Burning Questions

Starts off like a hit piece, but ultimately ends by telling people to think for themselves and to question government. Thanks to Chris for sending this in...

Conspiracy videos like Loose Change have been recieving a lot of attention on the internet and other media - is it freedom of speech or harmful propaganda

In America we have become accustomed to a life of privilege. Liberties that we consider to be the intrinsic rights of every human are not seen as such in other nations. Here we have the privilege to basically speak, write, believe or do whatever we wish.

This is what makes our country so beautiful.

However, these freedoms can easily shrivel and decay if they are neglected or taken for granted. These rights, outlined in our constitution, become nothing more than words on paper if they are not acted upon, utilized and appreciated.

With great freedom comes great responsibility.

Our favorable, yet challenging, societal foundation is due in large part to the fact that we have a government "for the people and by the people." In theory, the system seems ideal, but that doesn't mean that it isn't flawed. Though corruption comes in many forms, there is often only one way to fight it - from within.

This is where we, as responsible, informed and active members of our democracy must come into play as the true power and force within this country. It is our job; it is our duty to make sure that the United States and its elected leaders are simply doing the right thing. It is up to us to question, to think for ourselves and to speak out.

There are countless ways to become active citizens, but when it involves questioning the government conspiracy theories seem to get the most attention. And these can be both beneficial and damaging. On one side, conspiracy theories can serve as the finest example of our freedoms in action. On the other, they can merely distort the facts and take advantage of an undereducated populace.

Either way, with the arrival of the internet age, it has become a whole lot easier to find these controversial viewpoints. In recent years, the most popular conspiracy theories revolve around the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

There are dozens of websites, books and videos all claiming that the "official" story of what happened that fateful day is not the whole story. They range from the obviously absurd to the seemingly possible. Some claim that our own government plotted the attacks or allowed them to take place, while others focus on the questionable post-9/11 policies and actions taken by the government. All of them point to motives surrounding money and power. But it is the fact that these theories exist, and are allowed to exist, that is important. This is not about patriotism or loyalty or allegiance; or even lack thereof. This is about the freedom to ask the tough questions and the freedom to further question the given answers. Again, this is what makes America so special.

Professor Kenneth L. Kusmer is a respected author and longtime member of the History Department at Temple University. Recently, he gave PLAY his take on the effect of conspiracy theories in this country since 9/11.

"Many people denigrate the idea that shadowy conspiracies are behind unforeseen, violent events such as assassinations and the attack on the World Trade Center in 2001," he says. "However, we should remember that real conspiracies do occur in history sometimes. Watergate was a criminal conspiracy that sent a dozen men to jail and forced a president, Richard Nixon, to resign. The Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s was a conspiracy to circumvent laws passed by Congress."

Kusmer stops short of validating any extreme 9/11 theories but does acknowledge the fact that our government has used the tragedy as a pretext for other actions.

"While it is unlikely that anyone in the U.S. government encouraged, or consciously allowed, the [September 11th] attacks, it is still an open question whether people in the George W. Bush administration conspired to misrepresent the causes of that tragedy in order to justify the invasion of Iraq."

Kusmer advocates a level headed, researched approach to dealing with such complicated and sensitive issues such as 9/11. So too does Jason Bermas. He, along with writer/director Dylan Avery and producer Korey Rowe, is behind Louder Than Words Productions, the company responsible for the film Loose Change. Bermas and Louder Than Words have been asking questions and searching for answers for years now.

"I realize that these questions are very uncomfortable and I don't think we have every single answer," he says, "but it will only get worse if we don't confront them."

Loose Change and Loose Change 2nd Edition have been viewed by millions of people on You Tube and Google Video. It has been aired on the History Channel in 14 countries, including Australia and New Zealand, and is in the works for a big-screen release sometime this summer across the U.S. Actor Charlie Sheen, who has previously spoken out against the ways in which the events were portrayed by the media and the government, is set to narrate the documentary.

In short, Loose Change claims that 9/11 was an inside job, conceived and perpetrated by certain members of our government, all with corporate interests in mind.

Naturally this is a viewpoint that is not easy to swallow. Many feel that theories like these denigrate the people who died in the attacks. Bermas and others have been called liars, traitors and America-haters. In dealing with such a sensitive subject, criticisms like these are both understandable and expected.

Despite all this, Bermas believes in his work, as grim as it may be.

We will not dissect the individual points and claims made in Loose Change for several reasons. First and foremost, there are just far too many, each with implications far too serious to discuss in this brief forum. About this, you must make up your own mind and come to your own decisions. Even Bermas does not want you to accept his theories and claims on his word alone. He'd be a hypocrite in suggesting someone to fully and quickly subscribe to the content found in Loose Change, just as he feels is done too easily with the government/mainstream media's version of the events.

"You have to educate yourself before you can activate yourself," says Bermas. "I understand that, at face value, when you come to somebody and tell them about this, you're going to get a lot of resistance. When I first came across some of this information, I resisted it heavily."

"But corruption has been around since the beginning of time," he says.

"I mean, let's be honest. The problem is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's an amalgamation of corporate interests with government interests. We already see that."

Bermas came on board with this project after Dylan Avery began work on the first version of Loose Change. At that time, producer Korey Rowe was in the U.S. Military. Once Rowe's year in Iraq was complete, the three filmmakers began to move forward with the project.

Loose Change was completed on a shoestring budget and it was edited on a laptop computer. However, it has thrust the three young men to the forefront of what has been called the 9/11 Truth Movement. But since then, Bermas has seen conspiracy theories so outlandish that, according to him, actually hurt the movement as a whole.

"You know, I'm just a young guy trying to do the right thing," he says. "It's good to see real academics getting behind it. Then on the other side you have these people that are pseudo-academics, basically philosophers who try to hijack the scholar movement and say stupid things like no planes hit the towers. They just discredit the actual science. So you've got to watch out for that too."

Bermas, Avery and Rowe have participated in multiple protests and gatherings and marches all in the hopes of bringing attention to their cause.

"I mean, that's why we basically give this movie away for free and encourage people to burn it and all that because we know that this is important," he says.

"I'm not doing this, you know, to get famous or to be a movie guy for the rest of my life. I'm doing this because I want my Constitutional Republic back. I want real elections. I want reality. I want accountability.

I want to see the people that actually did this, be punished for it. It really just disgusts me that 3,000 Americans died - especially in New York. I'm a New York guy and it breaks my heart that they did it in Manhattan to the World Trade Center. And then to go and use [9/11] to go into other nations and just do what they want."

In talking with Bermas it becomes clear that his motives are genuine. Usually that is all you can ask for in talking to someone about this issue. He may be totally correct, he could be severely mistaken, or he could land somewhere in between, but the overriding sense you get from Bermas is that he only wants the truth.

So where does this all end? According to Bermas, and assuming the horrifying premise presented by Loose Change is even remotely accurate, there is a solution.

"Well I'm not in this to lose it," he says. "The first thing we need to do is we need to somehow get subpoena power into a committee of family members [of the victims] who want to ask the tough questions."

This suggestion is similar to what a group of 9/11 widows have undertaken over the last few years. Their plight has been documented in a video called 9/11: Press for Truth (911Pressfortruth.com). Though the views in this documentary do not completely line up with those presented in Loose Change, Avery and Bermas both endorse the video and support the women's quest.

"Hopefully we'll find the people with the stomach to do this and then basically we find and prosecute these people from within," Bermas says.

"And then the ultimate goal, in my eyes, is that we need to take special interest money out of lobbyist's hands. We can't corporatize the government like we are right now. Basically, you can't become a Senator or a Congressman unless you're backed by some kind of huge special interest. We need to put it in the hands of regular people and pay them a regular wage. We can't entice people who want power into office. We need to bring back checks and balances. We used to have that in this country. It's a slow road, but you've got to start from within. I really, really feel like we can do it."

If nothing else, conspiracy theories can teach us lessons about ourselves. If something is slick and well produced - whether it be a 9/11 conspiracy video like Loose Change or the U.S. government's official 9/11 Report - we can oftentimes be too easily convinced.

Says Professor Kusmer, "Even when conspiracy theories seem far-fetched, they may perform a useful function. They can help to keep alive a critical attitude toward government policymakers. Looked at in this way, they provide important examples of the exercise of free speech in a democratic society. Complacency about the actions of people in power is much more dangerous than conspiracy theories about them."

So become informed. You may decide that Bermas and Loose Change are onto something, or you may decide that they are utterly misguided. Question the conspiracy theories. Question the government. Just never stop questioning. Because when the questions stop, the caring stops, and the truth is decided for us.

yes, very liberal use of the

yes, very liberal use of the word conspiracy and they dont go into ANY of the evidence but ultimately i think its a positive piece.


So well said!

So become informed. You may decide that Bermas and Loose Change are onto something, or you may decide that they are utterly misguided. Question the conspiracy theories. Question the government. Just never stop questioning. Because when the questions stop, the caring stops, and the truth is decided for us.

Sad part is they need to look.

I will keep questioning, thanks!

I question the motives of the makers of Loose Change, if in fact they are the real makers of the film. I question the story they tell of having started out intending to make a piece of fiction. I question their willingness to appear in biased documentaries along with disinfo shills. I question their alliance with billionaire 9/11 denier Mark Cuban. I question their claims of not being in it for the fame or the money or even something more nefarious. I question their grasp on the issues but also on history generally. I question the fact that no version of their film has uttered the world Israel. I will not stop questioning indeed because I will not stop caring. This fight is just beginning, and no one is going to be immune from questions.


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i don't question them at

i don't question them at all, but then again i have known dylan for almost 3 years now and i know how hard he has busted his ass for this movement.. there is no doubt that he and his crew will become part of the conspiracy for some for the large role that they have played in this movement, but nobody put them in that position except for the thousands of people who appreciated their movie and helped spread it.

i would argue that perhaps you read to much into their 'willingness to appear in biased documentaries along with disinfo shills', and that you have no idea about their relationship (or lack thereof) with mark cuban - hopefully we will find out more about that sooner or later.. as for the israeli issues you think should be included, i would suggest you email them a suggestion - they are a lot more approachable than you might think - the fact is that we all take issue with the film in one regard or another.

faith-based truthing

the important thing, as the article very properly noted is that we can't stop asking questions. faith, in god, your country, your president, your friends, and/or you allies can be a positive thing. but if we have learned anything from 9/11 it is that faith is a double-edged sword. I have been an observer and participant in the truth movement for as long as anyone and I have seen how misplaced faith has threatened the cause of truth in the past. I have made numerous other observations, some of which I share, others which I keep to myself. eventually I will share them all, but for now all I can do is be honest with myself and build on what I've learned. anyone in this for the right reasons will surely sympathize with my position--anyone who has been in it this long has experienced feelings of despair, hope, and betrayal. in the end (though it never really ends of course) we will each have a story to tell, and those who want to understand the events of the last 6 years will, I hope, read as many of them as they can. all I care to profess my faith in is myself, because that's all I can profess faith in. I highly recommend the practice.


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I've got a lot more 'faith' in the human organism, than just my lowly self... I must.

The complete shit storm that has consumed so much of our time and even a number of individuals... I see as a now limited infection. We're kind of like white blood cells at times, others of us are nutrients, and still others act as trauma surgeons and counselors....

But the neocon fucks and their fellow kind of endangered spices, are little more akin to a deeply driven splinter than an absolutely terminal cancer. We surround it, form a stinking pus cavity, redden until people notice and pick at it... and maybe some boy scout with a dull knife will happen by and help carve out the last allowing the real healing to begin.

Yet in spite of our obsessive-like impression and relative response to the impressive 911 con... it's still just a nasty little splinter, though right smack dab in the middle of our palm, in the giant that is Humanity.

WE're gonna work it out. THAT, I have 'faith' in.

it takes a truther...

We could really go crazy with metaphors. So I won't. Let me just clarify--I have faith in myself because I know myself better than I can possibly know anyone else.

I do not put faith in individuals very easily I'm afraid, especially given my experiences since 9/11. I have been approached, befriended, or otherwise engaged by more obviously dishonest people, including people weel known to me, than anyone should have to in a lifetime. I understand that as a visible and public truther, I am a magnet for all manner of sick people with sick agendas. At many points I desperately wanted to stop, and have for brief periods, doing what I do because of this incredibly demoralizing situation. Amazingly (to myself) I still know in my heart that most people are not evil. And therefore while I do not have faith in any given individual (family and friends included) I do have faith in humanity's potential to rise above this as a collective.

Just as the value of a statistical sample increases with its size, I think that truth and the search for it is more reliable the more people you have engaged in the search for it. By truth in this case I mean factual accuracy, not anything more grandiose like the meaning of life. Far from a pessimist I am an optimist when it comes to the human condition. If it weren't for my faith in our collective potential I would find little reason to assume the struggle that many of us share, however we may currently define it for ourselves. No single human can take credit for anything that humanity has accomplished, nor take sole blame for any of our failures.

We have come this far as a "movement" as a result of the sum total of our efforts, including the efforts of those who have been insincere participants. Must we thank the many shills for anything? No, but neither can we go back and say that without them we would be here today, on the verge of a historic breakthrough of consciousness. To suppose that anyone involved in this paradigm shift is owed anything for their participation in it--be it respect, praise, adulation, name it--is to misconstrue the very nature of human existence. There is no good without evil, no light without dark, and no truth without deception. We got this far by standing up to oppression of many kinds--from the overt and sensationalized to the subtle and yet hidden. There is a great deal still to be learned, but none will learn those things who declare victory prematurely. Many who have reached this point with us will retreat into a complacent self-satisfaction and forget the lessons we fought so hard to learn--of independent thought, courage to stand alone in the face of scorn, and the importance of persevering. The rest of us who embrace our new consciousness will continue to learn and know what it is to live free of self-deception. It's not easy that. It takes a real truther. Some people think that because I chose this pseudonym I think I'm the only one--they miss the point entirely. Whether or not you are a real truther is up to you. Attempting to convince others of the fact is not something that a real truther is terribly concerned about, because the truth speaks for itself, and we can be honest and embrace it, or not.


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I've got to say I'm on the

I've got to say I'm on the same page as you. People will rise to the occasion but unfortunately it takes a big shove to get them there sometimes. It's much easier to sit back and let diffusion of responsibility take occur, until things get so bad that one obviously must take action. I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is this cycle in the human experience and the cycle will only end with an enlightened society which I personally think will never occur. The best we can do is to keep trying to educate people. The most enlightened will always lead.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Meanwhile.... back in the real world

The following are excerpts from a sermon delivered by Ahmad Bahr, acting speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, from Hamas, which aired on Sudan TV on April 13, 2007.

TO VIEW THIS CLIP: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1426

"America Will Be Annihilated, While Islam Will Remain"

Ahmad Bahr: "'You will be victorious' on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] 'you will be victorious,' but only 'if you are believers.' Allah willing, 'you will be victorious,' while America and Israel will be annihilated, Allah willing. I guarantee you that the power of belief and faith is greater than the power of America and Israel. They are cowards, as is said in the Book of Allah: 'You shall find them the people most eager to protect their lives.' They are cowards, who are eager for life, while we are eager for death for the sake of Allah. That is why America's nose was rubbed in the mud in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Somalia, and everywhere."


"America will be annihilated, while Islam will remain. The Muslims 'will be victorious, if you are believers.' Oh Muslims, I guarantee you that the power of Allah is greater than America, by whom many are blinded today. Some people are blinded by the power of America. We say to them that with the might of Allah, with the might of His Messenger, and with the power of Allah, we are stronger than America and Israel."


"I tell you that we will protect the enterprise of the resistance, because the Zionist enemy understands only the language of force. It does not recognize peace or the agreements. It does not recognize anything, and it understands only the language of force. Our jihad-fighting Palestinian people salutes its brother, Sudan." [...]

"Oh Allah... Kill Them All, Down to the Very Last One"

"The Palestinian woman bids her son farewell, and says to him: 'Son, go and don't be a coward. Go, and fight the Jews.' He bids her farewell and carries out a martyrdom operation. What did this Palestinian woman say when she was asked for her opinion, after the martyrdom of her son? She said: 'My son is my own flesh and blood. I love my son, but my love for Allah and His Messenger is greater than my love for my son.' Yes, this is the message of the Palestinian woman, who was over 70 years old - Fatima Al-Najjar. She was over 70 years old, but she blew herself up for the sake of Allah, bringing down many criminal Zionists."


"Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet - defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them."

while in the occupied territories love flourishes


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fyi RT -

Word is that the LC crew and Mr. Cuban have parted ways. They have left LA and gone back to NY.

Expect a press release soon.

My apologies (in advance) for stoking the rumor mill.

While it is always important to have faith in yourself, humans are social animals and can only survive and flourish by working together. This is one of the great challenges of life.

I hope that you and yours are well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

so are you saying that LCFC

Now does not have a distributor, and won't be coming out in theaters late summer or fall?

No Micahyah

I said that the LC crew and Mr. Cuban have parted ways. As far as I know they are still working very hard with Charlie Sheen to get the film out ASAP.

Stay tuned.

(Everyone should also keep in mind that 95% of theaters are owned by very large corporations and holding companies, like The Carlyle Group)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

i thought Carlyle sold its theatre holdings

before buying dunkin donuts...


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no police state

without proper donut supplies.

interns < internets

Mmmm, doughnut.

They probably want to get some brainwash or aggression chemicals into the cop's food supply. He he he...
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

We don't need no STINKIN' theaters!

If theaters boycott the movie THEN we should boycott the theaters. We'll all get to see the movie anyway. If the guys producing it get the shaft from theaters all they need to do is get to burning DVD's, set up a website, and sell them at a reasonable price to recoup their cost of production and get out their message.

Pssshawww theaters. They're so last century!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

ty 4 the fyi

And I'm not trying to be a jerk (since it apparently comes so naturally) but it's not really relevant. Whatever role Loose Change played early on in the movement has happened. Along the way we learned quite about the makers' judgement, knowledge, poise, etc. They are what they are (whatever that is) and if people like them then great and if they think they're disinfo then they can explain why. To treat them as the darlings of the movement (and it seems there's a LOT of that going around, not just with them but others) is a transparently bad idea. It flies in the face of everything that has gotten us to where we are--NOT putting any stock in media manipulated popularity contests, NOT trusting authority, etc.

So they have reportedly parted ways--why did they ever hook up in the first place? What was up with some of those stories about packaging the film along with Screw Loose Change? Why did we have to sufefr through that drama? When will the next one arise? If people want to make 9/11 truth a sort of fan club, or a social organization that's their prerogative. If the administrators of this site want to have double standards for their friends that is also up to them.

One problem with the world these days is that people are too willing to forgive, because everyone at heart wants everyone else to be truthful and nice. That's why people can be in denial and still read the New York Times even though they were criminally complicit in the murders of countless Iraqis. One effect of 9/11 truth that I will always be grateful for is the increased skepticism--HEALTHY skepticism--that is currently spreading like wildfire. Credibility, once lost for whatever reason, should not be so easily regained, and won't be as far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps I have become pathologically averse to being lied to. I have every reason to have become so, and every intention of following through with the exposing of any lies or deception I see fit to expose, whether that makes me welcome in any given circle or not. I appreciate your constant positivity LW, you are a credit to the movement for that virtue. I know exactly what I am and how much it helps me to be reminded of the love every now and then. I also am coming to a very clear understanding of what is going on and it is important for me to reject any and all attempts at suppressing my voice or censoring my views. I will go with the flow and have faith that the flow will go with me. I do have a rather interesting life offline and have every intention of continuing to work together with people as I always have. What I will never do is defer to anyone's judgement in matters of truth. That is something that I will always be my own judge of. And when I decide what I believe, I will welcome any and all challenges. That's not arrogance--it's precisely how one learns and grows in wisdom!

cheers, LW. :)


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Agreed -

We each have our own truth and that is the only truth we can know absolutely. By communicating these "individual" truths and analyzing them with an open, skeptical mind we can come to know a "collective" truth.

I, too, try to steer away from the development of any kind of "cult" based on a particular personality or film. The real strength of the truth movement is its diversity and independence and anything that compromises that is a serious mistake, imo.

Keep up the good work, RT.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Not only must you question all,

one must also always question his or her own presuppositions... our own beliefs with which we we inculcated from birth, from our notions about what is real and unreal, what is good and what is not good.

When we ask folks to consider the various truths of 9/11 truth we are, in the final analysis, asking them to question all the presuppositions they incorporated into their awarenesses of the world. Asking them to question their very core - their beliefs -

We must always be willing to analyze our own beliefs. But, paradoxically, we must always be willing to put ourselves on the line for the truths we come to believe after that examination.

"There are none so hoplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe)

Question everything, everyone.

Yes... I'm not sure if I saw the 1st or 2nd edition of LC, but it was VERY speculative and "soft-ball". I think at this stage of the game, there is no reason for them to mince words. LCFC should have COPIOUS amounts of HARD SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, feature guys like Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, go into more in-depth, logical analysis of why the official narrative is impossible and self-contradictory.. No reason to be polite now. There is WAY to much evidence, and hard science. The case would be a "slam dunk" in any REAL court of law. If LCFC is still as speculative as the one I saw, I would be rather suspicious. I hope they are actually thinking STRATEGY in terms of what they are putting in the film...

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

loose change

they do mention pnac and silverstein in Loose change. I mean we dont really know who is responsible, hence the need for a new investigation

Nice Line Here

A not so thinly veiled cut at Uncle Fester...

"You know, I'm just a young guy trying to do the right thing," he says. "It's good to see real academics getting behind it. Then on the other side you have these people that are pseudo-academics, basically philosophers who try to hijack the scholar movement and say stupid things like no planes hit the towers. They just discredit the actual science. So you've got to watch out for that too."

Conspiracy theories?

The government version of what happened on 9/11/2001 IS a conspiracy theory. MIHOP is not a conspiracy theory. It is a scientific fact. It can be proven. Actually it HAS been proven. Wake up people. Do the research like I did. If you are honest with yourself you will come to the same conclusion that I came too. The laws of physics didn't take a day off on 9/11. Nice article Chris. Can't wait for the new Loose Change to be released. The sooner the better.

Show "Unreal" by chad9353

Quite possibly....

... one of the kindest compliments I've ever seen tapped into this blog.

Many people here have sacrifices literally thousands of hours of research, autodidact (self-taught, the hard way) trial-and-error analysis, creative activism and outreach, so that someday... someway... we would most all be working again toward bettering the human condition.

Thanks for noticing... and thank you even more, for now lending a hand.

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PNAC - Rebuilding Americas Defenses...


my pet goat?

any other ideas?


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The key to 'My Pet Goat'.

Only when read upside down are the Luciferian text revealed. LOL.

debunking upside down pet goat

I thought it was a different book on another occasion that he was holding upside down..I think it's an urban legend that my pet goat was... should we check snopes? kidding! goats are a satanic symbol, though, whether they are upside down or right side up.

update: DEBUNKED! http://www.mikerappaport.com/mikerappaport_com_files/mypetgoat_image.gif

the book is right side up.


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Yeah, I know.

It's an old 'bush bashin' joke'. You'll be surprised how many people will hunt down that clip just to see if it's true. I had a friend come back & tell me he couldn't tell whether it was upside down or not. He did admit bush & the SS's non-reaction to "America's under attack" didn't make ANY sense & broke all protocols. (Another truther born.)

What book is that?

don't say the Koran...

What Point?

The one at the top of your head?

this one?



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Just got finished reading Debunking 911 Debunking....

...and yes Bush is screwed.

Everyone should read this book. DRG spanks Popular Mechanics, NIST and the MSM and left-leaning media.

"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey

chad9353 -

What book would that be?

(this is an edited post)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

What do ya' wanna bet...

that Mongoloid says, "The Koran"? If the piece of shit replies at all.

Quite possibly

the most useless trolling attempt........... ever.


Even though I'm now unable to edit my reply to Chad above... at least I can stand by my words for anyone else to read. Chad, can you say the same?

Worse, what would it be like for a person such as yourself... when your survival may require you to change your whole mind? Unlike King George, I know I can.

Not your fault Erin

if chad is unable to convey his thought with such limited word skills.

Shoulda used emoticons Sealed!

chad9353, another 'Compassionate Canservative'?.

Oh my! You're right! I'm

Oh my! You're right! I'm going to go slit my wrists now! Everything was fine in my fantasy world until you pointed that out to me! Woe is me!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

The Grand Chessboard?

Rebuilding America's Defenses?

Securing the Realm?

The Bible?

The Koran?

Do tell us which book you believe caused 9/11.

We've proven lots, as a matter of fact. The cover up is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If you think that having the government cover up the facts of the attack that justifies all criminal aggression is OK, then you're just not prone to thinking.

As I suspect you are pretty damned ignorant over WHY we believe we have a solid case against the government, read my article below. (You do know how to read, no?)

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Show "you guys are really serious." by chad9353


Snap out of it!

yes, Chad... try (re?)reading some of those other holy books

and see what lovely things you can find--about infidels suffering the wrath of Jehovah, punishment of stoning to death for adultery and that is very much just the tip of the iceberg. if you had the ability to think critically you would understand what a racist you are for selecting the quran out of all of them for your criticism. this is not the time or place, but I think most people would be shocked to find out some of the things written in the "good" religious books...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force


clash of civilizations right

clash of civilizations right Chad? WW3 right Chad? isnt that what they tell you to think? Muslims are the enemy and a VERY scary enemy at that right Chad? isnt that what they teach you to think? how does it feel to live your life in fear of something you dont understand? gullible little bastard, i hope your only like 16 or something because if not im beyond feeling sorry for a piece of shit like yourself.

Show "take off the tinfoiled hats" by chad9353

islam is the enemy? im done.

islam is the enemy? im done. that line says it all. though i would be HIGHLY interested to know how old you are. and "the government" didnt do 9/11, its a bit more complicated than that little boy.

oh, and thanks for joining

oh, and thanks for joining the circle jerk. now what does that say about you?

Glenn Beck fan huh?

Glenn Beck fan huh?

My God.....

If this bootlicker is serious.............. the dumbing down of America has progressed farther than I could have imagined.

My suggestion to you: check back in after you have taken a physics class.

bottom line:

"Complacency about the actions of people in power is much more dangerous than conspiracy theories about them."
--Kenneth L. Kusmer, professor, Temple U.

GWB obviously disagrees, which is hardly a point against the assertion. ;-)

Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"

Rights versus Privileges

"In America we have become accustomed to a life of privilege. Liberties that we consider to be the intrinsic rights of every human are not seen as such in other nations. Here we have the privilege to basically speak, write, believe or do whatever we wish."

Privileges are GIVEN by the holder. When a gov't issues a LICENSE for something - it is bonified proof : asking for permission to perform an activity utilizing public materials for private profits or gain.

A RIGHT is what all peoples of the earth are born with. ALL PEOPLES.

Just because some gov't usurps a right from a person through deception and trickery - doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.

Humans have the inherent right to :

Every time I hear the words "Civil Liberties" or "Privileges" I wanna vomit.

Those two items are GIVEN by the MASTER to the recipient.
Hence the trickery with the 14th amendments conflict with the 13th:

Neither slavery **nor involuntary servitude**, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place **subject to their jurisdiction**.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States , and **subject to the jurisdiction thereof** ...

So - when we go about "signing contracts" through deception remember this - Signing is waiving and waiving is yielding and submitting your RIGHTS into a PRIVILEGE which can be taken away by some bureaucrat at his own discretion.

Oh ... and remember this too: Since all this is done through deception - you STILL RETAIN ALL RIGHTS! In fact - its impossible to WAIVE A RIGHT ... ITS PART OF YOU!

Next time you are FORCED to SIGN a legal instrument against your will - Remember: **nor involuntary servitude**

Smells like "involuntary servitude" to me - don't it?

Hey Folks, the Loose Change

Hey Folks, the Loose Change In-Flight Movie story has hit the front page on Netscape and is getting lots of hits.  Please visit, vote for it, and post your favorite bit of 911 Truth in the Comments:


Nine Inch Nails -

Nine Inch Nails - Survivalism


9/11 Music

Check the police state going down at LA May Day march...

Including beating on the news reporters and cameramen...

Disgusting !!!


it sure was disgusting. at

it sure was disgusting. at least the media seems to be covering it. for now.

That sucks

the whole cuban thing was supposed to be secret, somebody leaked it to the press and cuban got cold feet when he was attacked. Thats my take, and thats really sad. Had it been kept secret would have made it better. NOw what do we do?


Has the headline "VIRGIN AIRWAYS showing film claiming 9/11 was a conspiracy..."

I think this is promising.