Steve Alten on hostile ground: Conservative Talk Radio - & Holds His Ground.

Tuesday April 15, 2008

Steve Alten went onto hostile ground today and battled with DJ Mike McConnell to promote his book, and the notion of False Flag terror.

(18:49 Min - 5.39 Meg)

Also at Michael Wolsey's Visibility 9-11:


Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth!

Memorize it!

Next time one of these chumps tries to tangle you up, challenge the knuckle-dragger to bring on Richard Gage or Steven Jones.

Let a spokesman for Structural Engineers play Engineer.

But that was very hostile ground. You held your own for the most part...

911blogger users!

I gave the Week of Truth 2.0 thread one last kick, throw down some ideas:

My email to McConnell

Dear Mike,

I recommend that you bring on architect Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:


You are actually wrong about most of your assumptions about the building collapses of 9/11


(513) 749-7000
(800) THE BIG 1 (843-2441)
#700 on the new AT&T


great job getting out there instead of just "preaching to the choir".

Here are two resources custom-made for interviews:

(1) ; and

(2) /

Go get 'em!


What a neo-con shill

Mike McConnell demonstrates profound intellectual dishonesty in this interview. At least he didn't start yelling and cutting off Alten's mic, but this interview was a pathetic excuse for debate. This interview made me so mad I don't even know what to write. WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOME BALLS???? Call these motherfuckers out on their obvious bullshit. If this Steve Alten is to be the new spokeperson for the movement he better brush up on his facts and stick to the most basic facts and not get swayed by the person he is debating. He took every piece of bait McConnell gave him. He needs to realize when he is being baited and know how to get back on track. Pulverized concrete, building 7, freefall speed, pieces of steel flung 400 feet laterally, molten metal, ground zero being the longest commercial fire in history, burned for 99 days, not one frame of video showing a plane at the pentagon. DON'T TAKE THE BAIT STEVE!!! If you are going to talk about wargames at least brush up on all the different types of wargames and demonstrate how out of the ordinary it was. If you are going to talk about the Phoenix and Minneapolis FBI agents KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!! You just let him shut down your perfectly legitimate arguments because you didn't bring up enough facts and in the eyes of his audience he is right and you are a misguided believer in false facts. I know it is easier said than done but this Mike McConnell would have been an easy target for anyone with some balls and some self-righteousness. YOU SHOULD KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT AND SHOULDN'T TOLERATE FOR ONE SECOND THIS IGNORAMUS TRYING TO TELL YOU "HOW IT REALLY IS." I still say Jesse Ventura is the best spokeperson we have. Sorry for the rant sometimes I feel I am going crazy waiting for a 9/11 spokeperson who can actually break through the bullshit we face.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government. -Declaration of Independence, 1776

Mike McConnell= TURD


Steve Alten...

...was awesome.

What a great voice for the truth - poised and sincere.

Things are looking up.

God, I'm so tired of us

God, I'm so tired of us being labeled as "wack job conspiracy theorists" by people who show little or no interest in analyzing the biggest bunch of liars in US history...the Bush Admin and all appendages to it.

Put Options

Per Michael Ruppert


"A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard - The current Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is the former Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown and former Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust.

John Deutch - This retired CIA Director from the Clinton Administration currently sits on the board at Citigroup, the nation's second largest bank, which has been repeatedly and overtly involved in the documented laundering of drug money. This includes Citigroup's 2001 purchase of a Mexican bank known to launder drug money, Banamex."

Buzzy was on the board of Blackwater which got brother "Cookie" in hot water (Like AJ says, you can't make this stuff up)

I listened to McConnell when

I listened to McConnell when he had Cincinnati 9/11 Truth on a few weeks ago. Other than that and the clips here, I wouldn't even know the derp existed.

Umm, sorry guys....

Mr. Alten still needs a lot of training if he is going to be effective in countering standard tactics and arguments used in interviews.

STILL not ready for prime time.

Jiminy Crickets!

That was painful.

(Did he really say that SEVEN came down in 10 to 15 seconds? Did he really let that SCOOP bs get by?)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.


Free fall collapse speed through undamaged steel structure is impossible. Party's over.
Stand down of NORAD ?
Molten Metal in the ruins ?

Yeah. And I was really honestly hoping for better.

History was most certainly not made today. And Steve Alten, while doing a good job keeping his cool under fire, is not the "best spokesman" for our movement, and in fact makes it quite clear in this interview above that he needs to do a bit more homework.

He didn't have some of his facts straight, he wasn't prepared to respond to the most common arguments against 9/11 truth, and he continued to suggest that his story could come true. I suppose its technically possible.

I'm sure he would do better with a less antagonistic host. That guy was just about as bad as they come, spewing official excuses left and right. And in fact, I think it was probably good for Alten to go up against someone like that. He may well be better prepared next time as a result.

Here's a transcript of the first minute of the show:

Mike: Alright. What do we have? Shifting gears. Got a guest standing by here. Steve Alten. Gentleman has a book out. Which it turns out is a novel. Don't do novels anyway, but it part of a larger organization relating to the events of 9/11. The national coalition of 9/11, the Week of Truth is in effect right now. It just kicked off, well I guess today's day number one, April 16th to the 22nd. The guest will be Steve Alten, and Steve, great to have you on the program. How's life with you?

Steve: Good Mike. And it's an honor to be with you.

Mike: How many of these different organizations are part of the national coalition?

Steve: There must be 30 or 40 of them that have joined together for the first time since September 11th to back this book.

Mike: And what is it that they hope to see come out of this?

Steve: Well, The Shell Game is a cautionary tale written in the guise of a novel. But it deals with the end of oil, the next 9/11 event that will bring us into a war in Iran. And they are really using it to put light onto the issues that have been ignored for the last six years dealing with 9/11 and the truth behind 9/11 and really to try to stop what could be another false flag event from happening.

Mike: Did you say the end of oil?

Steve: The end of oil.

Mike: When's the oil gunna end?

Did you catch that? Its an unprecedented coalition for the movement that is using the book to try to shed light on the truth behind 9/11 and stop another false flag event.

I'm a bit concerned again about the potential here for a poisoning of our well. If the movement is behind this book, dismissing the book is dismissing the movement. And I think its pretty easy to dismiss predictions about future false flag attacks.

I only hope future interviews with more reasonable hosts reflect better on the movement. I know that its not easy going up against an antagonistic host. But if 10,000 books get sold and if Alten books a lot of interviews, he might do with a bit of homework and some coaching.

I suppose I'm trying to end this on a constructive note. Someone help this guy out by sitting him down with a good devil's advocate who really knows the facts.


"We're getting way off track, way off track"

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

The big picture

Opposition to the official narrative is breaking into the media . . . that is what I was highliting . . . Steve was battling a bullshit artist and maintained his balance better than I could in that situation.

My only suggestion to Steve is that you are at your best when you use every available opening to forward your argument rather than try to counter bullshit which is impossible in this setting.

Audience of Mike McConnell.

I'm trying to find (and can't) the estimated audience of Mike McConnell's radio show? If anyone knows a way to get this information I'd like to know. Peace.

Alex Jones on "The Shell Game" and Steve Alten

Here Ya Go

Friday March 7, 2008
Alex Jones speaks with Steve Alten about his new book "The Shell Game" and takes questions from callers

(33 Minutes - 9.7 Meg)

Wuddaya mean "here ya go"?

Did you watch the clip that metallus2 posted? What do you think about Jones' take on Alten "AJFan"?

7 minutes in...


"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!... The trouble with the NIST Report is that it isn’t even science because it's not capable of being verified or negated!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

correct . . . i assumed which is always a mistake

listening to it . . he doesn't "take on alten" (my opinion). . he's bothered by the the (over-kill) promotion of a work of fiction when we have Jesse Ventura coming out about the same time. I agree with him. The caller's question is somewhat of a strawman in that he portrays Alten as promoting himself as the 9/11 truth mesiah which he doesn't . . . Bill Douglas does . . . but Steve doesn't.

I've heard him say the same thing about Alten several times . . . once when Daniel Sunjata brought the subject up . . . Alex simply said he supported it but didn't want to promote it on his show.


Wednesday April 9, 2008
Alex Jones and Daniel Sunjata talk about the Shell Game (Alex supports the book but feels that the story has been over saturated), The Jesse Ventura phenom and about how Alex is talking to other celebrities he knows hoping they will go public now to help break the truth dam wide open

(14:37 Minutes - 4.1 Meg)

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Mr. Alten, you need to get some facts straight.

The PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses," with the infamous "catalyzing event" quote, was published ONE YEAR (not in the mid 90s) before September 11.

Building 7 came down in 6.7 Seconds.

Even FEMA (IIRC) said that the twin towers came down in +/-10 seconds.

If I'm wrong about any of that, hopefully someone will correct me.

Thanks Steve, but even with

Thanks Steve, but even with all your eloquence it's obviously not easy as a guest to politely not get lost in the host's particular side tracks especially when the tone is a bit aggressive, so here are 5 short points of indisputables to fall back on if someone else is filibustered with the usual arguments:


1. Operation Northwoods:
Official US military plan to stage terror attacks and kill its own citizens in false flag operations. This will cover the classical "I can't believe our government would actually hurt its own citizens" -argument. Don't talk about any other examples as this is hard proof and involves remotely crashing planes. Harp on about the document so it will stick in people's minds and with luck get a direct admission from the host.

2. Molten metal:
Tons of molten metal in the rubble of ALL 3 WTC building collapses was witnessed, videoed, photographed and even had its extreme temperature measured by NASA's orbital thermal imaging camera. The fires in the buildings prior to collapses were by laws of nature not hot enough to melt the steel, and neither the energy of the plane impacts and building collapses could have produced the melting. [] The molten metal is without any reasonable doubt evidence of another energy source involved on 9/11.

3. Speed of collapses:
The physical law of conservation of energy simply does not allow for buildings to fall at free-fall speed to the ground. The resistance of any mass cannot be overcome without affecting the speed of the falling object, it is just not possible. As there were no deceleration this proves without a reasonable doubt that there was no resistance in the steel. Seen together with the external energy source that must have caused the molten metal, the conclusion is inescapable.

4. Symmetry of collapses:
For a building to fall symmetrically to the ground, all supporting structures have to give way at the same exact second in time which is physically impossible after localized damage as was on 9/11, see WTC 7 video. Indisputable evidence of a controlled collapse.

5. Dust analysis:
Scientific electron microscope imaging and mass spectrometry show the dust to contain metallic spheres and irregular trace elements, proving extreme high temperatures and steel melting agents.

As to the old "If they were so clever and could pull off 911, how could they forget to fake WMD's in Iraq to cover up the UN lie?" -- just point out that there was no need as the mission was already accomplished. Their cleverness can anyway not be questioned as they were able to start a war with a country that had nothing to do with either 9/11 or WMD, using ridiculous and we now know false arguments right under the nose of the whole world, just as they had wanted to even before 9/11.. With this kind of arrogance, it can not be surprising that there would be no more explaining and to fake some WMD was probably considered too risky as UN's IAEA was sure to thoroughly test any material.

Contact Steve

Someone should contact (not overwhelm) Steve with best talking points and best facts for rebutting false claims. I'm sure he would appreciate knowing there are a lot of people out here who have his back.
I say not overwhelm because if we all send him one email, he won't be able to process it all.
I'm sure there is someone better qualified than me for the job. Any volunteers?
I know he responds to personal emails because I sent one and received a brief personal thank you.

I tried well over a week ago,

maybe I'll try again with that address (not quite sure you should have published it here, but oh well).


It's important to realize that in order to do well in these interviews you have to know the material inside and out so that you can respond instinctively. While you always want to have clear notes in front of you, you have to have complete command of the facts and be relaxed and focused, this takes time and intensive training. It's not easy, especially against a practiced antagonist, and not everyone is cut out for it.

Some folks around here may think me a nattering nabob of negativity on this issue, but I really want Mr. Alten to succeed as his success is our success.*

* As long as our definitions of success are the same, of course.

Edit: I just sent him an email, we'll see what happens.
Edit2: I just got a reply from him, stay tuned...

Take 9/11 truth wherever you go, brothers and sisters, you never know when you will have a chance to help someone see the questions and start down that ol' rabbit hole.


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

So much for 'Week of Truth'.

So much for 'Week of Truth'. That's the risk of having newcomers come forth to speak. Quite frankly, they are weak on the facts. I noticed this with Ventura who despite reading '16 books' on the subject gets so many basic facts wrong. People should just stick to the physical evidence. That's the easiest way of avoiding the fact quagmire and that includes Mr. Alten.

It isn't over yet and there will be many more 'Week of Truth'

events to come.

Your points are well taken and hopefully will reach those who most need to understand them.


The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

a response from the author

I appreciate all of your comments and will "study up." Please understand, I am not an activist, nor am I trying to present myself as one. I am an author attempting to bring 911 Truth to the mainstream media. While I may not be anywhere near as in command of the information as many of you, I dare say most if not all of you have never appeared on TV or radio before. Sometimes you get 3-5 minutes to get your points across. You can't come out swinging sledgehammers like many of you want me to, or else you sound like a wacko...which is precisely what they want. Nor can you get sidetracked by details that pull you off point. My goal is to keep it SIMPLE and NON-COMBATIVE while expressing certain key points that are factual. For me, the keys are INTELLIGENCE WARNINGS, FRASCA, WARGAMES, PUT ORDERS, and WTC 7.

My interview with Mike McConnell was scheduled for 10 minutes. We went nearly a half an hour because I was able to keep things going without sounding insulting or becoming irrational. I refused to allow him to coerce me and pulled him back to certain points, but I also had to quell him at certain points just to keep from being disconnected (10 seconds vs 15 seconds...who cares? It still violates the laws of inertia and would NOT have collapsed). Remember, this guy is as radical as Limbaugh and he already has his mind made up. So I needed to appear rational to his listeners so he can't effectively label me a nutjob. Remember, it's his LISTENERS I want to affect, not him! He's not going to debate Richard Gage. He's all about bulldozing guests.

Finally, I have learned that there is no way in heaven or hell I will ever appease everyone involved in this movement. So let's be clear: I didn't write the book for you, I wrote it because I love my country and I hate what these neocon assholes are doing to us. If you at least agree with that, then maybe you can support my efforts. I certainly support yours.

--Steve Alten

I hear you

you are not preaching to the choir . . . my dad told me to be more like you in my approach and I took that to heart . . he just finished your book . . . he's 75 . .

Steve . . if you haven't read William Pepper's book . . it is excellent!

Thursday March 6, 2008
Steve Alten, author of "The Shell Game", delivers 9/11 Truth to Jim Bohanon's CBS National Radio audience (4 + million)

(40 Minutes - 11 Meg)

Friday March 7, 2008
Alex Jones speaks with Steve Alten about his new book "The Shell Game" and takes questions from callers

(33 Minutes - 9.7 Meg)

Saturday March 22, 2008
Kevin Barret talks with Steve Alten, author of "The Shell Game", about their respective encounters with neoconmedia, including Steve's run-in with Jim Bohanon

(75 Minutes - 22 Meg)

Thank you.

Steve. Thank you for taking the time to join our community to express your thoughts and feelings. I think it's fair to say that almost everyone here agrees with and supports you. I'm sure none of us would be perfect in such a hostile situation and even if we were, we would never be able to please everyone.
So for what it's worth, you have my respect and gratitude. And your promise to "study up," on top of your sincerity, is all anyone can ask.
There is a wealth of information in this community along with a powerful conviction and dedication to Truth and Justice. Not to mention a spirit of love and integrity and honor.
Wishing you great success with your book and your mission/efforts.

Thanks Steve...

Please see my advice.

Why isn't Dick Cheney in prison?

Alten may write good thrillers,

but he's not prepared for a practiced grilling.

Did you catch that at the very end, after Alten was not longer on air, when McConnell referred to Alten as "whack jobs like that who know how to type"?

It's remote that anyone who listens to someone like McConnell -- personally I'd never heard of him before this -- would be promising recruit material for 9/11 truth anyway.

Strange how McConnell says he doesn't interview novelists, but is making an exception here because there are 9/11 truth groups promoting the book. Huh? I'd think that, if McConnell is interested in the politics of 9/11 truth, he'd then have on prominent 9/11 truth activists or researchers, not the novelists he disregards.

Yet -- and I could be wrong about this -- I get the distinct impression that this is about the only time McConnell has had on a 9/11 truther: articulate, but unsure of his facts and rationale, Steve Alten. Why not a veteran scholar, a David Ray Griffin, a Jim Hoffman, a Steven Jones, a Richard Gage, a Barrie Zwicker, a Paul Zarembka, a Ken Jenkins, a Graeme MacQueen, a Nafeez Ahmed?

The answer, of course, is that McConnell knows how to spot those whose grasp of the facts and of argumentation is shaky enough to be slapped down by rapid-fire, rehearsed polemical sophistry. (I was struck, for example, with how Alten dropped the ball on Pearl Harbor. First of all, Pearl Harbor wasn't a false flag attack: It was a real Japanese attack that had been surreptitiously provoked and then allowed to proceed unimpeded. Unfortunately, that whole concept is probably too hard to make properly and convincingly in the context of the brief sound bites of a hyped-up radio show, so it's probably best left unmentioned. Moreover, Alten then lets McConnell get away with saying it's been thoroughly debunked, like that's that. No mention of Robert Stinnett's definitive research, for example.) It's like those Popular Mechanics staffers who debated the then-callow filmmakers of the original Loose Change, but somehow don't care to take on the likes listed above.

I wonder if it wasn't a strategic miscalculation for 9/11 truth to be promoting The Shell Game so heavily. Sure, it's fine for genre fiction readers to read it, but it may disserve us to be associated so much with an independent novelist who hasn't done his homework thoroughly and whose agenda is as much this whole thing with "peak oil" and a specific prediction about a future false flag event as with the nature of 9/11 truth. (Of course if Alten false flag prediction proves correct, that'll turn out to have been useful, but it seems very risky.)

"It's like those Popular

"It's like those Popular Mechanics staffers who debated the then-callow filmmakers of the original Loose Change, but somehow don't care to take on the likes listed above."

Good point.

The problem is that the big programs will appeal to the guests' need to sell their production or promote themselves, and they will always assume they will get it right the next time, or that it doesn't really matter.

Many activists practically begged the LC guys to have Kevin or Steve or Jim on with them for the Dem Now debate but they wouldn't.

To some extent, the person in the spotlight doesn't want to risk losing the spotlight by adding someone with knowledge they don't have. They are looking to their next article in Vanity Fair. And they don't want to ask anything of the host who has invited them to appear. They think they can do it all. But someone needs to reach out to them and help field the opportunities strategically. Besides Bill D.

I think Steve did a fine

I think Steve did a fine job, keeping his cool like that. Thanks to his appearance I'm sure there are conservative listeners who will investigate 9/11 more now than they ever would have before. And even if he is a right wing bully, a tip of the hat to the host for even letting Steve on, and for a whole half hour!

And I have seen a debunking site where there is a stopwatch going while bldg 7 falls and it does seem to fall slower than many truthers say. If we say "nearly" free fall I think we can still make the point that we need.

Loose Change Team Supports Steve!

Dear LC Supporter,

We write to you today to encourage you to participate in the Week of Truth. The goal of this campaign is to propel The Shell Game into the Top 10 of the New York Times Best Seller List. To achieve this, URGE all of your contacts to buy multiple copies of 9/11 truth telling novel - The Shell Game - between April 16 to 22nd, the focused week when the NY Times list will count those sales.
Shell Game

Reading the book will be an eye opener for those Americans who have never been exposed to 9-11 truth. Being in the Top 10 of the New York Times Best Seller List will bring 9-11 truth to many more readers but additionally, has far more potential in the form of positive media exposure.

An author who finds his/her book in the Top 10 of the New York Times Best Seller List has many perks and opportunities which perpetuate and expand on the success of the book. For example:

1. Top 10 books and authors get premium placement and shelf space in the front of the store.

2. Major merchandise outlets like Wal-Mart and drug chains purchase their inventory directly off the the Top 10 of the New York Times Best Seller List.

3. Mainstream television and radio shows shop for guests from the Top 10 of the New York Times Best Seller List. Top 10 status will generally get the author mainstream television and radio exposure. Steve Alten has pledged to bring 9-11 truth to the audiences of these programs if given the opportunity.

Steve Alten will donate $5,000 each week the The Shell Game reaches the top 10 of the NY Times best seller list, to the Feal Good Foundation.

Read more about it here:

So, head to Amazon now to buy a few copies of the book!

-The LC Team

Listen Steve...

...we all appreciate what you have done for the movement. You are helping to bring the movement to the mainstream. My only qualm is that this week of truth is being pushed so that your book gets sold and you go on tv and talk about 9/11 truth. If you are not fully prepared, if you take every piece of bait they give you, if you stumble on facts or even worse misrepresent them, you make 9/11 truth less plausible in the eyes of the viewing public, which negates the whole point of truth week. This blowhard repeatedly misrepresented the facts and you let him get away with it. Building 7 did not fall in 15 seconds, but instead of calling him on his factual error, you said "what's the difference." To us, who know 15 seconds would still be too fast, we know it doesn't matter. But to all the un-initiated, when you said 15 or 9 seconds (both of which are wrong) is just a matter of semantics, you lost them all. Instead, you should have stuck to your guns, known exactly, to the millisecond, how fast building 7 fell. You should also know exactly how fast the twin towers fell. This is so you don't take their bait, you will be able to steer the conversation in the way you want it to go, at the same time demonstrating you are the expert on the subject and they are completely unaware of the basic facts. That is how you will win with these neo-con shills. Everyone here wants you to succeed Steve, because your success is our success.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." -The Declaration of Independence, 1776

It's all a learning process.

It's all a learning process.

The difference between real people who are normal human beings, like a NYTimes bestseller author, and people who are mainly interested in their own fame and in destroying the movement, like Jim Fetzer, is that real people make mistakes and then learn and grow and change and communicate. Other people who have taken on the attack dog shows, like Fetzer, don't ever really improve or change, they only increase the nonsense, or replace one type of nonsense with another.

We have to be grateful there is a real future here and he is open and communicating.

Steve seems like a real person really trying. Remember, the kind of person who is capable of writing a best-selling novel has certain skills that are not about memorizing endless facts, but more about creating stories and growing them.

With a cue card, he can have all the most simple facts at his finger-tips and then defer all other questions to the primary researchers. There's nothing wrong with that approach. A person just has to be militant about sticking to the info. And this is a learning process. He's right, the majority of those on here have never done this kind of thing.

The other option would be for him to insist on appearing with a primary researcher (Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, David Griffin, etc). He could do that. If a program says no, then he could rely on a cue card and be militant about sticking to it, while pointing out that he wanted a primary researcher to be on with him, and since they are not, he would refer that question to them.

No one expects any author writing fiction to be an engineer and a human-computer. He just has to make sure they know who he is and that relying on the work of scientists, engineers, architects, etc. for his own research for his book does not make him one of those. He simply puts the parts together.

The blogger board here is brutal, so Steve A shouldn't assume it represents anyone in particular.

as good as it gets....

I think Steve did a good job..... that's about as good as it's going to get without being in the host's presence with the evidence and witnesses.... this clown would argues over Richard Gage or Steven Jones just the same...

1 thing I'm interested in.... Steve, do you think it's possible peak oil is a scam just like 9/11 ?

Lindsay Williams has a 1st hand account that peak oil is a scam and I would like to here your counter...


That's just one person's opinion. There are other legitimate people who hold alternative opinions.
I imagine the truth is somewhere between. I remain open minded.