GOP wants to bar Ron Paul from debates because of 9/11 views
ACTION ALERT: Contact the Republican National Committee and tell them in no uncertain terms that the Republican Party is FINISHED if they choose to deny free speech by removing Ron Paul and you will NEVER vote for them again:
RNC #: 1-202-863-8500
Gopac: 1-202-464-5170
Also, sign the petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/RPRNC08/petition.html
Aaron Russo of America: Freedom to Fascism fame is pushing hard for this, please take action and make the calls. If the lines are busy, keep trying. Also, send this alert to your contacts, call radio shows etc, and TAKE ACTION!!!
Source: KTEN News
Associated Press - May 16, 2007 7:45 PM ET
The chairman of the Michigan Republican Party said today he will try to bar presidential candidate Ron Paul from future GOP debates.
The Texas congressman made remarks that suggested the September 11th attacks were the fault of US foreign policy at a GOP debate last night. Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when Paul linked the terror attacks to US bombings.
Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis says he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates.
At the debate, Paul said "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."
Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."
- Chris Rose's blog
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wow, this overreaction says
wow, this overreaction says a lot about how 9/11 is still completely off limits. imagine if Paul actually said the US government(or a faction) was responsible for 9/11.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Make a Call for Ron Paul!
phone numbers to call to stop the republican party from stifling ron paul:
GOPAC: 202 464 5170
RNC: 202 863 8500
Called in
I just called RNC in. A young man took my call, and told me he wrote everything down and will tell his supervisor about this issue.
I basically told him that banning a hopeful from a debate is against free speech, and by doing this the GOP will be hurt. He was respectful and sympathetic.
Call them, and give'em your point of view. (press 1 at the prompt).
-saned
Voice mailbox is full!
I tried several times to call the GOPAC, but encountered a full voice mail box. What the heck - why would the GOP give a flying fungus what the American people think anyway? They do what their AIPAC masters tell them, nothing more, nothing less.
Pathetic.
"wow" is right!
I guess now we know why he held back.
Ron Paul is not only a true Patriot IMHO... he's a smart one. Sometimes you've got to know when to play your cards close to your vest. Otherwise, they will crucify you... literally.
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"Cogito ergo sum"
Paul cannot say 9/11 was an inside job....
If he did, his campaign would be over. The MSM would rip him to shreds and those that currently support him that are ignorant about 9/11 would drop him like a bad habit.
"A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government" - Edward Abbey
Paul can't say 9/11 was an inside job...
On the other hand, wouldn't it be wild if he did come out and say 9/11 was an inside job; and his numbers went up? And people came out to support him in large numbers? Are the numbers there yet? There are probably enough people who question the official conspiracy theory, but are there enough people who would support a Truth candidate? If he has nothing to lose anyway he should just do it. He will go down in history as a hero to a large part of the populace.
Ummm, they're ripping him to shreds regardless
So if he truly thinks the official story (and not simply the official version of the motives of the alleged attackers) is a lie, then he should buck up and say so instead of feeding people the standard Cockburn-Chomsky-Churchill line re the 'real reasons' 'they' attacked us--which all along has done nothing but reinforce the psychology of vulnerability so desired by the administration. I'm amazed to see truthers rationalizing, in effect, that the cause of taking down the official story is somehow advanced by continuing to make unwarranted concessions to it (as if one might starve a threatening beast out of existence by continuing to feed it).
Come on, folks! Isn't it obvious in view of the latest reports that he's going to get trashed regardless?!! As Patrick Henry once remarked in a different context, 'If this be treason, make the most of it!'
I'm with you
Let's say he loses because of his views on 9/11, which I don't think would be the case. He might get trashed in the media, but like you said, that happens regardless.
Either way this is a victory for 911 Truth. That Matlin woman was on fox calling it the 9/11 Truth Virus...
It's fever woman fever.
Can't Stop 9/11 Fever
Petition Against Ron Paul Has Been Dropped
Phone Call To Saul Anuzis: Petition Against Ron Paul Has Been Dropped [mp3]
Jeff from PUMPITOUT.com put a call into the office of Saul Anuzis, head of the Michigan Republican Party, about him wanting to kick Ron Paul from the debates and after speaking with one of his secretaries Jeff was informed that Saul has suddenly changed his mind and decided not to circulate a petition to have Ron Paul dropped from the debates.
http://digg.com/politics/Phone_Call_To_Saul_Anuzis_Petition_Against_Ron_...
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"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!" -Dr. Frank Greening
There are already counter-petitions
and Alex Jones and Aaron Russo were on the the air frothing about this. They gave out the nation RNC numbers and are demanding that everyone call and give these people hell. I never heard Aaron so pissed, he was calling for "the revolution" to begin now. Everyone should listen to the AJ rebroadcast, Aaron comes on near the end of the second hour and is on until 2h30m mark, which is where I am at now, live.
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Interesting footnote
Aaron mention that google video has pulled down America: Freedom To Fascism! Interesting that aside from the massive issues this film deals with, it also contains an interview with Ron Paul.
this link has worked forever...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=america%3...
not anymore
this launched ok on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZO6G7dfpI
Luckily I have this film on dvd :)
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Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism
Rustler, Here is the new address... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
It says there were over 3 million views until Google removed it. Damn.
Also you can get the dvd now for a dollar supposedly at the website?
Peace and good catch.
Cool
on the link, thanks. Yeah Google is always stripping view-counts, and/or the films themselves, yet they claim they dont censor - ha!
I'm not sure about the dollar thing, maybe check their site http://www.freedomtofascism.com/index.html
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FREE SPEECH TV in Santa Cruz showed Aaron's film last night
Sort of Off Topic...but Good News: Freedom to Fascism was shown last night on our local Free Speech TV Channel! I was so happy to see that!
This is insanity!
The neocons are trying to hijack freedom.
They don't like Ron Paul's opinion about 9/11 so they try to ban him? WTF?
This is pure nazi tactics.
If they are successful at doing this then it's the end of freedom.
The Ron Paul issue is the biggest thing in the struggle to keep our country.
They are banning free speech. They are banning candidates? We can't just sit back and let this happen. Take it to them no matter what your so-called political stripes are!
Actually they dont
like Ron Paul's stance on anything, and then they are trying to tie him to "911 Conspiracy nuts" on top of it.
But yeah I agree.
These poeple are sick scum, it might be time to trade in our keyboards for pitchforks and torches
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Pitchforks
Modern, precise pitchforks. Go buy one today.
Yeah, unfortunately, that's
Yeah, unfortunately, that's exactly what they're doing. Ron Paul has made it clear that he doesn't think 911 was an inside job because he knew they'd do this. He's said he didn't believe it in multiple interviews when asked directly. Still, fox news had a piece that blatantly lied and said he was a 911 truther. They did a whole tin foil hat piece on him. It's just retarded beyond comprehension. They just told a flat out lie. It's beyond belief what's happening.
Blurring the issues--as the MSM always does
We should be aware that, in attempting to associate the 9/11 Truth movement with Paul's remarks in the debate--attributing the 9/11 attacks to Muslim anger at US foreign policy--, the corporate media are not only looking to hurt his campaign, they are also looking to confuse the public's perception of our movement (and ultimately, of course, their perception of what's true and what's not re 9/11). As with the Ward Churchill controversy two years ago, the more the cause of 9/11 Truth is associated with proponents of 'blowback', the more the public will miss the major thrust of our movement, instead presuming, when they hear about '9/11 Truthers' that, 'oh yeah, those are the folks that agree with so-and-so that 9/11 should be viewed as retaliation against US policy'--when that is SO not the case when it comes to our actual message.
Georges Grandpa funded
Georges Grandpa funded Hitler -did you expect anything different
The GOP is not an official government agency folks
Ron Paul can resign any time he wants. Why doesn't he? Why won't Kucinich resign from the Democrat party? Why are any of these people still sucking at the teat of the corporate parties? Maybe if he resigns from the party I'll support and respect him. Not until then.
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
have we ever had an
have we ever had an independent or green president? im not making excuses for them but im guessing this is probably what they are thinking. the most likely way of winning is unfortunately being a democrat or republican. incidentally he can run as an independent if he doesnt get the republican nomination. think of it this way, McKinney deserves at least some respect for what shes done as a democrat right? could she have done any of that if she wasnt a democrat? would she have ever won a seat in congress? would she have ever had the oppurtunity to ask Myers and Rumsfeld about the wargames? would she have ever had 9/11 conferences with the likes of David Ray Griffin etc. on C-Span? as a congresswoman her remarks about 9/11 so soon after the attacks, safe as they were in hindsight caused MANY people to look closer at 9/11 and specifically the warnings our government got. that said i dont trust Kucinich for one second when he says that hes going to investigate "narrow portions" of 9/11 when he doesnt even have the heart to tell us what those narrow portions are. hes not under a gag order. i'll believe it when i see it. same with Paul, he talks a good game on many issues but thats just not good enough. McKinney tried to strike at the root numerous times on numerous issues. i dont see that from Paul.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
Aside from NOT accepting Lobbyist donations
(from wiki)
Paul advocates the limited role of government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He has earned the nickname "Dr. No" for voting against any bill he believes violates the Constitution. [1] Former Treasury Secretary William Simon is quoted as saying that Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill.[2] He has never voted to raise taxes or congressional pay. He has consistently voted against the USA PATRIOT Act, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, and the Iraq War.
ON TOP OF THAT
Promises to do away with the Federal Reserve and illegal Federal Income Taxation, whoch most likely includes getting abolished the 16th Ammendment to the Constitution, which was never ratified by the states.
Screw Kucinich, that Globalist gun grabber - He's a new world order shill that was told "tell them you'll look into 9/11". pffft c'mon
Within the current system Ron Paul is our last hope
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That's bull. He got into
That's bull. He got into the republican debate, and that's good. It's working exactly the way he's planned. He's exposing the Republican Party for the brainwashed neo cons they've been duped into becoming. It's going as planned.
This only makes sense,
This only makes sense, right? People in the reality-based community aren't welcome. NO ONE will get into the White House denouncing Bush or the War Party. If you believe the official story about 9-11, then Paul's remarks make perfect sense. But no one wants to hear that. Because America is Heaven and anyone saying otherwise is an EVIL FREAK ! The War Party controls America and its proxies will be attacking Ron Paul until he quits.
We Must Act
Here is Saul Anuzis deplorable article: http://migop.blogs.com/blog/2007/05/articles_of_int_15.html
Unfortunately I can't find anywhere to leave a comment for that particular article. We must act swiftly on this one guys. Sign the petition and call your local Republican party contacts.
Here is a link to write a letter to the editor on the GOP's website:
http://www.gop.com/GetActive/WriteNewspapers.aspx
And a list of radio talk show phone numbers:
http://www.gop.com/GetActive/CallTalkRadio.aspx
saul@anuzisforchair.com
Wish him a merry christmas:
http://anuzisforchair.com/
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Aaron Russo
should run for president. He would sure get my vote. Did anyone hear his interview with Alex Jones. He just tears the "Official Story" apart. By the way, I think everyone should buy fire arms. If this so-called election becomes the farce the last one was we will need to revolt. What did JFK say about that subject? I can't remember the exact quote but it goes something like this. " Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I pray this never happens but I will revolt if I have no other choice. I may go down but I will take a shit load of these thugs with me.
Fox News bashes Ron Paul, Alex Jones and 911 truthers
Fox is getting desperate.
They continually insist that Paul is infected with the 9/11 truth "virus" even though he only mentioned blowback during the debate.
They also think that he should be banned from other debates because he appeared on Alex Jones' show!
And... they point out that other media outlets (besides Fox) should debunk 911 truthers!
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How did CNN and BBC have foreknowledge of the WTC7 collapse, yet five years later, the government cannot explain it?
Desperation
I would like to figure out how to revoke Fox's FCC license. Why are they allowed to lie and cheat and slander and issue threats? Aren't the airwaves public?
every time they do
call the FCC and place a complaint, especially when it comes to the threats made by Bill-O or a guest like Danny Been-a-douche-bag
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FCC info
I suggest contacting the FCC to complain about FOX and to complain about the GOP election interference by the Michigan guy. (Note the email to complain about election matters:.)
You could _call_ the FCC:
1-888-225-5322 (press '1' then '4' for general info then '0' for an operator)
I talked to an operator and asked obliquely how one can complain about a TV station violating FCC rules. She (very bitchy) asked me which station. I asked, "does it matter?" and she said it did! I refused to answer, and persisted in trying to find out what the normal procedure is to complain. She said to complain about a station abuse of their FCC license, send a letter to:
Federal Communications Commission
attn: media bureau
445 12th Street SW
Washington, DC 20554
FCC Chair: Kevin J Martin
webpage: http://www.fcc.gov/
Members of the media (does this include the web?? why not!) can call:
202-418-0500 (office of media relations)
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Shocking!
This "girl" anchor Michelle evidently wants to spend rest of her life in jail..
Her exposure is way beyond reporter's license..
Also, did you get the Pentagon-missile factoid at the end of the segment? That's scripted!
They for sure have at least some overflight video around/near Pentagon..
Fox concedes the truth
"They continually insist that Paul is infected with the 9/11 truth "virus..."
If Fox is referring to the movement as the "9/11 truth" movement I say that right there is a victory. Not "the 9/11 nutcase" movement. They've conceded the semantics, even if they try to smear us by putting "truth" in quotes.
I think that's a powerful victory.
Semantics
They lose every time they concede are movement is based on "TRUTH"! They think that by adding the word "virus" that they are somehow denigrating us. It only shows their utter contempt for TRUTH as a concept. To somehow equate TRUTH with a disease that needs to be cured.
That's what happens when you've lied so long, that you begin to believe your own bullshit. You lose respect for the TRUTH to the extent that you subconsciously view TRUTH itself as the enemy. That's were FOX news is now. They hate the truth because they can't handle it.
The smartest thing our movement ever did was to start calling ourselves the 9/11 Truth Movement. Pretty hard to spin that as being a bad thing. MSM tried for so long to dub us as nothing more than "9/11 Conspiracy Theorist"... you barely hear that anymore. We are winning and we will continue to win this battle.
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ok
This Fox segment is so incredibly screamingly absurd that I need to write something on the GOP/conservative problem of (sooner or later) dealing with the 9/11 inside job. Will try to do that tomorrow. I've "been going to" for a good while now, but that segment really amped me up another notch!
Was I the only one who noticed how far out of their way they went to mention a healthy variety of 9/11 truth "things" -- things never mentioned by Ron Paul, at least in the debates? Does anyone else find that curious?
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
Saul Anuzis Michigan
Saul Anuzis Michigan Republican Party Chairman
This is published on his own website so feel free to contact him:
http://www.anuzisforchair.com/introletter.asp
Home/Office: 517-394-9940
Cell Phone: 517-974-1986
Email: sanuzis@800goquick.com
attack!
I tried his home number -- no more room to leave messages said the machine. His cell phone apparently is no longer a working number, according to the message I received. I will email the bastard, though. -E
no go
his email (sanuzis@800goquick.com) doesn't work either.
sanuzis@migop.org
Saul's email is sanuzis@migop.org
Also
They have disabled the email contact form on MIGOP and the GOP and MIGOP voicemail systems are full.
Try this one...
...
saul@anuzisforchair.com
http://anuzisforchair.com
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
I sent him a letter...
...and so far it has not bounced back. I still would like to call him.
it never ceases to amaze me...
we are officially living in Nazi Germany. Im only 22, but i remember hearing before 9/11 that something similar to the Nazi regime will happen again. i never thought it would happen here in America, but it looks more and more each day that it is. this country has been hijacked, every form of media weather its Fox, CNN, Google, or Youtube is now controlled. with each desperate move the NWO takes, more and more people are starting to wake up and realize whats going on. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!!!
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."
-George W. Bush November 11, 2001
You're dead right, unfortunately.
This is accurate, people. We are now livng in Nazi Germany. Try to wake people up with 9/11, Media madness, stolen elections, North American Union...
The NAU should be a dead give-away. In a time of war and ILLEGAL INVASIONS, the US is moving to annex Canada and Mexico!??!?! How much more obvious can it get???? The NAU can wake a lot of people who might be hostile to 9/11 Truth.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
the NAU is not the US annexing Canada and Mexico - it's worse
The NAU's name, at least thus far, is "North America". Study the "North American Competitiveness Council" to see who runs it. This is a new, distinct political/economic entity, not an extension of the 3, or any of the 3, countries on the continent which is also called "North America". Those in Canada who oppose it sometimes view it as the US taking over Canada, but that's not it. It's actually a tiny, corrupt elite taking over all 3 countries -- by stealth.
I could hyperlink all the above but I don't have time right now. Try stopthenau.org as a starting point, though.
Want to figure out 9/11? Ponder the 9/11 "Mineta Stone"
You're right.
And I know that is isn't really US annexation. I was just being lazy. ;) Sucks hardcore either way.
It's actually a tiny, corrupt elite taking over all 3 countries -- by stealth.
Right on. They'll regret is once everyone "wakes up". I don't think troops from any "Western" countries will be willing to enforce a police state in North America for long. They would have to bring in Eastern Europeans, Middle Easterners, or maybe Chinese, but once our troops wise up... Shit is going to hit the fan. This process is already so far along, I don't see a peaceful soluiton. I''m hoping though. Wake enough up, maybe the NWO will lose most of its brainwashed thugs.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
I put my call in.
This just in on yahoo:
Senators want CIA to release 9/11 report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_go_co/cia_sept_11_probe
WOW!!!!!!!!
And now this.
On yahoo now.
Researchers challenge Kennedy lone gunman theory.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070517/sc_nm/usa_kennedy_dc
Wow again.
11/22/63
Thanks for the Yahoo report. I have never given up on the truth about 11/22/63 getting out. If we ever get the truth about 9/11 I am sure the JFK murder will be uncovered also. As far as Fuck News goes, they should all be hung for high treason and mass murder along with the neocons and their NWO backers who are surely behind the crimes of 9/11 and the wars that followed. Yes my young friend bluejay, this is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century. Welcome to the United States of Hell.
Do you think Lee Harvey
Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?
No 80%
Yes 11%
I'm not sure 9%
Total Votes: 40,512
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/kennedy-assasination-challenged/...
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
11/22/63
Thanks for the Yahoo report. I have never given up on the truth about 11/22/63 getting out. If we ever get the truth about 9/11 I am sure the JFK murder will be uncovered also. As far as Fuck News goes, they should all be hung for high treason and mass murder along with the neocons and their NWO backers who are surely behind the crimes of 9/11 and the wars that followed. Yes my young friend bluejay, this is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century. Welcome to the United States of Hell.
You say wow,
I say...ehh, we'll see what comes from this, if anything. Seems kinda 'limited hangout' to me. Too much talk of not wanting to embarrass the poor secretive souls in the CIA. (I'm talking about 9/11, not JFK...haven't gotten to that one yet)
This is great!
from the Ron Paul camp:
What's Happening at the Michican GOP
I just spoke with a friend who knows the people who work in the Michigan GOP office. He said the office "can't handle the volume" and "don't know what to do". Saul Anuzis's blackberry is flooded with messages, his voicemail is already full, and Ron Paul supporters are starting to find new phone numbers to reach him.
They are totally freaked out. He told me "they decided to stop answering the phones for the rest of the day because right when they hung up with one Ron Paul supporter the phone started to ring with the next. They couldn't get any work done". And "Saul has turned off his blackberry because he couldn't handle the overload".
He kept telling me how surprised they were at the amount of people calling and emailing. They didn't know what was going on or who was behind it all. Total shock.
Let's not let this one die. More phone calls and messages tomorrow."
WE'RE WINNING! The nazi's will lose this round for sure!
help with contact info for Michigan nazi party leader
so what numbers actually work?? -E
awesome
lets pwn them douche bags
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Leet PWNXOR.
That is all.
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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
WOW
When I first added the link to the Ron Paul petition to this blog entry, the total signatures was around 2300 or so. Now its about 6000!! Only in a few hours, this thing has taken flight:
http://www.petitiononline.com/RPRNC08/petition.html
many thanks for the link
I was looking for some way to express my support for Ron Paul to the GOP.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks to the originator of the petition.
THe vote is now over 9100..
Ron Paul must be able to participate in every Republican debate.
Who is the MSM (their owners Murdoch,...) to decide who should be in the debate and who not.
There has to be consequences (peaceful) for this silent MSM coup that is occurring.
Fox is owned by a foreigner, Rupert M U R D och. He has NO interest in the USA or its constitution.
People must realize that Fox is owned by a money/power hungry FOREIGNER.
How dare he come into our country and spread lies and run over our constitution.
To hear Ron Paul is to take people, power and money away from these feudal tyrants.
4 mega companies own the airwaves and they are owned by the military industrial companies
eg. GE owns CBS. These companies are part of the invisible government.
We must boycott these companies.
We must not buy anything that they produce or listen to any of their advertisements etc.....
Wow!!!
I get a negative vote because I hit the post button twice. Thanks. That is just what we don't need to put eachother down. To be honest I don't care for rateing posts. What we do need is unity. It's the only way.
maddog, do not take this the wrong way!
I'm entirely sure it was only meant to collapse your double post to save space, and is nothing personal, at all. Chill.
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I agree
(Whoops, this is a reply to rm's comment on the previous page, ""Ummm, they're ripping him to shreds regardless."
If he really thinks it is blowback, that is fine and consistent with his conservative - as in real old school conservative - views.
But if he really doubts the official story, then he is lying and supporting the official story by talking about blowback. And he is being accusing of "infection with the 9/11 Truth virus" anyway, so he might as well talk about it.
I thought real conservatives mistrusted government - why should 9/11 as an inside job be such a surprise and sacrilege?
Paul to Giuliani: Read the 9/11 Commission Report
OK, so Paul doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job. He's still the only half-honest guy in the Repub leadership race. It shows you where things are at in America in 2007, when it is sacrilege to acknowledge the historical fact that the government foreign policy of the last 50 years might have some effect. He doesn't even mention the fact that the government has supported Islamic terrorism all over the world.
He's hip.
He's just trying to play his card right to give himself a shot at the Oval Office. Once he's there, you don't think he'll be open to looking at our "new" evidence? He can't come out and say it yet, or he's over.
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"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine
You bet he's hip
He knows what came down on 9/11. They all do. I just hope if he does become president, which I doubt, he will open a new, honest investigation. There is no way the "shadow government ",as Tarpley likes to call them, would ever let him win. They would kill him first. Remember RFK? I sure do.
did you hear about the
did you hear about the recent reports that RFK was actually looking into his brothers killing? interesting.
"Brothers"
The exclusive story of Robert F. Kennedy's secret search for the truth about John F. Kennedy's assassination. From the new book by Salon's founder and former editor in chief.
May 2, 2007 | One of the most intriguing mysteries about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, that darkest of American labyrinths, is why his brother Robert F. Kennedy apparently did nothing to investigate the crime. Bobby Kennedy was, after all, not just the attorney general of the United States at the time of the assassination -- he was his brother's devoted partner, the man who took on the administration's most grueling assignments, from civil rights to organized crime to Cuba, the hottest Cold War flashpoint of its day. But after the burst of gunfire in downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, ended this unique partnership, Bobby Kennedy seemed lost in a fog of grief, refusing to discuss the assassination with the Warren Commission, and telling friends he had no heart for an aggressive investigation. "What difference does it make?" he would say. "It won't bring him back."
What he said in public about Dallas was not the full story. Privately, RFK -- who had made his name in the 1950s as a relentless investigator of the underside of American power -- was consumed by the need to know the real story about his brother's assassination. This fire seized him on the afternoon of Nov. 22, as soon as FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, a bitter political enemy, phoned to say -- almost with pleasure, thought Bobby -- that the president had been shot. And the question of who killed his brother continued to haunt Kennedy until the day he too was gunned down, on June 5, 1968.
Because of his proclivity for operating in secret, RFK did not leave behind a documentary record of his inquiries into his brother's assassination. But it is possible to retrace his investigative trail, beginning with the afternoon of Nov. 22, when he frantically worked the phones at Hickory Hill -- his Civil War-era mansion in McLean, Va. -- and summoned aides and government officials to his home. Lit up with the clarity of shock, the electricity of adrenaline, Bobby Kennedy constructed the outlines of the crime that day -- a crime, he immediately concluded, that went far beyond Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year-old ex-Marine arrested shortly after the assassination. Robert Kennedy was America's first assassination conspiracy theorist.
Robert Kennedy did not live long enough to solve his brother's assassination. But nearly 40 years after his own murder, a growing body of evidence suggests that Kennedy was on the right trail before he too was cut down. Despite his verbal contortions in public, Bobby Kennedy always knew that the truth about Dallas mattered. It still does.
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/02/brothers/
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA
He should just call for a new 9/11 investigation!
Not that it was an inside job......that is more "diplomatic".
But they'll throw him into a pot of boiling water.
Ron Paul Schools Fox's Cavuto - pre-debate
Sorry, I don't know how to imbed video, so just click the link below to watch Ron Paul destroy Cavuto regarding just how bad our economy is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfe9dBJ4hgc&mode=related&search=
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
Michigan GOP #
I called the RNC # and picked option 2 because #1 voicemail was full. I spoke with a woman and she said that the RNC has nothing to do with the debates or candidates until AFTER the primary. I asked for clarification, "so, the RNC is not pushing to ban Ron Paul from the debates?" and she replied "no". She said that that was coming from the Michigan GOP. I asked if there were any other states that were pushing for the ban as well and she said no. So, I got the Michigan GOP # (517) 487-5413. I dialed option #6 to leave a message for the Exec. director.
By the way, the petition was up to 9427 ( i think) when I signed it. Sign it and pass it on!
Yippee!!!
Thanks for the number, Tonya, you're the greatest.
Guess what? I called, gave my little spiel, and his aide said that they are no longer seeking to ban Ron Paul from the debates (!). I thanked him and said how relieved I was, and he agreed that it would have been bad for democracy.
Wow!
AWESOME
That is awesome if it is true what they told you! I hope so. Freakin Fox News is harming Ron Paul's chances enough as it is! I am so sick the msm denying how well he has done in the debates and just how popular he has become with those exposed to him.
2002 CBS poll says Paul's views reflect 73% of Americans
While the neocon media try to shout down Ron Paul, it's interesting to me that even before the 9/11 Commission the vast majority of Americans blamed "Middle East policies" for 9/11:
"80% place a lot or some blame for the attacks on security at U.S. airports, 73% blame U.S. Middle East policies over the years, and 66% blame U.S. intelligence agencies such as the FBI or the CIA. These views are virtually unchanged since last September, just after the terrorist attacks."
So, not only are the media ignoring 9/11 Truth, they are even ignoring the overwhelming majority opinion that reflects what Ron Paul said about 9/11 in that debate.
Article Defending Ron Paul on CNN Home Page
Martin: Paul's 9/11 explanation deserves to be debated
By Roland S. Martin
CNN contributor
Roland S. Martin is a CNN contributor and a talk-show host for WVON-AM in Chicago.
(CNN) -- Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was declared the winner of Tuesday's Republican presidential debate in South Carolina, largely for his smack down of Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who suggested that America's foreign policy contributed to the destruction on September 11, 2001.
Paul, who is more of a libertarian than a Republican, was trying to offer some perspective on the pitfalls of an interventionist policy by the American government in the affairs of the Middle East and other countries.
"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," he said.
That set Giuliani off.
"That's really an extraordinary statement," said Giuliani. "As someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq; I don't think I've ever heard that before and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11."
As the crowd applauded wildly, Giuliani demanded that Paul retract his statements.
Paul tried to explain the process known as "blowback" -- which is the result of someone else's action coming back to afflict you -- but the audience drowned him out as the other candidates tried to pounce on him.
After watching all the network pundits laud Giuliani, it struck me that they must be the most clueless folks in the world.
First, Giuliani must be an idiot to not have heard Paul's rationale before. That issue has been raised countless times in the last six years by any number of experts.
Second, when we finish with our emotional response, it would behoove us to actually think about what Paul said and make the effort to understand his rationale.
Granted, Americans were severely damaged by the hijacking of U.S. planes, and it has resulted in a worldwide fight against terror. Was it proper for the United States to respond to the attack? Of course! But should we, as a matter of policy, and moral decency, learn to think and comprehend that our actions in one part of the world could very well come back to hurt us, or, as Paul would say, blow back in our face? Absolutely. His real problem wasn't his analysis, but how it came out of his mouth.
What has been overlooked is that Paul based his position on the effects of the 1953 ouster by the CIA of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.
An excellent account of this story is revealed in Stephen Kinzer's alarming and revealing book, "Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq," where he writes that Iran was establishing a government close to a democracy. But Mossadegh wasn't happy that the profit from the country's primary resource -- oil -- was not staying in the country.
Instead, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now known British Petroleum, or BP) was getting 93 percent of the profits. Mossadegh didn't like that, and wanted a 50-50 split. Kinzer writes that that didn't sit too well with the British government, but it didn't want to use force to protect its interests. But their biggest friend, the United States, didn't mind, and sought to undermine Mossadegh's tenure as president. After all kinds of measures that disrupted the nation, a coup was financed and led by President Dwight Eisenhower's CIA, and the Shah of Iran was installed as the leader. We trained his goon squads, thus angering generations of Iranians for meddling in that nation's affairs.
As Paul noted, what happened in 1953 had a direct relationship to the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in 1979. We viewed that as terrorists who dared attack America. They saw it as ending years of oppression at the hands of the ruthless U.S.-backed Shah regime.
As Americans, we believe in forgiving and forgetting, and are terrible at understanding how history affects us today. We are arrogant in not recognizing that when we benefit, someone else may suffer. That will lead to resentment and anger, and if suppressed, will boil over one day.
Does that provide a moral justification for what the terrorists did on September 11?
Of course not. But we should at least attempt to understand why.
Think about it. Do we have the moral justification to explain the killings of more than 100,000 Iraqis as a result of this war? Can we defend the efforts to overthrow other governments whose actions we perceived would jeopardize American business interests?
The debate format didn't give Paul the time to explain all of this. But I'm confident this is what he was saying. And yes, we need to understand history and how it plays a vital role in determining matters today.
At some point we have to accept the reality that playing big brother to the world -- and yes, sometimes acting as a bully by wrongly asserting our military might -- means that Americans alive at the time may not feel the effects of our foreign policy, but their innocent children will.
Even the Bible says that the children will pay for the sins of their fathers.
Ron Paul on immigration
I do not get Ron Paul on a couple of things.
He is pro-life (and that's fine). He wants to protect the life of an unborn child.That's great. But, he also says that he wants to deny citizenship to a child born in this country of an illegal immigrant. Well, now that would be un-constitutional. It goes against the 14th amendment, which explicitly states that all persons born in the US are citizens. So, is RP really so thorough in his battle to support the constitution?
Can someone help me here?
edit: AH! went to wikipedia and there is a section about exceptions based on the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." I'll bet illegal immigration leads to that exception.
Never mind.
Just one thing:
I am NOT going to get into an argument about this and this will be my only post on the subject. I'm just going to remark, for the sake of other posters who along with me find this highly offensive, that Ron Paul's anti-abortion stance is not great or fine. It sucks. It's a big screw-you to one the most basic rights: THE RIGHT TO BODILY SOVEREIGNTY. And yes, that right does include self-defense in the form of abortion. If you disagree, I want one of your kidneys or a chunk of your liver. Thanks in advance.
wow
I'm as prochoice as they come, but I'm 100% behind Ron Paul.
If someone prefers a member of the other party (since dems and reps are both the same party), they deserve what they get.
They'd rather vote for a war monger that ends up killing 600,000 Iraqi post-birth humans and our poor soldiers, averaging four a DAY.
I never got that logic. Think of all the pro-life voters that stuck this president in office. A man (and the forces that control the puppet ruler) that has killed so many in this faux war on terror. And he's a pro-life candidate. It's insane irony.
I didn't say I wasn't for Ron Paul.
I said his stance on that particular issue sucks. I am seriously considering changing my party affiliation to vote for him in the primary in Oregon (if he makes it that far -- not likely.) I think compromise is inevitable in politics (such as me voting for him even though I know he's completely wrong on this one) but I think we have to be honest about what the compromises are rather than pretending they aren't there. With that said, I completely agree with you about the hypocrisy of the current regime and the supposedly "pro-life" people who support it. It's beyond disgusting.
yes
I totally agree with you both.
kewl
I've already filled out the form to change my party affiliation. I can always switch it to independent or whatever if he doesn't make it.
I'll NEVER go back to being a registered Democrat. This movement has helped me realize there is only ONE party in this country with different masks.
Hillary IS the current administration. They shake it up with Dems some years and Reps other years so the trampling on certain American rights isn't so obscure and obvious - such as a Democrat being pro-life or a Republican attacking gun ownership, it'd just be too outrageous. Enter Hillary.
Getting to another theme exposed by the Ron Paul issue - what media sources to trust.
It's so obvious which outlets are corrupted by the way they handle Paul's debate appearances.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507internetceleb.htm
Here's another site that can't be trusted - Huffington Post.
The guy acts like the mainstream media simply missed the boat with bad judgement on not covering Paul's popularity. We all know they are attempting to SHAPE the outcome and censor and manipulate the illusion of democracy.
No issue other than 911 Truth has exposed so many corrupted and compromised media sources than Ron Paul's campaign.
Ron Paul says give abortion decision to states
Actually, Ron Paul mentioned to Alan Colmes (post-debate) that, although he's pro-life, he thinks it should be an issue decided at the state level. It's correct that the FEDERAL government should not have a say in that issue, nor the thousands of other pies it has its finger in at this time.
The basis for this is the 10th Amendment. .............“ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people. ”
He would agree that it's Oregon's right to decide whether to choose abortion or not.
Personally, I'm pro-life.............but that's neither here nor there.
GO RON !!!!!!!!!!!!
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
Ron Paul is an OBGYN and has
Ron Paul is an OBGYN and has delivered thousands of babies. If anyone has any idea what abortion does, it's going to be him. I get tired of these people with ZERO medical background getting all up in arms if someone is pro-life.
a thought
Woke up thinking of the day that a fake Osama video/audio turns up with a message like this:
"We support and endorse Congressman Ron Paul. He knows how evil the Unites States has been to Muslims. He wants to retreat and run back to momma...." [not in so many words ; ) ]
It'd be brilliant on the neo-cons' part, really. It'd be used against him in the "media" and at each debate:
"Congressman Paul, how does it feel being endorsed by terrorists?"
And I'm not joking.
Various new Giuliani and Ron Paul vids....
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SPREAD THIS VIDEO FAR AND WIDE, FOLKS !!!!!!
This is a VERY good video which cuts through the hype and propaganda of the FOX/Giuliani/NeoCon assault on Ron Paul.
"Ron Paul : Join The Revolution"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvrrPCkHKLw
My comment: although Paul is not OPENLY (not openly - *YET*) coming out for 9/11 truth, his point about our policy in the Mideast is dead-on correct. I'm in shock that he's actually being attacked for something that's so obviously true............but I guess i SHOULDN'T be shocked.
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Also, I figured I'd give Giuliani some equal time here today:
Watch as Rudy Milks "9/11" and "Terrorism" TO THE HILT !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvNgVnACmk
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They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:
http://media.putfile.com/Davin-Coburn-of-Popular-Mechanics-on-Charles-Go...
So which side is Ron Paul
So which side is Ron Paul supporting?
He said, quote: "At the debate, Paul said "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."
This means he is supporting the official version for 9/11 that arabs or Iraqis flew the planes into the towers? Or what? We are saying the attack was by US supported groups, such as CIA, US special ops etc. We base this on the fact that massive explosives must have been used to melt the core steel and/or vaporize it, and also pulverize 90,000 tons of concrete to a very fine powder in the ten seconds it took for the collapse. And that outer wall structure was taken down by demolition charges, requiring a well planned and executed operation.
I hope he will drop the Iraqi bombing as a reason. The only reason as I see it was PNAC's need for a NEW PEARL HARBOR and of coarse profit from perpetual wars in ME.
Jan_2
"GOP"?
What does "GOP" stand for? Is it an acronym for something? I've been wondering about this for some time...
I think it's "Grand Old Party"
It's a name for the Republicans.
Thanks...
... for the clarification, casseia.
John King and his fat nose pimp for the neocons
These routine attacks on Ron Paul are like nothing I've seen outside Fox News. I don't agree with all of Paul's politics, but I admire his eloquent defense of the constitution in the face of these warmongering media jackals.