Researcher Nico Haupt Caught Committing Hate Crime Against Church in NYC

It is with sadness that I must report that it has been communicated to me by several of the most prominent members of the New York 911 Truth movement that prolific 9/11 blogger and "researcher" Nico Haupt has been positively identified as having taped inflammatory photos - including photos of swastikas and excrement - to the walls of St Marks Church in New York City.

A frequent gathering place of various non-denomination grassroots activist groups, as well as events featuring dance, poetry and film showings, St. Marks Church is also unofficial home to

According to Les Jamieson, leader of the NY group:

"On Sunday Jan. 21st Nico Haupt came to our Sunday event at St. Marks Church. He interrupted it and caused a huge disturbance. When people tried to oppose him he just cursed them out. Then he taped a printout of the email below (archive) on the wall. I'm sorry for any shock or disgust you'll experience, but I think it's important that this be seen."

The email went on to include photos depicting prominent 9/11 activists and Websites - including 911Blogger - depicted as associated with nazi imagery, swastikas, concentration camps and excrement.

According to Nico Haupt himself:

"We're" doing this boldly because the purpose *IS* actually to indeed destabilize the top of this structure or to confuse and weaken the self-appointed leadership of this 9/11 "truth" movement.
It is done to minimize their "limited hangout" manipulations, their abusive power and to make sure that the leadership will not be replaced by similar elements.
I consider the 9/11 Truth Movement as a CULT.
We're all currently 'victims' of this cult concept, among them honest and once respected 9/11 Researchers plus former members of the 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance (2002-2006). "

I would like to commend the leadership of 911Blogger in the restraint they have shown in last several months, as the work of Nico Haupt and other activists in the movement have engaged in similar type attacks.

Unfortunately, the behavior of Mr Haupt has now transcended into the realm of legally actionable behavior. This no longer is an issue of competing theories and schools of 9/11 research - as Mr Haupt would have us believe. Mr. Haupt has now crossed a very dangerous legal red line that assaults the sensibilities and safety of the community. It is my opinion that placing swastikas on the wall of a church - dedicated towards serving the needs of the community - is a hate crime, and must be reported and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

It is therefore with sadness that I must report this to our community.

I think it only makes sense

I think it only makes sense to call for everyone to denounce actions like these. I don't care what your position, posting this type of junk in a church is totally reprehensible and should not be advocated by anyone. In fact it should be denounced by everyone.

I denounce these types of actions, and in no way consider Nico Haupt to be a part of the 9/11 truth movement, and I would appreciate others in this movement to do the same. Likewise, those who continue to put up with Nico, or consider him to be a 'researcher', or an 'activist', etc. should denounce his actions immediately as well. Being passively accepting of these types of actions is not a viable option.

Nico Haupt is an instigator, agitator, provocateur, and disinformationalist. I can state all of these as facts because I am just one person whom he has openly invented 'facts' about, and blatantly lied about. The fact that he is willing to take his form of agitation to levels like this is totally unacceptable, but the fact that such activity is all he has focused on for over 2 years makes it even worse.

This is what we get...

This seems to be what we get for tolerating Nico for so long. I am so glad I got out of NY911Truth a year ago, before things got this out of hand.

The movement needs help. Any wonder that rational and mainstream people don't want to be involved in disgusting drama like this? Certain measures of exclusivity are not always a bad thing and neither are leaders who can make qualitative distinctions and ask certain people NOT to participate in the project.

One more thing, Nico Haupt, is not the only disruptor/infilitrator/disinfo propagator/whatever out there; he's just the most visible one. Paranoia is not the solution, avoidance is not the solution, vigilant skepticism, unemotional critical thinking and decisive action is.

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I commend your courage Mr. Albanese

for taking on these professional liars and spam artists.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

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To Killtown:

Though I may vote down some comments with which I disagree, I will defend to the death your right to say whatever you wish.
"Cogito ergo sum"

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you are just

1 baby step above Nico.
Its not hard to pick out disinfo loons, looks like all of you are getting upset that your BS FAUX news like attacks are not working.

I wish there were more like you, Chris Rose

They should follow the wise advice of Dr Griffin.

''Probably even more destructive than actual disinformation agents has been the tendency of some members of the movement to label those who disagree with them as disinformation agents.'' DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, 5 Feb 2007

Now , let's see who wants to 'bury' DRG ?

They should follow the wise

They should follow the wise advice of Dr Griffin.

''Probably even more destructive than actual disinformation agents has been the tendency of some members of the movement to label those who disagree with them as disinformation agents.'' DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, 5 Feb 2007

Now , let's see who wants to 'bury' DRG ?

i agree. and thats all the Nico clowns seem to do is go around screaming that everyone is disinfo. i dont wanna bury DRG for that, he is right on the money and i suspect was speaking of the Nicos of the world when making that comment.

That's not all they do

They defame and slander people. they call people war criminals and call for their execution. Just today Rick Siegel's website carried an editorial suggesting i be put in an al qaeda detention center and tortured. they defile churches and people's good names with swastikas and feces. they disrupt events screaming and cursing. they incite violence. they forward space beams and no planes and mini nukes and keebler elves - as science - in an attempt to intentionally and deliberately discredit the legitimate search for truth.

Please do not try to hang your hat on one statement DRG said - because the situation is much more complex than that.

sure, but...

albanese and gold still seem like they have an agenda to expose patsystan as a prime suspect. hahahaHAHAHAH. the iq dept.
no disrespect, guys. y'all brought it on yourselves.

What's left to say...

That already hasn't been said about Nico 1000x over?

He is a piece of shit. I hope the police are called, and full charges are pressed.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002



let him feel the full force of the US police state :-)

Of course this should be denounced.

The acts described here (and others we've heard described recently) are entirely outside the bounds of acceptable behavior.

I think we all need to keep an eye on this guy. He may be seriously deranged or just one evil mutha, but the drama level with him is so completely over the top that we must consider the possibility that he is being groomed to be someone's patsy for something.

Deranged, disinfo or both,

Whether Nico is deranged, disinfo or both, casseia's point is well taken that this creep would make perfect patsy material. Have him commit -- or sign his name to -- an act of violence and try to smear the truth movement by association.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

Which is why

the Truth movement, as DZ suggests, MUST very publicly and vocally denounce his actions. It is also the reason why legal action will be taken. This man's actions must be documented and confronted - legally - so that there is no confusion as to who he is - and the movement's position on him.

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talk about

a desperate cry for attention.

Here is a link to Killtown's work on Webfairy:

Webfairy is of course is known for its absurdist nonsense. Search this page and you will find Killtown's hologram work.

also here:

Here he again talks about holograms - asking: "How do you know it wasn't a F**KING hologram?"

What is STRANGE about people like Killtown is how BAD they are at lying.

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you're the one

talking about holograms as a theory. slapping a disclaimer on it is pretty weak. i know of no credible researcher who seriously - or even in passing - considers holograms an appropriate subject to discuss in relationship to the deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11.

all of these denials that you never had anything to do with the proliferation of the hologram theory is absurd when you consider that your own website posts extensively on the subject.

why not post about martians and little green men - and claim that your disclaimer absolves you of all responsibility.

but - what's even MORE disturbing is that this has been pointed out to you a million times - yet - you have not thought better of it and removed the silly bullshit. you persist in showing up and attacking people here on blogger.

the fact that you show up HERE on a board where we are discussing the fact that a church was defiled with swastikas and feces - and you point fingers at others - speaks VOLUMES as to who you are.

The fact is that the majority of people who visit this site and know your work consistently vote you down. Now, i suppose you can claim that you are superior to everyone else - but - it appears that your WORK is not very appreciated here.

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couldn't agree with you more Casseia.

Er... who are we talking about?

''Probably even more destructive than actual disinformation agents has been the tendency of some members of the movement to label those who disagree with them as disinformation agents.'' DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, 5 Feb 2007

Its unfortunate

but the reality of the situation is that legal action will have to be taken. There is a legal precedent for action. Mr. Haupt's actions at St. Mark’s church, as well as his online spam campaigns, constitute an extreme form of electronic harassment that is legally actionable. Either Mr. Haupt believes is he above the law- or is banking on the assumption that no one in this community has the resources or courage to take him on. He is sadly mistaken.

I would like to ask anyone who feels they have been harassed, slandered or threatened by Mr. Haupt, or any of his circle of activists, to read the following blog:

Freedom of speech does not protect hate speech, harassment, threats, slander or defamation of character. And while every American is certainly entitled to voice their opinions, and the law gives rather wide berth to those who chose to engage in yellow journalism and rumors, these same laws are also explicitly clear on what constitutes slander – and protects all American from scurrilous accusations and intentional defamation of character.


· You may get sent abusive communications via chat or email, or you may get sent obscene or disgusting pictures.
· You may get threatened with death or bodily harm.
· You may see nasty, cruel or defamatory things written about you on someone's web site or in a post they make to a discussion group.

ACLU v. Reno, 929 F. Supp. 824 (1996).

Under the "Fighting Words" and "Hostile Audience" doctrines of First Amendment jurisprudence, the government may act to restrict speech if the speech constitutes "Fighting Words". Fighting Words means speech usually intended to be a personal insult and directed to a specific person, which by their very utterance inflict injury and tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. Fighting Words are not protected under the First Amendment because their slight social value is outweighed by the government's compelling interest in social order. See for example the cases of:

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942)
Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971)
Feiner v. New York, 340 U.S. 315 (1951) And
Cox v. Louisiana, 377 U.S. 288 (1965)

For example - the following photos were taken outside St Marks Church claiming that members of NY911Truth are "nazis" and then declaring "death to nazis."

This is not protected free speech. It is an incitement to violence and slander:

Unreal, what the hell is

Unreal, what the hell is this.

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no one said it is

but it is an example of illegal and legally actionable harassment and incitement to violence.

would you be happy if someone in that church got hurt?

but since you bring it up - the sign does indeed echo almost the exact words and accusations Nico has made online against the NY911 group. .

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so Haupt has nothing to worry about.

If you think...

Nico Haupt has contributed absolutely nothing to this movement, vote this post up. :)

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Just to fill in the gaps in your 911 knowledge, Jon

Although you may think the 911 Truth movemnt began the day you joined it, others , more experienced and perhaps more battle scarred, know otherwise.

Here is a quote from musician Michael Kane's blog.

But Victor Thorn, while interviewing my good friend Nico Haupt recently, said he first heard of Nico when he read The Lost War Drill, a good 9/11 report penned by Haupt in May of 2004. if Thorn & Wing TV “have spent more time than any other venue trying to expose the truth about 9-11,” how is it possible he had not heard of Nico Haupt until 2004? Nico has been a leader in the 9/11 research community since September 11, 2001 under his pen name of ewing2001, but has been operating under his real name since at least the summer of 2002 (likely earlier).

are some of the archives from Nico's own site which show how he was one of the first people to question WTC7 at the 911 Commission Inquiry.

And, oh, I nearly forgot. Your good friend Dr Griffin was moved to thank Nico and a dozen other names in the acknowledements at the front of his key work,'The 911 Commisssion: Omissions and Distortions.

And another ewing2001 and start counting .

Results 1 - 10 of about 11,400 for ewing2001. (0.04 seconds)

By the way , it's my first anniversary of becoming a 911 activist this week.



''Probably even more destructive than actual disinformation agents has been the tendency of some members of the movement to label those who disagree with them as disinformation agents.'' DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, 5 Feb 2007

Yea right

That guy was really ok... until he started calling people Nazis... and shoving pictures of excrement in our faces.... (let me guess--he was the one who posted that "shit" on 911 blogger too... he has quite a history of posting "shit" on the internet but that's another story) oh yea... did I mention in churches?

You have to be one of the most disingenuous bloggers....

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

coordinated smear

It just happens to coincide with Paula Zahn, CBS, and Eric Williams.

This is a coordinated smearing of 9/11 Truth.

Why doesn't somebody issue a press release announcing our assistance for the first responders? We deserve some measure of public relations retribution against the owned media. Publicity is not the reason we donated to the responders, but at some point we have to match mockingbird media chirp for chirp.

Great idea, a press release,

Great idea, a press release, sent far and wide would reach a lot of people. This act will no doubt make the news, at least locally, the REAL 9/11 Truth movement should ensure our voice is heard.

Also, I publicly denounce the actions of Mr. Haupt as well as anyone else who resorts to hate crimes, name calling, vulgarity, and obscenities to further their agenda, whatever that may be.

First Judy Wood self destructs, and now this. Anyone truly interested in exposing the Truth of 9/11 MUST act responsibly and with tact, and those working to discredit (state sponsored or not) will reveal themselves for who they are.

I say Sticky this thread, as a reminder of the true disinfo clowns we are fighting against.

I just sent an email to DRG,

I just sent an email to DRG, Kevin Barrett, Steven Jones, and William Rodriguez and asked them, as a leader of this movement, if they would be interested in issuing a press release. 

More details to come hopefully, if not, then some of us little guys and girls will have to put something together.Wink

A great idea

would be to craft some language that they can agree to add their name to.


We need a press release from an unimpeachable source (unimpeachable from the perspective of the mass media). Griffin, Barrett, etc. can release a statement simply distancing their/our research from the actions of Nico and Friends, but I don't think that will do much good. First, it publicly aligns Nico and them, even though the alignment only exists to distance them from Nico. Superficially, that's guilt by association. Second, while they should by all means distance themselves from Nico's deranged disinfo, that by itself won't be greeted as meaningful by anyone outside the movement.

I would suggest someone representing the first responders issue a press release, but they don't owe us anything. Unfortunately, by not asking first responders for assistance, we are avoiding precisely the kind of tactic used by the government to smear us (that is, Bush and Co. have posed for innumerable photos with FDNY, without any concern of looking hypocritical; Giuliani continues to exploit them).

I guess that is the price we pay for trying to play fair. But again, the first responders don't owe us anything. They have paid the highest price already.

I still think we need a public relations salvo that illustrates the constructive activities of the movement. In politics, you always try to "define" your opponent before your opponent defines you. This, of course, is what the perps have done to us so far, by smearing Barrett on CNN, aligning anti-semitism with 9/11 Truth, inserting disinfo like Nico, Fetzer, and friends, etc.

let it be known

I personally denounce all violent and hateful acts and provocations. I have never met Nico Hapt and do not wish to be associated with his tactics and views.

The people I have met since beginning my 9-11 activities have maintained a non-violent demanor. We seek answers and investigations from our public servants, and we do so by legal means. If nothing better ever comes of this pursuit, we have exercized our rights to petition, to assemble, to demonstrate and to lobby our public officials.

Rights. Use 'em or lose 'em. Threat of oppression from law enforcement and from provocateurs must not succeed. The best answer to Paula Zahn and Nico Hapt and the Homeland Security official reading this right now is more and louder peaceful action.

Isn't it great...

That Nico's new Rick Siegel paid for website has a banner for

How appropriate.

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

Jon Gold punked (A lesson in Web architecture)

(By the time most people read this, the graphic it refers to will probably be gone, but the following is self-explanatory.)

Jon: You posted an image displayed on Nico's site, a sidebar advert for You did so by linking to the URL of the image within "img" tags, which is how people normally do this.

The original image URL is
ht tp:// w w w. sci x600-2 .jpg

(I've distorted it with extra spaces to prevent displaying the image.)

So it was actually hosted on A quick search reveals that's one of Rick Siegel's. He started a company called Online TV long ago, and there's even an article written all the way back in 1996 about him owning this and other television-oriented domain names:

Anyway, using the original URL of the graphic has the effect of using the remote site's bandwidth. The remote site of course retains control over its own files -- and thus they control the content displayed by you, Jon, long as you use their URL. So it was easy to swap the image at that URL with a different image, giving it the same name.

And suddenly your embedded Scifi advert turns into the defamatory message that you, 911blogger, Albanese, Sophia, Jones and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir are all government agents (and criminally responsible for the fact that Nico's no-plane findings have yet to convince everyone in the world).

This is a common way to punk people for using remote bandwidth. (There's actually a nerd-slang term for this, but I don't remember it.) The lesson is, you only retain control of images or content if these are linked from a file hosted on a site you control.

how'd you know

about the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I thought only level 3 'assets' get that memo.

It's fixed...

By the way... Rick Siegel is also a piece of shit. Just out of curiosity, how many people think the "explosions" heard in Rick Siegel's film "9/11 Eyewitness" was actually the wind brushing against the microphone of his camera? He was on the water after all, a traditionally windy area. I've seen other videos where the wind was prevalent, and it sounded almost exactly like what Rick Siegel refers to as "explosions."

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

when 911 Eyewitness originally came out included the raw footage of his entire day of shooting. what was AMAZING was that i was watching this raw footage of manhattan AFTER Building 7 had collapsed. the city is in ruins and the smoke and dust is just wafting out over the water.

and - low and behold - those same low-frequency sounds are present. were bombs still going off a half hour after Building 7 collapsed?

i remember thinking "what the f*ck?? Didn't this guy watch his own film? Doesn't he see that those same sounds are present later in the day????"

and now we see that Rick Siegel has registered websites that promote and direct people to Judy Woods and Webfairy?

so what is this guy's angle? simple exploitation of people's misery? an affrontary to basic decency in the face of 3,000 dead people?

Rick - do you have no decency? why. WHY?? Is this all just BUSINESS? Is profiting off of the deaths of people really what you want to do in life?

Perhaps, similar to your OnlineTV paradigm you seek to simply garner increasing shares in a niche market - the online tin-foil-hat market. i would not be so critical of this if it were not for the fact that 9/11 is a solemn and open wound with many living victims and lost loved ones who are now asking you to please treat their deaths with DIGNITY.

Space beams and holograms Rick?

What would success mean for you Rick? How would you define success? I do not understand how you can even expect SUCCESS in this little operation of yours when it would most assuredly be accompanied by the collective scrutiny and scorn and condemnation of the public.

Just how do you EXPECT people to feel about the fact that you are making a mockery of the deaths of 3,000 people? One of your sites depicts a UFO shooting a laser at the collapsing towers. Rick - those are real human souls in that building - dying. How is that appropriate? Would you make a mockery of Aushwitz imagery? would you make a mockery of a graveyard where REAL PEOPLE lay at rest? Would you defile a headstone - just for laughs- or to make a political statement? Would you place photos of swastikas and feces on a church wall?

I am unsure what your motivations are Rick. I am sure you will pick this blog up on your site and make a mockery of it - claiming Area 51 aliens have eaten my brain - but - it is hard to imagine WHAT motivation could POSSIBLY justify this basic assault on common decency.

It makes no sense to me. As you know many people here openly speculate that your efforts are part of an intentional cointelpro operation. Sir - i suggest to you that this is in fact counterproductive. Even if you are to believe that some ubber-patriotic justification exists to undermine the public's basic RIGHT to ask questions associated with 9/11 - it still does not explain your defilement of holy ground - and trampling on people's emotions - the rape of people's memories of how their loved ones died - and ultimately your defilement of the Unites States Constitution.

Guilt by association

is one of their favorite tactics.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Let's see

This post is not only an attempt to discredit Rick. It discredits 911 Mysteries & 911 Revisited. Those documentaries also use "Rick's footage" of the explosions and their recordings.

These attacks on individuals does nothing more than discredit yourself and the movement as a whole.
“it is possible to fool all the people all the time—when government and press cooperate.” George Seldes - "legendary investigative reporter"

what nonsense

Rick himself has been launching a smear campaign against 911 Mysteries. He claims their film is fraudulent.

now - as for Rick - his website promote space beams and webfairy and no planes and Nico Haupt and Judy Woods and Fetzer.

Are you actually suggesting that this is legitimate research?

It doesn't discredit Rick but his work

It discredits the idea that the sounds heard in 911 Hoboken and described as explosions were explosions. In fact, these are obviously the wind on the camera-mounted microphone, and anyone who has used a video camera in a windy place will recognize it as such.

For presenting this as evidence of "explosions" and for insisting on it long after others debunked it, Siegel's work is certainly discredited.

John Albanese, for figuring out this fatal mistake in 911 Hoboken, would be discredited just a little bit if he didn't share it with us. By pointing out factual mistakes, we do each other a service. Those who then think this is a personal attack have their own issues to work out.

Sophia, if she picked up on these explosions, is merely being naive on this point. If she insists on it anyway, well then she is discrediting herself in part - as a researcher, not a person. If she makes a bunch of other mistakes, so it goes.

This all is called applying reason to observations. It's a long-running hit in philosophy, more recently science.

I think people have got to stop treating 9/11 truth like it's a reactionary, patriotic cause for which they must wave the flag blindly.

That is a very serious accusation to make

and to my mind, baseless. I have heard the explosions in a cinema and they don't sound anything like 'wind on the mic'.

Faking audio in a major 911 video would be major league disinformation and could discredit the movement severely.

oh really?

and how big were the sub-woofer speakers in the cinema?

What was the frequency response of the the mic on the cam?

what was the frequency range of the speakers in the theater?

How accurately did the audio from a videocam translate to these large speakers?

ever hear the audio from a really cheap telephone? if the person on the other end sounds like he is only 6 inches tall - he must be 6 inches tall - right?

ever blow on a microphone while recording and then play it back on a stereo system with a good sub-woofer? sounds like armageddon. start digging your fallout shelter.

and - your attempts to conflate this issue by calling it "faked audio" is quite obviously a bait and switch attempt at serious debate. NO one here accused anyone of intentionally faking audio.

although - given the fact that the promotors of this film also promote space beams and no-planes, should we really be surprised if he did?

All these questions! I think you quite missed me!

Now, you first, John, because you had your hand up first.

I have myself pondered whether sound of the explosions has been enhanced or added later as many of the 'collapse' videos do not feature such deep rumblings. I have asked Rick in emails to clarify and he has not chosen to comment. He is rightly deeply suspicious of other 'Truthers' and has had some pretty bad experiences with them , not least the alleged plagiarism of his material by 911 Mysteries.

Yes, I heard the soundtrack first in a movie theater and it sounded very realistic. You can judge for yourselves from the clip here.

There is no way it could be wind on the mic. Firstly, I have fifteen years professional experience of working in recording studios and I can tell you
what wind noise sounds like . It is nothing like that. It has quite a narrow pitch spectrum and consists of a more or less continuous medium frequency rustling sound, with perhaps the occasional gust of wind catching the mic and adding a lower frequency rumble. But on a fairly windless day like 09/11/01 In NYC it would be unlikely to have the effect of these short earthquake-like tremors. On the full-length video they sound much more like the deep rumblings of blasting from an open-cast mine or stone quarry - which I have heard in the English Lake District.

No. there are only two possibilities . Either the sounds are genuine or they have been created by a synthesizer. There is a third possibility too, which is that they were there on Rick's original footage and have been tweaked a little in the studio. I do not know if this so, and maybe Rick himself does not, as his material was all produced by Blue Star Media. What I am 100% sure of is that he is genuinely, passionately concerned that his unique and crucially important footage is seen by as many people as possible. If you have not seen it urge you to do so.

What matters is that the film shows with horrifying clarity the nature of the demolitions of WTC1, 2 and 7.

It is also worth noting that there are earwitness accounts of explosions corresponding with the ones on 911 eyewitness.

explosions or wind-noise

First let me say i think Rick Siegels movie is crap. Ive seen it before i got interested in 911 (trough other infos), and it never convinced me at all.
But, as an experienced field recordist i have to say that the sounds that can be heard in the clip posted above,
the rumbling at 0:40 - 0:44 does indeed NOT sound like wind-noise. That sound has a very low resonant quality to it, which wind-noise doesnt achieve, *normally*. (I could be wrong here, but as said, it does at least not sound like wind noise).
It would at least require some processing (such as filters with resonance) to achieve that sound from wind-noise, unless its a pretty special microphon (and weird compression algo used or whatever...).
There *is* wind-noise present in that video, all over the place, but the sounds at 0:40.. are different.
Now that doesnt change my view on the video as a whole, but anyway, wanted to point this out....


Why are you posting to this site under multiple names?



doesn't really believe in DEW. He refused to answer my question:

What would force you to accept that the DEW theory is wrong? What evidence would convince you that it is wrong?

Instead of making statements he asks questions like: "it isn't on FOX so it must be true!!". Instead of debating he just gives intellectually dishonest statements and questions.

It's very transparent. I'm not saying it's wrong to believe in DEW, but if you are going to, at least be honest about it!

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

That's it, 1 more vote and an hour's careful work will be burie


Good little workers - aren't you?

Who are you working for?

Not 911 truth , that's for sure.

Thank God I am not you. I shall be able to look my nephews in the eye and say, "I was part of the 911 truth movement. I was one of the few people who talked about the demolitions and how they were done while many panicked and got scared and retreated into a fudge. They all forgot quickly enough when it turned out that I was right.''

Everyone who thinks I

am working more for 9/11 truth than Andrew can vote this comment up. Your accusations are hilarious and have about as much merit as the space beam theory you "claim" to believe in.

p.s. I knew you were lying when you said you wouldn't be back. Did I embarrass you too much when I exposed the fact you don't believe what you say?

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

I don't believe in any one theory

like David Ray Griffin, I have an open mind.

It is you who are the dogmatic one.

I'll go with Dr Griffin on this .


Unlike you I have actually looked at the theory. You just pretend to support it with disingenuous statements.

This is the only other name I use and I told you it was me

so there's no big deal about it.

Why Hereward? Well , Hereward the Wake was the leader of the surviving English after the Norman invasion of 1066, and is an ancestor of my family through my father's mother (nee Wake-Walker). He was a brave guy and went on resisting the invaders after most people had surrendered.

Secondly, I vowed never to post here again so this is the only way I can do so without looking like a liar ;-)

Jon - are you saying there were no explosions?

And this is how Rick Siegel's website is covering this story

9/11 stalker Albanese seeks fascist allies in jihad on researchers

Submitted by MormonWatch on Mon, 2007-02-05 00:38.
John Albanese, a semi-literate Manhattan man, is pressuring local prosecutors to jail a 9/11 researcher who distributed anti-Nazi literature at a recent meeting.

NY911truth co-founder Nico Haupt handed out anti-Nazi literature at a Jan. 21 meeting of the organization.

Disturbed by the anti-Nazi literature, Albanese now seeks a fascist prosecutor to jail Mr. Haupt for "hate crimes." "Hate crime" laws are of course anti-=American and contrary to the Bill of Rights. It is an idea from the dystopian totalitarian of George Orwell.

Albanese's anti-American actions may leave him open to facing trial on treason charges in the future.

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Treason? Is Nico president of the United States? How is it treason to oppose the actions of Nico Haupt?

And - if taping photos of swastikas and excrement to the walls of a church is heroic - and opposing it is "treasonous" - I simply suggest we take this to the courts and allow Mr. Haupt and Siegel explain themselves to the judge, media and people of this great nation.

Let them explain to the judge the "Orwellian" injustice of not being allowed to put up swastikas in a church. Perhaps the judge will seek psychiatric tests.

Jim Fetzer: Signs of Disinformation

“One of the telling signs of many disinformation artists (who may or may not be gainfully employed by some "shadowy government agency") is that a lot of their claims are simply too strong to be true.”

“I am not suggesting that any of them works for the NSA, the CIA, or the FBI. That creates an exaggerated version of the situation as I see it that makes it easy to satirize. I have no idea why they are doing what they are doing. But there are ample grounds based upon past experience to believe they are abusing logic and language to mislead and deceive others about the state of research on the death of JFK. On the basis of my experience with them, I believe this is deliberate. Their function appears to me to be obfuscation.”

“There is a serious disinformation movement afoot, one that finds the work of those they attack to be too good to ignore…[it] is the major obstacle to the search for truth about the death of JFK.”

Jim Fetzer, Signs of Disinformation 

He is starting to sound like Nico Haupt more and more every day. They are getting desperate.

Submitted by Jim Fetzer on Sat, 2007-02-03 23:04.

“And why does he have to persist in misrepresenting the positions of others?[opinion and straw man arguments ironically offered as evidence] He commits straw man fallacies I spent 35 years teaching freshmen to avoid. [Opinion offered as evidence, appeal to authority]

THIS is the sign of a scholar? [Ad-hominem] No, this is the sign of a FRAUD. [Ad-hominem, opinion/straw-man offered as evidence] Neither Judy nor I is "promoting" an energy-beam-from-space theory, other than to advance it as an [sic] HYPOTHESIS. [Absurd and illogical—a hypothesis is rejected when contradictory evidence is presented] I offered the CONJECTURE that WTC-7 may have been the source of the energy required [see previous]. I was not endorsing a CONCLUSION [irrelevant—the hypothesis must be rejected as well as any conclusions IMPLIED] but a theory about the case. Without conjectures and theories, inquiry is impossible. [Straw-man—His position is not that inquiry is wrong—it is that absurd theories using faulty data are wrong] Doesn't he know? [Don’t you?] This fraud [ad-hominem] talks the talk about science [so do you—but you don’t use the scientific method, you use your own], but his understanding of and commitment to genuine science is superficial and incomplete.” [Your comments are divisive and illogical]

I could offer a further analysis of this ad-hominem rant but there would be no point. Jim Fetzer discredits himself further with every passing day. His criticism should be directed at himself and the rest of the disinformation artists that he implicitly supports.

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Be prepared

for their fallback position. Plan B is sure to follow.

Hey Nico...

Karma is a BITCH!!!
"Cogito ergo sum"

Show "Nico Haupt set up by John Albanese to practice "lawyerly" skills" by gritzle70
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Yes - i set him up

i forced him to deface a church with swastikas and feces.

Show "Oooh Noooo!!! Nico did the" by u2r2h

cry us a river

you can spin your tortured pretzel logic into the spineless vertebrae of a jellyfish - but the simple truth is that Nico does not have a blank check to harass and defame people. Period.

all the linguistic artisanship in the world will not stop the common people from reclaiming the truth.

9/11 Skeptic Incarcerated for "Evaluation"

Post proofs that brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit by postponing it pretend.
~~Norman Corwin




FROM: Veterans for 9/11 Truth
Sunday, February 04, 2007

Alfons interviews Michael Cook: Michael Cook accused George Bush of being complicit in the 9/11 attacks, he is now being incarcerated for psychology evaluation by the federal government. Michael Cook.mp3 --- Read More -

This is a brief history of my legal problems. There are potentially lucrative lawsuits in the information presented here, and much more in information not presented here, for attorneys willing to take them on. I have no criminal record and a very respectable background.
In April of 2005, I shared information on the attacks of 9/11/01 with my teaching assistant. I was working as a special educator....

....For folks who are interested, please feel free to write letters to me at Club Fed. Reading and writing letters helps pass the time, but the more letters I get the more the feds will know that folks are watching this case, thereby making it more difficult to railroad me further.

Peace through Truth and Justice,


....Mailing address at the Federal Medical Center- (FMC- Free Mike Cook!)

Michael Cook
P.O. Box 14500
Lexington, Ky. 40512-4500


hmm... The "founder" of Scholars for 9/11 Truth is promoting

space-beams, while the "co-founder" of NY 9/11 Truth is taping pictures of swastikas & feces to a church.

Sounds like staged material from which to fabricate new hit pieces against the real truth movement.


Nico Haupt was NOT one of the founders of NY911Truth. NY911Truth was started by Miles Thompson, Cristian Flemming and Nicholas Levis. Nico showed up after the fact. He never had ANY control over the website or formally distributed materials.

The rumor that he was a co-founder of the NY movement was started by...(drum roll please)....Nico.

The only HIT Piece is the HOT piece that the disinfo artists create. The movement is now in a position to protect itself - and will.

You guys are dumber then a fence post

I cant beleave you people couldnt see through this dip shit long ago. I was brought up in the sticks and I still hang out with the same people I grew up with and we all can read people like a book. I still cant beleave you couldnt see this guy coming. It is tour fault ny911truth that you let this idiot do damage to this movement . All this fuckface is is a set up man

You know what they say about common sense.
Its not common

Lets just say We've learned

So that as of right now, We have distanced ourselves away from dumbass Nico, but separating ourselves totally can't be done unless it is done publicly. Which is that We can say Hey, these are what lenghts these people will go to discredit us. Thats a positive We can use. And By the way Killtown, anything you say that goes by the "See I told you so" falls on deaf ears here, simply because you supported the NPT with Nico. So STFU.

Show "911truth mahgi=dude" by DEADPOOPOO666

Ah, that gratuitous invective...again

...reminds me why I keep my distance from headbangers.

Show "pussy" by DEADPOOPOO666


I can assure you that Mr. Gabel does not have a vulva.

I however do--and inspite of that I'm as strong as most men my size. So watch your step, sunshine, unless you want a kicking.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


Enjoy that COURAGE.COM--

--in the safety of your mum's basement. ;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


Nico Haupt has been positively identified as having taped inflammatory photos - including photos of swastikas and excrement - to the walls of St Marks Church in New York City.

any chance of seeing these photos?

I'm sick of all these

I'm sick of all these clowns, I can't believe they call themselves "Researchers". Nico Haupt, “Killtown”, Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds, Rick Siegel and "WINGTV", are all just completely detrimental and quite frankly it appears by design.

Unintelligent design

Unintelligent design. Their apparent religion.

Hey Dem, since you don't think we are "researchers"

Why don't you post your URL so everybody can scrutinize YOUR "research"?

It's easy to play armchair researcher.


Focus on the botched crash scene at Shanksville.

Nico Haupt - Still Not Getting It

It appears that Nico Haupt still does not get it.

He has published his mia culpa today, explaining the logic behind his actions. They, in my opinion, fall far short of anything even approaching an acceptable apology.

Mr. Haupt refers to his actions as 'nazi-satire'.

I think one of the things that makes Mr. Haupt's actions so objectionable is his utter lack of respect for the people around him. What he refers to as "nazi-satire" consisted of comparing members of the 911 Truth movement to nazis.

What could be more inappropriate that distributing photos of people in this movement with swatstikas super-imposed onto their photo?

This is in fact a form of harassment that is actionable under the law, and I am doing everything possible to offer those who have been victmized by Mr Haupt the legal resources to take action.

One must wonder from which planet Mr. Haupt originates in which it would be considered appropriate or funny to show photos of Auschwitz - super-imposed with the image of a 911 activist (someone he has been attacking relentlessly online). This is an insult to those who died in Auschwitz - as well as the victim of this harassment.

Mr. Haupt then goes on - yet again - to smear Mr Les Jamieson of NY911Truth with viscious accusations that Mr. Jamieson is a member of a religious-based CIA cult.

Now - many of us here may know that Mr. Jamieson and I have had our differences in the past. But, the behavior of Mr. Haupt towards Mr. Jamieson is inexcusable and deplorable - and should be condemned unanimously by all of us, regardless of whatever personal differences we may have. Mr. Haupt's behavior is nothing short of slander and defamation of character - and if he allowed to continue this behavior unchecked - he threatens the safety of all of us.

Let us be clear. Comparing people to nazis, during these volatile times when our movement is being compared to anti-semitism and holocaust denial - is DANGEROUS. Mr. Haupt must NOT be allowed to simply threaten the safety and peace of mind of those he disagrees with. It is harassment - and a dangerous incitement.

It appears that Mr. Haupt has reached a crossroads in his life. For too long now Mr. Haupt has been given a blank check - and has remained unchallenged in his attacks.

Unfortunately, Mr. Haupt is on the cusp of finding out the hard way that he is on the cusp of facing up to his own web of deceipt - and answering for it - and no amount of online blogging and BULLSHIT is going to protect him from answering to the authorities.

Mr. Haupt has a choice to make. Mr. Haupt should seriously consider retiring from 911 activism - permanently - or face the consequences.

Where is this article?

And who's picture has he decided to swastika-ize?

"We've been offered a unique opportunity and we must not let this moment pass."

— George W. Bush - State Of The Union Address - January 29th, 2002

I'd also like a dirrect link

I'd also like a dirrect link to his appology. It doesn't sound like the one you'll find here:

the work of someone who wants to annoy him-- ALOT. Not like Nico's offended anyone...

So, yeah, it'd be interesting to read what kind of "apology" he's actually given unprompted.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

The article

Thank you. "though it was

Thank you.

"though it was obviously not appropriate to bring it to a 'church'."

So why did he do it, if it was so "obviously" inappropriate?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

John Albanese. Regarding your comments about Hoboken...

I am in no way endorsing Siegals views in this post, but I have a hard time accepting 100% the argument that the "booms" heard in his film was the wind. A possibility, yes. I am not familiar with all of the "debunking" of his film. I realize the film makes assumptions, but I feel that his footage is important. Some reasons why I feel like the booms are probably not the wind is the way they sound and when they are heard. The sounds from his footage coincide with the oral history testimonies. These testimonies include pre-collapse explosions, 3 large booms (which can be heard on his footage of the South Tower, I believe), crackling firecracker type noises (which can be heard on his North Tower footage) and lower level flashes (which can be seen in the core in his North Tower Footage). One of the booms is interesting. This is the first boom of the North Tower. The thing that stands out with this boom is the ringing quality it has. It almost has an echo type effect, which leads me to believe it is indeed an audible boom rather than the wind. Someone mentioned that they heard these same booms after WTC7 had already collapsed. This is true. It happens during the radio interview of one of the eyewitnesses to WTC7's collapse. What are these booms? Bombs? Maybe. Wind? Maybe. Nothing is off the table yet in my mind. We don't know the perps total plan. They may have needed to destroy some other evidence after 7 fell. There might have been devices that failed to go off at the right time.

Enlighten me with some other ideas, as I find the raw footage of his compelling. Keep in mind, I do not agree with the interpretation of his film.

---From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious..very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me..You were right. I know the truth about 9/11.

I really do not have too much to add to this debate

other than to say that is it debatable.

but - just for the record - the oral history of people who heard explosions described much higher popping sounds - like a quick sequence of explosives.

These very deep rolling booming sounds that supposedly reached New Jersey are inconsistent with what many people experienced.

but - the the real reason i am sceptical is Mr Siegel's history since - promoting lies and disinformation.

I listened to the north tower clip last night...

and there is no way I can accept the arguement that the booms are the wind. The booms are too mythodical and they ring too much to be the wind. The only thing that I would accept thus far as a counter arguement is that the booms were added, which is what I originally thought when I saw the video because it seemed too good to be true. I can understand that you question his evidence since he has some whacky views.

---From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious..very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me..You were right. I know the truth about 9/11.

I really don't care

The source of this video now promotes space beams and no planes and mini nukes and holograms. But you know that already.

I understand...

His opinions are damaging. Do we know for sure if the so-called "booms" are on the original raw footage, or could they have been added? Does anyone know if there is a way to tell? Do you really think that the booms could be the wind? How did you come to this conclusion?

You said earlier that the oral history included higher pitch popping sounds. I would argue that some of these are on the Eyewitness footage, but you have to listen closely. In the North Tower footgage there is a crackling/popping/ripping sound before the tower begins it's collapse. It sounds similar to the Seattle Kingdome demolition (a quick ripping sound as the explosives go off in a quick succession). We have to keep in mind that this was filmed from across the bay and the higher pitched sounds will not travel as far as the lower pitch booms. Bass travels, just like when you hear someone bumping their radio in their car. All you hear is the bass until it gets closer.

If I am reading you right, it seems that you reject the footage because of his whacky space-beam, no-plane views. Darn those space-beam, no-plane people!

---From a decon @ my church: "I want to tell you something very serious..very serious, but I don't want you to say 'I told you so'. I want you to forgive me..You were right. I know the truth about 9/11.

Albanese admits he has no care for facts

Thanks for admitting that you only care about smearing 9/11 researchers.

"I really don't care" -- John Albanese

Show "Where are the pictures?" by zark

Maybe you should read my original blog

There is a direct link to the photos. Look for the word "Archive."

All of them pictures?

He walked into a church, a place for prayer, worship and public religious services, where you were having a '911 Truth' meeting and started putting up all those pictures?

While you were sitting in the pews, he began placing all those pictures around you?

I dont geddit.

Were you all there for Mass and then having a meeting after the service?