Opinions needed on T-shirt design.
T-Bone Fri, 09/29/2006 - 8:06pm
Hello everyone. As some of you know, my pastor responded to my letter to him where he stated, "As far as what you should personally do about your concerns, for that I currently have no answer except to say that affecting those around us right now in our sphere of influence is my and I believe God's main concern.." Bruce1337 interpreted this comment this way:
" I believe the Pastor is saying God wants you to go spread some truth! There we have it: GOD IS A TRUTHER!!!"
I agree, so I decided to "affect those around me" and have a t-shirt made that I could wear to church. This is what I came up with and I would like some feedback and opinions. Note the hidden cross. I am so creative!
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not too shabby!
i wonder if you might find a better quote in Griffin's new book directed at Christians?
Good Idea!
I'll have to get back to work!
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.
Hey T-Bone... Nice Idea, but...
As someone who has been in the imprinted t-shirt shirt biz for over 15 years, here' my two cents: don't write a book on a shirt. Shirt designs/text are like billboards: you need short, powerful statements to communicate to the most people. Very few will stop and read your shirt... unless they're standing in line behind you at the DMV or something.
I suggest you find one or two of your most powerful points and print them... idealy, along with a bold illustration of some sort to catch the eye (or make your text in a eye-catching font).
Whatever the case, best of success.
Thanks for the advice, but...
I understand what you are saying about writing a book, but I did that intentionally. The reason is because I plan to mainly wear this at church and I wanted people to see it during the time we stand up and sing praise songs. I am faily tall and I sit near the front so I am sure many will see it. Then again, people may not stand there and read the whole thing as we are singing........Hmmmmmm..I need to rethink this.
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.
That image just cracks me up
in a good way -- that's better by far than being in front of someone in line at the DMV. Captive audience in a big way!
I'm trying to track down a link to that MLK speech for you, btw.
I like it, T-Bone. Almost
I like it, T-Bone. Almost makes me wish I went to church. :)
One small correction: "Bush's demeanor" (missing apostrophe)
You could also put a small note in parentheses under the top line. "(feel free to take notes)" or something. You might find that you have regulars sitting behind you.
Spell check.
I think I need a spell check too. By the way, thanks for making the pictures show up. I'll need to learn how to do that.
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.
if you edit your post (make
if you edit your post (make sure you have 'rich text mode' turned off) you can see how i did it.. it is just an html img tag pointing to the files you uploaded..
learn some basic html and you'll figure it out ;) just search for 'basic html guide' or something like that.
why no mention of the
why no mention of the pentagon?
911 gatekeeping middlemen profiteering
Gatekeeper??? Profiteering???
There was only so much room. Maybe I could use a smaller font. I'm not gonna sell the t-shirt. I'm making it for me. Geez.
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.
i like your new shirt! don't
i like your new shirt!
don't put it in the dryer though.
Tee Shirt Design
T-Bone,
I agree with Alex about the need for simplicity on the Tee-Shirt.
And I would have to say that unless you are a member of a hyper-progressive Unitarian Church that you will probably find that wearing such a tee-shirt in church will be regarded by many of the congregation as being disrepectful and inappropriate.
In church situations, I've taken two courses. One is to try to provide written material to the pastor so that he can review and comment before approaching the congregation within the confines of the church, which many people regard as their sanctuary from the travails of the real world. My other approach which has met with some success is a campaign of leafleting automobile windshields while the congregation is in attendance at the church. Again, there will be the occasional tongue-lashing from the right-wingers, but that is of no consequence to me.
My point is that in my opinion a church isn't really the place to wear a possibly incendiary type of tee-shirt. Church setting call for more discretion, and if you approach the pastor, deacons and other parishioners in a calm, dispassionate way with perhaps a handout like the 11 Remarkable Facts about September 11, any of our DVDs, the particularly well-done 9/11: Press For Truth, or perhaps a book for the opinion leaders in the church, you're far more likely to be persuasive. And don't forget the Deception Dollars. Those are a great thing to use to leaflet car windshields. Very eye-catching.
Finally, I might suggest that if you do want to wear a tee-shirt that rather than spending a fortune in time and effort on a one-of-a-kind, that you might consider buying one of the 1,000+ tee-shirts that the "Loose Change" crew wore (and gave away) on September 11th in NYC.
Another thought, if you are a member of a very progressive church is to approach the pastor about making a presentation on 9/11. One of my very good friends here in town is a member of the local Unitarian Church. He was permitted by his pastor to make a well-received one hour presentation to the congregation on 9/11 Truth based upon his "short course". How well you are received really does depend on what sort of a congregation you are part of. Many are very receptive to our message. Unfortunately, more congregations are not open to our brand of truth, preferring the somehow comforting yet terrifying lies of George Bush to the naked reality that we see.
JMHO, Ray
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Hey Ray,
Friendly FYI:
T-Bone has been working on his pastor for a while now and posting about it, most recently in blogs here. It's quite an interesting story. The upshot is: his pastor seems to acknowledge there's something fishy about 9/11, but that "the whole WTC incident is not part of Jesus' plan for this church at this time." So T-Bone is moving on to plan B. I would imagine he is quite aware of what is going to fly with his congregation, and what is going to get him run out of town on a rail, so to speak.
IMO, it is not clear to me whether a very progressive congregation is necessarily going to be more receptive to this message than certain of the more conservative ones. My mother is the senior pastor of a very liberal church, and although I've been "indoctrinating" her for a while now, she still panicked when I suggested that I could offer a screening of 9/11 Press for Truth after the service one Sunday. This is very interesting to me -- could my own mother be one of the dreaded LEFT GATEKEEPERS? Oh, the horror. It's just a testament to the fact that 9/11 Truth is the equivalent of a modern heresy for many people.
I'm going to check out that short course, though. Hope springs eternal.
Friendly Response to your Friendly FYI
casseia,
Nice to make your acquaintance. :)
You said: "My mother is the senior pastor of a very liberal church, and although I've been "indoctrinating" her for a while now, she still panicked when I suggested that I could offer a screening of 9/11 Press for Truth"
I find that very informative about the world we live in. Locally, I have approached the district attorney, a couple of city councillors, a high ranking officer at my local police department and a few clergy with my concerns that the official story about 9/11 can't possibly be true. The nearly universal response has been for these people to 1) change the subject as fast as they can, 2) label me a conspiracy nut, 3) simply disregard what I have to say by declaring, in so many words, that what happens on the national scale of politics is "above their pay grade".
I've been quite astonished by their incuriousity, their lack of any sense of civic duty to defend the country against "enemies.... domestic", and their willingness to pidgeon-hole me as a mere oddball "conspiracy theorist", in spite of the fact that I have offered absolutely no theories to them about what happened on 9/11. The mere questioning of the official story seems to be enough to get these timid people into a tense tizzy.
So, tell your mother she's in good company. There's millions like her in America. The propensity of our so-called mid-level "leaders" for subservient ostrich-like head-burial has been a real eye-opener for me. With the middle levels of church and civic leadership so afraid of their own shadow, it is easier for me to comprehend how America seems to be rapidly debasing itself and transmuting the Republic into a monstrously evil Empire. All it takes is the strong will of criminals like Dick Cheney and George Bush to overthrow 220 years of reason. And all because people like your mother, my district attorney and their ilk refuse to accept their responsibilities as laid out by our Founding Fathers. Democracy is dying in America. It is being replaced by an "Idiocracy", that seemingly is sprouting fully developed in front of our eyes today, and not 500 years hence, as the movie proposes.
Thank you for responding with the advice.
I have thought about this a lot lately. I realize that I may be entering the lions den, so to speak, at my church. Am I being disrespectful? Hmmmm. If I am speaking the truth, I don't see anything wrong with that. The thing is, I do not like to draw attention to myself. I consider myself a pretty conservitive guy, but in these times we are living in, I don't see how I can NOT do something drastic like this.
I used to be a musician in the praise band at this church years ago. I was a very visible person and people loved me. They still do. Every time I go visit the church the people beg me to join the praise band again and they remind me what a blessing it was to hear me play. I do not feel afraid doing this in front of these people. The fact that I am well known and somewhat respected in this church makes me think it will have more of an effect. It will at least make them think.
This whole expierience I have had the past 6 months has been mind boggling. The fact that my pastor had known all along about 9/11, but he left me hanging on a thread for 6 months. He was silent. I was thinking, "What the heck is going on with him? Why has he been silent?" Yes, my story is an interesting one. It's like the Twilight Zone. I have a feeling interesting times lie ahead.
God Bless.
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.
Thank you for responding with the advice.
I have thought about this a lot lately. I realize that I may be entering the lions den, so to speak, at my church. Am I being disrespectful? Hmmmm. If I am speaking the truth, I don't see anything wrong with that. The thing is, I do not like to draw attention to myself. I consider myself a pretty conservative guy, but in these times we are living in, I don't see how I can NOT do something drastic like this. If you haven't followed my story, here is a blog summerizing it, http://www.911blogger.com/node/3265#comment-75787
I used to be a musician in the praise band at this church years ago. I was a very visible person and people loved me. They still do. Every time I go visit the church the people beg me to join the praise band again and they remind me what a blessing it was to hear me play. I do not feel afraid doing this in front of these people. The fact that I am well known and somewhat respected in this church makes me think it will have more of an effect. It will at least make them think.
This whole experience I have had the past 6 months has been mind boggling. The fact that my pastor had known all along about 9/11, but he left me hanging on a thread for 6 months. He was silent. I was thinking, "What the heck is going on with him? Why has he been silent?" Yes, my story is an interesting one. It's like the Twilight Zone. I have a feeling interesting times lie ahead.
God Bless.
-----From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious...very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me.......You were right. I know about 9/11 now.