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10 False Flags That Changed the World

Excellent work.

The history of false-flag events is absolutely crucial for people to understand the current situation.

For those few who haven't heard of it reading this, Alex Jones' Terrorstorm is a great resource if you would like to know more on the history of government-sponsored terror.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm

Also see the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares"
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7677803096919760113&q=the+power+o...

BBC

Oklahoma City...

I think Oklahoma City should replace one of those events.

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Wouldn't you rather be writing with a goose quill on a sheeps hide?
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Maybe "Jenny Revolution"

Maybe "Jenny Revolution" wouldn't mind, but I'M all about 20th century technology!

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Grrr...argh!

You know you've earned respect

when no one dares to vote down your doubleposts to shrink them in order to save space. ^_^

You're sweet...;-)

It helps I try to add something witty to entertain...

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Oh do be careful

some have been calling me he who doth dare speak about that thou shalt not speak about lately, and it might be infectious...

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Nah, OC was a false-flag

Nah, OC was a false-flag fumble: they tried to blame it on those insrutable muslims, then it went pear shaped on the bastards. That reduced it's psy-op potential to little more that Ruby Ridge, and Waco, "shock and awe" with a domestic, not foriegn, agenda.

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But OC further taught them

But OC further taught them how easy it was to control media reporting and do damage control if necessary. They utilized the lessons learned on 9/11.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how badly Hitler really *needed* the false-flag incident against Poland. Perhaps it was more of a nice-to-have thing.

Maybe they could have just announced that Polish troops had crossed the border a couple of times without any "evidence" provided by a false-flag attack, and that would have been enough. (The same with the Soviets' self-inflicted Mainila shots, which they blamed on Finland.)

The importance of false flag attacks should not be underestimated, but not overestimated either.

The FBI Bombed the WTC in 1993

It was the FBI that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. None of this would be known today if it were not for the FBI's undercover agent Emad Ali Salem taping his conversations with his FBI handlers (unbeknownst to them). Salem thought that the FBI might try to pin it on him so he took measures to protect himself. Indeed, without the FBI the '93 WTC bombing would never have happened, as it was agent Salem who built the bomb for the would-be Muslim "terrorists." Salem wanted to use fake ingredients for the "bomb" but the FBI ordered him to make a real one. When the making of the bomb was complete Salem told the FBI that they could now arrest the would-be terrorists, but the FBI refused to stop the bombing. After agent Salem went public with his tapes in a news conference the FBI found it necessary to pay him over a million dollars to shut him up.

For more on the above, see the below New York Times articles:

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 28, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4;

"Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 27, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm

http://stateterror.web1000.com/fbi-bombed-wtc-new-york-times.html

And see also:

"Who Bombed The World Trade Center? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed," Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash, The Shadow, October 1994/January 1995 Issue:

http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html

On the above webpage you can find the below two audio clips from one of Emad A. Salem's recorded telephone conversations with one of his FBI handlers, FBI Special Agent John Anticev:

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

http://stateterror.web1000.com/emad-salem.mp3 (Backup copy.)

The above clip is an excerpt from the below longer clip:

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3

http://stateterror.web1000.com/SalemWBAI.mp3 (Backup copy.)

The above clips are from a broadcast on WBAI Radio in the city of New York which aired this taped conversation between Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev.

The below transcript is from 2:57 to 4:31 min:sec from the longer clip (SalemWBAI.mp3):

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FBI Special Agent John Anticev: But, uh, basically nothing has changed. I'm just telling you for my own sake that nothing, that this isn't a salary, that it's--you know. But you got paid regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don't tell Nancy I told you this. [Nancy Floyd is another FBI Special Agent who worked with Emad A. Salem in his informant capacity.]

FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: Well, I have to tell her of course.

Anticev: Well then, if you have to, you have to.

Salem: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being honest and everything was submitted with a receipt and now it's questionable.

Anticev: It's not questionable, it's like a little out of the ordinary.

Salem: Okay. Alright. I don't think it was. If that's what you think guys, fine, but I don't think that because we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A. and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!

Anticev: Well.

Salem: And then he put his head in the sand and said "Oh, no, no, that's not true, he is son of a bitch." [Deep breath.] Okay. It's built with a different way in another place and that's it.

Anticev: No, don't make any rash decisions. I'm just trying to be as honest with you as I can.

Salem: Of course, I appreciate that.

Anticev: And as far as the payments go, and everything like that, they're there. I guarantee you that they are there.
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The following exchange is from 8:00 to 8:34 min:sec on the longer clip (SalemWBAI.mp3):

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FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: [Have] you ever verified information and you find me falsifying any information to the Bureau?

FBI Special Agent John Anticev: Falsify? No. No.

Salem: No. Alright. So, every single information I supplied, it's very excellent and correct.

I was talking to El Sayyid Nosair's [I'm not sure if this is the correct name that Salem says] wife yesterday, and she's going to visit him today, and I will be going to visit him next week, as per the arrangement. What am I supposed to do this trip? I don't have money to do this trip. And then to go over there and the guy will ask me to build a bomb again. ...
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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

False Flags of Our Fathers

THANX
I would add the USS Liberty and I think the Korean War 1950-53 which killed 35,000 Americans and thousands more ...
may have a false flag???

False Flags that are paid for in blood ,money and endless suffering that protects the privleged while destroying the Freedoms of the masses.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

"During the Six Day War between Israel and the Arab States, the American intelligence ship USS Liberty was attacked for 75 minutes in international waters by Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats. Thirty-four men died and 174 were wounded.

The attack, which was a war crime, has been a matter of controversy ever since. Survivors and many key government officials including Secretary of State Dean Rusk, former JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer, and nearly every senior American intelligence professional say it was no accident. Israel and its supporters insist it was a "tragic case of misidentification" and charge that the survivors are either lying or too emotionally involved to see the truth.

Israel claims they mistook our ship for the out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir and that we brought the attack upon ourselves by operating in a war zone without displaying a flag. Not so. We were in international waters, far from any fighting, and flew a bright, clean, new American flag. The flag we flew when the torpedo boats approached is on display at the National Cryptologic Museum, Fort Meade, Maryland and can be seen there, or in the USS Liberty Images Archive. The flag we flew during most of the air attack will be permanently displayed at the Cold War Museum near Washington, DC.

Our commanding officer, Captain William Loren McGonagle, received the Congressional Medal of Honor for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty during the attack. The Congressional Medal of Honor is the highest award our country can bestow. To avoid embarrassing our attackers, Captain McGonagle's Medal of Honor was presented in a quiet ceremony in the Washington Navy Yard instead of in the White House by the President as is customary."

There are many more examples as well.

Abraham Lincoln had a conspiracy theory that got him similarly demonized as "Spotty" Lincoln that then-pres. Polk had engineered the Mexican-American war.

You could go back further and point out that the Declaration of Independance is also a conspiracy theory, with the main conspirators being King George and his court.

It's only recently that the phrase and what it means has become villified as unpatriotic, and that is because the ruling system is inherently a conspiracy in itself.

"The Forgotten War"

Another false flag..
sounds like the Military Industrial complex had this one planned for yrs also..

as 911 was in the cooker possibly as far back as the 1970s..
Kissinger wanted permanent US bases in the ME.

"War is Personal"

look at the death counts for any of the many US wars.

911 is the launching pad for the GWOT named by Rummy as" the Long War"

The Long War will intensify the police state wars against the US Citizenry.

Natl ID's in May 2008.

http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

"Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.

Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.

The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.

Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.
{incorrect number}"

36,516 in country deaths {much more accurate number}

Chomsky on USS Liberty

He argued to me that the Israel knew from the beginning that it was a U.S. ship. The idea, according to him, was to sink the ship, because it was spying on Israeli communications in the Golan. When I asked him how the Israeli thought they could get away with it, he said they just counted on it and that nations often take incredible risks.

Not surprisingly, Chomsky denies the possibility that USS Liberty was a false-flag operation.

Well, if THAT's an appropriate punishment for spying

take care next time, art students and NSA.

you can add this to the list of spying, chomsky...

At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis.

CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy." This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome." [CBS News]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

http://anti-neocons.com/

Hm

That probably qualifies as the top 10, but this list probably needs an Honorable Mention section that would include, but not be limited to such events (which didn't quite change the world but did serve their purposes) as:

- London 7/7 bombings
- Pre-Gulf War incubator baby hoax
- [I'm presently out of ideas. Comment with more honorable mentions :)]

And how did Operation Northwoods change the world if it never actually got done [Kennedy refused to sign it? Wasn't that how it went? I don't have time to go re-reading stories right this second..]? Or is it counted because the *idea* was passed down for later use?

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The META message of 9/11 truth

This emphasized what I recently posted on the Cindy Sheehan blog...

ALL GOVERMENTS LIE TO START WARS.

If we expose the truth and lies of 9/11 we can undercut the trend to commit false flag operations to start wars.

This is SO very important right now considering what might happen with Iran.

The 9/11 truth movement is poised make an historical breakthrough in the path to world peace.

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How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?

It's people like this who need to be educated

on false-flag terror. This 'useful idiot' is using his popularity on youtube to call for a BOYCOTT of the truth movement, and is spreading propaganda to the effect that Iran is going to pull off the next 911.The worst thing ; he thinks he's anti-Bush/ anti-war/ ant-torture. Please truthers let's knock him off his pedestal.

"Please truthers let's knock

"Please truthers let's knock him off his pedestal."

With love.

Okay, now I'm channeling LeftWright...

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Show "YOUR WRONG!" by Susan

Truth hurts?You have no idea what I stand for.

So you agree with him that 911 wasn't an inside job?And how exactly am I a gatekeeper for Isreal again? I wonder if you even watched the whole video. Warren often unknowingly mixes 10 percent fact with 90 percent bs.

Whoever he is, he's hateful AND ignorant

Not a good combination.

Perhaps if he spent less time raging and more time studying ALL the facts he might be able to find his way past his own dysfunction.

Perhaps I'm missing something, Building 7, why did you think it necessary to inflict this on 911Blogger?

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Psychological Study in Denial Mainly :)

1. He gets thousands of veiws and comments on Youtube, unfortunately alot of people take him seriously (I know , hard to beleive), and is misrepresenting our movement as "no-planers".I want to set the record straight.

2. Youtube is a fronteir in the infowar. And lately thruthers have been outweighing the ignorant and the paid shills in his comment section and others. I want to encourage this trend particularily as it inoculates against future false flag events.

3. He had nicely convinced himself that the 911 truth movement was just some small fringe cult and that if it were otherwise he would already know about it . I like to shatter that illusion with a deluge of international Truth.

GREAT FALSE FLAG = BATTLE OF SAGUNTUM

Maybe the greatest False Flag of all time was the Battle of Sanguntum (219 BC).

Hannibal Barca of Carthage anniliated the small city of Saguntum, starting the Second Punic War.

The eventual victory by the Roman Republic made it a world power.

Can't find good details on the net for this, but these links provide some tidbits:

http://www.ga.k12.pa.us/Academics/MS/8th/romanhis/Forum/jeffa/battle.htm

Quote from link:

"When the Saguntians, who were allies with the Romans, were on the journey back, they killed a number of the Taressian settlers who just happened to be allies of Carthage."

Why would a small city attack Hannibal's allies? Were they nuts, or was this a False Flag?

Another link:

http://www.livius.org/ha-hd/hannibal/hannibal.html

Quote from link:

"Already in Antiquity, the question whether the capture of Saguntum was a violation of a treaty between Hasdrubal and the Roman Republic was discussed."

Did Rome really have a treaty with Sanguntum, or was this really a DOUBLE FALSE FLAG event?

My money, based on the future of Rome, gobbling up weaker neighbors, is on the False Flag hypothesis.

5.The Myth of Pearl Harbor! FDR into war in 1940! C-span censors

Please educate yourself on the FDR's role in the begining of WWII, specifically the origins of Africa campaign already in 1940!!! (clear intent and commitment to full scale engagement in the WWII by the US).

And the role of the espionage network connected and reporting directly to the White House bypassing thus the other branches of government. Pls. this is not FDR bashing per se just a fine historical account.

This is top stuff, historical account compiled from memoirs of these people and european archives. Accidently spotted on the C-span books videos lately. Someone should rip that before it goes down:

FDR's 12 Apostles - Vaughan, Hal - Author

?!Well they pulled the video from the free archive! I've watched it few days ago and recommened it all over, now it's only hidden in their webshop, wtf??

It used to be on the top of the list few days ago here:

http://www.booktv.org/history/archive.asp screenshots: http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&r... http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&p...

Pls. join me and write c-span to explain why they deleted the video file ?!

---- E-Mail Communicate with the C-SPAN Online Staff, Viewer Services, and others at the network. * Viewer Services: Questions about Program Air Times. * Booktv@c-span.org: Questions and comments about Book TV programming. * Online: Questions and Comments about the Book TV Web Site. Please use this address for web site-related questions ONLY. * C-SPAN in the Classroom Telephone # Front Desk (202) 737-3220 # Viewer Information Line: (765) 464-3080

This program is scheduled to air again Monday morning

http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=7764&schedID=478&category=...

Hopefully someone will get a capture or tivo rip of it.

Where's Tarpley?

No more RBN shows for him? That stinks. The guy in his spot is doing an OK job on demolition issues, but he's no Tarpley.

Incidentally, I see False Flag News is finally posting again.
http://www.falseflagnews.com/

Webster's moving

http://www.gcnlive.com Did you miss all that went on at RBN recently? I haven't caught up with Tarpley in awhile either.

No Gladio!!?? Gladio

No Gladio!!??

Gladio completely changed the political landscape of Western Europe over a period spanning decades.

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Italy

Exactly! Italy was the laboratory for the modern and regular use of state-sponsored terrorism. Not one bomb: decades of bombs and terrorism!
Guy Debord and his friends the Situationists were the ones who in 1969 predicted, in the midst of huge strikes by Italian workers that paralyzed the country and threatened Italian capitalism, that the powers that be would use bombs, terror, something to shock the people, scare them, and draw them out of the streets and back home.
Guy Debord talks about it in his letters and in Comments on The Society of the Spectacle.
But let us not forget state-sponsored terrorism in Algeria in the 1990s! That was absolutely huge!

Read the last genius on this Earth: http://www.notbored.org/debord.html

Indeed. And I'm glad to see

Indeed. And I'm glad to see another fan of Guy Debord on the forum. Let it be known, however, that Gladio is an umbrella term for the so-called "strategy of tension" --- a campaign that encompassed not only Italy but all of Western Europe. Belgium had a particualrly noxious unit: they would stroll into Supermarkets and mow down old ladies with machine guns. Lovely folks, these fascists.

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Gleiwitz incident

Gliwice Radio Tower. The highest wooden structure in Europe. The Gleiwitz incident was a staged attack on 31 August, 1939 against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Republic of Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe. It was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany, which would be used to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.

http://www.answers.com/topic/gleiwitz-incident

False Flag

Great job Joe Crubaugh. This site is getting good.

Auxiliary info.

What's different this time?

So, in 1935 Medal of Honor recipient Brigadier General Smedley Butler spelled it out in his popular book "War is a Racket." And still, it didn't stop a century of war....the ol' military industrial complex keeps on rolling, and the world keeps churning out more kids faster than we can educate them about the way false flags can have them get their legs blown off so somebody else makes a bigger buck.

Smedley's book was out there, and he lectured and spread the news. People got it. And then the schmucks fell for the "we're being attacked, you gotta go kill somebody" yet again.

What's gonna be different this time? How do you break the chain? Not promoting religion, just wisdom attributed to Jesus...I finally see the only way to defuse the cycle is to always turn the other cheek...that's the best defense against the threat of false flag operations. But, we know that ain't gonna happen as soon as somebody comes on TV and says Iran is behind the bomb that gave San Francisco a fifty-year glow, or whichever city's next...

So, how do you fight it without just going through the motions of everybody that's failed before?

This will never stop

unless people choose to become educated, on an individual basis. But fortunately, these days wisdom is merely a click away.

NIST WTC7 Damage Pic FAKE

Even with damaged corner, argument is moot...

The faked photos don't help the official story. With or without a damaged corner, steel skyscrapers don't collapse like WTC 7 did (without charges, I mean...)

Whatreallyhappened has some nice photos of what happens to a steel skyscraper with a damaged corner...sort of what you'd expect, too...it falls over sideways.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/buildfall2.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/buildfall6.jpg

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/buildfall7.jpg

Ahhhh...Those collapses look soooooo much more realistic than WTC 7.

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"The faked photos don't help the official story."

Indeed, considering the one with the damage has been presented by NIST as evidence, if I'm not mistaken...

I think the point is..

That NIST was more than willing to either fake or to knowingly use a faked image to try to make their case. Remember, they are the ones with the 1000's of photos and videos they won't release to the public. They must have known that this photo of theirs was a fake. It shows they are willing to flat out lie.

Exactly.

That's what I meant, maybe I should have stated it a little more explicitly ;-)

"Unreal" photo

I always used to think that the picture on the left looks somehow unreal.

I have actually tried to verify the corner damage in other pics, but in them that corner is always covered by smoke.

But the picture on the right indeed suggests that NIST's picture is a fake. If it can be shown that NIST has used a fake photo, that is HUGE.

But is it possible that the corner collapsed later, after the picture on the right was captured? Or could NIST always claim it did?

Was the left image somehow manipulated?

How did you come up with the left comparison image?

It isn't quite similar to this (objects' angles, etc):

http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth911/truth911/swcornerdamage.jpg

Appears as if it's just been skewed

to approximate the other perspective and make comparison easier.

Three more false-flag attacks & three objections...

Thank you reprehensor.

Understanding that this is a game and we each have our own ideas, three I would include in any "top 10" list:

1) The Moscow 1999 apartment bombings = fully confirmable false flag attack orchestrated by the FSB (former KGB) to replace Yeltsin with Putin and initiate a second attack on Chechnya. This example is fascinating and highly relevant because of its proximity to 9/11, the almost fully parallel structure. One imagines it served as a demonstration to the 9/11 conspirators of how easy it is to get away with, if only you are the sherriff. Also, the truth came out and yet it didn't change a thing.

Check out a long discussion here:
//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=100475

Here is how I wrote it up in 2002 (as part of one of my best webpages ever, "September 11th - On this Day in History"):
http://911truth.org/osamas/history.html#1999

A site promoting a book co-authored by Litvinenko:
http://terror99.ru

I think the Russian example is a very important one in helping to unleash Americans' inhibitions. They have no trouble believing that this stuff is possible in Russia! Also, it shows what kind of justifications Machiavellian actors might come up with for taking such actions.

2) Gladio. I can't think of a more paradigmatic series of incidents for illustrating the "strategy of tension." In fact, the term was coined for it. Lemnitzer of Northwoods went to Europe to head NATO and next thing you know, the stay-behind CIA-built militias of Italy and other countries.

3) The Kuwaiti incubator babies lie. This is within current memory. It's a fantastic example because it's so cartoonish: here is the [b]Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter,[/b] looking 16 and speaking fine English, pretending she's a nurse and telling an absurd baby-slaughter story, and not one member of the independent US press figures this out. The whole of the US media swallows the whole thing. It proves that yes, things ARE that bad. When called upon to present crisis propaganda in the run-up to a war, the US corporate media is no better than a Soviet-style transmission belt for anything the government says.

And here are three objections (and please if anyone disagrees - reply in the spirit of debate. Don't point this down for not conforming with your ideas):

1) Pearl Harbor is not accurately described as a false flag. It was an act of war by the sovereign, fascist state of Japan, which had already launched wars of aggression and invaded Manchuria, China, Indochina and other nations, committing large-scale atrocities, and which had a deal with Nazi Germany, the worst state ever, to split Eurasia and "rule the world." All this is true, regardless of the degree of foreknowledge by the US government that an attack was coming. Furthermore, I ask you: If you knew the Japanese fleet was coming, what would you have done in FDR's place?

2) No one really knows what sunk the Maine. The idea that it was the Spanish is absurd. However, the incident was exploited to make war in the way of a false-flag attack. I am inclined nevertheless to believe the Navy version released 75 years later (engine explosion, such as was common at the time). This is a case where another pretext would have been found to achieve the then-imperialist goal of relieving Spain of her empire. The idea of this war was very popular, "low-cost" and needed very little in the way of brainwashing. (It was the Philipinos and Cubans in the end who paid the price.)

3) Please don't pretend anyone knows for sure what happened in the year 67. Some people may retroactively identify with the cult of the Christ, others may sympathize with the pagans (who would ultimately fall victim to Christian fanaticism and be massacred, forced into conversion, and forced to watch the temples and the libraries of a whole civilization burn down). No one can know this today. Perhaps you should keep this, but as a question: It becomes an essential example because it is a warning. It shows us what might happen when the history of the present day is written, if we do not succeed in getting the truth of September 11th out NOW.

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Wolves in Sheep's Clothing

Nicholas, you wrote:

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1) Pearl Harbor is not accurately described as a false flag. It was an act of war by the sovereign, fascist state of Japan, which had already launched wars of aggression and invaded Manchuria, China, Indochina and other nations, committing large-scale atrocities, and which had a deal with Nazi Germany, the worst state ever, to split Eurasia and "rule the world." All this is true, regardless of the degree of foreknowledge by the US government that an attack was coming. Furthermore, I ask you: If you knew the Japanese fleet was coming, what would you have done in FDR's place?
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The Pearl Harbor attack wasn't a false-flag attack in the sense that the U.S. government was actually flying the Japanese planes, but it most definitely was a staged attack in that President Franklin D. Roosevelt intentionally provoked, knew in advance and allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor. See, e.g.:

"The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor" http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum

And that's just one among many, many smoking guns proving that the Pearl Harbor attack was an intentionally staged by the U.S. government in order to get the U.S. into war. For many more such smoking-gun, Freedom of Information Act-released U.S. government documents proving that the U.S. government knew exactly when Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor, as well as their efforts to provoke exactly this response, see the book Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert B. Stinnett. For more on just some of that, see:

"Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?," an interview with Robert B. Stinnett by Douglas Cirignano, The Independent Institute, March 11, 2002 http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=408
http://www.independent.org/tii/news/020311Cirignano.html

And for a list of dozens of hardcore smoking guns proving the Pearl Harbor attack was an intentionally staged by the U.S. government, see:

"Pearl Harbor: Mother of All Conspiracies," Mark Emerson Willey http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pear...

Additionally, you said,

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3) Please don't pretend anyone knows for sure what happened in the year 67. Some people may retroactively identify with the cult of the Christ, others may sympathize with the pagans (who would ultimately fall victim to Christian fanaticism and be massacred, forced into conversion, and forced to watch the temples and the libraries of a whole civilization burn down). No one can know this today. Perhaps you should keep this, but as a question: It becomes an essential example because it is a warning. It shows us what might happen when the history of the present day is written, if we do not succeed in getting the truth of September 11th out NOW.
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They certainly didn't fall victim to any Christian fanaticism. That's a logical contradiction, as Jesus Christ commanded,

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"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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From Matthew 5:38-48 (NKJV; see also Luke 6:27-38). Jesus commanded us that in all things we are to treat others as we would want others to treat us (Matthew 7:12; see also Luke 6:31). An equivalent formulation of this is love your neighbor as yourself (see Matthew 19:19; 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-34; Luke 10:25-28). Another equivalent formulation of this is Jesus’s Commandment that we love one another as He has loved us (see John 15:12,17; 13:15,34,35; 1 John 3:11,12,23; 4:11,20,21). Everything that Jesus ever commanded people to do can be logically reduced back to this one principle, commonly referred to as the Golden Rule.

The founder of Christianity Himself defined what it means to be a Christian. You act as if you've never heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing, a hypocrite, or a deluded and deceived follower of power-mongers.

Rather, what they and also true Christians fell victim to was *ruling elite* fanaticism, just as the mass of mankind has been brutally victimized by government for thousands of years before Christ. And governments have always had their court intellectuals to justify and popularize the state's rule, of which used to be, in large part, the priestcraft (whether pagan, or phoney "Christian," etc.), and nowadays is academe and the major media.

For more on this, see my below article:

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001) http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

James, as for Pearl Harbor...

The measures you cite are all intended to damage Japanese interests and provoke an attack, yes, so that the US can get involved in World War II and act to end both Japanese and German fascism - which were both evil and both dangerous to the whole world, as well as to US interests.

In no way is it accurate to therefore say the US "staged" the Pearl Harbor attack. Japan "staged" Pearl Harbor, and be it in response to US provocations, or with US foreknowledge.

And if I were FDR and knew the attack was coming, I would try to move some assets to safety but, sadly, let it happen. The alternative, a genuinely defensive preemptive attack on the Japanese fleet at sea in the Pacific, would have left doubts about who initiated hostilities by means of an (attempted) surprise attack.

We need not argue if it was right to embargo and otherwise act to limit one of the 20th centuries' true "rogue states," a fascist empire engaged in wars of aggression and genocide, invading many countries and aiming for world supremacy. Do you propose the US should have made sure the oil kept flowing to the Japanese war machine? Fine. We can agree to disagree. We might find we agree on every other example, but not World War II, where there is no doubt about the greater and lesser evils.

I've read your Jesus was an anarchist essay. The material genuinely interests me.

But as for the example at hand: Rome burned, Nero blamed the Christians, and you can't get around the fact that today nobody knows what really happened. It should serve as an example of how history often fails to provide definitive answers, 2000 years later, and lend urgency to our own struggle around the facts of 9/11.

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"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."
summeroftruth.org

Setting Up the Dominoes to Knock them Down

Nicholas, Japan's political economy had no pedigreed ideological connection to Benito Mussolini's fascism. The way you're using the term is as a "scare word" to apply to a command-and-control political economy. But in that sense the word, the term fascism also applies to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, i.e., the meaning of fascism whereby businessmen are owners of their capital in a marginal de jure sense (i.e., on a mostly worthless piece of paper), whereas the government de facto owns and commands the capital.

It was also Franklin D. Roosevelt who repeatedly went out of his way to support history's second-largest mass-murderer (after Mao Tse-Tung, who was also supported by the U.S. government): Joseph Stalin, whom Roosevelt referred to as Uncle Joe, and to whom Roosevelt handed over Eastern Europe.

As far as "true 'rogue states,'" "genocide," and "the greater and lesser evils," nobody besides Mao Tse-Tung practiced mass-murder of non-combatant subject on a greater scale than Stalin. As of year's end 1941, Hitler had not yet "begun the Holocaust," and his persecution of Jews played no role in Roosevelt's decisions. Yet at that time Stalin's mass-murder via the forced famine of the Ukraine, the mass arrests by the NKVD, the purges and show trials, the Gulags, the assassination of Leon Trotsky, and the invasions of Poland (with at least 22,000 Polish POWs and prisoners massacred in Katyn Forest), Estonia, Finland, Latvia, and Lithuania were already well-known by the Western governments.

Nor did the Japanese have any desire to attack the U.S., as they knew any attempt to invade the mainland would be hopeless (as Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is said to have observed, "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass," referring to the widespread gun ownership by the common masses in the U.S.). The Japanese and German governments had no desire to see the U.S. enter the war. The Japanese government attacked Pearl Harbor as a last resort out of desperation due to Roosevelt's continuous intentionally belligerent provocations, of which were designed to elicit exactly that response by Japan in order to provide a pretext for the U.S. entering the war which Roosevelt swore up and down to the U.S. public that he would have no part in (i.e., provided U.S. land wasn't attacked).

So stop having any pretense that Roosevelt did the common mass of the world any favor, as quite the opposite is the case. World War II itself was orchestrated by the globalist ruling elite to create a world-wide reality change (as indeed World War I had so also been orchestrated) in order to increase centralization of the world under the major powers (in this case, under the U.N., and under the NATO and Communist powers), leading up to the globalist ruling elite's self-termed New World Order one-world government and enforced one-world religion. Roosevelt, like all modern U.S. presidents, was simply a figurehead carrying out the wishes of his monied, ruling elite backers. (Excepting Kennedy later in his term, when he finally did catch on to the scam and decided to do something about it by issuing silver-backed U.S. Treasury Notes under Executive Order 11110, and was saying that he intended to abolish the CIA. But those actions got his head blown off in short order.) As President Roosevelt himself noted:

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The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson--and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States--only on a far bigger and broader basis.
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(From President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, November 21, 1933; contained in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945, edited by Elliott Roosevelt [New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1950], pg. 373.)

Roosevelt in the above letter mentioned President Woodrow Wilson ("W.W."). Below is what Woodrow Wilson himself wrote concerning this same matter:

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Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

...

[A]nd we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world--no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
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(From Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People [New York and Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company, 1913] http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14811/14811-8.txt .)

For more on this orchestration (funding and controlling both sides) by the globalist ruling elite, see the below scholarly books by Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D.:

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (New Rochelle, N.Y.: Arlington House Publishers, 1974) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

(Note: Chapter I of the above book refers to a 1911 St. Louis Post-Dispatch cartoon illustration by Robert Minor. This can be viewed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Robert-Minor-Dee-Lighted-1911.png .)

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (Suffolk, England: Bloomfield Books, 1976) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_wall_street/index.html

The Best Enemy Money Can Buy, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (Billings, M.T.: Liberty House Press, 1986) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_best_enemy/index.html

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Excellent writeup.

Excellent writeup. Newspapers should carry that.

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

We are unlikely to agree on the Russian Revolution

And this is not really the place for a debate I've also studied for many years. Suffice to say I'm not satisfied with Sutton's account. I wonder why you left out the West's assault on the Russian Revolution and invasion of Russia on behalf of the Whites.

One thing that was true in 1941 is that the Soviet Union, however horrible its purges, was not engaged in a war of aggression outside its borders, not announcing genocidal intentions (as Hitler had even before 1933), and not invading other countries as part of an openly available plan to gain living-space for a particular race. This is the difference between the self-declared "communist" (actually state capitalist) one-party states and the Axis powers, and why the latter were the far greater threat to the world.

By 1941 Germany had imprisoned hundreds of thousands of dissidents and killed tens of thousands, undergone a full-fledged national pogrom against the Jews and expropriated their properties, committed mass euthanasia on patient populations at mental and handicapped institutions, invaded other sovereign nations, executed tens of thousands of Polish intellectuals and rounded up the Jews into ghetos.

Terminology of whether the Japanese militarist dictatorship can be called fascist aside: What do you think Japan was doing in East Asia?

As for JFK's supposed attack on the Federal Reserve by means of Executive Order 11110, I agree with G. Edward Griffin's conclusion that this a myth:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/44/1441/August-27-2004.asp?nid=14...

JFK was no savior and has been idealized since his assassination in the coup d'etat of 1963. The suspension of constitutional government from Nov. 22nd forward does not mean that he wasn't a member of the ruling elite himself. He did pursue a fundamental factional policy struggle that threatened military-industrial and intelligence community interests. I think the evidence is clear he wanted to leave Vietnam, end the extraconstitutional power of the CIA (at any rate, he was contemplating it), and de-escalate the Cold War.

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"Truth is not measured in mass appeal."
summeroftruth.org

1999 Russian Apartment Bombings

Nicholas above mentioned the 1999 Russian apartment bombings staged by the Russian govermment (i.e., specifically the FSB). This is a topic I've been posting on for a number of years.

Terrorism is the health of the state, which is why so many governments throughout history have manufactured terrorism in which to serve as a pretext in order to usurp ever more power and control.

Below is documentation on Vladimir "Mr. Hexogen" Putin* and the 9/99 Russian apartment building bombings:

The September 1999 Russian apartment building terror-bombing campain used hexogen (i.e., cyclonite; RDX) as the explosive and was blamed on Chechen terrorists despite there being not the slightest shred of evidence that Chechens were behind it, and it later turned out that the bombings were done by the Russian government itself (i.e., under former KGB spy and FSB head, and then Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin) in order to get the Russian people behind another war against Chechnya (oh, how familiar it all sounds!)--indeed, the Russian government (i.e., the FSB, the present-day KGB) was actually caught red-handed by local police and citizens in the city of Ryazan planting live explosives (i.e., hexogen) with live detonators in an apartment building!

The below article by David Satter, published by the Hudson Institute, is probably the best overall article concerning much of the evidence that the 9/99 Russian terrorist bombings were done by the Russian government. The National Review article is simply based upon the Hudson Institute article, but without the very important and informative endnotes (and so I recommend that you read the Hudson Institute article).

"The Shadow of Ryazan: Who Was Behind the Strange Russian Apartment Bombings in September 1999?," David Satter, Hudson Institute, April 19, 2002 http://www.sais-jhu.edu/programs/res/papers/Satter_edited_final.pdf
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats/msg/f4d66f832836cbcb

"The Shadow of Ryazan--Is Putin's government legitimate?," David Satter, National Review, April 30, 2002 http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-satter043002.asp

The below website, Terror-99, deals with the Russian government's involvement in the 9/99 Russian terrorist bombings, and has a huge amount of mainstream major-media news-articles demonstrating that the Russian government was behind the bombings:

http://eng.terror99.ru

For an additional amount of vital evidence not covered in the David Satter article, see the below two articles:

"Bali Halloween," Israel Shamir http://web.archive.org/web/20030212102552/http://www.israelshamir.net/en...

"Fear of Doing the Boss a Disservice," Moscow Times, April 11, 2002, pg. 8 http://eng.terror99.ru/publications/041.htm

David Satter has also written more on this matter in the below book by him:

Darkness at Dawn: The Rise of the Russian Criminal State (Yale University Press, 2003) http://www.amazon.com/dp/0300105916
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0300098928
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300105916
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300098928

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Note:

* "'Gospodin Geksogen' ('Mr. Hexogen')," Dr. Alexandr Nemets and Dr. Thomas Torda, NewsMax.com, July 19, 2002 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/18/213136.shtml

and:

"'Mr. Hexogen' (Continued)," Dr. Alexandr Nemets and Dr. Thomas Torda, NewsMax.com, July 23, 2002 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/22/160751.shtml

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See also the below post by me:

"The Chechnya Syndrome by Garry Kasparov," October 20, 2006 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60&mforum=libertyandtruth

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"Terrorism is the health of the State."--James Redford, author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist," June 1, 2006 http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

False Identity attacks JFK

False Identity attacks

JFK assasination

It may not officially be a a false flag attack per se but false was written all over it.

JFKs enemies had conspired to kill him and did kill him and the assassination was FALSELY blamed on the patsy Oswald.
You might call it a False Assassin attack. The result was the same.

Maybe we need a new word that encompasses both false flag and false assassin attacks. OTherwise we miss the JFK assassination in the discussion. Maybe we just call it False identity attacks. Its not just countries that are blamed but patsies. And the final affect is the same. Something global is drastically affected. A war is started, our liberties are taken away, the War for Profit corporations make a killing, the banksters pull more wool over our eyes etc...

Result of the assasination.

1. the real perps, high level get away with it.
Using their power to hide their crime.

2. the patsy is framed and also convenient killed.

3. Kennedy was planning to get out of Vietnam.
There was now no one to stop Vietnam's escalation.
We had a war with 80,000 US killed and millions of Vietnamese dead.
The War for Profit Inc. made billions while the regular citizen became cannon fodder.
And a beautiful USA turned into the beginnings of unbridled world domination empire.
The US is not the same since this assasination.
It had a HUGE affect.

4. http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm

On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury."

The banksters were not about to let one man get in their way of robbing the American people blindly.
This by the way in my opinion is the root of America's problem.

5. People are ridiculed for suggesting the OBVIOUS that Oswald was a patsy and the real high level perps got a way with it.

Does this MO look familiar ?

JFK was a great great president. Damn the perps.

JFK library, dive in and bring the living suspects to justice!

The JFK case is now very well documented:

All the transcripts including latest declassified reports in 2003 from HSCA 70s executive sessions, phone calls Hoover - LBJ for the Warren comm. coverup are available here:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/contents.htm
http://www.history-matters.com
http://www.maryferrell.org

Treasure audio library with Jim Garrison, col. Prouty, Stone, Mark Lance, and much more:

http://www.prouty.org/audio.html
http://www.blackopradio.com/inc_archives2006.html
http://www.blackopradio.com/inc_archives2007.html

Mark Lane's film

Toten,

Is Mark Lane's documentary online anywhere?

Mark Lane's work - are you talking about "Executive action"?

Sorry for the name typo, I've seen recently something on torrents, however I'd suggest to get the book first, it's much better in depicting the real world figures like Dulles, D.A. Phillips etc. (the movie is not that directly specific perhaps for legal reasons - many were alive at that time), the book appears to be out of print but could be tracked down:

/// From a JFK forum /// :
In all respect I thought that this was a common knowledge that the major characters from the book/film are based on the real world characters? I'd rather call it recreation of the actual events with some small doze of fiction where they didn't have enough proof..

For instance, Philips can be identified very easily by his described looks, his background (school, early career and interests), the same applies for Hunt/Clint Murchison, Dulles, de Mohrenshildt, David Ferrie..

If you are interested I can run you down the list of names and connect it with the characters from the book.. But it's not necessary they have either partly the very same names or very similarly sounding names, besides their careers and geographical placement is also accurate.. Perhaps you have only seen the movie not the book, not sure whether they had to change some names for the movie though. This could be verified from some film database etc..
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Executive Action by Donald Freed & Mark Lane (March 1974) $3.00 Literary inspiration for the film staring Will Geer, Burt Lancaster and Robert Ryan. Dell publishing #2348 [Seventh Printing] Very Fine

or

Freed, Donald and Mark Lane, Executive Action, Assassination of a Head of State, Dell Publishing Co., Inc., 1974, paperback, 250 pages

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! Interesting photo and transcript of article from The Leader Post 1973 about the background of the movie:
http://images.google.cz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkexec...
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btw. if you go to the those linked Blackop Radio archives there have been recently 07/06 several shows with him very interesting! Especially how he nailed down for JFK murder links in the court the recently deceased spook from "Watergate" Hunt, at least he died almost broke haha.

No, "Rush to Judgment"

It has been recently released on VHS, I might have to order myself one.

George Joannides HSCA mole for CIA - RFKs murder BBC

Now, they ran interesting story about the blocked release of CIA documents under FOIA about the bloke George Joannides, who was recently discovered to be planted mole inside the HSCA for CIA. And even more recently identified by BBC on the photos from the LA Ambassador Hotel the very day Bobby has been killed most probably by second gunman, read up also Ted Charach who broke the story and got nominated for his film in the 70s..

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Unredacted_-_Episode_2

Oops, the busheviks are in this up to their eyeballs, in any case we can at least get ready to piss on Poppy's grave in the near future. There is already one organized group which goes to "releave preassure" at the Nixon's site..

Did the CIA kill Bobby

Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?

In 1968, Robert Kennedy seemed likely to follow his brother, John, into the White House. Then, on June 6, he was assassinated - apparently by a lone gunman. But Shane O'Sullivan says he has evidence implicating three CIA agents in the murder
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1952393,00.html

VN

http://www.rjsmith.com/kia_tbl.html

58,202 US deaths in VN ..very close to accurate..
widely used by VN Vets

http://www.vietvet.org/thewall/thewallm.html

HOWEVER The VN Wall in DC has
58,169 names

thousands more VN Veterans died in the yrs following their service from dope ,booze and suicides ..
many today suffer from PTSD , Agent Orange ect...

VN remains the MOST controversial war in US history
and a war that MOST DC pols avoided

of course Bush did go to VN last yr and Clinton went at end of his term

AMAZIN how the DC pols avoided VN..
yet scream for blood in Iraq and Afi

BTW I met JFK as a wee lad in 1958...

I believe the Bush family had alot to do with the Kennedy deaths from JFK to BK to JFK jr
and most likely did MLK also

Great ARTICLE and series

The Historical context sheds so much light on 9/11 and makes the reality so clear that evidence almost become secondary.

The historical similarities with other staged events, and the understanding of an Empire's need for ongoing warfare for "noble" causes supported by its people was the first "splinter" in my mind from the very day of the attacks.

The evidence came along later as I researched, and forced me to accept what I instinctively had suspected all along because of my understanding of history.

Reichstag burning

Re: Secrets of the Reichstag Fire

This is not a good page.

If yous aer interested in the subject, this http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/iran-attacks-usa-we-will-be-tol...
is a must-read.

The page must tell us more about the fire itself! A suspicious reader will easily undo the skin-deep logic presented.

Example:

... and even helped the blaze spread by scattering gasoline and incendiaries....

This is an allegation that needs to be suported right there.

Much much more is nkown about how the fire started. (The use of the hundreds of cardboard name-signs as fire-accelerant for example)

A 1970 study of the "Thermodynamisches Institut der TU Berlin" would have to be mentioned, at the very least.

more facts that could have easily made it into your little page:

- Van der Lubbe was almost blind.
- Airforce General Freiherr von Freyberg-Eisenberg said he set the fire on Goering's orders.

and please leave out the "facts" that destract from the subject at hand.

I could digress, then, too:

Anglo-americans are fascinated by Hitler. If you deconstruct this fascination you'll find that they admire the uniforms, the regalia, the racism, the machismo and the engineering of powerful weapons. Whether Mr Schicklgruber-Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't matter in history, but it does matter to anglo-americans!

Here is a great list of flase flag attacks:
http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/iran-attacks-usa-we-will-be-tol...

False Flag Terrorism 101

http://mail.moment.net/~michael/Terrorism101.htm

A brief, mailable overview of false flag terrorism. Check it out.