WeAreChangeLA schools Philip Shenon on Michael Scheuer, Mossad and the meaning of evidence when it comes to "incompetence"

On April 27, 2008, Philip Shenon, former investigative journalist at the New York Times and author of "The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9-11 Commission" spoke on a panel at the LA Times Book Fair titled "Checks and Balances." Jeremy Rothe-Kushel of WeAreChangeLA asked him a question regarding how best to resolve the treasonous condition of the ongoing 9-11 cover-up. that video which has been posted here on 911blogger before is located here:
After the panel, instead of signing books, he came to speak with a group of us 9-11 truth folks. Here is some of what happened:

The conversation was wide-ranging regarding the numerous facts that show the official conspiracy theory of 9-11-01 (i.e. OBL + KSM +19 + laptops) to be more full of holes than thermate-eaten steel. This video contains sections of the conversation regarding evidence the apparently interrupted Israeli false-flag terror attempt on the Mexican Parliament on 10-10-01, Michael Scheuer's take on this and 9-11, and the lack of evidence for the "incompetence theory."

A note on terminology: At points in this video, the group of Israelis who were seen celebrating the WTC attacks, are referenced as "the Dancing Israelis." This is a loaded and inappropriate description. Heretofore, they should probably be described as the "the Celebrating Mossad agents." Reprehensor has made this point many times before and it is a good one. Meanwhile, it takes a bit for habitual phrases to wear away.

Shenon, himself, blogged briefly about his experience with us at his website: http://www.philipshenon.com/blog/index.asp

Email Philip Shenon and tell him respectfully to face reality, that is if he is not a straight up Mockingbird, and become the first mainstream journalist to tell the deeper story about 9-11 and help resuscitate this country's soul. Tell him he could make Woodward and Bernstein look like McDonald's employees of the month.

Remember to reach out to all folks in media, especially your local media, who WILL report on the 9-11 truth movement if you give them a good reason to.

And, if you are interested in attempting to contact potentially confused CIA-man and Bin Laden expert Michael Scheuer about really saving his country, here is a possibility: mfs47@georgetown.edu

Peace, Love and Liberty!
Shenon video: D.M. Slaughter
Scheuer video: Garko
editing: Jeremy Rothe-Kushel
music: Shumonik

More on the "Israeli DEA Groups"


The "Dancing Israelis" meme was totally abused in "Missing Links"

Partial Transcript

I tried to make this as accurate as i could- i didn't transcribe most of the questions, focused on Shenon's remarks, some things were not clear/cross-talk, i left out some of his tangential half-starts, where he's thinking about what to say- he seems to be trying to be very careful)

Shenon- "the evidence suggests that NORAD just bungled... NORAD and the FAA...carried out... did a lousy job that morning"

(questioner- war games and no demotions/firings/courtmartials)

Shenon- "why i do find that, i do find that...major event... that not one human being was ever demoted, and not one human being was ever fired, and some of the key folks got better jobs out of all that." (he smiles?)

(questioner- computer logs, radar)

Shenon "You'll see in the book- the commissioners and the staff clearly believed (reaches back to touch his neck, leaves hand there) the FAA and NORAD were trying to hide information from them about what went wrong- what went wrong- they were trying to hide information because actually what the record showed is they really messed up."

(questioner- the info can be obtained by congressional or court order that would prove incompetence/intentional botch under war games control; without that you can't prove it was incompetence- switches to question about DEA/Israeli art students)

Shenon- go to the internet, under dea, israeli and art student and you'll find a lot written, but they're a group of... traveling Israeli art students who were selling their (pause) "art", apparently, (Q-sorry?) Art- and the DEA had a lot of suspicions about what they were up to..

(Questioner- did the 9/11 Commission look at any of that information?)

Shenon- "i think they did, i'm not sure they went into in any detail- and other people have knocked down the DEA reports, but it was an official investigation by DEA and... (trailing off/interrupted w/ question about explosive residue- note; the art student spy ring/DEA investigation and Urban Moving Systems/suspected explosive residue/detained high fivers were different incidents)

Shenon- "i'm gonna..i'm gonna be a bad reporter and say" [?]

(questioner- "was the DEA-")

Shenon- "I would find that hard to believe"

Questioner - "Did the DEA arrest them?"

Shenon- "The argument i've heard, and I'm not...buying any of it (waves hand in front of his face, dismissively, then places hand on face), is not that the Israelis were any part of this, but that they were monitoring- they were keeping an eye on Al Qaeda- what they believed to be Al Qaeda people in the United States, and they may not have been fully sharing that information- (removes hand, opens eyes wide) not that they were part of the plot! but they were part of, um (swallows, questioner starts)

Q- "Do you believe the Mossad warnings?"

S- "Well, the FBI said that prior to 9/11 they believe there were active al qaeda cells in the united states (puts fingers on chin) and the israelis would presumably know that as well, and the Israelis might have good reason, to want to follow, if they could figure out who these people were." (Q interjects)

Q- warnings, commission stovepipe [?]

S- "the problem is.... I don't think i've heard any reasonable argument that Mossad was involved- i've heard the argument that Mossad was trying to track some of these people (winces, puts hand on head, rubs it)

Q- "i'm actually not submitting that argument, i'm simply saying.."(Shenon interjects)

S- "I know that, but I'm worried that... where.. (Q interjects)

Q- "i know you are, and i understand your concern.."

End of Vid "To be Continued"


Incompetence my ass!

This guy is a tool making money writing books, clearly not at all interested with the truth. I'm going to write him a letter telling him what I think. Join me.


This man is disingenuous to the core. He's not aware of any Mossad links. C'mon.


Wheres the intelligence?

If I was CIA and admitted I never heard of the "dancing Israelis" I'd feel like a real dumbass. How embarrassing!!

WAC-LA raises the bar again...

Thanks again WAC-LA...great work here.

Once the confrontational tone is diminished, and a coversational and questiong tone is set, its fantastic what we will get people to say, thus revealing their positions.

Additionally, just asking the questions in a good way, IE: as short winded as possible and making only one or two points leading to the question, gets the world to hear our rational and reasoned points or bits of evidence that supports what we are saying, regardless of the person's answer.

People will make up their own minds about the questioner and the answerer anyway. Its THE FACTS that we want left scattered on the ground leading to the cabin in the woods [Camp David or one of Cheney's bunkers in the Appalachians anybody?] ...

I'm big into CIVILI INFORMATIONING the public at large...

WAC-LA is developing the standards for...CIVIL QUESTIONING...

Each are a concept, neither came out of the 60s protest scene...and both raise the game into THIS century, the young set and the infoworld out there.

The more that the 9/11 Truth Movement behaves like this, including when tabling, bannering, standing at busy corners or at ballparks, fairs and concerts, handing out our stuff, the longer the 9/11 Truth MOvement will last, the more credible it will become, the less "cointelpro-able" it will be, and the more effect it will have in fostering change into the future.

Right now, the average person distrusts the governemnt about almost everything it touches, and they will trust much moreso some respectful fellow citizens who have a fact-filled story to tell about the governemnet lying...unless we yell at them.

We Are Change-LA seems to be acting in ways in which they want their world to be...

How is this anything but WIN-WIN-WIN for the 9/11 Truth Movement, our country and the world?

Really, really, well done WAC-LA...hope to see some of you down there on the 11th.

Love, Peace and Progress...

Robin Hordon

Sound bites

Sound bites! All that matters is sound bites! I always love what WeAreChange does, and indeed, I am, by comparison, a couch potato unworthy of the grease vat in any of the greasiest of greasy spoon restaurants in this great land of ours.

However, I must grade this truth action a B-minus because it chooses too subtle a point, forgetting that Shenon is not the audience, the sleeping masses are. Remember the elevator pitch, a 30-second statement during which you nail your message to the wall. In the first ten seconds you introduce the hidden opportunity, next ten seconds you convince your listener that you are prepared with a plan to seize value from that opportunity, and next ten seconds you present real numbers that makes obvious how the listener can participate in the rewards.

Truth actions must present only the most convincing topics: simple, fact-based or physical evidence points that cannot be refuted. Stay away from "dancing Israeliis." What in the world is convincing about that? To the masses, I mean. Remember, these are our gentle, but ignorant friends; attract them with sweet morsals of truth, not complex, bitter, hard-textured pits that only a sophisticated connaisseur could appreciate. Stay away from "apparently interrupted Israeli false-flag terror attempt on the Mexican Parliament." What the hell is that?!! Nothing could be less convincing to the 60-second viewer than that. Please, never bring that up as an introductory point ever again. This is all about introducing people ... nicely, of course.

Get real, get simple, get convincing. Here's what works:
1. Evidence of thermite. Know the facts, state the unavoidable conclusion. Done.
2. BBC and CNN reporting WTC7 collapse before it actually happened. Peter Jennings obviously mis-cued as well. Done.
3. 400+ architects and engineers are calling for investigation. Get AE911truth into the spotlight. Done.
4. No previous high-rise collapse due to fire ever before, or since. No physical reason to think that a chunk of a top of a building would obliterate 80,000 tons of structural steel designed to resist it. Try this: "Imagine making a pile of nine junk cars, then dropping a tenth on top of it, would you expect the total destruction of all ten cars?" No. Done.
5. Two senators who argued to slow down the passage of the Patriot Act, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, were targets of weaponized anthrax made by the US Government.
6. War games were happening that very day on 9/11, dealing specifically with jetliners flying into buildings. FEMA was in place in NYC the night before 9/11. Why was FEMA there already?
7. Why did Solicitor General Ted Olsen lie? Cell phone calls from 30,000 feet were impossible then, and now, with any land-based cell tower. Ted Olson spent 20 minutes telling Larry King all about such a call from his wife on AA 77, but he contradicted himself repeatedly and couldn't get his story straight, and now American Airlines, the FBI, and Pentagon historians are all trying to pretend he never said that.
8. Say, "What do you think about the many bizarre contradictions outlined in David Ray Griffin's book, 9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press?" Say, "Are you interested in knowing what these inconsistencies are?" Gets David Ray Griffin's name into the spotlight.
9. The Pakistani intelligence agency, ISI, close ally of the CIA, wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th. Say, "Why do you think about that?"

Only the most potent information will increase the numbers.

Did I mention that WeAreChange deserves our profound admiration? :)

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Re: Sound bites

Good points!
I would only suggest not bringing up names, like “Richard Gage” or “David Ray Griffin,” as sources. Because sooner or later you’re going to run into a seasoned tool (e.g. some Marines sergeant completing his B.A. in Conservative Studies, or whatever) who’s going to grill you over issues of hierarchy and/or rank: “Gage’s endorsers aren’t a certain rank of architect, Gage himself never built a 100 story steel skyscraper, Griffin doesn’t know anything about NORAD because he’s just a retired Theology professor… some Air Force general said something different…” etc., etc., etc,. ad naseum! The entire main argument you’ve been trying to put forth is now buried under a mountain of argumentum ad verecundiam.

I would advise just sticking to the most basic, documented observations and going from there.

What the hell is that?

Solid evidence sourced to the Justice Department of Mexico.

Do not drop that at all. This is clear evidence that:

1. Israel engages in false flag terrorism even 30 DAYS AFTER 9/11.

2. Israel gets away with acts of war, and they are brushed under the table.

3. It is never reported in mainstream corporate US news.

4. The larger issue of Mossad involvement in 9/11 is relevant.

"Stay away from "apparently interrupted Israeli false-flag terror attempt on the Mexican Parliament." What the hell is that?!! Nothing could be less convincing to the 60-second viewer than that. Please, never bring that up as an introductory point ever again."


"On October 10, 2001, two Israelis, one a former Israeli Army Colonel and the other a Mossad agent, were arrested in the Mexican Congress with 9mm pistols and dynamite. According to the Mexican Justice Department official web site “the head of Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm ‘Glock’ automatics.” The Israelis were subsequently released after the intervention of the Israeli embassy in Mexico City."

--“La PGR Informa Sobre La Situación De Los Sujetos Detenidos En La Cámara De Diputados,” Justice Department of Mexico, October 12, 2001.

Ernesto Cienfuegas, “Army general and head of the PGR releases two Israelis arrested with guns and explosives inside the Mexican Congress,” La Voz de Aztlan, October 15, 2001.

By Wayne Madsen

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.

Luckily Shennon is an "investigative journalist"

so he will no doubt use his connections to find out who these people were:


"There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English."



“On the altar of God, I swear eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."--Thomas Jefferson

a Question for Shenon

I believe it is on pg 266 of his book, talking about notes Lynn Cheney and Scooter Libbey were taking while in the bunker and the decision was made being by Cheney to authorize a shoot down order, Shenon says Libby's notes for 10:12-10:18 read (words to the effect of, I don't have the book in front of me) "Plane 60 miles out, engage...?"

My question, what plane? Whatever hit the Pentagon did so at about 9:38, and 93 supposedly crashed (was shot down) at 10:02. Shenon doesn't question this timeline. What plane was 60 miles out at 10:12 to 10:18?

Israeli Art students....

I hear a lot of talk about the Israeli art students as of late. This is a subject that interests me since I had them visit my office the whole year leading up to 9/11 here in San Diego, CA. It was just as Shenon said, they came by about once a week trying to sell their art, which obviously wasn't theirs. What was even wierder was our office is located on World Trade Dr. What does this mean? I have no clue. Maybe they were tracking the 2 terrorists that were living in San Diego. It was strange that they were peddling their art on our street which happened to be World Trade Dr. I wish someone would get to the bottom of it.

I believe these are

I believe these are compelling areas of investigation but don't you think we need to punch up the impact of truth actions after 7 years of public dismissal?

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.