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Open Letters to Greg Palast

"It's not a question of belief, it's a question of whether I have any other information... Look, I gotta tell ya Lenny, I'm just sort of stuck with this one. I'm an investigative reporter, if I haven't investigated it, and I report on it, then I'm just giving you my goofball opinion, I'm not an engineer, I'm not a physicist, I had an office in the World Trade Center, but that's all I can tell ya. I can tell you what I've found, which is they couldn't... look... you know, to me it looks like planes hit the building, and my information doesn't comport with the idea that like, a controlled demolition.

We have looked at that, and I'm sorry if people are upset about this, but we spent a long time, very, very seriously looking at that, and... that just didn't happen...

...No sentient human is gonna believe the Bush Administration's stories about the attack on America. Uhm, the question is, alternative theories are very difficult to prove because... you can posit other theories, but that we can't prove either. The problem is the administration... my concern is the administration's lying is such baloney that it allows, it's like a Petrie Dish for all kinds of other stuff to grow up which may or may not hold water, I can't look at all these, but controlled demolition I can rule out.

(more after the jump)

I'm sorry, we just, it just... rules out. But on the other hand-- it also doesn't comport with the information we have about bin Laden attacking, because, you know, they said, "Don't look at bin Laden", well if they're gonna have a controlled demolition, I mean, you... the information we had that was put out by people like "the towers didn't lean over and stuff" is just false, the towers did lean... uh, and it's that simple.

And the... so the information that was given out... I haven't seen any engineer... it takes two years to wire a building for controlled demolition, and that's an awful lot of people. You'd have to snuff a lot of people... it's Occam's Razor, if you're gonna take out a building, and you could do it by... look, let's remember something, the US government hired bin Laden... to kill people in Afghanistan. Why can't they hire bin Laden for something else? I mean, that's another theory, if you're gonna take out the buildings, you're not gonna do it with dynamite. It's just not gonna happen.

And there's zero evidence, I mean there's absolutely stone cold nothing-nothing there. I'm sorry, Lenny, but that's what I gotta tell ya...

...There's no engineer! You can have ballroom dancers, you can have great actors, you can have poets, you can have physicists, there's a guy, Dr. Jones, his last big theory was that Jesus met with the Mayans after the resurrection. He's a complete fruitcake, and a complete, utter fraud. Mr. Jones, come at me.

Uh now, here's where I wanted to-- at a certain point we have to-- what we're doing is we're legitimizing-- we have to be very careful when we talk about 9/11 truth. That what we don't let happen, while their story isn't believable, that we don't come up with such goofball theories that are so easily disprovable, that they discredit questions raised about this administration."

- Greg Palast, INN interview, May, 2007.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=r2oFTiEpIBQ

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OPEN LETTER #1

Dear Greg,

Ever since I stumbled across your investigative reporting shortly after 9/11, I have been a fan. My paperback copy of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" has been a constant companion on my desk since the coup of 2001.

I was doing independent research on the alleged hijackers. As you (should) know, the physical evidence tying the alleged hijackers to the events of 9/11 isn't exactly open source material, unless of course you are Terry McDermott, and then the FBI sends you copies of faxes of re-faxes of manifests that you can stick into the picture section of your establishment-friendly book to add an air of authenticity to the story.

It was your reporting (1) that alerted myself and many others to the fact that the Bush Administration blocked investigations by the FBI into certain Saudi Arabian individuals that had a money trail linking them to funding terrorism. Of course, the fact that Saudi intelligence is many times a middleman for Western intelligence operations is kind of an open secret in the intelligence community. After all, the concept of founding and facilitating the "Arab Foreign Legion" that ultimately became "al Qaeda" didn't exactly spring whole like Athene from the head of Zeus.

Fortunately, we don't have to worry about "investigative reporters" digging this stuff up anymore, in fact, plain-old mainstream papers like The Telegraph in the UK are reporting that "the CIA is giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan." (2) Jundullah, it should be noted, has been linked to "al Qaeda". (3)

Kind of duplicitous, don't you think? Supporting the "War on Terror" also apparently means, to the American taxpayer, that you must also FUND the "War on Terror"... both sides.

It was your reporting that alerted me to the existence of one Michael Springman... you remember Springman, don't you?

"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence...

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets." - Michael Springman, "Has Someone Been Sitting on the FBI?" BBC Newsnight, 2001. (YOU reporting, Greg!)

You do know of course, that 14 alleged hijacker visas were approved in Saudi Arabia, at the US Consulate in Jeddah, right? (4)

Where did Springman work again... oh yeah! Jeddah! (5)

It's almost like, well, like elements within the US government have been helping these guys along the whole time. That certainly is the conclusion of authors like Webster Griffin Tarpley, Michel Chossudovsky, Barrie Zwicker, David Ray Griffin, Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed, and a host of others who haven't haven't been published in book form, but have most of their work posted online.

So, we know that you, Greg Palast, are an investigative reporter with the cojones and keen eye necessary to go deep into the hinterlands of Deep Politics and the Red Herring-laced trails of covert operators around the globe, and bring back the goods!

We know, that Greg Palast knows, that the official story of 9/11 is a crock. The attacks weren't a "Cinderella Story" that "came outta nowhere", and the fingerprints of US intelligence are all over the 9/11 patsies, notably with the ABLE DANGER project, which according to Capt. Tony Shaffer, identified some of the alleged hijackers before 9/11, and which according to the US Senate, did not.

9/11 has been used as a pretext for geopolitical aggression on several fronts, some of the fronts long in the planning, some not so long, but as you know, where there's terrists (sic), there's oil! Just the way it is. Always been that way.

And we know, that you have put your finger on the pulse of the problem, and acknowledged the symptom, but unlike your diagnosis of Election Fraud in this country, Greg, your views on 9/11 are a complete mis-diagnosis.

You have not "spent a long time, very, very seriously looking at" the theories that try to explain the "collapses" of the WTC buildings, because otherwise you would know about the mounting body of information that calls the Bush Administration's version into question, and that there are several engineers that do indeed question the "official story".

In your words, "I'm not an engineer, I'm not a physicist", yet, you "can rule out" controlled demolition, because, "it just... rules out".

You have the nerve to call a Doctor of Physics a fraud, who makes freely available his information and research regarding the "collapse" of the WTC buildings to the public. That's right, he's not out there hawking books that tackle every aspect of this administration of lies except that taboo concept, that says virtually every aspect of the 9/11 myth is pure, unadulterated, BS. (His examination includes physical evidence that supports the notion that something caused metal to become "molten" during the collapse, by the way.) How can you rule out anything? Or was that just your "goofball opinion"?

Anyhow, Jones is willing to "come at you", so are you willing to deal with some information or what? You can't claim that alternative information is not being offered to you. If you refuse to acknowledge the information, you might as well switch off your fabled fax machine, too, because one of these days, something might get faxed to you that doesn't "comport" with your worldview, and then what are you going to do? Cover your ears, close your eyes and yell, "Nah, nah, nah, nah! I can't hear you!" ?

What's it going to be Greg?

"Nah, nah, nah, nah!" or "Gee, I didn't know that."

Regards,

Allan Giles
( A Team Member of www911blogger.com )

P.s. You should watch these online presentations:

"All the World's a Stage" (Zeitgeist Pt. 2)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796&hl=en

"9/11 the Explosive Reality"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5481842742632193840&hl=en

"The 9/11 Solution"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2792830342831749576&hl=en-GB

NOTES

1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
2. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=E3KMWW5VVIXZNQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/05/27/wiran27.xml
3. http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsAug2004/cover1Aug2004.htm
4. http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Monograph.pdf
5. http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/springmaninterview.htm

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OPEN LETTER #2

Dear Mr. Palast,

On May 10, 2007, in an INN TV interview, you made statements which were blatantly defamatory when you called me, by name, a "complete and utter fraud" and a "fruitcake." I demand either a retraction or substantiation of your accusations -- publicly.

A lawyer friend affirms that your statements, available here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=r2oFTiEpIBQ , constitute "malicious defamation."

You taunted: "Mr. Jones, come at me!"

Here I am.

I am ready to respond to your specific objections to my papers, or issues you wish to raise which support the "official story" of the Bush/Cheney administration, after you have first verified that you have actually read what I have written on the subject of controlled demolition at the World Trade Center:

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/Why_Indeed_Did_the_WTC_Buildings_Completely_Collapse_Jones_Thermite_World_Tra...

I will respond then to your statements which support the Bush/Cheney or "official story" for 9/11 events, and I will assure that the exchange will be made public. I propose publication of our exchange in the letters section of the Journalof911Studies.com, but you may choose another venue which is open to the public. Be sure to include your explanation of the iron-aluminum-rich microspheres which I discovered in the WTC dust if your explanation differs from mine, as well as the rapid straight-down collapse of WTC 7.

Again, my lawyer friend describes your public remarks on INN on May 10, 2007, as "malicious defamation" and I think he is correct. Do you? You called me a "complete and utter fraud" and a "fruitcake." I maintain that I am of sound mind and not a fraud. However, I invite you to present your substantiation of these claims -- or retract your egregious defamations.

Sincerely,

Steven E. Jones, Ph.D.

PS -- If you do not respond by July 25, 2007, I will consider other options. Thank you.

Note that there are over one hundred engineers and architects listed in the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth web site, www.ae911truth.org , along with many at the www.stj911.org site, so you may wish to correct your mis-statement of last month that there are "no engineers" who challenge the official story.

wrong side of history Mr. Palast...........

i love it, great job meeting this coward head on. i cant believe i actually helped line this bastards pockets. never again.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I'm with you

Palast is a sellout. But if I want to understand how one of my heroes suddenlt became a trader I need to think what caused this dramatic shift in his investigative intellect. First to mind is that he's suddenly being threatened or blackmailed. Next, and most likely, he's in deep with the coming investigation of Voter Fraud and he is in possession of key evidence proving the Bush administration fixed the vote. Perhaps, Gregg is simply positioniong himself as far away as possible from the controversial issue of 9/11. I personally disagree with backin g down on 9/11 even in the midst of the soon coming heated investigation into Voter Fraud. But to each his own. And on Gregg Palast's own, he's all alone now. He's off my list. I'm not offering an excuse for Palast turning into a sellout, I'm simply trying explain how a man might turn his back on justice.

I think you meant traitor not trader (Freudian slip?)

Greenback, I think you meant traitor in the context of your post but it is probably an appropriate Freudian slip here and I couldn't help but point it out. The voter fraud issue would be a big thing if it can be proven. I am not so sure Palast will get it done. If he is positioning himself he didn't need to do it on the back of the 911 Truth movement and especially did not need to impugn the integrity of Professor Jones. There is simply no excuse, not even blackmail.

This is especially discouraging

as GW the clown was inthroned via the events of 911 and his stolen election 2000 was forgotten.
See the yellow entries in my timeline from August to October 2001.

http://dirk-gerhardt.homepage.t-online.de/Bilder/Timeline3.pdf

i dont think its an

i dont think its an either/or thing for him. he gets away with his reporting on voter fraud because he does it in England(plus its safe in american "leftwing" circles). its good work, but it hardly gets picked up here thus it really doesnt make a difference. more likely he wont touch 9/11 because he knows damn well that he would be branded with the dreaded "conspiracy theorist" label and Amy Goodman and other leftwing darlings wouldnt take him as seriously, he wouldnt get his C-Span spots, liberal magazine ads etc. i understand the tendency to want to believe that hes doing this for the greater good or something but sadly it looks like Greg Palast is just a fucking coward. and when the time comes, i dont really want to hear his excuse. i dont want to hear anyones excuse. silence is betrayal, but this shit? fruitcake? come at me? oh boy, we are NOT gonna forget this one Greg. i hope he reads this thread, everyone should send it to him now.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

nice

but here's my take. this whole thing about him fleeing to Britain to be able to report, come on. He goes to the BBC? Which we now know is full of crap as much as any American media outlet? Sure he reported on a bunch of stuff that he probably knew full well no mainstream outlets would pick up. Why? Well, maybe precisely to gain credibility in left wing circles in order to more effectively deny the truth about 9/11. His history is suspect too--he apparently went to UChicago with a bunch of neocopnservatives and makes a big show of giving us the "inside scoop" about them. But to what end? How has anything he has ever reported made any kind of dent in the schemes of the criminal conspirators? I'm sorry, I just have no need to keep on believing in someone I did in fact once think was legit. Now that he is out as an active denier (good point there Chris, this isn't just disagreeing, it is mockery) I don't think it matters if he is sincere, a liar, or being blackmailed. It just doesn't. Greg Palast, come on down! You're the next contestant on The Price of Betrayal is Eternal Damnation! We will not let the world forget your role in this Mr. Palast. Guess what? You chose.... poorly.

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

NEW---> check out our revamped site!

 

oh no, i agree that the BBC

oh no, i agree that the BBC is just as cowardly as our media here, but my point was that since it was OUR elections he was covering the BBC has no reason to stop him from reporting on it. like you said, it has had no real effect and gives him a certain credibility with lefties in this country. and no, it doesnt matter what his reasons are at this point, Palast has indeed chosen and like everyone else who has chosen wrong he wont hear the end of it. i have to admit though, like you i once thought the guy was legit and just being a coward in not covering 9/11. now i see hes worse than a coward.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

He is a Left Gatekeeper -

He is a Left Gatekeeper - That is his function, either deliberate or incidental. He knows he fills that role and has maneuvered his career to fill a space that should exist: American Journalist abroad who highlights US Government corruption. That is his function.

His behavior over 9/11 Truth is indicative of a controlled gatekeeper, by greed or fear.

Just my 2 cents.

add your voice and send him

add your voice and send him this thread(and/or 9/11 info. though since he seems to be so stuck on himself he would probably be more likely to read a thread about himself than actually look at the evidence):

http://www.gregpalast.com/contact/

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Good idea...here is my letter...

Greg,

I wanted to tell you that I attended your presentation at the First Unitarian Church in Portland, OR several weeks ago, and I enjoyed your brief talk. I am amazed by your inane statements about the events of 9-11-01, and I love that you have challenged Steven Jones in the childish way you did (rather GOP, if you want the truth!!), and that he has accepted and counter-challenged. You will get your ass handed to you, and I wonder if you will further show your GOP colors by attempting to smear the 911Truth movement, rather than admit you were wrong.

Also wanted to tell you that when I arrived at the 1st Unitarian Church a bit late, because I was out on the corner with protest signs (I was there after the event, too, but you didn't even acknowledge??), an interesting thing happened as we tried to find seats in the balcony. A woman strode by heading for the stairs and somewhat under her breath, but loud enough for people to hear, she said, "...way too melodramatic for me!!" I sat down with an open mind though, and I too found your style to be overblown and rife with ego. It definitely affected your delivery of very important, and significant information on the election fraud(s) America has suffered under the Bush Admin.

After hearing your attack on the science of Steven Jones' and other analyses of the events of 911, I am very inclined to dismiss you as a disinformation specialist working for the GOP. I will filter accordingly anything I hear of your "studies" or assessments of crimes of the Bush Administration.

Styve

Palast the Two Bit Act

As much as I've always found Palast interesting and provoking, I always had a problem with him and his 1940's era hat and psuedo tough guy talk - as if he was character from an old movie. I always thought the motif cheapened him but I gave him the benefit of doubt and figured it was his way of setting an identity for himself in a competive market. Thinking about it now, I guess Palast is simply some actor posing as a tough as nails journalist, a two bit act at that

haha, very well put. "The

haha, very well put.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

I agree

It's a bummer that he is avoiding the obvious 9/11 truth.
It could be that he wants to keep his BBC job-- they'd probably fire him if he attempted to cover this....

ELECTION Fraud, N O T "VOTER FRAUD"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Folks, these are some great posts, but it's extremely important that people train themselves to use the proper term: ELECTION FRAUD. The election fraudsters love it when anyone says "voter fraud," because that's what they've been trying to make people believe is happening. VOTER FRAUD is when a voter votes more than once, etc. There have been only a handful of these cases proved nationwide, in spite of massive efforts by the ELECTION FRAUDSTERS (Rove & Co) to frame people for VOTER FRAUD. On the other hand there have been many numerous cases of ELECTION FRAUD, many of them successfully prosecuted, and hopefully many more to be. Election fraud is, famously in Ohio, Florida, etc: Diebold (and other rigged voting machines/systems), intimidation of voters by threatening to prosecute them on frivolous grounds, restricting number of voting booths in Democratic voting precincts, etc. ad infinitum

You are 100% Correct

Sorry about that. Posting too many comments at too many sites opens the way for sloppiness. Again, you are 100% correct

jesus man, im sorry. i think

jesus man, im sorry. i think they knew what i meant. :-)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Nah, I don't think he's a sellout . . .

. . . he's just convinced that the world is flat and that to suggest otherwise is so utterly ridiculous and without merit that no serious examination of the available evidence is required.

But give him some time. He'll learn . . .

GREAT LETTERS!

Ahh, classic left-gatekeeping vs...

the good ol' laws of physics, and empirical physical proof...

Palast, you're done buddy. Hang it up. say hi to Randi Rhodes for me, you're meant for each other.

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Randi has bigger balls than

Randi has bigger balls than Greg. she doesnt go nearly far enough on the 9/11 issue but at least she mentions WTC7 fairly regularly and doesnt outright attack us.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

right

People who are afraid or whatever don't have to join the frikkin disinfo chorus. They can either tread carefully like Randi or just shut up. Anyone who thinks their career or even their life is more important than doing the right thing about the 9/11 crimes needs to take a remedial course in morality.

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WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force

NEW---> check out our revamped site!

 

Love the "remedial course in morality" line!!

Reminds me of other funnies...
...like some GOP candidate saying he would send Bush on the talk circuit to lecture America's youth on honesty and integrity,
...or the one where DeLay was going to be in charge of some ethics program?!?!

I agree with you that it is totally irresponsible to defend the Bushit re 911, but I believe that the constant barrage of factual information showing the rampant mendacity of the Bush Admin., will soften people to the notion that 911 was self-inflicted terrorism. They are so arrogant that they don't acknowledge that repeatedly using false flag events to precipitate the Neocon agenda will eventually make the BushCo signature easily recognizeable.

Gatekeepers

In many ways the 9/11 position of the foundation-funded pseudo-left is more sinister than the right.

Nothing wrong with Randi

She is actually one of the very few that are in the "almost mainstream media" that talk about 9/11 truth.
She makes it pretty clear that she thinks this administration is guilty.

As for Palast I have to believe he has been threatened or maybe believes he will be if he tells the truth, if not then he is clearly a "complete and utter fraud" and a "fruitcake."

I'm not too thrilled with

I'm not too thrilled with the term of 'left gate-keeping' and I am not criticizing your post here...it's just that I see intellectual snobbery more than anything else. Gate-keeping implies that they are somehow blocking the truth from emerging when in fact they won't even entertain any other interpretation other than the official narrative it seems. Any alternative is dismissed a priori as DRG likes to say. They put themselves on such intellectual pedestals that they cannot even be bothered to do any real investigative work. Put bluntly, these people, Goodman, Palast and the like, are snobs and prisoners of their own belief systems.

Dr. Jones...

Thank you for responding to Greg Palast and posting it for us!

I agree.

But I sure as hell wouldn't like to have Greg Palast searching my dirty laundry. Even if you are a saint, he will find something. As for 911, we can feel safe. Because he won't look into it. Because he knows very well that he has nothing to gain in that department.

it makes one wonder....

whats in GP's dirty laundry.

I love it too.

I can't quite understand Palast making his original comments in the INN interview. I mean, for someone who has been a guest the Alex Jones' Radio Show many times and has been swarming around 9/11 truth for ages, he really made some terrible blunders. Steven Jones barely had to try.....

I am hoping they do have a public discussion because I think it might help many of us see who Palast really is....

Allan, your letter was great too!

http://myspace.com/garethwilliamsmusic

i understand it, and he

i understand it, and he better get used to it. being the type of "investigative reporter" that he is, im sure hes been flooded with truther e-mails from the start. you can see the same frustration from the likes of Cockburn,Chomsky,The Nation and other left gatekeepers. eventually they get sick of it, so they lash out like little children while ignoring the facts and saying things like "fruitcake". it really is pathetic. its one thing to be a coward and not face the facts but when you lash out like this you are going to pay a certain price. lets make him pay it, he should never hear the end of it.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Two Gatekeepers on the Radio?

"for someone who has been a guest the Alex Jones' Radio Show many times "

Go ahead and vote me down, but here goes. It is not surprising that Greg Palast and Alex Jones share a comfort zone. Both are gatekeepers of a story much bigger and more serious than 9/11. I know that most 9/11 bloggers either haven't studied peak oil or are in denial, but it is a geological fact. In fact, delaying the collapse of Anglo-American-Israeli civilization due to energy shortages was one of the several motivations for 9/11 and the "War on Terror".

If political corruption was the only problem, then regime change could sort out that problem. But there will be no negotiations with geology. Oil production will be down about 30% by 2017 according to Ali Samsam Bakhtiari, former Iranian oil minister, a guy in the know. Many independent geologists agree and make similar predictions: http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2656034.ece

And yes, the PTB would rather have us thinking about only 9/11 (now 6 years in the past) or election frauds from 7 and 3 years ago than looking forward. If we looked forward we might stop buying SUVs, and going into debt. We might begin downsizing our lives, start getting to know our neighbors, and planting fruit trees and vegetable gardens instead of going to the mall. That would be bad for business.

So Greg Palast is clearly a shill for the PTB - albeit perhaps the neoliberal George Soros wing of the NWO. And Greg Palast is a Peak Oil denier. Makes you wonder about fellow peak oil deniers like Mike Rivero and Alex Jones. Who are they really working for?

Peak oil, global warming are as false as the left-right paradigm

Of course these things are up for debate, though the results of such arguments are still moot, dispite who wins - hence the term " false argument", that instills the "false paradigm". I believe that energy is free because the evidence is there and suppressed (much like 911 truth) inventers have been threatened, bought out, blackmailed, and perhaps in some cases murdered (much like 911 truth).

Eliminate polluting energies and "man-made" global warming no longer exists even if the earth is still heating up. And no matter how much oil is still in the ground, it is far less needed, so eliminatiing any "idea" of peak oil.

google video: " free energy" and take your pick. One guy is burning salt water as a fuel.

I love how people think big oil is behind...

the resistance to the "man made global warming" myth. The big oil companies are gonna make a bank off charging an arm & a leg for refining oil so to cut down on C02 emissions. Not to mention the car companies. Sounds a little too close to the methods Warburg & Rothschild used to garner support for a central bank.

do not conflate

the issues of peak oil vs the arguments about global warming.

Brilliant

Very well written. Great job.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Show "Rational Activism" by Anonymous
Show "Agnostic on controlled demolition" by Anonymous

http://www.sharpprintinginc.c

What's the deal with voting down a post like this?

Personally I think the evidence for CD is quite strong, but can't we tolerate a little difference of opinion once in a while?

.

It strikes me that Anonymous writes cogently.

he does, and if he wasnt

he does, and if he wasnt Anonymous im willing to bet that people would be less inclined to vote him down.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Thanks to those who support me having an opinion

I'm not really Anonymous, that's just the username I chose.

I think voting the post down is another problem with the 9/11 truth movement. I understand people don't agree with it, but voting it down removes it from view so it's more than mere disagreement. Again, I think controlled demolition is possible, I support Dr. Jones' work but I'm not ready to draw any conclusions yet. In the meantime, I'm going to focus on real issues I know are valid and I believe that will yield the most results.

It strikes me that's one

It strikes me that's one helluva cigarette burn in that column.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/Photo%20archives/bomb%20marks/AZ-TF-...

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

I'm agnostic about CD theory too

I'm agnostic about CD theory too, people voting down the guy's post really reflects the growing intolerance w/in the Movement.

I didn't know this was the "controlled demolition movement"

You pounced on Anonymous with numerous negative votes for stating his opinion.

Like it or not there is a difference between what is likely, and what is proven 100%.

I'm inclined to agree with Steven Jones about the towers. He could be wrong. He'll tell you he could be wrong. That is the scientific method.

This childish and irrational fanatacism is an ugly side of this "truth" movement. The actual truth is not concerned with the current popularity of the idea in these circles.

This post will be voted down ... by children stomping their feet, or clicking their mice...

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

It is 100% proven

That those towers came down by means other than structural damage and fire. It is 99% proven that... No, come to think of it, when you add Building 7 into the equation, there can be no doubt that it was controlled demo. The physical and video evidence available should be enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the towers were brought down with explosives. Now proving who did it... That's another story. Obviously there are some good leads on that too.
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"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Show "I agree that WTC7 should be" by Anonymous

CDI also buried the rubble

CDI also buried the rubble from the crime scene of the Murrah Federal Building for what thats worth. do you think there is anything wrong with the official story of OKC? CDI is corrupt to the core.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Yeah, I read NIST's report on Building 7...

And it is nonsense.

You don't have to have been there that day to know what happened to the buildings. We have thousands of different sources of video that provide plenty of measurable data about the collapses. Anyone with a 9th grade understanding of physics (or who is willing to spend a couple weekends learning the basic concepts like conservation of energy / momentum) can see that the official explanation is impossible. And no, you don't have to be a structural engineer to understand this event. Structural engineering is underpinned by basic Newtonian physics. In other words, there is no concept in structural engineering that "over-rides" the basic laws of physics.

Once one decides to actually look at the "collapses" objectively and make observations, one can see that the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers is just as obvious as Building 7. The height, dimentions, and massive cores of the buildings necessitated an explosion rather than an implosion.

I really don't want to go through the whole proof of CD again here. I can't do your research for you. If science is not your strung suit, have someone help you understand, or just do a bit of background study. It doesn't take quantum mechanics to solve this riddle.

Oh, and if you're wondering why nobody has come forward... Many have. Check out Kevin Ryan for starters. They just can't get on TV much. Did you just recently get involved in questioning 9/11? I've got more bad news for you. All the "mainstream media" in the U.S. (TV, print, radio, much of the internet) is controlled propaganda. Keep doing more research and you'll understand.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7465849608574246153&q=a+new+stan...
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

your tone

your tone is similar to that of a religious zealot.

A down vote means simply that the voter does not agree

So there's no reason to to feel that the poster is being attacked. It simply means that you've been disagreed with. What is the problem with being disagreed with? Also, one is free to post a counter to the disagreement, etc.

"Everyone knows they lied."

Isn't all that matters, because the line has been since 9/11 that if they lied, they lied to cover up incompetence or negligence.

Demolition of WTC 1,2, and 7 irrefutably takes away that defense of the official story.

Also, we need to have another investigation not on the government's terms, when element's of the government are prime suspects.

disagree

the government can conduct a proper investigation so long as the people are informed about who is suspect. Pretty much any AIPAC sycophant should be barred from serving in the USG, for example. Look at the 9/11 court cases all going to one judge in New York, Zionist Alvin Hellerstein. If you ask me, no Zionist should be allowed to be in any important decision making capacity in any investigation or trial involving 9/11. And no Bush family friend or ally, and no neoconservatives. That leaves PLENTY of people in government who may not be saints but who could do this job right as long as the corrupt media are not allowed to lie and distort the issue in the minds of the people. Once we get our press back, then we can get our gov back, and then we can get justice. In that order, I'm afraid.

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i couldnt agree more. unless

i couldnt agree more. unless and until we take back the media nothing will change.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

This IS the new media, right

This IS the new media, right here.
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JFK on secrecy and the press

He really put his foot in his mouth on this one

This is great

I'm super happy about this. I didn't think Prof. Jones would respond to Palast's remarks but he proved me wrong. I wonder what Mr. Palast will have up his nefarious sleave this time. I wonder if he'll even reply by the alotted time (July 25th).
Palast really dug himself a hole this time, didn't he. He should have just kept his gatekeeping mouth shut.

Democracy Now

...and the debate or face off or whatever you like to call it must be aired on Democracy Now, same as the Hitchens/Galloway, Finkelstein/Dershowitz debates....

Nice, and the next step is a debate

Thank you Prof. Jones for standing strong and forcing the gatekeepers to come up with the science to back up their weak attacks. Instead of a Government vs. Truther scientific debate (that never happened) how about we start to put together a Gatekeeper vs. Truther scientific debate? Tell the gatekeepers to bring their best scientists, (like the guy that did the articles in Cockburn's CounterPunch) and go up against representatives of Scholars for Truth and Justice and Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth. They complain we annoy and badger them so much, they should relish the chance to clear everything up publicly.

News editor at The Watchman Report, www.watchmanreport.com, delivering 9/11 truth to the Christian community

Bravo!

My first post anywhere on this site, but I just want to say that these are two outstanding letters. The gloves are off now, and I'm hoping this episode will actually reveal who the real frauds are on the left. Palast reads like GWB throughout the transcipt! It's as if he knows he doesn't know what he's talking about! He's just so completely incoherent I can't believe it's the same guy that wrote "Armed Madhouse".

Very sad to think I used to hold him in high esteem.

Professor Jones, you've done a lot and deserve so much more from your compatriots and your country. Mr. Palast went well beyond the line and was, IMHO, malicious and libelous. May he get what he deserves. The least you deserve, sir, is an apology and an opportunity to answer this man in public. I wish you the best.

Oustanding! Great letter

Oustanding! Great letter Rep.

I was really hoping the Palast espisode wouldn't sink down the memory hole. Even emailed Mr. Gage about it. It's a perfect opportunity to tear down the left gate. Bravo to Dr. Jones for taking a strong stand. Let's see Palast try and weasel his way out of this one. It will take all of his rhetorical skills, but he'll still fall flat on his face. My prediction is that he will remain silent unless these letters are spread throughout the liberal blogosphere. So, what are we waiting for?

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Great Letter Dr.Jones

That was a great letter Dr. Jones.

It was strong, firm, confident, truthful and powerful, and yet not malicious.

Of course facing off against Mr. Palast would be a ludicrous mis-match as he obviously knows nothing at all about simple high-school level physics, let alone the advanced level at which you are an expert.

He probably does know more about manipulation of the gullible and uneducated than you do, but your even-tempered manner, unquestioned command of the subject matter, and ability to explain things to people at all levels will prevail.

You are a great educator. Thank you.

Nature Abhors Arrogance

The clock is ticking.

Did anyone else catch...

Palast offer his own 'conspiracy theory'? Something to the effect of the government hiring bin Laden to do 911. What a blatant fraud this guy is, trying to have his cake & eat it too.

A perfect example of what we're up against.

If it is not the bush-can-do-no-evil goosesteppers on the right, it is the fruitcake gatekeepers on the left. I guess that leaves us Truthers in the middle, between a rock and a hard place.

Hopefully, when our descendants look back and wonder why five years(so far) after the biggest crime in American history, NOT ONE SINGLE PERPETRATOR HAS BEEN BEEN BROUGHT TO JUSTICE, they will see also those walls that we had to break down, in order to get to truth and justice.

As far as perpeTRAITORs go, maybe we should start with this "Master Thespian" (my favorite character from 1980s Satuday Night LIve):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5z49b4fZSY

Acting!!!!

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

Perfect tone, Dr. Jones.

Perfect tone, Dr. Jones. Whether or not he meant to, this blustering, stammering, self-incriminating fool has left the gate ajar by publicly insulting and challenging Jones. Either he has done no homework and is bluffing, or he is deliberately provoking an airing of the evidence for the "establishment Left". Either way, it is a no-lose situation and an invitation that must be accepted.

“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

Greg Palast.

Greg addressed the camera like Hulk Hogan or Randy Savage from WWF (World Wrestling Federation) calling on Dr. Stephen E. Jones to a bout of wrestling. Having enjoyed "Best Democracy" and "Armed Madhouse" and having heard Greg on "Democracy Now" and on "the Meria Heller Show", I had held him in some respect. Now I am waiting with anticipation to see how he can withstand the solid argument put forward by Dr. Steven E. Jones. I listened to Dr. Jones in Chicago, Los Angeles and Chandler Arizona at 9/11 truth conferences and I am looking forward to the dust flying as Steven "The Giant" Jones wipes the floor with Greg "Macho-Man" Palast.
John Duddy.

Palast's Balast

Palast's comments about Dr. Jones are trully appalling and unwarranted. I guess he just can't stand sharing the spotlight with anyone; afraid his stories will be eclipsed by something much bigger. You can send a comment directly to Mr. Palast at his website at www.gregpalast.com.

Palast

Palast's comments about Jones were outrageous. Unfortunately 9/11 is not the first MAJOR issue Mr. Palast has gotten wrong. He's also pooh-poohed Peak Oil, as though that were a tissue of illusions invented by a bunch of nitwits...But people like Richard Heinberg and Julian Darley and the many other scientists and professors who have analyzed the grave issue of Peak Oil are not nitwits. Palast is starting to seem like another Alexander Cockburn, who has disgraced himself utterly by his vicious and utterly inane attacks on the 9/11 Truth Movement, global warming (yep, Cockburn sides with the energy conglomerates on this one), and denial of the stolen election of 2004. At least Palast got the last one right, but to fail to grasp 9/11 and Peak Oil is to fail to grasp some fundamental drivers of our current historical moment. I'll certainly never buy his books, although I might have before. I hope Professor Jones pursues a libel or slander case if Palast chooses the coward's way, as so many leftist gatekeepers are doing vis a vis 9/11.

Of Sound Mind

One day this scenario will progress to the Bill O'Really stage. We should be armed with our intelligence, and facts, representing the "current" government administration's ongoing total involvement of 9/11/01.
W's defense is crumbling, like a cheaply made chocolate chip cookie, minus some prime ingredient, namely..., the truth.
Any one of us should be ready to answer their questions with forthrightness, and honesty. Simply because we have learned the truth, after all of these years.
The entire super-secret scenario involving the armed forces conducting secret excercises....., oh I can't talk about it because they'll put me in federal prison for life, Man!

It's all silent on the

It's all silent on the Prison Planet front in regards to this. I often wondered why Alex Jones doesn't challenge Palast on this issue especially considering that he is a regular on Alex's show.

A Regular? You have to be kidding.

I have been listening to AJ for about two years now, every day, I have heard Palast on there maybe 2 or 3 times. He's not a regular on AJ's show. A lot of people have their opinions of AJ and they are entitled. I havent said much to defend him from the misguided, but to say Palast is a regular on his show is a load of bs.

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Ah no. Perhaps a common

Ah no. Perhaps a common contributor or a guest that can be counted on etc. Palast is good for a stop at AJ's for one of his books or documentaries. He was on for Peak Oil and getting busted in N.O. He's peddled his book there as well. There's no denying that he's in the stable of one of the show's guest list. I'd say that AJ should say something on the subject or at least confront Greg the next time he is on his show. He has been on enough times to warrant that. And he is a valuable asset in breaking through to the so-called gatekeeper left.

Famous Last Words

"Come at me" another taunting and empty phrase that will go down in History,
right beside the memorable "Bring 'em on"
and the ever popular "Mission Accomplished"

Show "Has anyone READ the Book of" by Peter

All religion is based on astrology, including The Greatest

Story Ever Told. Don't believe it? Neither did I, until I saw this film:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8251447278663885234

WARNING: IF YOU ARE RELIGIOUS, WATCHING THIS FILM IS EQUIVALENT TO TAKING THE RED PILL.
I am being completely serious and am giving you fair warining. For what it's worth though, this film does not dispute the idea that a human being called Jesus of Nazareth did exist.

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace

Palast

I went to a book signing for "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" after the stolen 2000 election. I watched him speak and waited in line afterwords to get my book signed. He signed my book and I walked away thinking, I didn't like that guy.

His book

"Best Democracy"...I believe it's on page 319 where he states that "there's no evidence" the Bush administration planned or even knew in advance of the 9/11 attack.
This guy hasn't changed his tune on 9/11 since 2002, when the book was written. There's something about him I simply don't trust. On a positive note, as least he fully 'outed' himself, leaving no remaining question or doubt behind as to his true motive as gatekeeping thug bastard wolf in sheep's clothing.

And he's a terrible writer.

And he's a terrible writer. His cutesy flatfoot prose is enough to make one puke.

Great to see Dr Jones respond to this

Can't wait to see how it turns out. Hope they will have a debate of some sorts. If Palast refuses this it makes him look really silly with the "come at me" remark.

"Mr. Jones, come at me."

That's Dr. Jones to you, putz.

Palast is just another in a long, long, line of self-promoting charlatans. He's trying to make a buck and ride the quasi-truth gravy train as long as he can.

The real truth is not conducive to that at all.

You're done here, Palast. Move on to the next scam.

Great letter Doctor Jones.

Great letter Doctor Jones. I've waited for this since I posted this news story here back in May.
It's time for Palast to reply. Can you post the letters in 911blogger too, not just journalof911studies?

Shigawire

"To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen."
-The Amtal Rule, DUNE

Greg, how did CNN know that WTC-7 was going to collapse

long before it did on 9/11? Were they accidentally reading ahead on the script that was provided to them by the government?

And his own workplace too

The BBC also reported this, while the building could be seen in the background. And they could already tell the reason for its collapse. One of the strongest evidences, together with the "Harley Guys" of how the official myth was planted in the public mind from the beginning.

"I will consider other options"

Fuck yeah. Sue Palast's pathetic shill ass.

When Palast says he can rule out controlled demolition, ask him how many of the witnesses AS SEEN ON TV who saw explosions he actually interviewed.

Answer: Zero.

Nail this pussbrain. At every opportunity.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

What a sellout

Dear Mr. Palast,

What a disappointment.I don't know how guys like you and Bill O'Reilly sleep at night.

Dear Prof. Jones,

Keep up the good work.

Here's my letter

I've been a follower of yours for quite some time, having listened to your interviews on Democracy Now! and Alex Jones' radio show. I've been entertaining the idea of buying your latest book too.
Until I read what you wrote about Dr. Steven Jones. What a disrespectable way of referring to someone!
I hope you do your homework and read his work at http://journalof911studies.com and come back to him. He deserves better.

The ball's on your court. Let's see how you handle this situation.
As for your book... I'm not buying a book from somebody that cheaply offends a scientist like Dr. Jones. Your loss.

Respectfully,
-saned

just reminding everyone to

just reminding everyone to send this thread to Palast if you havent already. hes got an ego the size of Texas so tell him its all about him when you drop the link,haha:

http://www.gregpalast.com/contact/

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Show "double standard? Reynolds vs Palast" by Constitutionalist

Excellent.

Thanks for following up on this, Reprehensor. And thanks for taking a strong stance, Dr. Jones. This is exactly the type of thing we need to see happening. Palast just lifted up the skirt of the left-gate, BIGTIME. Time for some penetration in a very uncomfortable place. ("Like in the back of a Volkswagon Bug?") Seriously though, all distasteful sexual metaphors aside, this is a crack in the wall. All we need to do is drive a wedge into it, hammer a bit, wiggle a bit, and eventually the bricks will begin to crumble.

I also sent a message to ae911truth when the original thread on this was posted. Hopefully Dr. Jones can get them involved in destroying Palast too. "There are no engineers..."
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

The hazards of mixed metaphors

Personally, I prefer sex without hammers, wedges, and bricks.

But perhaps I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it.

LOL!!

I worked in construction for a while. It's wild. X-)
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

That sounded gay...

HA HA HA!!!
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Kick his f-in ass Prof Jones!

show that little punk what's what >:D

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Error in the video - All the World's a Stage" (Zeitgeist Pt. 2)

I noticed a factual error in the film segment named below.
All the World's a Stage" (Zeitgeist Pt. 2)

In the part about Shanksville they labeled it Flight 77 not United Flight 93.
It is my belief that AA Flight 77 that allegedly it the Pentagon was not even scheduled for that day.

There was also a news report that quoted the Mayor of Cleveland as saying that United 93 had made a safe emergency landing in the Cleveland airport and all the passengers were safely deplaned. Also that there were some strange events at the Cleveland airport on 9/11.