Naomi Wolf on the Current State of Tyranny

Author Naomi Wolf draws parallels between nascent fascist states and the United States. This is not necessarily a 9/11 video, but the relationship should be obvious. This recent interview sums up her point of view, very interesting and informed perspective. Here's a little photo essay to go along.

10 Steps on the Road to Tyranny(Dismantling a Democracy)

Naomi Wolf is closer to the truth than any of us want to admit! Here's Wolf's 10 Steps to Dismantling a Democracy:

1. Declare the existence of sleeper cells.
2. Create a secret prison system where torture takes place outside the rule of law and very often establish military tribunals that strip prisoners of due process
3. Create a paramilitary force
4. Create a surveillance apparatus for its ordinary citizens.
5. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens,
6. infiltrate citizen groups
7. Target key individuals
8. Restrict the press
9. Recast dissent as treason
10. Declare martial law - months before an election, destabilization

I certainly see the parallels to Germany in the thirties as Wolf has come to understand the deterioration of a democracy. Here's a link to her lecture and an article:

link to Wolf

...don't believe them!

Show "Naomi Wolf is an embarrrassment and she isn't very bright" by doughnut

Giving thanks for democracy

I think you're being a little harsh on the lady. Even if her rhetoric is a little overstated, it's hard to argue with her premise. At very least, she is defending democracy in a time of political confusion and wholesale deceit. And since democracy is not a guarantee but needs eternal vigilance, I can't see how she is doing any harm.

stupid and embarrassing???

You sure dont' like her,. that is clear. but lets ask WHY? I find nothing extream about what see is saying,. fascism is quite certinly on the rise in america, as much as none of us would like to think about it,. it is true.

"Not even close by any warped stretch of the imagination. People need to get a grip on Reality."

WHAT? perhaps 9/11 was just ok but not really TOO bad,. a million DEAD Iraqis are just a small problem,. the attacks on DEMOCRACY are just a phase bush will grow out of it??? What is it you are missing here? the death numbers are not high enouph? one murder is unacceptable and the actions of the cheney junta are many times murderus,. and they are working the destory democracy! They are also dooming us for the coming end of oil,. we really need to be putting all our resources into building sustainable living systems that will feed people with the oil that is still relativly cheap!

Further evidence of fascist behaviour.

Anybody else see this?
http://infowars.net/articles/november2007/211107Tased.htm
The guy doesn't appear to be a threat to anyone.
And yet.....ZZZZZAAPP

As usual, no one replied to any of my points

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Sure, front page it, but

I still don't care for her SoCal drawl and propensity to use phrases such as "super obvious"....

But, yes, she's bang on here. Most of all, I appreciate that she identifies the cone of silence that falls on people when torture is applied to "their kind" (i.e. when reporters get jailed over ideology, watch the other reporters clam up).

Smell the fascism, indeed.

What's somewhat remarkable about the current moment is that people will accuse her of hysterics, of "crying wolf" if you will. But, honestly, to those people I would have to ask: How much is too much for YOU?

Actually ...

I think Naomi's calm presentation and pleasantly voiced delivery make the subject matter more palatable, Cali drawl or not ;-)

MrEguy

Yes

you're right. You're, like, totally right. ;-)

Thanks duuude

like, it's all good, ya know?
MrEguy

Warnings from a Woman with Wisdom

Excellent interview. I've forwarded the link to this video to many people.
MrEguy

So close, and yet so far...

A week ago I was outside a Naomi Wolf event in Berkeley standing behind a table with 9/11 truth materials on it. Most of the people going in walked past without even pausing to look and many would not even take the 11 remarkable facts card we were passing out. About half way through the event (a friend went inside while I stayed with the table) two elderly men came out and over to the table. The younger of the two men waved his hand over the table and said "This is what it's all about, this is the real deal, not that Bourgeoisie Democratic b.s. inside, this is what we need to be talking about".

As the people streamed out after the event and into the night air, there was no buzz, the energy was flat. A few people came over and talked. Apparently, they had everyone write their questions down on cards and no 9/11 questions were asked even though many had written such questions. At the end of the Q & A, someone in frustration called out to Ms Wolf :" What about 9/11?" and got the reply "A new investigation is needed" and that was all.

Ms. Wolf makes much of the Reichstag fire and how the Nazis used it, and even draws the parallel to 9/11, but can't seem to identify the obvious false flag event or realize that the 9/11 truth movement is the vanguard pushing back against the rise of fascism in America that she fears so much, at least not in public...yet. If this very intelligent woman is not already self-censoring, then perhaps we can carefully guide her to the truth and gain a media savvy ally. If she is, then we will have learned something entirely different.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

The Process of Education.

She is playing a role in the path to truth. She is educating those that aren't ready to make the jump to 9/11 Truth. If she is educating Americans about the German Reichstag fire then she is doing us a service. If she were yelling 9/11 Truth they may not come to listen to her at all. It is a step in the process. Hopefully she isn't deluding herself though about the Truth of 9/11. That would be strange.

THANKYOU

Way too few in the truth movement realize this. I think Michael Moore is using the same tactic. The only reward these people get from us is slander like "gatekeeper!"... They are actually reaching far more people than the truth movement is. Making a lot of people sceptic. Great work Naomi!!

Yeah, I agree...

good insight!
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Nicely said, LeftWright

Thanks for your insight.
MrEguy

They've been very skillful at creating extremely terrifying narr

DH: In the book you say that fascists have great skills at changing public opinion.

NW: That's correct. That's exactly right. They've been very skillful at creating extremely terrifying narratives. And this is why looking at Goebbels is so instructive. Our leaders have been busy creating footage and sound bites that can be petrifying, and as a result, some of us live in a state of existential fear.

Wolf "The End of America", Klein"The Shock Doctrine"

The TWO Naomis (Wolf and Klein) bring us to the edge but won't go over. They both know. How could they not?
Is there any wisdom in leading people there and then stopping short? Many, but not all will (intuitively or rationally) take the next step.

Of course, I believe that next step has the power to turn it around.

I appreciate them both, but am also frustrated by them both.

Wolf: The End of America

Klein: the Shock Doctrine

Naomi Klein does NOT bring it to the edge re:9/11...

...in her book she outright states that 9/11 was NOT an 'inside' job (i.e. she accepts the official line). This is according to an article I read about the book...I have not actually read it myself. Perhaps someone can verify this?

"SHOCK DOCTRINE" Even the title takes you to the edge.

Even the title takes you to the edge.

Fine, but the people that read the book will...

..be told that 9/11 was exactly what the gov't says it was. You're happy with this? I am most definitely NOT.

Unfortunately true

While Naomi Wolf at least gives a quick 'a new investigation is needed' reply, Klein--to my most bitter disappointment, as one who has very much appreciated her work to this point--reportedly responded to the same question from an audience member recently with the standard Chomsky-Cockburn talking point about how 9/11 is a 'distraction' from more pressing issues (yes, even though the adversaries on said issues are the very forces which continue to draw strength from acceptance of the official 9/11 story--duh!!).

It's the bigger picture that's relevant here.

Ron Paul accepts the official line as well. Yet, most of the truth movement ignores this about Ron Paul and says we should look at the bigger picture. Is believing in 911 being an inside job a litmus test that all academia should pass before we listen?

Ron Paul is a racist...

both doing good work,. . support them!

I don't get this frustration,. pointing out the econimic principles of the Shock Capitalism/Control-ism,. and the historic/and current context of democracy being attacked by fascism are quite important, as both of these are the very reasons and realities of the 9/11attack. Just because some person doing work to educate people does not use the same tool as you (9/11) does not detract, it only helps. Eventualy the possibility that 9/11 was a domestic attack and not a forign one, may occure to people, once they realise how these neo-con fasicsts are working it. The problem, as I see it, is that most normal that is non-sociopathic people would never imagen such attrocious behaviour and so discount it in others,. we have to show them just how crazy these neo-con loone-jobs are.

Sometimes it most definitely DOES detract

'Just because some person doing work to educate people does not use the same tool as you (9/11) does not detract, it only helps.'

Unfortunately, if in the course of their work to educate people they not only fail to discuss 9/11, but go beyond that to discourage people from questioning the official story, and disparaging the efforts of those trying to get at the truth (as I understand Klein has done--along with a long list that of otherwise sharp observers that readers here are well familiar with), then they very much ARE detracting from the major thrust of their work. They are giving back with one hand so much of what they have presumably been trying to take away from the powers that be with the other.

'Eventualy the possibility that 9/11 was a domestic attack and not a forign one, may occure to people, once they realise how these neo-con fasicsts are working it.'

Yeah, yeah, 'eventually.' But it's been more than six years already, and it's not like we have all the time in the world. And one of the things people will realize when they reach that point is how such critics effectively hindered them in their progress toward that eventual realization more than they helped it.

In short: inclusion of 9/11 truth (at minimum questioning the official story) most accelerates the education process; non-inclusion prevents the process from progressing as rapidly as it could; while outright dismissal, and the related implicit or explicit acceptance of the official story, positively slows it down.

Sure you make some good points,.

HOWEVER, I dont hear any denouncment of 9/11 truth coming form either of these two? You assert it as a fact so where is the quote??? With out a context for why these guys pulled 9/11 and the ends they are attempting to achive how does 9/11 truth change anything? Both of them are providing historic context. Thay may not speak about 9/11 by name but the implications are all over it,. .

I think part of Klein's thesis may be incorrect...

I haven't read her book, but I believe she lays some blame on free-markets. However, has there even been that much freedom of choice in the U.S. marketplace?

Check out this quote:
"We do not have a free market when it comes to the money supply. And since the money permeates the entire market, it isn't much of a leap to conclude that we don't have a free market of any kind at all." - Michael Nystrom MBA (editor of DailyPaul.com)

freedom of choice in the marketplace???

She is talking about radical free-market capitalism,. letting katrina hit, with no moves made to sofen the blow, so they could 'privatize' the whole school system,. and racially cleans the city with realestate specualtors buying up all the dead and evacuated's former homes. shocking america with 9/11 to push more of this fascist non-democratic corpratism,. shocking Iraq by invading and occupying it to rewrite the laws to the corporate wet dream state,. .

Excellent interview. Even if

Excellent interview. Even if she's not 9/11 Truth, she's the kind of 'acceptable' messenger that can turn skeptical minds in the right direction. I see it as a plus every time someone builds a case for the existence of American fascism as logically as she does.

My Dad, the 9/11 Truther, Writes Ms. Klein a Letter

Dear Ms. Klein

First of all, my congratulations on your extremely important book (The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism). It explains the fact that Milton Freedman’s plan is responsible for the terrible chaos throughout the world. I had believed that this was largely due to the inept Bush administration but now I believe it was carefully planned.

Your discussion of Cameron’s role brought to mind my experience fifty years ago when I was a student at the Minnesota Medical School . My teacher, Bernard Glueck Jr. was a research psychiatrist, who followed Cameron’s methods. He was funded by the government.

I watched with horror as human beings received ten to twelve bi-lateral EST treatments each day until they were reduced to a vegetative state with bi-lateral positive Babinski reflexes.

If you want more details, I will be happy to share my experiences with you.

Again, thank you for your most important work. I’m urging all my family and friends to read your book.

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(Over the past few weeks, I've shared with you my father's transformation from grumpy professional in denial to passionate truth teller - in his past life he was a therapist)

spat

i've been having an entertaining little spat with a blogger
who thinks we are all "Troofer type idiots"
Anyone care to join in?

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2007/11/what_will_happe.php#comment...

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"Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past"
George Orwell 1984

Naomi = Hero

Having just finished reading "The End of America" and 1/3 into "The Shock Doctrine" I can opine that both these women are heroes for having the courage to speak truth to power at this stage in the fascist agenda. If the fascists succeed they will be at the top of the list for disappearance.
Anyone intelligent enough and inclined enough to read their books SHOULD be able to read between the lines and understand the implication. It would be nice if they were full blown Truthers but not everyone of our heroes is going to jump up and down yelling "The f@#$ng earth is round and 9/11 was an inside job you idiots." Just look what happened to Galileo and on a lesser scale, Rosie and Charlie Sheen, for stating the "heretical" obvious.
We can criticize them for not going far enough in exposing the 9/11 lies or we can thank them for opening the door a crack, and we can capitalize on their brave work by rushing through the crack in the door with the REAL Truth message.
BTW Patrick. Naomi Klein doesn't blame free markets. She blames the Milton Friedman/Chicago School of Economics savage capitalists (my description) who give free market capitalism a bad name.
Please read them. You will not be sorry. Both are eminently readable and informative.

OR...

...perhaps power has given them permission to speak truth. Maybe they are both well-paid 'pre-fear' merchants, given the go ahead to print the obvious stuff that will train the masses to be fearful of what's to come, and deny them the almost certainly ANGER-inducing TRUTH about 9/11. Keep 'em afraid, Naomis, but don't make 'em angry.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Naomi Wolf did work for Clinton at one point doing PR (selling Slick Willy to soccer moms). And Naomi Klein states outright that 9/11 was not an inside job. She doesn't dance around it, or step up to the edge. She openly dismisses inside job. I've been around the disinfo block enough times (and I'm not alone, right?), and I'm suspicious of everyone.

The two Naomis may not be selling disinfo, but they aren't selling anything we can sink our teeth into either.

The Naomis rock! Someday

The Naomis rock! Someday they will realize their worst fears and succumb to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job but for now they are still limited by their liberal upbringing and education. They are still prisoners of their own thought police.

The End of America? Naomi Wolf @ AlterNet & Truthout

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112107R.shtml
The End of America?
Naomi Wolf Thinks It Could Happen
By Don Hazen
AlterNet & Truthout

Wednesday 21 November 2007

An interview with author Naomi Wolf, whose new book, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot," may confirm your worries about democracy in America.

If you think we are living in scary times, your worst fears may be confirmed by reading Naomi Wolf's newest book, The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot. In it, Wolf proves the old axiom that history does repeat itself. Or more accurately, history occurs in patterns, and in order to understand where our country is today and where it is headed, we need to read the history books.

Wolf began by diving into the early years leading up to fascist regimes, like the ones led by Hitler and Mussolini. And the patterns that she found in those, and others all over the world, made her hair stand on end. In "The End of America," she lays out the 10 steps that dictators (or aspiring dictators) take in order to shut down an open society. "Each of those ten steps is now under way in the United States today," she writes.

If we want an open society, she warns, we must pay attention and we must fight to protect democracy.

I met with Wolf to discuss what she learned while researching this book, how the American public has received her warnings, and what we can do to squelch the fascist narratives we are fed in this country each day.

Don Hazen: Let's take up a big question first - your fears about the upcoming U.S. presidential election and what the historical blue print about fascist takeovers shows in terms of elections.

Naomi Wolf: We would be naive given the historical patterns to have hope that there's going to be a transparent, accountable election in 2008. There are various ways the blueprint indicates how events are much more likely to play out. Historically, the months leading up to the national election are likely to be unstable.

What classically happens is either there will be a period of provocation, and we have a history of this in the United States - agitators who are dressed as or act like activist voter registration workers, anti-war marchers ... but who engage in actual violence, torch property, assault police officers. And that scares people. People are much less likely to vote for change when they're scared, and it gives them the excuse to crack down.

In addition, I'm concerned about the 2007 Defense Authorization Act, which makes it much easier for the president to declare martial law....

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112107R.shtml