....how many news stories do I have to point to before it is admitted that this was just a slipup and nothing more?
"...she had warned the Pakistani government that suicide bomb squads were going to go after her on her return to the country and that it had failed to act on the information."
“I know exactly who wants to kill me,” Ms. Bhutto said. “It is dignitaries of the former regime of General Zia who are today behind the extremism and the fanaticism.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/world/asia/20Pakistan.html?_r=2&th&emc...
"Shah was the ISI handling officer of the British-born international terrorist Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, convicted for the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and part of the terrorist group Harkat-ul-Mujahideen as well as the handling officer for Osama Bin Laden and Mulla Mohammed Omar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijaz_Shah
"After surviving an assassination attempt in October, former Premier Benazir Bhutto had said President Pervez Musharraf would be responsible if any harm came to her as she was not being provided adequate security."
"In an e-mail sent two months ago to her US adviser and longtime friend, Bhutto cited Musharraf government's denial of her request for additional security measures after the October suicide bombing that targeted her upon returning to Pakistan from exile."
"Nothing will, God willing happen," she wrote to Mark Siegel, her US Spokesman, lobbyist and friend. "Just wanted u (you) to know if it does in addition to the names in my letter to Musharaf of Oct 16nth, I wld (would) hold Musharaf responsible.
"I have been made to feel insecure by his minions and there is no way what is happening in terms of stopping me from taking private cars or using tinted windows or giving jammers or four police mobiles to cover all sides cld (could) happen without him."
"Bhutto wrote the e-mail on October 26, eight days after at least 130 people were killed and hundreds wounded in Karachi by the suicide bombing on her homecoming motorcade."
"Siegel forwarded that e-mail to CNN's Wolf Blitzer, with instructions he not report on it unless Bhutto was killed, the CNN said revealing the contents of the message. Bhutto had written a letter to Musharraf about her fears, apparently the same letter she refers to in her e-mail to Siegel."
"In her letter, Bhutto had reportedly said there was a threat to her life from former Chief Minister Chaudhry Parvez Elahi, former ISI chief Hamid Gul, Hassan Afzal, former Deputy Chairman of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB), and Intelligence Bureau chief Brig (Retd) Ijaz Shah."
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=762af7ed-e227-452f...
"...she had warned the Pakistani government that suicide bomb squads were going to go after her on her return to the country and that it had failed to act on the information."
“I know exactly who wants to kill me,” Ms. Bhutto said. “It is dignitaries of the former regime of General Zia who are today behind the extremism and the fanaticism.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/world/asia/20Pakistan.html?_r=2&th&emc...
"and Intelligence Bureau chief Brig (Retd) Ijaz Shah."
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?Id=762af7ed-e227-452f...
"Mr. Shah hung up when asked by telephone for a reaction to the allegations."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/world/asia/20Pakistan.html?_r=2&th&emc...
It seems to be perfectly fine around here to say the Government was behind the 9-11 attacks. As long as you only point the finger at the U.S. or Israeli Government, but I've got news for ya, some governments are even worse in some ways. I consider Bush and others in his administration of being traitors,(and not because I'm a left wing radical-I use to be a Republican) and although Obama may come from the same book, he going after Bin Laden shows me they are not on the same page. Kudos to Obama for not being the traitor Bush was. Remember-that was what we were supposed to do-go after the leader of "al Qaeda" not the leader of Iraq which had nothing to do with 9-11-Obama did that-Bush was a traitor, He used 9-11.while protecting the Saudi's and the ISI.
Bhutto likely meant Daniel Pearl...
... not Osama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIn_UnLO9I&feature=watch_response_rev
Cf. her other statements about Osama around this time.
Bhutto: "Although tribal terrain offers many opportunities for resistance, there
is another reason why Osama bin Laden has not yet been intercepted -- or that
the Taliban find such easy sanctuary once again."
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2007-06-09/us/27969285_1_mus...
Bhutto: "I don't think General Musharraf personally knows where Osama bin Laden
is."
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/03/cnr.06.html
Bin Laden unarmed when killed: White House
WASHINGTON — Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was unarmed when he was shot dead by US special forces, but he tried to resist and there was a "volatile firefight," the White House said Tuesday.
"In the room with bin Laden, a women -- bin Laden?s wife -- rushed the US assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed," Carney said.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/03/bin-laden-unarmed-when-killed-whit...
Military Mentality
Yea, it's just my opinion but I suspect that when the Navy Seals when in to get Bin Laden they couldn't wait to put a bullet in his head.
C'mon
Those guys are professionals who do exactly as instructed. They don't kill at a whim.
Anyway, the idea that the most sought-out terrorist is killed when he was unarmed and just resisting (how? using his walking stick?) is, of course, totally absurd unless one realizes that there are questions to which answers would not have been welcome.
The press and bin Laden's FBI wanted poster
Everyone following the issues with 911 knows that the FBI admitted in 2006 that the reason nothing was mentioned about 911 on Osama bin Laden's wanted poster is that it had no hard evidence against him for the crimes of Sept. 11, 2001. Apparently, the video of him admitting to it (that was allegedly found like a needle in a haystack in a house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan) was not something that a grand jury could indict him with, so there has to be a problem with that video. This is strange as it would seem that any drug dealer who was caught on video admitting to a big sale would most likely be indicted with that information.
However, the vast majority of the public does not know about the FBI not wanting him for 911, although he was wanted for other crimes such as the 1998 embassy bombings. It is indeed curious that the press isn't bringing this up.
Since you mentioned bin Laden's wife I wanted to bring up the fact that I have been wondering if she was taken into custody and interrogated.
If she hasn't been taken into custody and interrogated (and it doesn't sound like she has been), then one has to wonder why not? One would have to believe she would have information if he was guilty of involvement in the crimes committed on Sept. 11, 2001.
Finally, the two big questions I would have for anybody who thinks Osama bin Laden needed to be taken out because of his involvement in 911 are:
1. How they know Osama bin Laden was involved in 911 and what evidence there is for it?
2. They need to explain the symmetric freefall acceleration of WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane, and if they think it was a controlled demolition to then explain when the building could have been rigged and by whom?
FBI wanted poster still doesn't list 9/11
Usama bin Laden's FBI wanted poster has been updated to say "Deceased," and the media have made hay of this, but they say nothing of the fact that there is no mention of Sept., 11, 2001. Yet they quickly and categorically state that he was the "mastermind of 9/11" and responsible for "killing 3,000 people" ...
...just not WANTED for doing it! We should push this issue now that there is focus on his FBI poster. I would say it should be the top point for leading into everything else. And the reason WHY he's not wanted? Lack of any hard evidence connecting him to the crime, that's all. He was accused -- but not charged, tried or convicted. Not even charged, and yet we went to war! Are we that gullible and apathetic??
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden
I would use the word blamed
for being the mastermind of 911, as accused may sound like he was charged to some people, which we know he was not.
Another proof for this is that when the Taliban told the Bush administration they would hand bin Laden over if they were presented with evidence of his involvement in 911 the Bush administration could not provide it and sidestepped the issue by demanding he be handed over for the 1998 embassy bombings.
Noam Chomsky has even come out on record in the last year pointing out that the reason the Bush administration did not provide the Taliban with evidence for bin Laden's involvement in 911 is because they had none.
I agree that an issue should be made of this in whatever ways possible.
FBI Poster
"In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden/
Any idea what those other terrorist attacks might be?
Day of Terror Plot
Osama bin Laden was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Day of Terror plot, also known as the New York City landmarks plot. I'm sure we all remember that one don't we? This is when we tried terrorists in civilian courts, not military tribunals. But the plot was thwarted so I suppose that doesn't officially count as a terrorist attack. Other possibilities would be the Khobar Towers bombing, the USS Cole attack and of course 9/11.
Nevertheless, it is odd that a man considered to be a terrorist supervillain, the most wanted man in the world, had only been indicted for one act of terrorism. The gap between the myth and the reality seems very large with bin Laden.
America should obey the laws when enforcing the laws
Yes, Bin Laden was only a SUSPECT of crimes other than 9/11 on the FBI Most Wanted list. If the FBI had any evidence he had anything to do with 9/11, they certainly would have been happy to list it. But they didn't, to their credit. The FBI goes by evidence, not emotion. The main stream press goes too much by emotion - what sells to the public and enriches war profiteers.
There is considerable evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. Credible news sources reported Bin Laden died in December 2001. Nevertheless, Bin Laden was a stong suspect for other acts of terrorism. Even Charles Manson was captured alive, handled lawfully, got a trial including presentation of evidence, was convicted in a Court of Law, and went to jail.
We either have an American way of justice, or we don't. We cannot have 2 standards for human rights, and expect the world to follow. Especially when the 2nd standard is gangland style hit man behavior. Instead of simply surrounding the home, cutting water and electricity, and using tear gas, they burst in without a positve identification, shot a man and his wife in bed, near their 3 kids. Disposing of the body "to sleep wid da fishes" is a strong indication they shot the wrong guy, and had to cover it up.
This gangster behavior no better than the terrorists themselves. JSOC does not mean Just Shoot Omit Court. If Americans tolerate this behavior abroad, it is closer to coming home. We will only stop terrorism by holding ourselves to a higher standard, and obeying laws during law enforcement.
http://www.aneta.org/BinLaden/HowTheyBringInFugitives.jpg
Details on Bin Laden death photo.
"1. Photos of OBLs body at a hangar after he was brought back to Afghanistan. This is the most recognizable with a clear picture of his face. The picture is gruesome because he has a massive open head wound across both eyes. It’s very bloody and gory.
The official says the challenge is that the picture that includes the most recognizable image of OBLs face – from the hangar in Afghanistan – is so gruesome and mangled its not appropriate for say the front page of the newspaper. On the other hand, this is the one that is most identifiable as him."
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/03/even-more-on-the-photos/?hpt=T1
It is just a matter of hours
It is just a matter of hours until an image is released I am sure. I am sure it will be a field day of investigating when they are.
And now it seems there was no gunfight and Bin Laden was not armed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110503/ts_yblog_theenvoy/in-aftermath-of-bin-laden-raid-new-intelligence-shifting-accounts.
Imagine that.
I mentioned yesterday that there was no bullet casings or no guns on the floor in the video released thus far.
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-01/sources-al-qaida-head-bin-laden-dead#comment-249057
In a "40 minute operation" there was time to kill Bin Laden, film and pick up bullet casing and guns, and bodies...to bring them on helicopters? I don't think so.
I guess Team 6, the group that "doesn't exist" can do anything.....
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-team-that-killed-bin-laden-seal-team-6-2011-5
Now that I think about it why is the sun shining at 1:00 am Pakistan time?
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-01/sources-al-qaida-head-bin-laden-dead#comment-248983
And where are the soldiers cleaning up bodies, or computers or disks?
The fact remains that this was an assassination for a crime for which there was no trial.
I asked: "Now that I think
I asked:
"Now that I think about it why is the sun shining at 1:00 am Pakistan time?"
and
"And where are the soldiers cleaning up bodies, or computers or disks?"
I'll answer:
ABC was there the next morning to take that footage, the film was not taken by the Team 6.
Bin Laden daughter reportedly witnessed killing
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42892575/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/
“ISLAMABAD — Pakistani security sources on Wednesday offered a new account of the raid resulting in Osama bin Laden's death, telling NBC News that his young daughter allegedly told authorities she witnessed her father's death.
The NBC sources confirmed an earlier Al Arabiya report that the girl told Pakistani investigators that commandos had captured her father alive and shot him to death in front of the family in the compound. The daughter was part of a group taken away after the raid, the report said. “
The alleged daughter. We should demand a DNA check.
The alleged daughter. We have to take their word for it. Will any reporter get to interview her? No. She has been taken away to custody "for their protection" since they are "related to Bin Laden". Probably, no one will ever get to do an independently verified DNA check on her. This staged even was planned for years, including plausible deniability, to fool the public.
"The alleged daughter"
("Independently verified", now where have I heard that before...)
Do you remember this daughter ? She changed the world
John MITCHELL
Herblay FRANCE
bonjour
Do you remember this daughter ? She changed the world with her lies ?
With her lies, 15-year-old Nayirah daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the US changed world history.
Avec ses mensonges Nayirah fille de l'ambassadeur de Kuwait de les Etats Unis a changé le cours de l'histoire mondiale.
Read the back up copies on the row at
http://mouv4x8.perso.neuf.fr/11Sept01/911Pho01.html#BM9706
Yours
John
Yes--and your point?
Yes--someone who was actually a daughter was pretending NOT to be a daughter. A performance that depended on concealing an actual family relationship to a public figure, rather than on falsifying such a relationship where there actually was none.
And the ruse did work then, influencing passage of the war resolution at the UN and in Congress. Before her testimony, Bush's 'Desert Shield' operation had wide support, in massing US troops along the border to prevent any possible moves by Saddam into Saudi Arabia. It later turned out that Iraqi troop presence along the Saudi border had actually been greatly exaggerated in reports, but these were generally accepted at the time, and so 'Desert Shield' was supported. But support for actually going into Kuwait and driving the Iraqis out (what would become known as 'Desert Storm') was a very different matter where public and international opinion were concerned in November 1990. That's when this false testimony by an ambassador's-daughter-pretending-not-to-be-an-ambassador's-daughter came into play.
But any speculation about the raid in Abbottabad would be something like reversing this scenario--someone who is actually NOT a daughter pretending to be one.
Might that other kind of deception still be possible? My point is that the fact that deception was used in that previous instance is no grounds for presuming that it is being used in this one.
And supposing anything should come along purporting to 'expose' the girl in this case as not who she was reported to be, such information would need to be scrutinized with great caution as a possible red herring.
And above all, John, even though some will continue to have doubts and suspicions about what they have (or haven't) been told/shown, I think you would agree--as others have cautioned on this site--we absolutely do not want the 9/11 truth movement being sidetracked into becoming a 'was it really Osama who was killed in that raid?' movement. All the more so with the 10th anniversary coming up.
Now is the time to make sure Bin Laden's records are not altered
Now is the time to write our Congressmen and Senators to make sure that Bin Laden's papers and data disks are not altered or tampered in any way. The originals should be taken in to custody and put in the National Archives under strict rules that they never leave the building. Bin Laden's records and correspondence may well show that in his own words he was not responsible for planning 9/11. We should not let alter or delete the records to suit the needs of the real perpetrators.
The public and taxpayers, who funded all this trillion dollar effort to get Bin Laden, and lost some of our liberties, deserve to read all his writings NOW, before there is any time for alterations, deletions, photo-shopping, or redactions.
International Business Times
Bin Laden Raid Yields Treasure Trove of Data
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles_comments/140869/20110503/bin-laden-raid-yields-treasure-trove-of-data.htm
They had 10 years to manufacture "evidence"
On the other hand, the perpetrators had ten years to make up all the bogus evidence they wanted and planted it in the house, prior to the "surprise" raid. It has probably been someone's job, at US taxpayer's expense. The Pakistani leaders would be motivated to help the USA stage a raid, so the USA could "save face", declare "mission accomplished" and leave the area. If so, we can expect Obama to announce they found Bin Laden's diary and Things To Do List, saying "September 1, 2001: attack infidels in NY and Pentagon"
Good Advice
TruthMakesPeace saId... "Now is the time to write our Congressmen and Senators to make sure that Bin Laden's papers and data disks are not altered or tampered in any way. The originals should be taken in to custody and put in the National Archives under strict rules that they never leave the building."
Good advice! They'll probably end up doing something stupid though, like use them to gather intelligence information.
OK- I have found the email addresses of my Senator and Congressman, I was trying to think of exactly what to say to them, but wasn't sure- you seem to have a good way with words, can you show us what you said to your Senator and Congressman as an example? You did contact your Senator and Congressman didn't you? Don't leave me hangin' I don't want to be the only one -we will be more effective working as a group- so can you help me out with my letter writing campaign?
Did you?
TruthMakesPeace said...."Now is the time to write our Congressmen and Senators to make sure that Bin Laden's papers and data disks are not altered or tampered in any way. The originals should be taken in to custody and put in the National Archives"
You know what? I'm starting to think you never contacted your Senator and Congressman with this advice and makes me wonder why you would go on this forum and advise others to.
Investigators should work with copies, and keep originals safe
You gave me from 6:44am to 4:17pm on Sat, 05/07/2011 to respond, as if I don't have other blogs, activities and responsibilities. Then you "started to think" a false assumption. I did write my Congressman and Senators about this, and described the procedures for doing so on my blog, with a linked video, over a month ago. Your response seemed to be sarcastic, which was not a motivation to respond quickly, and only creates inter-Truther friction.
It is standard procedure in computer forensics for investigators to work with copies of the data, not the originals. The original data should be stored in the Archives to ensure they are never altered. We want to make sure that standard procedures are followed this time. Too often, in 9/11 matters, "standard procedures" have NOT been followed, and evidence has been destroyed. We should let the investigators know, through congressional oversight, that we do not want evidence to be added, altered or deleted. We do not want anyone to type up a Bin Laden 9/11 "confession letter" and claim it was from the original "treasure trove."
The Twin Towers did not "collapse"
that's not what actually occured, in reality.
Nothing else matters. So why isn't THIS truth, the one being shouted from the rooftops..?!!!
Instead, it's all about Bin Laden fakery - how is this helpful to our cause? It get's Alex Jones lots of traffic, but in what way does it aid our movement as a movement of the truth about 9/11..?
Instead, it's all about Bin
Instead, it's all about Bin Laden fakery
You should read the post before saying something like that.
Nothing on my post appealed to your fantasy of "Bin Laden Fakery" - You should stop spreading and propagating negatively associative terms that are made up here on Blogger.
But now I'll ask
How does you ignoring facts in this article and appealing to the authority about the death of Bin Laden help our movement?
The official story has changed multiple times now!!! It's ok to talk about that!!!
Millions of people online about Bin Laden and front page of Blogger has "we are change spreading love, peace and 9/11 truth"....okay. I love that, but it's not what people from Google are interested in right now, they will just travel right on to a site that is keeping up on the current news. This article covered facts. It did not postulate any theories or call anyone a liar. And it brought in the WTC 7 campaign, did you miss all that?
Try telling somebody about WTC 7 a year after Bin Laden has been killed and the 9/11 era is over (or at least in the publics mind). I don't see this getting any easier, and I want to capitalize on the opportunity to spread vital info. Your concept of "nothing else matters" does not appeal to me to be polite.
Bin Laden being killed is HUGE news, perhaps the biggest news since 9/11.
A few of us are following the inconsistencies with this event just as we have followed the inconsistencies of the official story of 9/11, this is not a seperate event to us.
You can ignore this if you want, thanks for your thoughts.
It is all about exposing Government deception of the public
This Bin Laden raid is easier to expose than 9/11. We are on guard now. We know the signals, such as when the Government does not abide by standard procedures. They killed instead of captured. They dumped the body in the sea, before an independent coroner could identify the time of death. The Bin Laden family was not allowed to see the body. None of the helmet cams were working during this important raid. No photos as we quickly saw of Saddam's sons. Pakistan only mildly objecting to us to go in to their air space. The indications of this being a staged event goes on...
When the public sees that this was a deception, they will be more open to accepting 9/11 as a deception.
Getting so tired of hearing this propoganda
I am a long time lurker on this forum, but the propaganda that is being spewed out from the White House and Pentagon about this story is just starting to make me sick, I think I have to do something. Now they've apparently found "porn" in OBL's compound, which is already becoming the butt of jokes, such as on SNL and the Daily Show. The WH was worried that improper handling of the body would spark outrage in the Muslim world, but they have no qualms about releasing that OBL had porn. Anyway, the whole thing is so fabricated and there are so many holes. But the big thing that struck me, given my background, is that they apparently confirmed the identity of OBL's body using analysis of DNA. I think this is impossible, given the time frame of the operation. With current technologies, it normally takes 2-7 days to get a firm confirmation of a persons identity, even if they had a prior sample from the deceased. There are PCR techniques which might give you a hint of relatedness within hours, but these are by no means accurate. I am wondering whether there is some way to file a request for release of the data they used to confirm identity? I have access to persons who have the most advanced technologies and equipment for doing this kind of thing in North America, and perhaps it might be useful to request "peer review". At any rate the whole DNA testing thing is just a silly smoke screen anyway. What would they have done if the test had come up negative? Oooops we shot the wrong guy, lets dump him overboard anyway. Please send me a message or comment if you have suggestions.
The porn release is
The porn release is absolutely irresponsible and in my opinion released by someone simply to instigate and provoke those that would be angered by some BS story like that.
This has become a circus. The objective truth will never be known.
The illusion of piety.
Supposedly pious religious fundamentalists watch porn and even abuse children. The Catholic church comes to mind, and Islam is no different. Iran is infested with heroin addicts (guess why) and gays meet each other in secret in order to avoid being strung up for the crime of homosexuality. American pastors who preach the loudest about sins commit them all, preferably at once. Ted Haggart, what a loser. Bin Laden, what a loser. I'm sure you think he was a swell guy who got dealt some bad cards, huh? How frightfully naive.
About the DNA, I'll let Jim make his point.
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-06/michael-ruppert-proof-obama-lying-about-killing-bin-laden#comment-249354
Oh yah, I pray for Bin Laden.
Oh yah, I pray for Bin Laden. C'mon.
No.
It's just that a week ago Obama "haulted" any more info on the Bin Laden raid.
White House officials said they would give no new details about the raid on his compound in Pakistan, an information clampdown that followed fitful attempts to craft a riveting narrative about the killing of al-Qaeda’s leader.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-goes-silent-on-bin-laden-raid/2011/05/04/AF1v87rF_story.html?hpid=z2
Except for the porn, the tapes, the videos, the unreleased audio teases, the threats and what next.....
You have no idea about the authenticity of the claims of porn in Bin Ladens compund SnowCrash.
Or, maybe you just think Bin Laden was the devil and the "annoymous source" citing the porn find is god? How frightfully naive.
I don't think you you think that - but if you want to talk to each other like children we can!
The pastors of America and Europe, well we have evidence there. And not from an "annonymous source."
I responded to someone who asked for a response, thank you for adding your important 2 cents.
I'm am not tangenting on this, so lets get back to our other good works
They have always found (or "found")...
... porn among the possessions of someone famous whom they have needed to convict or kill.
(Not sure how relevant this should be, as here in Finland, at least, a LOT of people - men and women alike - watch porn.)
Life after Bin Laden.
Life after Bin Laden. Abottobad, Pakistan.
A very interesting story at that site. Check it out, CNN carried some of this report.
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/pakistan-after-bin-laden-part-1-of-2--32
US tells Court bin Laden Photos Must Stay Secret
Public disclosure of graphic photos and video taken of Osama bin Laden after he was killed in May by U.S. commandos would damage national security and lead to attacks on American property and personnel, the Obama administration contends in a court documents.
In a response late Monday to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group seeking the imagery, Justice Department attorneys said the CIA has located 52 photographs and video recordings. But they argued the images of the deceased bin Laden are classified and are being withheld from the public to avoid inciting violence against Americans overseas and compromising secret systems and techniques used by the CIA and the military.
The Justice Department has asked the court to dismiss Judicial Watch's lawsuit because the records the group wants are "wholly exempt from disclosure," according to the filing.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-tells-court-bin-laden-photos-must-stay-221620289.html