The Direction We Are Headed

I must admit that I am growing increasingly frustrated at the direction in which some of the users of this site have been headed. Actions in the last few days have pushed the bounds of reasonable activity and have forced me into a position in which I do not wish to be. Egos and frustration mixed with low blows and antagonation have led what could and should be a positive focus into one of extremely negative vibes. In little position to find a solution it seems there are none in my hands, but only those who help make up this otherwise useful tool for the 9/11 truth movement. Disagreements and differences of opinions stretched out over an incredibly long period of hard work in fighting for what is right have led many to utter apathy and others to misdirected aggression.

Trying to stay on top of this website has grown outside of the bounds of reason, a double edged sword in many different ways. Cries for help for solutions mixed with intentional flamebaiting, name dropping, misunderstandings, and misinterpretation leaves little room for any single person to solve anything. Unimaginable progress over two years seems like so little in minute by minute postings, while time wastes away talking amongst ourselves our adversaries take the ears of what should be our intended audience. Tools abound to facilitate a growing progression mean little in the hands of distraction - is that what this site has become?

What is the direction this site is headed? Will another site without such problems emerge in time to replace this one, or are they already there but not being utilized? Is there any feasibility to having a large tent without being overcome in inner feuds and worthless battles? A big tent with few large actions or many small tents with many small actions? Can a site's users maintain it themselves to prevent self destruction or marginalization, or is such an effort a waste of time itself? At what point can this site go away to facilitate better actions by those who invest so much time in its survival? To what degree is the debt owed by its moderators and its users? Where should the line be drawn, and who gets to draw it? Do we end with a ban hammer bang, or bow out before the mess hits the fan?

I'll leave it up to you.

I don't think it's that bad.

It seems that there's reasonable discussion going on, if there's rediculous flame-baiting, it tends to be voted down or ignored.

I have faith in the people of this movement to discern what's what.

i agree, i dont see why we

i agree, i dont see why we should create a problem or drama where there really is none. besides, many of the "flame wars" are not just simply flame wars but heated arguments(that may get a bit too heated sometimes)about important subjects that need debating. i think most people here are mature enough not to let a few arguments here and there ruin their day. i honestly dont see a problem here and dont quite understand this.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Stay positive

Yeah, we have to stay focused and positive, there will always be a lot of dis-info on any site we use, some of it very
very sophisticated and hard to recognise for what it is.

Sure people fall out and argue and name call occasionally ,

isnt this life?

"Who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past"
George Orwell

I think,

first of all, that you should suspend all comments before you suspend the whole website. I think 911blogger is a very valuable resource for a lot of different types of people interested in 9/11 truth can obtain news updates, inspiring blogs, and activist brainstorms.

I would rather not ban comments, as -- at times -- the comments lead to problem-solving (for example, "is this photo real or not?") and brainstorming ("let's all write a letter to xyz ...") etc.

Admittedly, at times the comments are just one big food fight.

But the site itself I think is very very valuable. Indeed, many of the best-known folks in the 9/11 truth movement check it daily for news. And newbies can "jump into the stream" of 9/11 info pretty quickly.


I have been a stong follower of this site for the past half year or so, and a participating member for about the past month. I come here everday to get filled in on the latest news, happenings, what have you. I do notice that certain members ego's do tend to emerge, and only that person in themself can ultimately be responsible for it. Seeing as forums do not allow for face to face interaction, certain people undoubtedly will end up saying perhaps what they would be rather intimidated to do in person.

I share the frustration with all who think this forum is often divided at times rather than being our little hangout to discuss the importance of what turly happened on 9/11. It is important that everyone who posts here shows respect to one another, even if opinions differ. No one learns or benefits if we all think the same thing. If respect is not shown, I do feel however that particular persons priveledges should be suspended. We won't get anywhere in this movement if we continue to stand divided rather than as one.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

hmmm...I don't see that.

"Is there any feasibility to having a large tent without being overcome in inner feuds and worthless battles? "

I don't think so. People disagree no matter how big your tent is. It's healthy and brings out feelings that many have but might not address. Maybe they are timid or just don't like 'conflict' as they say. But if they see someone else arguing maybe they are more likely to get involved.

I haven't been around this site very much until recently. Mainly the past week. I have been checking it daily and I just don't see what you are describing.

I had a pretty good argument recently. It got down and dirty. Name calling, meany-ism, more name calling......but a lot of debate on the topic at hand. I ended up starting a book related to our 'argument'. Hopefully my point was made to the other side of the isle.

I think it was positive even though I called him a pussy and he called me a dump fuck.

People disagree and debate and argue and get along.

Now I guess you see hidden trash that I can't because you guys "ok" all the blogs. So maybe I'm just not privy to enough information.

With my limited experience...I do not see it like you do.

Second, If you guys ban blogs you should have an online depository of banned blogs...IMO.

hahaha. from a "pussy" to a

hahaha. from a "pussy" to a "dumb fuck" i totally agree. no hard feelings here. and these arguments, despite getting too personal or heated sometimes usually serve a purpose.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Not sure where this is

Not sure where this is coming from. If anything the comments have grown more civil over time. 911blogger is an invaluable resource. 911 truth is reaching critical mass. Pulling the plug at this stage would be insane. It's true that some people come here just to discuss 911 truth amongst familiar faces (or names, rather) and sometimes bicker needlessly, but that comes with the terrority.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I see it differently, dz.

In fact I think 911blogger is quite impervious to provocateurs/trolls and disinformation tactics.
Other than a few annoying flame-baiters here and there, I don't even see why you would write this article!! Maybe I've missed it, but from what I can see, this website is absolutely the best at weeding out trolls.
Take a nap dude, your fatalistic view on this is depressing! Especially because, to me, it seems quite the opposite. To think you're now implying closing down the site seems a bit...well, say the least, unexpected.

And um, if you shut down the site, you let the enemy win. Can't have that, can we. I need to go shake the negative vibes from my hair now. Thanks man!

Yeah I love this website.

It's an invaluable resource.

If we ignore disinformation, it's not going to go away, so we should be aware of it, discuss it,.
One side of the "double edged sword" will grow sharper as the facts support it, and disinformation will grow dull because the facts will not.
That is the beauty of truth.

Of course shills, trolls, agents, etc., come here to spread

disinfo & to hinder & disrupt truthers. Relax dz, it is nothing new.

I gave this a 10 ...

..even though I admit I haven't a clue about what's happened for two weeks. Our local drama with a git in our group who tried to bollocks up our David Ray Griffin lecture tied up my energy of one week--recovering from the SUCCESSFUL event took another week. Gues I just want to reward the initiative to come out and state there is a problem that ignoring won't solve.

From my recent group experiences I'm going to come down hard against the "big tent-kumbyha" dream--if that means tolerating disfuntional crap, or rubbish. Doesn't work--at least if you want to be effective and accessable, something as 911activists we have to fight tooth and nail for. Also leaving it up to everyone" to just work it out" doesn't work either, unless there is an undisputed authority who has absolute say. At this site, that would be you, dz, in case you didn't know. ;-)

That said, having a clear FOCUS or GOAL of the site, combined with accepatble parameters that support the focus or goal, can help sorting the stuff that's not trolling, but isn't helping either. Another thing to factor is what service is the site giving above and beyond it's stated goals, but that supports them?

My thoughts are being informed by my recent experience with a disfunctional group process, that basically meant our DRG success was INSPITE OF not BECAUSE OF how our organization was structured--or rather non-structured. No, it's not the same for a website, but there are parralells:

-Everyone can't just "do there own--unfocused--thang"--it dilutes your goal and message when people are WAY off topic*cough*"chemtrails".(that's a jab at our local git)
-The purpose/fucus must be stated and clear, or people won't know why youre being a "nazi"
-The organization must be clear--who's responsible for what, communication proceedures, etc.
-What is and is not accepatable must be clear--and why
-And what will happen at the first knowledge of deliberate disruption, must be clear and come swiftly on provocation.

It will sound draconian to some, but you may want to take a page out of the Daily Kos' book- what is or is not acceptable to promote as valid evidence and/or research. You may also want to send people who support speculative(in the unfalsifiable sense) "theories" and who attempt to push them, a warning or three then the boot. Just some ideas. They may sound harsh, but after my recent experience, I am SO over worrying that someone will call my demand for clear communication and process a species of "Nazism".

For the record, MY impression of the purpose of 911Blogger is to share news, info and insights from 911activism so we can become more effective activists, with the goal of making the truth about US complicity accepatable enough to pursue hard legal consequences. A close second is networking and exchanging ideas with fellow 911activists you may not otherwise meet.

To this end, personally, if this was my site, at this point anyone repeatedly pushing info(not discussing, or questioning, but actively PUSHING) that is a screaming liability, I would boot. Fetzer would be so gone, and I would sleep like a baby about it. Go ahead--call me a hater of free speach--I can live with that. But that's what I would do, with MY goals and MY purpose--I'm not saying you should do this--I'm just sharing it as an example of how site managment would support a specific goal, focus that goal and keep it real.

Maybe the problems are more of a personal nature--I did come upon John Albanese doing a creduible job of acting like a troll for no rational reason I could see. I would hate to have it happen, but it could be you're just running out of energy and resources to continue running 911Blogger in it's current form. I'd take a step back and make a wish list of absolutely everything you/we NEED to make it work the way you intend(support you focus/goal). If after that it can't be done, then maybe it is time to bow out.

Well, don't know if any of that helped. I'm STILL knackered from our May 21st event, and as I say, I've been away from the site. Whatever happens, it was a good ride while it lasted.

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.

Take the Site Down and the Terrorists Win

This site is our morning and evening New York Times, so to speak. Poor analogy, but you know what I mean. Jon flipped out, told everyone to F Off, and it was pretty surprising and a bit shocking, but we are all engaged in a very difficult and emotionally charged struggle. We are all under heavy and unusual stress. It's not everyday that your government attacks you after all. We are all brothers and sisters in a very unprecedented struggle, and I think a little compassion, understanding, and love should be spread around here now. Sometimes soldiers flip out in the heat of a nerve-racking battle. It is just battle fatigue and heavy pressure. I love all you guys, and I will forgive your faults and sometimes unpent stressed out emotions if you will forgive mine. Now every one go smoke a dube, chant Om for awhile, and meditate on forgiveness. We have a big battle ahead. Mellowwwww...

"Jon flipped out, told

"Jon flipped out, told everyone to F Off"

Oh, so that's what this is about. I didn't see this thread, but I'm sure he'll be back. Like Lazio says, we're all under unusual stress in these trying times.

I just got through telling one of my best friends to F off in another forum due to a perceived injustice. Sometimes, online, and particularly after a few swigs of Grandpa's cough syrup, we do stupid shit. We can only hope that people are willing to forgive, and remember the good times.

The vast majority of comments on blogger are respectful and informed. Don't even think about shutting it down!

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

To clarify...

I certainly did not tell "everyone to F Off." My anger/frustration was directed at certain individuals. That being said, I agree with most everything you said.

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Jon knows better than to direct that at me...

or else it's 2 calls from a payphone... ;-)

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Yes, I know . . .

As a forum moderator and mail person for 4 websites all I can say is, I know the feeling.

It's a full moon. Just hang in there.

Nurses have told me that they really do see a difference during the full moon, in behaviors of all kinds. Picture our work as like the work of the ER doctors . . . we have to manage the outrageousness as best we can. And know that you aren't alone. I expect that right now it's a combo of things like the full moon, presidential race heating up, the explosive or gradual demise of the Bush Admin, the rooms full of people wearing camo who are sitting at computer screens to "fight the war on terror" online (as shown on 60 Minutes a few months ago) who are using up our time, etc. They consider CTs as part of the war, afterall, so . . .

I'm personally fed up with babysitting people online who are on SSI or with nothing better to do that throw minutae around all day long and scream about it - leave the rest of us alone already! So we have to just recognize it, continue to just draw the line, set the limit, say no, recruit support, etc. Then turn away and do something meaningful. And if it isn't meanginful, then at least fun for ourselves.

This post reminded me

to go check out my horoscope at Astrodienst:

"This is an excellent time for all matters concerned with your domestic, personal and emotional life. Relationships work out far better than on other days, because you are imbued with a strong desire to be warm and friendly to everyone you meet. Others can sense the sincerity of your feelings and will respond in kind. "

Let's just say that is not how my day has been going so far, and I have apologized to dz for my role in the Depressing Debacle that at least partially prompted this blog.

I would like to make a suggestion regarding some of the dynamics that may be going on, by drawing a parallel to my experience organizing the DRG event Col. Jenny has mentioned. It seemed like a tremendous amount of unnecessary conflict arose because some individuals we encountered expected to be treated in a privileged way, because of their long-time standing in the movement. Now, certainly, as someone who places her entry into the movement in early 2006 (and regards the preceding 4 and a 1/2 years of my life with a Homer-like "D'Oh!" at my ignorance) I owe a great debt of gratitude to people who have been Truthers for the long haul. It seems, however, that the nature of this debt is occasionally misunderstood -- it certainly was by the local fellow here. It doesn't mean, I had to explain to him, that I have to agree and it doesn't mean I have to shut up, and I get quite tetchy when I feel as though someone is demanding that of me. However, because I value the discussions via the comments here as much as I do, I'm going to make every effort to bite my tongue and tread lightly when I feel this tetch coming on, rather than coming out with all guns blazing (or insinuations snarking).

Furthermore, I hope everyone who appreciates comments here and likes 911blogger just the way it is will let dz know how much they appreciate the site and his hard work.

Don't despair, Take a break.

I think it's important to step back and frame these events in historical perspective. In reality we are reliving the early 30's. The big difference is, today we are engaging this dialog and whether we agree on the details of who is guilty or how to exact justice, the important fact is we are informing the general public of the Truth.
Therein lies the power of the Truth Movement.
Hitler managed to gain dictatorial powers because there was no network for dissenters and by the time an underground network was created it was too late. All dissenters were incarcerated or executed.
At this point in history we still have the power and the ability, thanks to the power of the internet, to speak the Truth. It is my belief that a dictator can only rule with the consent of the people. This may sound contradictory but as long as the overwhelming majority of citizens, along with the military and law enforcement do not support the dictator, he stands frighteningly alone, even with his close circle of supporters.
My point is, we may not all agree on every thing in this big tent but those of us who are not paid disrupters all agree on one thing. We must tell as many people as possible about what is actually happening in our world. The paid shills on network TV can make a lot of noise but they can't change the Truth no matter what they do or say.
So DZ, I suggest you do what I just did. Escape to some remote location, (Vancouver Island for me) reconnect with what is real and important and don't get f@#$ed up about peoples petty disagreements.
Peace, Phaedrus.

Vancouver Island?

Sooo lucky Phaedrus!

Your health is the first consideration

The 9/11movement has accomplished quite a lot over the past 2 years. Much of the inroads of this accomplishment is the relentless promulgation of information --- an end-run around the mainstream media. I would say that 911Blogger has had, and continues to have, a large effect on information dissemination.

Blogging is not really the ideal medium to have in-depth discussion where you change people's minds on major issues. Too much or too little is read by opposing posters leading to horrible misunderstandings. Baggage from one thread is carried endlessly to others. It can sometimes feel like an extended road-trip with your extended family..... C'est la vie. It is the limitation of the forum as a medium of exchange. If you want to change people's opinions, full articles that address counter claims are much more preferable. 911Blogger offers a venue to post these which is fantastic! Also, good general information is posted by more and more people with each passing month.

A handful of people will argue endlessly using irrational reasoning ---- or what appears to be irrational reasoning. It can rile a person. But, again, the ego will always be there, the arguments will continue, and minds will continue their stubborn clinging to preconceptions. Just like your brother in-law on that long road trip.....

Your health is the first consideration --- scale back as necessary. I would consider GeorgeWashington's input --- if you consider scaling back 911blogger, cut the comments section. I personally would hate to see the comment sections disappear for a variety of reasons: info exchange, considering counter arguments to preconceptions, and collective brain-power....

By the way, if you want to see viscious, unreasoned, pathetic dialog ---- look no further than the Siegal websight ---- Peruse the comments there and compare ---- it quickly puts the little flame wars over the last few days into some perspective.

It's better than walking 30

It's better than walking 30 miles for water every day or making under $100 a year or getting murdered by your government.....

much love brother :)

This site rocks

This site rocks.
Im not going to parrot what others above me are saying, but this site is one of the best 911 resource sites on the web. It would be a shame to not have 911blogger anymore.

Hang in there dz, dont let things get you down. Youve done a great job with this site, Im sure you can work out the dificulties.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I don't know where this is coming from

...but I say, "Fuck it. Close it up."
I mean, I for one would love not to have some uber-resource of up-to-the-minute, non-bullshit news. I mean, it takes up all my time! I check this shit multiple times a day! Just think what I could do with all that free time, which is otherwise sucked away by 'zoning out' on the most relevant, independent font of information ever to appear in the modern world.
I mean, I know 9/11 still has some marginal significance to our lives as Americans and humans, but I think it's far more important that all the readers of this site finally move on--and concentrate on the truly important things in life: local NBC news; "Mercenaries" for PS2; Perez Hilton; Harry Potter and the Post-Adolescent Blues; Barak O-bizz-ama; I even think the tryouts for the next spellbinding season of American Idol (I call it "AmerIdo") are starting up!
Fuck 911blogger! 911 is, like, so passe!

Close it down! Close it Down! Close it down! Close it down! ...


See, without comments

we would miss out on stuff like this -- stuff that leads to doubled-over fits of laughter. That, as my daughter likes to say, would make bunnies cry.


Can't Stop 9/11 Fever


I could be watching a cooking show right now!

re: Close it down and watch American Idol instead

Ignorance IS bliss.

But knowledge is power. Keep it up.
"If I had just paid $20 million for the NIST report, I'd be asking for a refund!"
-Dr. Frank Greening

Ignorance is bliss...

for those who seek to keep you there....

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The "waking-up" part of The Matrix still gives me goosebumps, along with the bit at the end when he can clearly see the code...

Love dat film, still my No. 1...

Best wishes and many thanks to dz and crew for running the best 9/11 website out there...

I saw that movie 8 (that's EIGHT) times in the theater!!

Definitely a classic, and it took on a whole new level of significance after I "woke up" to 9/11 Truth. Was I the only one who walked out of that movie feeling like I was the "One"? LOL!!! I think maybe that was the point, wasn't it?

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

close it down?

doesn't that contradict the very point we are trying to make? don't violate our constitution by taking away our freedom of speech. don't shut down a useful tool for waking the American people because people are name calling. My daddy told me that I'm like rubber, you're like glue... whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!

Can I still call George Bush names like "Wanker"? Or is that against the rules?

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Coming from the resident "Nice Guy"...

I think Blogger has gotten a lot better from years past, as far as infighting and trolls go. I also agree with others that the up to the minute news this site offers is by far the best source for news. It's gotten so good that other sites are now posting Blogger stories. I like it here, but that might be because I use the site more for news rather than comments. I like the comments though. Serenity Now! Or like someone else said..."MEEeeellloow."

Show "How about just getting rid of the haters?" by Killtown

Good one Killtown

But you're of the same caliber as Fetzer and Wood. I don't understand why this site chooses to link to you. Hopefully that'll be taken care of promptly.

Show "Start with haters like TruthNow" by Killtown

Seriously Killtown, Close-minded??

I am glad that you are here to push for 9/11 Truth but through and through you still have some waking up to do yourself.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

Show "Waking up?" by Killtown

Such as...

And I quote from your website/blog...

"Why would the government fake crashing planes into the WTC towers and thereby also having to fake all the crash videos when it would be much easier for them to crash real planes into them?" Here is why they didn't use real planes to crash into the WTC:

I mean come on....where do you get off saying that the planes that hit the towers were just a figment of our imagination as you suggest on your blog?? Try telling that crap to the thousands of New Yorkers who actually witnessed it. Not to mention the multiple cameras and multiple angles of it happening. Your theory verges on the level of insanity. Whoever you are WAKE UP! It's crap like that detracts from this movement.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

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The regressive discussions are useful to newbies

People who have been here for a while might grimace at the sight of another debate over what hit the Pentagon or whether Dick Cheney shits pure evil, but I think those regressive debates offer at least two things: one, they introduce old topics to new bloggers; and two, they occasionally produce links to obscure research that even the pros didn't know about.

Have patience, dz.

Also, you can't close 911blogger before Loose Change Final Cut. That's, like, illegal, I think.

911blogger is Greaaaaaat!

When the student is ready the teacher will come.
This site is like my personal 9/11 diary and I don't have to do much writing. Yes, there's some negative inner fueds but that's part of the package. It goes on with most popular blogs. You guys are doing a terrific job and I hope more people will give you some positive feedback. Keep up the good work. Your rewards are in the future. Take Care Matt

Better now

It seems the site is much more civil now then it used to be. Yeah you still see the occasional flame war, but the down votes seem to have taken care of that for the most part.

Would hate to see this site go away as it helps me maintain sanity in what is otherwise a sea of denial. Where 9/11 truth is concerned anyway...

I used to visit much more often then I do now. I stumbled upon another great way to use the web as a tool of information. Check it out here:

Anyway, I think I understand how you feel DZ. Probably a little like this???

You've done alot for 9/11 truth. Most here really respect and admire you for everything you've done. Don't let the haters get you down.
"Cogito ergo sum"

Lack of concensus is not the fault of the blog

Hi DZ,

The absence of leadership and structure of the 9-11 truth movement is responsible for the divergent goals, uncoordinated efforts, and lack of concensus. That is not the fault of this blog site.

The blog reflects the diversity of opinions within the movment as it should. Unfortunately discussion sometimes degenerates to less productive flame wars and name calling. This is to be expected of any forum on a passionate topic.

I agree with other posts that self policing in this site works, it has helped me navigate the facts despite some obvious disinfo attempts.

Even if the 9-11movement were to develop a structure and start drawing the line on what are acceptable and non-acceptable theories (as it should), this blog ought to remain as an open, free fire zone of ideas. If we do not accept criticism, we are bound to act as the very enemies we are opposing.

A Filipino for 9-11 truth


I completely agree with you!

long fight, can't burnout now

Thanks Rain,

Absent of some insiders spilling their hearts out, I think it will take a long time for justice to come to the 9-11 conspirators.

I hope DZ gets assistance to run this site over the long haul. This blog is of such a great significance, it will be written into history as being instrumental in winning back democracy in the US - if truthers win ;)

A Filipino for 9-11 truth

Sorry for the melon collie

Sorry for the melon collie post this afternoon.. it mostly spans from frustration which surrounds trying to moderate this site with all the things i have going on in my own personal life.. it is incredibly frustrating to see how negative things can get between some, and then to be put into the position of moderating against users who have committed so much to this site while others which are routinely voted down maintain their privileges here.. i took the night off and chilled out a bit, and i worked a bit on some scripts that analyze the input from comment voting, and i hope i have found a method for which user moderation can be provided by the overal community - because despite what some may say, I do not want to block anyone from using this site, but at the same time I do not want it to go down the drains because of those that routinely use their abilities here to start trouble or spread disinformation rather than use it as it was intended..

sorry for the negative attitude, and thanks for all the input that was posted.. i hope once my personal life calms down a bit i can take care of working on improving these situations to the best of my ability.. have a good weekend everyone.

I feel you dz

And don't sweat it. We all have days where we just wanna throw our hands up and say "fuck it". One of the ways to combat that is to think of how much the 9/11 perps would love that.
It's about responsibility. The perps are as anti-responsible as any group of people can get. In a strange and twisted way they are actually very childish in that respect. Like kids who refuse to clean up their mess because they claim they didn't make it to begin with, while messing up other kids rooms and denying that too, even when caught red-handed.
We need to be the antithesis of them in every way imaginable. It's about 2 things: bringing justice to all involved, and to avoid the next false flag event. We're as much a preventative movement as we are a justice and truth seeking movement.

Sorry for the...

Sometimes we have to dance even when the music sucks.

Keep on with the show DZ (et al), this is no time to turn the lights off. I certainly know why you might consider it though - the rest of us do as well, so delegate, get some air, do whatever it takes to recharge.

Earning the right to comment

The operators of this site might think of instituting some system by which only certain commenters - who have a history of keeping their comments free of the kinds of behaviour dz describes - are allowed to post, so that visitors to the site aren't subject to endless slugfests. Start from a trusted core of known "good guys", so to speak, based on an existing history of good behaviour, and then expand it on an ongoing basis. Call it censorship if you want, but I think a balance can be found that still allows for freedom of expression but filters out the most time-wasting kinds of exchanges. I know there's a type of voting in place already, by which a post can be voted down, but this should apply perhaps to the poster as a whole, not just the individual post, so that over time, the posters who always get voted down eventually lose their privilege to post altogether. Maybe posting here should be a privilege, not a right. Just a few thoughts....

Weighted voting.

Just program it so that users who get lots of positive votes are more "powerful" than users who get negative votes. Log users positive or negative feedback, and make their voting power automatically reflect their "popularity". 1 through 3? 1 through 5? This will bury the disinfo shills way quicker, and make it harder ot bury the valuable commentary.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

It's not that easy.

There is a dynamic like that at work already, informally. Unfortunately, it is quite easy to manipulate. A person can figure out what kind of posts automatically generate lots of positive votes (eg "Let's all support first responders" or "Sibel is hot" or "Disinfo sucks") and then use that positive feedback to enhance credibility in other areas. Posts should be judged in and of themselves as much as possible -- that is, *posts* should be judged, not so much the posters behind them.

From time to time, there are unpopular things that need to be said. They are initially treated with hostility. Some of them go on to be treated with hostility over time, which may be an indication that they are disinfo. Some of them gradually gain traction as people overcome knee-jerk reactions to ideas that are very uncomfortable to entertain at first.

Actually I haven't noticed

Actually I haven't noticed that any of those three subjects are particularly popular, certainly not as popular as CD posts or simple cheerleading.

censorship is a slippery

censorship is a slippery slope no matter how you look at it or try to rationalize it(or what you call it). its almost always wrong in whatever form it takes. you dont wanna go down that road unless you absolutely have to and based on this thread, most people seem to agree that this isnt such a big problem. i like the site and commenting policy just the way it is, free of micromanaging and censorship. though im just glad you guys dont delete comments like you use to and like C&L now does, haha. anyway, just my 2 cents, i vote to keep the site just how it is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

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censors only those who do not know what they are talking about, such as yourself. It's beyond being a fair system, you're not censored by the mods, but rather other members. Even then your comments are not completely censored....with a simple click, others can view what insanity has been spewed from the censoree's mouth. Take a hint Killtown, when you get get voted down by the masses of respected 9/11 Truthers here, it's for a just reason. Re-evaluate your approach to 9/11 Truth, and perhaps you just might get voted up.

Complacency is the demise of us all, the power is with the people.

I take being voted down here as kind of a badge of honor

considering this place is full of immature close-minded haters. Real great example it sets for the "truth" movement.


Focus on the botched crash scene at Shanksville.

This site is great just the

This site is great just the way it is.


for the link to Killtown, which for the life of me, I can't explain. The mods are very quiet about it too.

Just take a long summer

Just take a long summer vacation, dz, it'll be alright. If that is not realistic, than just suspend the comments for the summer. 9/11 does not have a comments section, but they are stil very informative. It sounds like you guys might be suffering from burnout, which is why God created vacations.

"They took it from the top to the bottom, we're gonna take them from the bottom to the top." - Dan Wallace


I can only visit the site on weekends these days. So I get a sort of snap-shot view of it, a time-lapse view.

Honestly, to me it seems better all the time. There is a learning process going on, or so it looks to me. Some people flame and insult, but mostly people do not.

It helps nothing to insult others. Never has it helped a discussion to do that. Over time, the people who can learn this fact of human psychology, do learn it. Over time, their influence overrides the other stuff. And people learn the culture, over time. As I say, it does look to me as though the culture is building pretty well here.

It must be difficult being the one in charge. This is a great service you are putting in. Thanks.

Can someone else take over for you for a while? If you later come back to it, you may see what I am talking about, about the gradually improving level of discourse. It is lots better already than most forums I see.

This is a problem through out the 9/11 Movement

and is not just isolated to this site. As a matter of fact, you are doing very well compared to the competition on keeping these problems under control. Being able to hide posts by voting them down, seems to work most of the time.

However, when someone proves themselves to be a troll of one flavor or another, then they should be banned. There is no need to waste time on people whose sole purpose is to disrupt and distract.

One small thing that goes a long way to cutting down on the bs and distractions, is to not allow people to use personal attacks, insults and put downs. The people who resort to these tactics are obviously not interested in finding out the truth about 9/11.

Sometimes success is a double edged sword. I hope you can figure out a way to get some help, in order to share the load. One or two people can't do all this.


Dz...this site is a beacon of hope...

As it is a public site, you will no doubt attract dissenters, some even paid to hassle and frustrate the movement. But what you apparently need to be reminded of is the vast numbers of people from around the world who unplugged themselves using this site...and the forwarded the URL onto others. For many of us, it has become the only place where we can share our hopes and frustrations....a place where we can contribute in the fight for our freedoms and the future of our children. The information from this site, prisonplanet and others have educated tens of thousands of people on how the dark side operates..and how they can influence our lives and, indeed, the world. From making us fully understand Eisenhower's final message to us to understanding what happened on 9/11, this site has been there...exposing to us to forces that have been operating for decades. Its sad really, but we would never have learned these things watching our controlled mainstream media.

There's one other thing I learned on this site.. that there are people in our country ike you, who are willing to put their skin in the game and be true patriots. You inspire the rest of us to fight.

This site is great just the

This site is great just the way it is.

One of the best public forums in history. It offers debate, the "squabble of democracy," the scientific method in the raw.

I totally enjoy the comments--all of them. Don't fucking block swearing, damnit. It's just language and if it pisses people off, that's their problem.

The rating system works well enough as is.

If people get sidetracked into smaller issues, so what? It's a good way to learn. I followed the recent Pentacon debate, and it surely did get nasty and personal, but those people will calm down and eventually see that there may be better ways to make their points.

Jon will come back. He just got mad. It won't last long.

Who cares about shills? Let 'em speak. It teaches real truthers how to deal with them. They are not a problem at all.

Everyone should remember that emotions can lead us astray. Let's keep our eyes on the goal--fully debunking the OCT and publicizing that to the point where a majority of Americans agree.

Another thing to remember in the heat of emotion is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." You may disagree with me about what hit the Pentagon, but if you and I destroy each other, who wins? Good to keep this in mind.

The small shit does not matter. The big goal does. If we can all basically agree on what that is (which I think we mostly do) then there is really no problem. Who never fought with their best friend? That's what makes you best friends.

Don't change one fucking thing. This site is great!


This site is priceless.

I always try my best to be respectful to the other users on this site and I encourage everyone to do the same—no matter what your views are.

Perhaps you could consider limiting the amount of posts per person per blog. My personal opinion is that if you have more than 6-7 comments… write a blog about it, don’t keep writing comments endlessly. If you are the author of a blog you should be allowed to respond to as many comments that are necessary in response to specific questions and/or misunderstandings.

Perhaps this is an idea you might consider.



It's been a rough week for me too haha

You know this site is the greatest.

This shit is so much bigger than any of us can even comprehend and we are doing something that has never been done before. You have made and continue to make an immeasurable contribution to the truth revolution - it's fucking beautiful man - know that you are greatly appreciated and don't count those waves, just ride 'em. Much love, brother.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

No exit please...

Although I don't often comment, I visit this site faithfully every day. It is an anchor to so many people. The differing view points and accusations can get pretty insane at times, but regardless, it is a site that keeps us together and focused. Thanks dz for all that you have done here...this site is too valuable to let go of. Keep up the good work!

don't do it!

Please don't go away. Take a break, but don't take away the website or suspend the comments. I have learned so much here. It's about all the support I have in the world for understanding 9/11 and its aftermath - my spouse would be very happy if you did shut down though, as I spend way too much time here.

DZ - I am relatively new here - is it true that you are the only person running this site? That's a receipe for burn-out. You need support and help. Thank you for all that you do.


p.s. I'm sorry but I did call someone (James B) a wanker, so contributed to a negative atmosphere.

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Dz, I think you’re over

Dz, I think you’re over analysing a bit. This site has been a tremendous success, it's contribution to 9/11 Truth has been frankly in my opinion one of the most exciting, inspiring and organic efforts made. It's a vital link in the chain, indeed this site has helped forge that chain for the 9/11 Truth Movement, making it's network and presence on the internet and out in the real world incredibly strong. You know that people will shower this site with financial contributions the second you’re ever in trouble in that regard. So please don’t get unnecessarily stressed out by a few dumb comments, and a few assclowns who keep complaining to you about pointless bullshit. Rise above it man.

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"I think 911blogger should close the comments section"

haha, of course you do! That way you and the other disinfo artists like Fetzer can go on posting your baseless disinfo garbage, and not have it torn to shreads by the rest of us, using physical facts, logic, reason, and common sense - like we do with everything you post. If blogger closes the comments then they might as well close the site.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Seeing as how...

I am partly to blame for some of the aggressions on, it isn't appropriate for me to comment. I don't hold any grudge against dz, reprehensor, sbg, or GW. In fact, a grudge never existed with regard to the four of them. All I can say is don't listen to what I say, or what anyone on this site says. Do your own research. Come to your own conclusions. Don't depend on people to tell you what's going on. Trust yourself over everyone else.

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