thread on this site seems to have at least one of.

these people are really starting to piss me off. when people research into 9/11, nine out of 10 join the 9/11 truth movement, the other one out of ten people who are brainwashed beyond repair, turn into people like this who love popular mechanics and screw loose change. They have a counter argument (often pretty improbable and moronic counter arguments), but they seem possible to the super brainwahsed.

I like to counter these people with the testimony of Norman Mineta. They cannot debunk Norman Mineta / NORAD response to AA 77. They do not have a leg to stand on in respect to this argument. Neither popular mechanics, or 9/11 myths, screw loose change, or anyone have even attempted to address the contradictions of Norman Mineta's testimony and Richard Clarke's book. So if you run into the ultra brainwashed who love to try to debunk us, challenge them to explain the contradictions between the 9/11 commission report and Norman Mineta's testimony. Here are the questions to debunk them. (from my mineta paper)

Skeptics still maintain that Norman Mineta is only one man. Skeptics are therefore faced with the option of 9/11 being an inside job, or that Mineta was terribly confused. People who cannot fathom their government committing such atrocities find more comfort in believing that Mineta’s testimony is grossly inaccurate when faced with the horrifying alternative. Mineta’s testimony clearly places Cheney in the PEOC before the Pentagon was struck. Both Richard Clark and David Bohrer also corroborate that Cheney was in the PEOC before 9:37.
Skeptics who still doubt this logic by making irrational arguments will be unable to adequately answer the following three questions.
1. Did Mineta witness a conversation between a “young man” and Dick Cheney where the “young man” said “the plane is 50 miles out”? (Yes/No)
This question is normally answered “yes”, even by the most extreme skeptics. To argue that no young man ever came in and said those words, you would have to be under the belief that this conversation occurred in Norman Mineta’s imagination and that no young man ever said those words to Cheney. The other alternative is that he knowingly lied in his testimony by fabricating an event that he claimed to witness, knowing it was not true, with no apparent motive.
2. Did Mineta witness this conversation before or after the Pentagon was hit? (Before/After)
If skeptics answer “before”, this puts Cheney in the PEOC before 9:37. This would directly contradict the 9/11 Commission Report. So if a skeptic answers “before” the official timeline is proven wrong, without having to prove that the plane in question was the one approaching the Pentagon.
So the only option for a skeptic is to answer “after”. This answer obviously implies that the plane that was “50 miles out” was therefore not the plane that hit the Pentagon, and that the “young man” was referring to a different plane.
There is no other possible answer to this second question. It must either be one or the other, before or after. So if a skeptic answers that they “don’t know”, you have to walk them through the only two possibilities. If they answer “before” it contradicts the 9/11 Commission’s timeline, therefore their only option is to pick “after” so as to not contradict the official story. The most effective way to force an answer to this question is to say that ‘the 9/11 commission report states that Cheney entered the PEOC after the Pentagon was struck. Are you therefore saying you “don’t know” if the 9/11 Commission Report is accurate?’ Once a skeptic answers ‘yes’ to question 1, and ‘after’ to question 2, they will be unable to answer the third question.
3. If this conversation occurred after the Pentagon was hit, why would Mineta think that the young man and Cheney were discussing the plane approaching the Pentagon?
By answering “yes” to question 1 and “after” to question 2, it implies the following series of events: The WTC towers are hit, the pentagon is hit, then after this, a young man says to Cheney “the plane is 50 miles out”. Why would Mineta think they were talking about the plane approaching the Pentagon if this conversation occurred after the Pentagon was already hit? It makes no sense at all. He clearly states that he heard the young man say that the plane was 50 miles out, “during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon.” A skeptic would at the very least have to admit that it would be unlikely or strange that Mineta’s recollection of these major events could be so skewed.

#1: One slightly used 9CR. Concludes that the hijackers' source of funds is
"of little practical significance." Am I bid one cent? Anybody one cent?

#2: Another slightly used 9CR. Concludes that since the put options had no
possible connection to al Qaeda, therefore they were "benign." Am I bid one cent?

#3: Another slightly used 9CR. Changed the timeline so that Cheney's shootdown
order was safely after UA93 was already down. Instrumental in keeping Cheney on
the ticket in the 2004 election. Worth much more than one cent to Cheney!

etc.

that I'm with Whitey on this one. America is bereft of coming pitfalls, widely known or not. And DC is rife with protestors who don't know how to turn the system in on itself. Obviously it's incorrect to call such a demonstration 'fascist,' yet it could easily be called an act of 'anarchy,' -yet another poorly defined concept in the dumbed-down public's mind...

And, some formal disruption of the system is clearly in order. Which is why I do think this visual-aid does belong at the Boston Gala. The only way I can see doing it without anyone getting busted, is to place the pyre at the bottom of a culvert, (clearly no threat to property, or life,) and encourage folks to meander toward the edge and hurl their books into the somewhat distant pile. In the background hangs the banner as shown- "REJECTED." (Plus those without a copy can use whatever similar sized volume they have at hand. Someone should consider printing 300 fake covers for this purpose.)

-Now you have a dozen compelling YouTube segements circling the world.

We need someone to post snapshot site studies in any event. Otherwise, you've got an event that requires too much time-of-show coordination. Of course it wouldn't hurt to have a nice wooden squarerigger either!

**Bull Horn Rentals** - Keep in mind these alone could come to be in very short supply, unless they are covertly brought in from Kansas.

Do your protest.... and when the TV cameras show up.... everyone walk over simultaniously and toss their books onto the Whitehouse lawn..... You may get ticketed for littering.

It would sure make a great picture..... and it would take them a while to pick up 1000 books.

"Sure they (the 9-11 report books) are garbage but this is what will occur if there is a book burning."

You agree the book is "garbage" but you are afraid of a police crackdown. Many, many people have no idea it is "garbage" and accept it as the final history of 9-11. You aren't going to be able to get their attention, as is, because you can't get on network TV.

" The behavior will be construed as riotous behavior and everyone involved or even onlooking would be subject to arrest and detainment."

There may be mass arrests. True. This has heppened many times before, and it will happen many times again.

" A massive gathering in peaceful protest is the way to go."

And, as usual, it will accomplish nothing. How's that anti-war thing going for ya?

"In fact if people could plop down and stay on the mall for as long as possible it would get some news attention."

Nothing to speak of.

"People have got to be willing to sit like Cindy Sheehan or Ghandi to get some MSM attention."

Those two have clout, a standing to speak of. The "9-11 nuts" have no such gravitas.

"Burning books is going to lead to many arrests and a complete shutdown of the protests."

GOOD! More news to report. More "story" to cover. More is on the line, more at stake, more of an impact.

"Think it through. There are more effective methods."

Do you own a news network?

I would think someone mentioning Gandhi would have some historical understanding of civil disobedience.

I think there were around 3,500 signatures collected by NY911Truth submitted to Spitzer's State Supreme Court, in 2003, to no avail. They did have quite a scene outside the courtroom, where about a dozen advocates approached the Judge with questions about specific omissions.

Like I said, we're in a stew of trouble here kids. Western Europe appears to be our leading ally. That's why I think the visuals are so important, whether they remind us of effigies of Chairman Mao or not. That's a pretty funny twist in itself.

So you like dramatic art? I was just picturing Guernica meets the Rape of the Sabine Women, when suddenly, this huge replica of the Santa Maria came into view...

Ooops, here comes Snoop-doggy driving the the Blues Brothers mobile! :)

What are you people, dumb? Are you trying to give them as much ammo as possible? Fox News and all the rest of them would have a field day with the grassy knoll book burners!

"Look! I guess the 9/11 twoof movement is afraid of the facts after all!"

If you're gonna burn something in an act of public protest, how about a United Nations flag? Not BOOKS, for Christ's sake. Book burners are held in lower regard than a Michael Jackson Daycare Center. Don't spend time and money burning books; it is not a form of activism, it is not educational, it is not public outreach. It's just a publicity stunt, and one that will only attract bad publicity. Better to go out to the Federal Reserve and burn Federal Reserve notes in protest, while handing out copies of America: From Freedom to Fascism.

"Where they burn books, they will, in the end, burn human beings too." - Heinrich Heine

John Doraemi is not a "mole", you idiot.

John Doraemi has just given you a way to get 9-11 Truth on every network in America, embarass the congress into action on its first day, and make a pretty god damned unambigous statement that the 9-11 commission report is bunk.

"Fascism?"

What sort of idiots are you?

I'm not talking about burning OTHER people's books. I'm talking about burning your own copy, your own personal property.

The founders would think you nerds unworthy of further addressing.

Alexander Cockburn's line about "no useful political energy there" may be true after all.

Fascism, Naziism, Communism.

Twits.

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State

You can print the book off the internet on your own printer.

Some purchased copies should be on hand, as well as large posters with the book cover. For image.

You don't have to buy a copy to participate however.

Yes, protesting in America, no matter what your intentions, can get you arrested.

If you fear that possibility, then don't participate.

Doing nothing in a police state can also get you some problems. The point of the action is to challenge the police state, and attempt to roll it back.

More than half the public wants Bush impeached. It is not on the table. It must be put back on the table. This is one route to achieve that outcome.

Those blathering fools who think burning government lies is the same as "fascism" and "naziism" weren't going to do anything anyway. This is an idea for those who want to provoke a response, knowing that a debacle like this broadcast around the world could only cast more suspicion on the Bushies for their role in facilitating the mass murders of September 11th.

I have been hitting Myspace and sending messages to random people in different areas of the country and the world. It's usually the same message unless I can target a specific area where there is an upcomming event like the event being held in Boston.

there are nearly 13,000 myspacers in the 9/11 Truth group... one of the largest groups on myspace.

When I send messages to these people then they have the opportunity to come view my site which has links to all the pertinent websites and films. If you do not already have a myspace account I would reccomend it..... If you join you will have access to thousands of like minded people and a link to even more uninformed.

There are several resources at your disposal to teach you how to set-up your page and after that you will be connected to millions of people.

I am dedicating this week to the truth.... I am amping my page and extending my efforts.... Please do the same if you are so motivated..... We need this to be in full force when the new congress takes over.