To 9/11 “Conspiracy Debunkers”: I’m Calling You Out…Show Up or Shut Up!

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This message is addressed to all the deniers and nay sayers who have spent almost six years swearing to the lies of the official story of 9/11. It is high time to throw down the gauntlet and dare you to confront the questions that have to be answered. Consider it done

You won’t let us speak to you in public and you won’t attend our events. So tell me, who exactly is running and hiding…and why? It sure as hell is not any of us in the 9/11 truth movement. We’ve been out there with the facts and evidence just waiting for you to respond and show us where we are wrong and you are right, face to face and in public! Not one of you has ever responded and we’re damn tired of waiting.

And so, there really is only one way to go right now: the 9/11 discussion either has to end immediately or it has to go public full force! I am personally calling out the people who continue to cling to the official story! Bring your experts, bring the 9/11 Commission, bring your debunkers and openly debate me and the team I put together. If you hear us out and answer our questions honestly in a public and open forum, we’ll go away! If not, we want mainstream televised coverage of the research we have done.
If you can’t answer our questions, ALL OF THE QUESTIONS, the verdict will be obvious. If you refuse this challenge, your silence will show that you have no explanations and no defense to support the official story of 9/11. If you refuse to respond, you lose by default. Simple as that.

The burden of proof must now shift from the people with questions to the people who have given us the official explanation of the events of 9/11. Your explanation does not hold water. We can prove that. Can you prove that it does? If yes, then do so, and let us go back to our normal lives. If you can’t the American people better wake up and begin to understand what that means. And the American people had better be prepared to do something about it!

So come on Larry King, Oprah Winfrey, Regis, let’s do a few hours in front of America and see how the questions impact your viewers. Let’s dedicate a week of TV coverage, COMPLETE COVERAGE, to this vital issue. And I’ll set the agenda, not you. I won’t let you edit the segments and then bring on your hit men to talk about the issue with out our representatives there! No more playing by your rules because you are liars and I can prove it.

I’m ready to do this. Are you? Right now, either put up or shut up! - Jesse –Editor,

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If you ever make this happen, I would be more than happy to be apart of your team.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

debunkers can't debunk

debunkers can't debunk Mineta's testimony. for most other arguements we have, they at least have some sort of explanation. but they no longer have a leg to stand on with respect to mineta.


Are some of the most dishonest, aggressive, angry little people I've ever encountered.

Ask any of them if there are any cover-ups regarding the 9/11 attacks, and watch them ignore you.

I don't know, but it seems to me that if you research 9/11 IN THE SLIGHTEST, you're bound to come across at least one cover-up.

Which again, shows their level of honesty, or lack thereof.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


.......send this to Rosie.Could'nt hurt.


Too many letters. I've been contacting her everyday asking if she would attend the first responders benefit concert in NY.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I like it...

That's a very well put together argument for discussion. I fear that it will be ignored, as always, but it's worth a go. I'd love to follow that live over the Internet if possible. If only we could get this actual challenge out into the mainstream media.

Digg it

I've got a decent wifi in my local public haunt...

If this is conducted with a live webcast component, along with active blogging (ya right, "as if" we'd have it any other way)... I'll carve out a large corner section, have several local truthers sitting in as what should be one of many "satellite panels", with live interactive audience... and go to town against any and all comers.

McLean Virginia, is ready for this kick in the balls.

Hear! Hear!

They don't get off easy either!
Let's do it. time to draw a line in the sand!

add here too!

Jesse's Challenge

I saw this earlier today on Jesse's blog and was going to post it. I see you beat me to it. Good work. I doubt if any of the NWO cowards will tale him up on his challenge but one never knows. I too would LOVE to be on the debating team. I just love to rip apart the "Official Version" of what happened on 9/11. I love to see the look on their faces when you call their lies and hit them with some 9/11truth. I get off on it!

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I don't recall...

Ever getting an email from you. Tell me James, is George W. Bush or Dick Cheney capable, as human beings, of murdering 2,973+ people?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


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"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

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You didn't answer my question. Are they capable?

How about Bill Clinton? Is he capable of murdering 2,973+ people?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

Maybe it's irrelevent, but

Maybe it's irrelevent, but it's not irrelevant, knowing all the murders they are behind in Afghanistan and Iraq..

I condemn the terror attacks started on October 7, 2001 and march 20th 2003!!!

The coalition of the killing must stop their immoral and illegal wars now and pay reparations to these innocent people who had nothing to do with 9/11!

The purpose of the question...

Was not to prove complicity, but served two purposes... to see if he was just a partisan hack trying to protect Bush, and to "debunk" the idea that because they are President and Vice President of the United States they are incapable of murder.

I know they are MORE than capable of murdering 2,973+ people. They have killed anywhere from 655,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis. They have killed 100+ 9/11 First Responders with more expected deaths on the way.

Since he wouldn't answer the question, that shows me that he is dishonest, and a partisan hack trying to protect Mein Fuhrer.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

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Please share with us...

How you came to this conclusion:

"By carrying on your ridiculous theories you distract from the real mistakes that the administration has made. "

You lot go on and on at your little disinfo blog about how we're not being effective or credible. Now you're saying we're distracting? It's one or the other, sunbeam, either either we have influence or we don't. CHOOSE.

Also, please share with us what are, in your opinion, the "real mistakes the administration has made".
But I bet you'd prefer to go back to your "Holocaust denial=911Truth" dog and pony show. The whole guilt by associasion is definitely easier to manufacture than sincere critizism of Bush & Co., innit?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

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Sorry, if we have a

Sorry, if we have a potential to distract --and I assume you think we ARE NOT distracting now-- why does you blog even exist? Wouldn't it be better to just ignore us?

I asked you what mistakes YOU think the administration has made--and since this administration has used 9/11 as an excuse for war and to excuse all critizism, yeah, it IS relevant in a blog about 9/11.

Don't chicken out now, sunbeam--what mistakes do YOU think the administration has made? Or are you afraid of what you're neo-con gun-ho fans will think if you say? Remember, it's not a popularity contest...

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"We are always the first one

"We are always the first one to criticize these idiots. "

And yet somehow you've missed Nico Haupt. Oi! Everyone!--James claims to have never been to Nico's site--inspite of the fact his partner Pat blogs Nico material on a semi constant basis. For someone who claims to be always ON it, a rather odd ommission--the wackieset and jackiest of the "twoofer disinfo club".

"If we were interested in disinformation, we would let these guys become big before attacking them."

Instead you HELP make them BIG. And that's part of disinfo. Godd job! I'd have never heard about Ms. Wood if it wasn't for you lot.

"As for specific mistakes, they certainly handled Iraq poorly, the policy has been confused on numerous accounts."

Such as?

"This brings me to another point as to why liberals should be more opposed to these theories. "

I thought you debunks were of the opinion 9/11activism was more a right-wing thing. I don't agree--it's cross party--but that's what I've read at SLC.

"They require Bush to be some type of evil super genius. "

No, that's a debunk's over blown interpretation. Most of us, liberal or libertarian, understand Bush is little more than a puppet. You only reveal a) how lilttle you've read about /talked to real live 911activists and b)how simplistic your understanding of politics is(or would have us believe.)

As for the rest, there were plenty of hitchs--nothing ever goes as planned--just not enough to derail the op.

Now are you going to back off with that 911activsm=Holocaust denial/Nazi lying rubbish? Just thought I'd take the chance to ask you dirrectly.

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"Well if Bush is just the

"Well if Bush is just the puppet, could you ask the real powers to be to help him out a little then? He could really use it."

You don't grok the purpose of a puppet ,do you. And WAY to miss the point. You want to believe we think Bush is evil incarnate. I pointed out we see Bush as a puppet. Ergo, you are WRONG about us thinking Bush is an evil madman with superpowers. And therefore it is the real powers--Cheney, Bush 41, etc. who bear the responsibility for 911 and the war in Iraq. So why would we ask THEM for ANYTHING? That didn't make sense.

"And sorry, when we come across cases of 9/11 deniers being Nazis and Holocaust deniers (or fringe wackos of any stripe), we are still going to talk about it. We are not going to censor ourselves, just because you don't like us mentioning it."

You are inventing cases--or exagerating cases, or again, like with Wood, making the hardly known well known and then claiming its a BIG part of 911Truth. Most people call all that some species of LYING or SLANDER. Holocaust deniers are a TINY fringe of ANY group, but you GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to make it look like the center of 9/11activism. Tell me that's not LYING.

You don't recognize a warning, do you? Or are you testing the waters? That why you sent Sword of Truth to try to provoke me on your blog? Calling me--not implying, mind, but calling me a Nazi? Which I think is a scream, but it doesn't make you debunks look very good, does it?

And what about my other questions--they too scary? Or should I post them at Screw Loose? Or some other place more personal?

And while we're at it, how did you lot track down the fake "Pat"? I think that's what Pat told me, but don't quote me.

And isn't it interesting, that you know you have to take crazy wacked out Jenny seriously, because you KNOW the alternative is worse?

Well, cheers for answering SOME of my questions. I wait with baited breath for the rest...

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My Spleen; to vent or not to vent.

I suspect JamesB is either immune to empathetic emotion for the human condition, and/or highly skilled at putting it out of his mind... the human condition that is... either way, he's quite the specimen. I doubt that any technical background, experience, nor highly chiseled position on 911 would/will/can EVER reach him on honestly intellectual terms.

I've got a nickel to bet, that JamesB will feign dumbfounded with "why me? look at what that says about Erin!"... should I dispense with his steadfastly re-couched re-framed and ever ground-shifting "debate"... and just vent my spleen.

Hand over your nickels, and I'll just keep my spleen to myself anyway.

Sure thing, JamesB-n-friends... stand your ground and hold on with all your might... as the the butterfly wings of truth generate Hurricanes Of Change.... decimating your world view... like it or not.


How poetic of you!:-)

I've warned him if he doesn't come back and answer I'll post these questions on his blog--and I'm not talking about Screw Loose.

The threat has kept him coming back so far--but he might have decided he's answered all he needs to to save face. So now Jenny has to follow through--but it'll have to wait until the gardening is done.

You think it's only going to take a couple of minutes, but three hours later--damn the Internet!

BTW--his personal blog is "the Chief Brief"--there's a link at Screw Loose on the side bar. Just in case you feel inspired...;-)

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

I don't see this administration as incompetent

in the least. Exactly what are their failures?

They have managed to coax much of the American public into accepting a rollback of civil liberties the likes of which this country has never seen. They convinced the American public to support two illegal wars of aggression against countries that did nothing to America. Even worse, the alleged enemies here (Taliban, Hussein, Bin Laden) are all former allies of the very people now denouncing them as pure evil.

The administration has passed tax cuts for the rich, exploited war profiteering like nobody's business, and bullied the press into a state of absolute docility. They have suspended habeas corpus and legalized torture. They have suppressed investigation of the worst terrorist attack in the country's history, and sold the public an explanation so completely ludicrous it seems only you, James, and your toadies believe it.

The alleged incompetencies of this administration (i.e., the blunder in Iraq) are, to my mind and in their eyes, their greatest successes. They have established multiple superbases in Iraq and Afghanistan, which guard the oil and present possible staging grounds for future invasions. And they have exploited those serving in the armed forces with stop-gap measures and extended tours.

This supposedly incompetent administration has achieved a near-dictatorship in America, and people like you are still running around calling them stupid. I'm sorry but their stupidity has been quite effective.

You sound...

Like someone I know... ;)

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton


....well said...they are only "failures" if someone still clings to the antiquated, naive notion that our government's real purpose is to serve the interests of the American people as a whole.

Of course, we all know now that their real purpose is to generate more wealth and power for their corporate masters, the money masters (MIC, Big Oil, International Bankers, Zionists). The American people are to be used as means to serve the ends of their sponsors (as pawns in the military meat-grinder, as consumers, as tax-payers, as cheap labor).

And their goal is to keep the wars going as long as Americans will continue to participate in (and be used by) the "system" (see above, see Vietnam). When the American public is finally exhausted by war (temporarily), they will put a Democrat in and use Global Warming as the Next Big Fear, to consolidate wealth further.

The neo-cons have been a colossal SUCCESS to their true employers/benefactors (the events of the last 6 years were carefully planned beforehand; those goals are why this group was installed in power)....just not a success for the American people....but we don't really count for anything, except as tools to be manipulated.

Precisely, simuvac

Everything is going according to plan.

Nothing to see here (pay no attention to the men behind the curtain!).

Move along now.

* * *

Tens of millions are not buying it and more are finding the truth every day.

(JamesB, do you have a ranch in Paraguay? Are your bags packed?)

We are fast approaching the tipping point, brothers and sisters, keep up the great work!

Be well.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

they are espeacially incompitent.

(or at least there puppet masters are). The largest and most critical mistake they failed to asess was that force feeding an engineered world view to a population has always ended in total failure...reguardless of intent. maybe they think because they have a better technology, things will be different.

Chickening out on the rest of the questions, are you?

Cluck, cluck!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

JamesB = poultry

Bawk! *scratch, scratch...peck* Bawk!

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Cluck, cluck! *peck--scratch*


Still waiting, Jimbo...

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Yeah Bush is dumb as a box

Yeah Bush is dumb as a box of rocks, no arguement there...but as I recall it wasnt Bush who had control of our military during the attacks.
As far as Im concerned, he was in that classroom for 1 reason and 1 reason only....plausible deniability.
Hence the lack of maintaining protocol by the Secret Service.
So, other than sitting there looking like a complete idiot, his only involvement, (other than knowledge)
could have been to recite the prewritten talking points and rally the country around the know...cheerlead.
I assume you dont think Cheney is quite as "intellectually challenged" as Bush, correct?

It's not...

A "stupid question" when I'm trying to ascertain your level of honesty.

I do not, and have never promoted space beams. A lie? A distortion? 99.99% of the movement does not promote or endorse space beams. A lie? A distortion? Yet, people like you jump on it, and act as if we promote it because you know, as do we, that it makes us look bad. I have been one of the biggest opponents of Space Beams, Mini Nukes, CGI, TV Fakery, Exotic Weaponry, No Planes, and Holograms.

Tell me why appointing Philip Zelikow to be in charge of the 9/11 Commission wasn't a "real mistake" on the part of Dubya.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

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You're talking out your arse, Jimbo

There are plenty of people who sympathize but don't agree with say the Jersey Girls, and see that Judy Woods, et al. are just wacko jacko.

How old are you, anyway? There are teenagesrs who have more sophisticated analytical skills.

Oh, and don't forget MY questions above--unless you're too chicken...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Sorry, but...

We are the 9/11 Truth Movement. Not the "conspiracy theory" movement. A lie? A distortion?

I happen to think Flight 77 hit the Pentagon James. Of course, because there are 80+ tapes remaining that our Government refuses to release, I can't quite say with 100% accuracy that that is the case.

You would be correct to say that this movement is FILLED with theories about that horrific day.

The reason those theories exist James, is because those who should answer our questions REFUSE TO DO SO.

It is human nature to want to know why, how, who, when, where, what, and so on.

Especially when it involves the murder of 2,973+ innocent people. Especially when the murder of those 2,973+ innocent people is used to further fascist agendas that have no place in this country, or on this planet.

Your reference to the "No Scotsman" argument is not accurate. I do think the Bush Administration and others are more than capable of murdering 2,973+ people. It is you that refused to answer whether or not they were capable of it, and you have yet to answer that question.

And James, I KNOW you're an idiot.

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

I'm sick of the ridiculous theories too...

Like the one the NTSB is promoting with their reconstruction of Flight 77's data recorder flight path. They show it north of the Citgo gas station with a trajectory that is too high when we all know it was south of the Citgo station, while hugging the ground, hitting the downed light poles. In addition, those 2 Pentagon police officers also report the northern trajectory. These are some ridiculous theorists!!!

(sarcasm intended)

Edit: To clarify, I am not a "no planer or a missle theory" at the pentagon guy. I admit, I have no clue what happened there.

it's ok, Jon, I knew your

it's ok, Jon, I knew your question was rhetorical.

Interesting that you mention Der Führer, because of all the similarities.Anyone interested in 9/11 should study up on Europe's fascist history from 1920 to 1945, especially the propaganda and the false flag attacks. Not only was the reichtags fire a false flag, but so was the attack on Poland. Hitler also spread malicious lies about the leader of the SA, Ernst Röhm, whom he had murdered , so he could take final control of the German army with his SS forces in 1934 after the Night of the Long Knives.. I wonder when we'll see that happen here. I have a feeling there's not going to be a new president in 2008, rather a false flag attack to install marshall law and dictatorship.

I don't think so

I can't imagine it would be any easier to get a lid on say L.A. or the midwestern militias than it is on Baghdad and the Mahdi army. Instead, they're aiming for another good cop era to pacify dissent and seemingly restore normality while quietly advancing their agenda just like under Clinton. Obama would be the ideal good cop, so expect even more hype.

interns < internets

RE: good cop era

And if so it will be a great opportunity for WE THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER to organize, consolidate an alternate infrastructure and unplug from the parasitic bastards.

There's already an established alternate community that I mostly get along with, but their leaders have to stop projecting their pouting alienation and start retaking the hearts and minds of regular folks who also want economic, energy and food independance.

Jenny sees possibilities...a dem in the White House WILLgive us breathing room to WORK HARDER--no time for complacency!

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nice try!

"regarding the whole missiles at the Pentagon argument. He dropped that discussion like a hot potato."

Dylan made it a point to weed out any discussion that can be used to make the 9/11 truth movement appear like nutjobs. This includes ambiguities like "missile at the pentagon". We prefer to stick with topics that are demonstrably provable. What happened at the pentagon is ambiguous. The only discussion that should take place regarding the pentagon is 3fold: the Norman Mineta testimony. The anti-aircraft defense system not operating its standard protocol, and the surveillance videos confiscated and never released to the public to this very day. Period.

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so because we (the majority

so because we (the majority of educated Truthers) speculate that perhaps their could of been a missle at the Pentagon, all of the rest of our arguments fail?
Why do "debunkers" pick and choose what to debunk? I've been having heating discussions with my brother for a year now but he refuses to answer my most important questions. Instead, he immediately jumps to things like controlled demolition that I can't prove but is SO obvious from the videos and since we "both aren't experts" we can't talk about it.
Cmon, by now, every intelligent person in America who has researched 9/11 for more than 30 minutes knows that those 3 buildings couldn't of came down how they did without some sort of explosive device.
Of course, we don't know the exact method they got the devices in and what the devices were but WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
There's no way we could, actually. Or you could.
All we are saying is the official story is a complete farce. From there, we draw our own conclusions from studying the government's past and the most plausible happenings of September 1th.

JamesB, you say we don't want a debate...but this letter is BEGGING you for one! Come on, prove us all wrong so we can go back to our lives! Please!

I would add the fact that

I would add the fact that Air Force One was threatened with coded languge on 9/11.....

This is probably the LARGEST indicator that 9/11 was an inside job.

I have YET to have anyone tell me how terrorists could threaten AF1 with code words......

Fox News Sunday, 23 Sept 2001, Tony Snow: “Sept. 11 there was a report that there was a coded message that said, “We’re going to strike Air Force One” that was using specific coded language and made the threat credible. Is that true?

• Condoleezza Rice: “That is true…. I will tell you that it was plenty of evidence from our point of view to have special measures taken at that moment to make sure the president was safe.”

•Link no longer works

Sept. 13, 2001, White House briefing:

• Reporter: “Can you confirm the substance of that threat that was telephoned in…that Air Force One is next and using code words?”

• Ari Fleisher (Press secretary): “Yes, I can. That’s correct.”

• At Sept. 26th briefing, asked again about this, Fleisher said “I’m not going to comment on any particular threats coming toward the White House.”

• This matter needs further investigation, for such person(s) with top-secret information may still be a threat to the President and others…

• Tarpley discusses a large body of evidence and concludes:

“The official version of 9/11 says that the attacks came out of a distant cave in Afghanistan. But it makes more sense to explore networks and agencies which have means, motive, and opportunity, as well as a track record of advocating and promoting large-scale violence.”

RE: "I would add the fact

RE: "I would add the fact that Air Force One was threatened with coded languge on 9/11."

I've looked into this quite a bit, Bamford's book "A Pretext for War" makes the same claim as Tarpley does, however 911myths, despite all of its faults and straw-man lies, does an adequate job of debunking the fact that "Angel" is a top secret code word, but rather it is not top secret and has historical precedence for being used as a label for Air Force One.

Here is my list of reasons w/ links indicating an inside job:


Surveillance--Intervention Software for FAA, NORAD, and Air Force handled by the CIA front and Moslem Brotherhood-Al Qaeda-Saudi Corporation P-Tech

per P-tech whistle-blower: Indira Singh


Atta's close associate [Wolfgang Bohringer] is a CIA asset?

Ring Leader Mohamed Atta's strange behavior per Hopsicker

Heroin Racket, M Atta, US protection

“Alhazmi and Almihdhar: The 9/11 Hijackers Who Should Have Been Caught?"
→ lived w/ an FBI Asset
→ the two are possible Saudi Intel Agents


"Secret FBI doc 199i: Bush orders FBI off Bin Laden family trail"

"Bin Laden meets CIA agent while at Dubai Hospital in July, 2001"


Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, Able Danger Whistle-Blower

FBI operative Randy Glass

FBI translator Sibel Edmonds

FBI Agent Kenneth Williams & The Phoenix Memo

FBI Agent Coleen Rowley

FBI Agent Wright

Attorney David Schippers, House Judiciary Committee’s chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial (scroll down on link)

Al-Qaeda trainee Niaz Khan warns FBI about hijack plot

Family Dentist 9/11 Whistle-Blower Dead After Poisoning

The Pentagon is yet another huge smoking gun in favor of the

9/11 truth movement! I don't find it ambiguous at all.

It is NOT possible for AA77 to have struck the Pentagon for many reasons, including:

· Hani Hanjour could not have flown back 250 miles from Ohio to find & hit the Pentagon, (let alone the small, renovated wedge).

· Hanjour could not have made incredible maneuvers in a Boeing 757& fly 2 feet above the ground.

· A Boeing 757 can NOT make/disappear through a 16-foot initial impact hole. The airliner has a 125-foot wingspan & two huge steel/titanium engines that "disappeared" as did the 250 seats & the luggage.

· There is no way they could ID a planeload of people that slammed the Pentagon @ 530 mph, while the plane itself was supposedly obliterated. The fictitious DNA results were fabricated to bolster the official lie.

· 80 videos of whatever hit or blew-up the Pentagon are being withheld by the gov't for no reason. (The only video released looks like an A3 SkyWarrior!)

Give ME a break

I dropped the discussion because arguing with an individual such as yourself is a complete waste of time, and on a internet forum no less.

How goes...

The movie? Do you have a trailer yet?

"So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

Richard Cheney - Chief Executive Of Halliburton

good question

really. how about getting a trailer together, dylan??
build the hype. i cant wait for this...

head up, eyes open, fist clenched

I actually have a 1 minute

I actually have a 1 minute teaser cut together, but I'm not authorized to release it yet for a few reasons.

Soon, though. Our deal still hasn't been finalized. I'm as anxious as you all. :D

Can you tell us

about your take on Magnolia's canning of Halifaxion? Do you have some trustworthy lawyers (ha ha) nearby to ensure LCFC will not be suppressed by obscure copyright enforcements?

Some of us have been worrying...

interns < internets


Tell us what, if anything, you all slipped in to the original format besides Charlie's voice over
Together in Truth!

Here's my post from this weeks Open Thread...

Which includes my post at your dis-info blog:

>>>They're rolling out the

They're rolling out the 911Truth=Nazis schtick again, this time aimed at Rosie:

And this "dog and pony" show is getting Jenny a bit cranky:

>>> At 11 April, 2007 10:50, Col. Jenny Sparks said...

This is a message to the "engineer", not the "oil rags":

"Holocaust denial is more connected to 9/11 denial than Operations Northwood is connected to 9/11."

Tut, tut, Jimbo--you should know better by now. But you're on a schedule, aren't you? Distract and smear 911activism by hook or by crook.

See, I KNOW you KNOW this is a lie. We both know Holocaust deniers are so few and far between they almost need to be invented whole clothe. For instance, "Eric" what's his face, was a plant--by who exactly is unknown. But he came out of nowhere, got himself into the 911Arizona Con. by sounding vaguely reasonable, even when demoted buzzed around like a busy bee at the event(people who actually have experience at this sort of thing are much more mellow in their demenor(Jones, Tarpley)--they get little enough rest as it is on their circuit)--and, come to find out, his alledged "book" is a cut/paste plaguerized mess. Rush job much?

Now, Jimbo, you're clever enough to know that's a plant. But you pimped it anyway because you HAVE to stay on message--Holocaust denial=911Truth. And not for your fan base--they'll swallow anything--but to other people who come by this site looking for info.

And you're so invested in this meme that even when the rare one pops up as a debunk, you have to rationalize allowing their presence.

Yeah, you're a right peice of work. I hope it's all worth it. You know, SOMEONE should counter your Holocaust denial "dog and pony show" with a distraction of their own. Hmmm.

So, WAS the bait tasty?

Be seeing you...when you least expect it.

So, the 911Truth=Holocaust denial still has some legs. I'll share a tactic that a guy in my local group suggested whenever anyone wants to conflate the H. Denial with 911Truth: LOUDLY start discussing the actual historical Nazi conections with the Bush dynasty and Prescott's war profiteering in WWII.

Be relentless. Have no mercy. Do not stop--at least until the debunk backs off. And if they complain about what you're doing is a distraction from their "debate", point out it's payback for their "Holocaust distraction dog and pony show"--and keep at it.

A HIGH percentage of debunks are neo-con sympathetic conservatives--Paddy and Jimbo of Screw Loose being examples. Make them explain why they support people who inherited wealth made off the Nazi war machine.

Then tell them to "have a nice day".

Jenny's such a bastard...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.
Submitted by Col. Jenny Sparks on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 2:57pm.<<<<

So what do you have to say for yourself, Jimbo?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.


Would you please contact and let him know you'd be happy to participate in his debate?

Help him out!

I'm certain he's dying to debate, but he's so busy these days, he might miss this opportunity. So, being the helpful soul I am, Jenny went to his PUBLIC blog and found his PUBLICcontact info:

"Polite inquiries and job offers will be answered at"

So, just give this Jamie cahp Mr. Bennet's email address and tell him to keep it polite.

Hmm... may be Jenny could do that...

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OK. I'll play.........

Were there significant quantities of molten metal in the rubble of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7?

...and I'll bite

Yes, according to various eyewitnesses involved in the clean-up operation, there were "rivers" and "pools of molten steel" uncovered. (The site linked,, is excellent, btw)

Furthermore, there exists photographic evidence of columns still dripping from molten steel weeks after, as well as photographic evidence for molten metal dripping out of WTC2's impact zone minutes before the collapse -- according to Planck's law of black body radiation, it is possible to determine its temperature to being way above 1800°F, the maximum attainable by atmospheric hydrocarbon fires such as those inside the WTC, by at least 1000°F -- strongly suggesting the molten metal is iron or an iron alloy such as steel, which melts around these temperatures. Also, not to forget the meteorite.

Better a mock debate than no debate at all...

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oil depletion

For those interested in what goes on inside the minds at the top, who planned 9-11, they probably don't consider it murder. They probably think of it more as a necessary sacrifice, the way a normal person might sacrifice a pawn to win a chess match. If oil and gas supplies got cut-off or ran out, millions of Americans would freeze and starve. So the 3,000 who were "sacrificed" serve as a hedge against that more horrible scenario. But that hedge will only be a temporary one. It might buy 20 years. If you're reading this and you have children, it may well be that they will have to face that nightmare.

We are not running out

Saddam was flooding the market... bringing the price down.

that and he was threatening to start trading oil for Euros.... very very very bad for the dollar.

Now we control the oil flow and look at how nicely it has performed since.

The technology to more efficiently burn oil is there but it has been boought and buried.

We have been duped again
Together in Truth!

I know what you're saying, but

There are not infinite supplies of petrol. We WILL run out at some point, sooner or later.

That said, hell yeah, the supply is being fucked with. For all sorts of reasons. Peak oil and artificial scarcity are NOT mutually exclusive concepts.

Reguardless of which you feel has more weight, from the practical "what are we going to do" stand point, the solution is identical--reduce, eliminate dependency on the whole petro-chemical industry.

How's that for something we can all agree on? ;-)

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Warren Buffets son

Has been developing a way to turn the remains of animals into oil. He has been working with a chicken processing plant taking the bones and fat and feathers and fairly efficiently making oil. I can not remember how much they were producing per week but it was substantial for an experimental operation.

If they ever release their hidden technology then the oil we have will last much longer.

Hell a sizable gyroscope could effectively propel a vehicle....needing only electricity to kick start the gyroscope and operate the hydraulics needed to apply tilt.... but we all must be driving comparable vehicles if we go to this type of vehicle because we would have to dramatically reduce the weight and size.

We have the technology!!!
Together in Truth!

Personally I'm with

Personally I'm with biodeisel. No, it won't replace everything--we still need to reduce consumption/increase effifiency--but it's the best stop-gap we have at this point.

Where I live the public buses have all switched to B20 and our water bureaus fleet to B99:

Yes, this IS part of the solution. It's NOT a magic bullet--but it can prevent HELL ON EARTH--which is what will happen if we do nothing.

Vegtable oil not cost effective? Think again--after you factor in ALL the costs. And remember how heavily subsidised petrol is.

As far as the use of animal remains, I'm more inclined to render the buggers and compost them, but hey, it's ALL part of the "solution with many facets" innit? ;-)

It just occured to me--re: what someone said about keeping us slaves to debt--this rah-rah war thing acts as a TOTAL DISTRACTION away from the fact we, the people, could unplug from the system RIGHT NOW, if we were organized enough. Do the bastards KNOW that? Or are they just operating on inertia--"this is the way we've alwasy done it--this is the only way it can be..."?

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

It's not hidden technology

It's called "thermal depolymerization" and is basically pressure cooking. The heat and pressure break up complex hydrocarbons into a variety of common alkanes comprising crude oil, which can then be refined as usual. While the concept is sound, it would be interesting to approximate how much organic waste would be required to satisfy global energy demands -- it might sound weird, but waste can be a limited resource as well.

In the end, we should see to it that we get by with no more energy than we can harvest from the sun. Apart from nuclear energy, all our sources are solar energy at least indirectly, be it hydro, tidal, wind, crops, chickenwings or fossil. Let's balance our budget, and we should be good to go for approximately the next few billion years.

Gyroscopes are an efficient way to store energy stationarily, but once curvy motion comes into play, you invariably get precession, which makes steering...exciting, to say the least.

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Its Cheap Oil that matters!

There's plenty of oil, but we're running out of the real easy to get stuff. Once an oil field begins to decline its harder and harder to get the stuff out.

If it takes as much energy as there is in the oil to get it out, then the transaction is a net loss. That is an extreme example . . . . oil shale is almost a break even proposition because of the energy it takes to mine and then heat it to get the oil out.

Corn ethanol is a net energy loser because of all the energy it takes to make the stuff. I've read that Nuclear power, the way we do it anyway, is a net loser because of all the energy it takes to mine the ore, procees it, build the plants and then decommission them.

The devil is in the details. Science will give you much better answers than half baked anecdotes.

Oil is obsolete...

There is others energy sources. Unfortunately, they're much less profitable for the warmonger corporate and banking "elite".

I believe that

much of this is so that they can get the last bit of cash out of the cash crop they have been milking for so many years before a much better technology is revealed. I'm guessing that they have less than 5 years remaining.
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profitability and supplies are irrelivant.

its all about control. alternative energy would make each houshold virtually self sustaining. the NWO can't have that. 911, Iraq and oil=lie upon lie upon lie.

I think you hit the nail on

I think you hit the nail on the head.  They want us completely dependent, to increase taxes, and to make us slaves to debt.

Online Debate ~ Wikipedia Style

Let's have an online debate where each thread of the 911 controversy is listed and arguments can be posted, both pro and con, by anyone. The full power of the internet, with cross-referenced links, imagery, video, animations, etc., could be brought to bear in such an online debate setting. Subscribers could decide by a vote which arguments go at the top of the cue for both pro and con sides.

So for example threads for each of the following debate points could be argued separately.

* Did NORAD have the time and resources to respond to the Flight 175 (the second plane to hit the towers)?

* Is "Pull" a term of art in the demolition industry that means to pull the trigger and begin the collapse sequence?

* Did BBC and CNN have advance notice that WTC 7 was going to collapse?

* Were temperatures high enough to cause the floor trusses to sag and pull the exterior columns inward and initiate collapse?

* Was the 911 Commission investigation adaquate to resolve the crimes of September 11, 2001?

Of course there are hundreds, if not thousands, of very specific questions like these that can and should be debated. In an online debate forum, each could be argued and answered by anyone in a wiki-style threaded debate. If questions are left unanswered or if answers are woefully inadaquate then that will speak loudly enough.

Even High School debate teams could be encouraged to argue both sides of any one point. And, of course, anyone could provide arguments both pro and con for any one question.

The objective is to create an exhaustive Lincoln-Douglas style debate that will clearly expose the truth. And the truth, after all, is what we're after.

JamesB, am I too late?

Wow, JamesB, you're back-it seems like weeks since I read your golden words. That's right, weren't you leaving the country? Since then, I've had my hopes go so high only to have everything collapse. I can't believe anyone would still be challenging the Truth here on the Blogger, but we've been getting complacent lately as all the deniars make so little sense as to be irrelevant.

I've seen some regular posters here on 'comments' claim the Pentagon was hit by a plane- guys, would someone post one of the many pictures available showing that single round hole, or the outside with the cable spool still upright and no sign of huge 757 engines that could not burn up in a fire.

The logic is there, why should we even bother to argue with deniars? The only reason to deny at this point is to attempt to stop the Truth from getting out to the general public. Really, JamesB and any other trolls out there, if I was you I would sleep well at night knowing that the corporate media is in full control of most of the American people. Truthers like me are the ones that toss and turn, realizing where this country is headed soon if we don't win.

See, I'm 100% sure that the WTC buildings came down from controlled demolitions. Details? That's what a new investigation would be for. Is that too much to ask? If you're aligned with corporate business or corrupt government agencies, of course it is. You know they were controlled demolitions, and the future of your reality is at stake.

But you will sleep better than me tonight. I am ashamed at humanity for the acts of 9/11. It proves us not to be very noble beings, or should I say, we all have the capability of complete evil. I seek a more equal and just world, but I understand to many of you that would play havoc with your sick, narcissistic egos.

To all you deniars, I for one don't want humanity to exist in such a world as has existed for too much of history. Time to evolve, or else...


Over at the BBC,

"US says Iran arming Sunni groups

The weapons were captured in a Sunni district last week, the US said
The US military has for the first time accused Iran of arming Sunni militants fighting in Iraq.
Sunni militants are being armed with Iranian-made munitions, US military spokesman Maj Gen William Caldwell told reporters in Baghdad. "

I had almost thought that the war had been called off. Boy, do I feel stupid!

It’s time to call them out!

Everyone who is getting on TV needs to start calling the ‘official’ tale pushers out on national TV. No more presenting our evidence…stop and call them out.
When they ask a question, call them out to an open forum debate on the question.
Do not answer them…ask them for an open form debate.

The 9/11- polls: In case

The 9/11- polls:
In case you haven't voted yet:
Should Rosie O'Donnell be fired from "The View" yes or no ?

Conservative talk show host Bill O'Reilly has blasted Rosie O'Donnell for comments she made on "The View" about British captives in Iran.

Whose side are you on?

Rosie's. She should be able to express an opinion that she feels is underrepresented in the media.

Bill O'Reilly's. Rosie has really gone too far this time.


Do you think actor Charlie Sheen will hurt his career by narrating a 9/11 conspiracy film? Yes or no?

Whose conservative?

Another thing we should call these neocon-apologists out on is their self-professed label of conservatism. We need to let them know how many REAL conservatives are calling on a new 9/11 investigation. We need to let these high priests of corporate control realize that we understand what true conservatism is. Bill O'Reilly is not a conservative. How can these fascists be "conservative" when they're fighting against CONSERVING the Bill of Rights and Constitution? Nothing conservative about them in my estimation. We need to yank that label out of their grip until they appear foolish for even using the term to describe themselves and their philosophy.

I love it.............

I love to see 9/11 Truthers call out the Big whigs on their shite. I mean lets get real, you can take the most Noobie of Newcomers to the Movement and put them up against any ONE of these media clowns and they will cause a stir, if the debate is not a Bill Oreilly/Sean Hannity style "debate". I love the fact that Media is becoming more and more obsolete every day. Theyre just a bunch of silly tabloid reporters pretending to have their finger on the pulse of America, lol, nonsense.