Weekend Open Thread

It's about time we had an open thread, have at it!

Well since this is an open

Well since this is an open thread, I just wanna voice my discontent that David Griffin won't be appearing on national TV this week, or next week rather. I'm kinda bummed and pissed off about it.
Always seems when critical mass is about to hit, something happens that puts it off another few months.

Just had to get that off my chest. :)

there is a comment from

there is a comment from Griffin's daughter on Rosie's question section at rosie.com.. there are also a few statements about the 'EP' of The View (I assume executive producer) and how rosie doesn't trust him.. apparently that is why she didnt even go back for a goodbye show.. i think she wonders if the split screen argument with EH wasn't a setup.. for the love of god, can we get some free airwaves in america? jeez.

exectuive producer bill

exectuive producer bill geddie:
One of the primary reasons why O'Donnell rejected ABC's contract offer was because the show's Neo-Con producer, Bill Geddie, was continually editing her statements and censoring what could be broadcast. The View is normally pre-taped and aired the next day but occasionally on Tuesdays or Thursdays the broadcast goes out live. Sources tell us that O'Donnell would choose the live show to make statements about 9/11, but that after the initial furore, Geddie even resorted to inserting a delay between the recording and the transmission so that he could live edit controversial statements he didn't like.

Truthers should

Truthers should organise a massive email campaign against Bill Geddie. let him know what we think of his position.
This kind of crap needs to be brought to the light.

If more people like him are exposed, perhaps the movement can make a difference that isnt at the surface. We need to do more than attack the face of the problem, we need to attack the support mechanism. This is war..info war, we need to fight it as such.

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bill geddie

lemonhoko - got his email address?? :o)

what did Griffin's daughter

what did Griffin's daughter say to Rosie? that sounds interesting. and yeah, Geddie(the EP) is a full on kool-aid drinkin', "war on terror" slogan supporting toolbag.

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Truthers on TV

I'm pretty sure if David Griffin would have appeared on national TV , they would have bumped it off with a special report like the rose garden speech, some shooting or weather story somewhere.

Bumped off..

For sure. The media, in its entirety, is their most powerful weapon. There is no way they are going to let us take control of their weapon and use it against them.

she could be under threat of being really bumped off...


When is it time to leave? And when is it time for revolution?

Show "Lauren Catuzzi" by Amanda Reconwit...

I live next to San Rafael where Lauren Grandcolas

was living on 9/11/01 and there is a plaque commemorating her in downtown San Rafael. I came across it while putting truth stickers all over the downtown area and it really startled me.

All of these seemingly pointless posts by Amanda Reconwith have peaked my interest in seeing if there is actually anything worth investigating, so I will be chasing down this one local lead and may look into another guy who lived just a few miles north of me and also allegedly was killed when his plane crashed on 9/11.

I don't expect to find anything out of the ordinary, but there is enough strangeness around the 9/11 flights that one never knows.

I will definitely post anything I find here.

As this is an open thread, why was the above post rated down? Just out of habit? (LOL)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

Just be careful.

One only needs read the Operation Northwoods document to realize that the employment of fictional victims are a part of 'black ops'. I too am puzzled by some of the posts that get voted down, a lot of times they're worth a read, at least.

yes yes to both of you

The whole damn thing is strange. I can't remember seeing any stories about anyone on any of the airplanes besides the bureaucrat's wife. Could be that I have a bad memory, but I've always been suspicious. I truly hope you find that the official story is true on this one. If it's not then we've got something. Please be very courteous when contacting any of these people. It could come across as very callous for someone to call a stranger and say "Did your wife/friend really die on 9/11? I just don't trust the government and had to know for myself." While I've seen the passenger lists, I don't trust the corporotocracy at all about anything that happened that day. The fact that she, not her husband, still has two different addresses and telephone numbers listed is very suspicious. The odds that there were three different women with that name living in the same town at the same time and that they were the only three women in America with that name and with telephone listings are slim and none. That two of those women still maintain is good news, but were there three Lauren Grandcolas'? There is also the possibility that one address was a business or office address and the other home, but why would she still be listed? Maybe there is a large Grandcolas family in San Rafael that all named daughters Lauren? It's just so fishy! This whole 9/11 thing is like the longest Scooby Doo episode ever, but the bad guys never get it.

Anyways, there's a million different valid explanations, but there's also a million different mysterious explanations! I'm indulging a little bit of cloak and dagger fantasy here:) But more seriously, if you do really check it out please be courteous and be very careful. You never know when a bunch of eight-foot-tall lizards are going to kidnap you into their secret underground nazi control lair and base the future of humanity on your genetics alone - lol (couldn't resist the joke after reading some of these posts). If you find anything for real let us know. This is very interesting to me because I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that there are surviving "victims" walking the street that are trying to recover from their "amnesia". The whole thing is just so strange to me. If you find anything at all out of the ordinary, or if anything out of the ordinary happens while on this quest, please get it out on the blog and don't put yourself in danger. Phone taps, tails, questioning, etc..., are all absolutely no fun at all. Good luck.

Yeah, that the posts that get voted down but look like real, honest posts is also kinda strange. That's what prompted me to get so riled up that I came out of the shadows with the 'personal attacks' post last week. A lot of the posts look pretty relevant.

PS - Can anyone verify the validity of the passenger lists? Does anyone know a good link to something about the flight landings in Ohio or an update into that line of investigation?

Most of the passengers were real....

"The whole damn thing is strange. I can't remember seeing any stories about anyone on any of the airplanes besides the bureaucrat's wife."

What about Tom Burnett on flight 93? We have heard quite a bit about him, for example in Jere Longman's book Among the Heroes. Burnett made several calls from the flight to his wife Deena. His calls provide credible information that contradicts the official story-- most notably his report that the hijackers had guns.

This report of guns in the possession of the hijackers is also corroborated by another credible witness from flight 11, Betty Ong, and is evidence that the hijackings were the work not of al-Qaeda amateurs, but of professionally trained agents who were portraying themselves as Arabs for the purpose of framing Arabs.

I believe most of the passengers on the flights were "real." However, some of them were hijackers who had either boarded under the assumed identities of the Arab patsies, or had boarded with their real names. A few of those in the latter category may have made phone calls from the planes to buttress the official story. Thus those calls were "real" phone calls in one sense, and of course completely bogus in another.

Yeah, I know

I couldn't sleep and decided to check in. As soon as I woke up the next morning I went "Oh jeez." I immediately remembered reading several stories, but was about half delirious from insomnia when I wrote it. Not my best post, but it happens. I still wouldn't be surprised if we come to find out that the flights were switched and that the passengers were made to have amnesia. Crackpot theory to an extent, but reality is stranger than fiction. I also wouldn't be surprised if nothing ever came of that, and that all the passengers really did die. I tend to keep these sorts of possibilities open in my mind because of the incredible number of sheer unknowns including the extent of black-ops and the nature of what they really can and can't do. Considering all the possibilities and all the evidence is good mind practice for developing discernment. At this point we just don't know exactly what happened that day.


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stuff like that never gets

stuff like that never gets old to me. i love when criminals and propagandists are confronted in public a la Zelikow, Kristol, Brzeznski etc. nothing like seeing a criminals face get red. thats right Card, crawl back into your hole, people are waking up.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

too bad...

they're still laughing at us. this ship's course will be corrected...i've stopped flinching and wink to the universe when it goes right.

What do you make of this?

Source: Google Maps

U.S. Naval Base Coronado in San Diego, Califonia
"Birthplace of Naval Aviation"
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Planes heading toward the swastika to bomb it?


"How about a plane in a building, foreshadowing 9/11?"

If all this is too crazy even for an "open thread" then please accept my apologies... but the fact is... when they start designing U.S. Military bases in the shape of swastika's... then all bets as to what is truly going on, are pretty much out the window. In other words, it's anybody's guess.

BTW, these buildings were designed back in the late 60's. Long before the advent of the internet and google maps.

Also interesting to note, while the classic swatiska symbol is ancient, it was Hitler who tilted this symbol on a 45 degree angle. Note that the building in the photo above is tilted at a 45 degree angle of true north... just as it appears on the Nazi flag... thus, this is NO coincidence.

Also note that George Bush conducted his famous "Mission Accomplished" speech just off shore of this naval base. Right after his famed "flyover". This symbol is what he saw from the cockpit.

As if all that were not enough, it has been widely reported that George Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush was instrumental in Hitler's rise to power.

Make of it what you will...

Thanks Chris

I saw that photo a few years back. Talk about in your face! Also, Presscott Bush helped finance Hitler's war machine. That's a fact.

This is interesting to me,

This is interesting to me, but maybe not very useful for a 9/11 discussion. It's like showing someone how to fold a dollar bill to see an image of the twin towers on fire. For most people, this only reinforces the notion that conspiracy theorists can find freaky stuff everywhere.

The Prescott Bush connection to Nazi finances is more worthwhile. It's pretty well documented, even though US mainstream media wouldn't touch it... Thus reminding us that the news media is controlled, that profit is a powerful motivation towards evil and empire, and that the Bush family should not have been given power.


That money folding thing works on the $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100. It shows the whole collapse sequence. Undamaged towers on the $5, one tower hit on the $10, both towers hit on the $20 (and the location of the hits, where the smoke rises from is exactly as it was in real life), towers toppling and smoking, all bent out of shape on the $50, smoking pile of rubble on the $100. The backs of three of thm also show the Pentagon hit, but I don't think they're in sequence.

Try it with all the denominations. Anyone can see it is WAY beyond the realm of coincidence. 8 images of the disaster on 5 denominations of bills, 5 of those images running in the same sequence as the events that day?!?!

Think of the statistical probability.

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It is interesting. The

It is interesting. The architecture is probably not mere coincidence, neither is the folding money, in my opinion. The masonic symbolism is fascinating, but doesn't lead anywhere productive that I can tell.
I wouldn't use this stuff when discussing 9/11 with people who buy the official conspiracy theory. It's not your best evidence and it's susceptible to 'tinfoil hat' accusations.

Not best evidence.

But for someone who is already convinced, this is just another nail in the coffin to prove foreknowledge.

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine


Are saying that these Federal Reserve notes, which were created before the designers of the World Trade Center were even born, somehow were purposefully designed to capture a catastrophic event that would happen many decades later?

Or maybe that Nostradamus sent a brain scan from the spirit world to the artists that created these bills, and subliminally caused them to engrave the Towers-to-be, in the various stages of their collapse?

OK that makes perfect sense.

New design, idiot.

All the denominations from $5 through $100 were redesigned in '99 or 2000, supposedly to combat counterfeiting. Hmm, isn't that right around the time that the PNAC boys were wrtiting their magnum opus?

Is this guy a known bedunker around here? How can I be subjected to "wingnut" Nostradamus slurs by someone who is clearly oblivious to the most widely know and obvious realities?



(If any of those aren't showing up, just Google "Federal Reserve Notes" and go to the Wikipedia page on the topic.)

Do you even live in the U.S.? These "bighead" designs were issued around the turn of the millenium. The more colorful $10, $20, and $50 are yet newer, but they still show the Trade Center attacks.

I didn't have a $5 handy when I took this picture. It shows the Towers undamaged. I'm sure you can test it out for yourself. Get your mommy to help you if necessary.

Wait, I found the $5:

Pentagon in several phases of destruction:

(The images are getting chopped short in my browser, but I'm sure you can see enough of them to get the idea.)

Here's a web page with more bizarre "coincidences" on our beloved money:
If you still believe all these things are mere coincidence, you obviously don't understand mathematical probablility.

I tend to avoid talking out my ass. You should do the same, you're stinking the place up. You might save yourself some embarassment if you check out people's statements on your own before you try to "debunk" them.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Ever wondered why Franklin

looks so discontent on the 100$ bill?

"The refusal of King George to operate an honest colonial money system which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the manipulators was probably the prime cause of the Revolution. [...] The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters, had it not been that England took away from the Colonies their money, which created unemployment and dis-satisfaction."

source & more

And then you have Lincoln and Jackson -- it's almost like a trophy, the former enemies' heads on a pole...

interns < internets

Still not convinced

The back of the $20 bill features the White House. A building. A horizontal building. Wider at its base than at its top. With a row of bushes planted in front of the base, and extending outward beyond the sides of the building; and with trees in the foreground on either side, with branches full of leaves. What might such a horizontal building look like if you turn it sideways? A vertical building perhaps!--one taller on one side than on the other. And what might a picture of a such a building look like when you scrunch it up to conceal the middle portions? Why, lo and behold, two narrow buildings, distinct but adjacent, with one a bit taller than the other! And what might a drawing (or engraving) of bushes and leaves--puffy, billowy clusters--look like in this altered context? Something else having a puffy appearance, perhaps--something like...smoke, maybe?

People who want to spend their time folding up these bills might also try this exercise. Get out pen and paper, draw a horizontal building--however you like, just make it horizontal, wider at the base than at the top. Include a row of bushes in front, a bit longer than the base of the building on either side. Then include a couple of leafy tree branches extending inward from either side in the foreground. Next, turn the picture you've drawn sideways. Then, fold the paper so that the middle of the drawing is concealed. Then see if its possible for the result NOT to bear any resemble to a pair of vertical, narrow, adjacent buildings, one taller than the other, topped by billowing smoke.

Sometimes an intriguing coincidence is just an intriguing coincidence.

I agree...

Brad... this is way out there! I hesitated to post it, but after discussing it with a buddy of mine who is an architect, he pointed out to me that nothing in architecture happens by "accident". He's the one who alerted me to the swastika shaped building being tilted on a 45 degree access of true north. I never would have caught that. Architects see things like that.

Maybe the 9/11 foreknowledge bit is over the edge, but the newspaper article made that connection, not me. Although I agree that the planes embedded in the building thing is way too freaky... complete with entry and exit holes for the planes. From the top, the building arguably resemble the World Trade Center towers. I guess it all depends on your perspective.

I appreciate the feedback. I just thought others here would find this as interesting and as puzzling as I do.
"Cogito ergo sum"

This is stuff

This is stuff you find when you go deeper into the rabbit hole.
People that are just entering wont understand it. Although Im sure many of you DO know whats going on, I agree that this info should be left for them to find out later.
It will find them, I guarantee it..they wont have to find it if they are researching deep.

I saw that pic about a year an half ago..thats about when I started to dive deep into the "hole"

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A trip...


Can you say "LSD flashback"?

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

File under...

Things that make you say hmmm....

You're right about the US

You're right about the US mainstream media not touching it...going through the Google news archives I could only come up with five non-independent US news sources that said anything about it in the last four years, the last two of which only have a sentence or two about it at all.

Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
Village Voice: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0439,mondo3,57129,6.html
Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031017-110534-8149r.htm
Boca Raton News: http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10848&category=Publ...
HoustonPress: http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-04-05/culture/mexican-american-culture

Most other news articles about Prescott Bush were about his involvement with Skull and Bones and stealing the skull of Geronimo.

One thing I know for sure, Chris;

Truth is way stranger than fiction.

Denver Airport info & photos.


Now, Shall we do Wash. D.C.?

this is an oldie but a

this is an oldie but a goodie.


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Very minor point, but...

I just wanted to express that it's probably not a coincidence that a major motion picture about Pearl Harbor came out in the summer of 2001.

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Fiction is censored truth ?

I just saw <i>Pirates... 3</i>

The beginning has some dick-tater truth put in. I won't spoil it, but they really lay into tyranny. The rest of the movie was pretty formulaic.

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Finally abc news reports about Operation Northwoods plan

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

911 is much the same pattern as Operations Northwoods.

Top military leaders orchestrating violent terrorism in US cities, blame it on the Cubans and garner support for a war against Cuba.

Some top military leaders orchestrating 911, blame it on Iraq and Afghanistan and garner support for war against Iraq and Afghanistan and a permanent "war on terror".

Tell someone about false flag terror today and this weapon is neutralized a little more.

May 1, 2001

Check the date of the article. May 1, 2001... Months before 9/11. Interesting...

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

"Cogito ergo sum"

could be a typo

date on the article is May 2001, but the comments are all current. Weird.

Why is ABC doing this? Maybe they are just trying to get the isp addresses of all those who write in supporting 9/11 truth. I'm kinda paranoid, don't trust the networks at all.

It's a real source of conflict on this (and other 9/11 truth) sites with comments. How can you really organize people when comments are in the public domain? Anyone can read about your strategy. And also you don't know who is a shill and who is a real truther. Distrust runs rampant.

That the NYTimes let their "rosie blog" comments run on and on, especially when the article is now invisible, erased from history, is another mystery.

Anyway, revealing the US's history of false-flag terrorism is probably the only way to get people to take a look at the lies underpinning 9/11. And Northwoods is relatively safe, because the plan wasn't carried out. Maybe someone at ABC let the cat out of the bag this holiday weekend, when the biggies are off on their yachts. (Or maybe they let Mickey and Minnie play while the fat-cats are away...)

Whatever. I am coming to the conclusion that it is naive to expect a new, independent and effective investigation while the current power structure is intact. Someday, after the revolution, there will be a real investigation. All we can do, as some have suggested, is spread the word and educate the masses, especially the military. We want them to be on our side (and nearby). Unfortunately, most of them are in 150 (??) military bases around the world. And now they cannot access truther sites, and cannot send home uncensored photos, emails, blogs, etc.

It's good also to document politicians' reactions as you confront them with unambiguous evidence contracting the OCT. But I'm so sick of being misled by politicians hinting that they are on the side of truth. If there is a split in the NWO, I wish someone would just come out with it. I feel the noose tightening with Bush's recent "dictator" declaration. Maybe that made a faction of the NWO nervous; after all, you can't have more than one dictator, and how can they be sure that Bush will do what he's told?

Does anyone remember that old Saturday Night Live skit in which Ronald Reagan was portrayed as, behind the scenes, sly and sharp as a tack, a Niccolò Machiavelli in a fool's disguise? Maybe that's what we have with GW. Maybe all his stupid comments ('internets') are a trick. Afterall, no one suspects the guy is smart enough to have been "in on" 9/11. Mission Accomplished.

The comments section...

Very weird... I had not noticed that the comments were all very current. This is truly strange...
"Cogito ergo sum"


Comments are current because yesterday Michel Chossudovsky re-printed this ABC News article in globalresearch.ca without hinting at the 6-year age of it..... and instead making his readers believe it was a current one.

And people tend to be too stupid/lazy to check the details. People from all walks of life are like that.


good observation about the

good observation about the date.

I was reading thru the comments of this article and they are all dated in the past 5 days.

Also, in the comments it was great to see the reaction of people waking up for the first
time to the deviousness of our military leaders. :-)

Also, maybe some patriots at ABC who are trying to get the vital message out about false flag attacks.

nevermind, my fault. "The

nevermind, my fault.

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Body of Secrets

May 2001 would have been shortly after James Bamford's 'Body of Secrets' was published, which documented Operation Northwoods.


.... .... Jon, my mistake.

.... ....


my mistake. Sloppy me.

Your right it appears to be an old May 2001 article that has been placed on rense.com and globalresearch.ca TODAY.

I neglected to look at the date after clicking on the rense.com link to it.

Also, globalresearch.ca just embedded the whole abcnews article in its own webpage prefaced by Michael Chossudovsky without the 2001 date.

Anyway, have a good day.


I thought...

Maybe they posted it on their front page today, and you caught it. That would have been a good catch.

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Publicity none the less.

All Publicity is good Publicity.

A little fun with audio...

I posted this yesterday as a blog entry under the "Humor" category but the post "mysteriously" didnt make it to the site...

Have a listen (runtime 52 seconds, mp3)

I tore up the mp3 that arabesque posted (fetzer - wood DEW interview) and edited it into the beginning section of Ozzy Osbourne's Crazy Train

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

Like it !

These people were really over the top !
I remember also an interview with Steven Jones where Fetzer constantly interrupted him, that was SO annoying !

thanks :)

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I need to get my computer set back up. I've got a few ideas for some good 9/11 music and artwork.

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

LOL, thanks Consc :)

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I believe one of the best ways to spread 9/11 truth is to give

out DVDs of Loose Change, 2nd Ed.

A great site offering bulk LC2E & other 9/11 DVDs is: http://www.911dvdproject.com//

What do you make of this?

From the website HawksCafe there are video clips from a movie they pruduced entitled "Captain Sherlock Solves 9/11". In this brief film clip listed below they mention that on the morning of 9/11 a female air traffic controller states that American Flight 77 was lost over the Atlantic Ocean 45 minutes before the Pentagon was struck. I had never heard of this.

Video clip: http://www.captainsherlock.com/impossible.html

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow


David Hawkins is a brilliant guy, there's no doubt. His speculative analysis rivals Tarpley's "Synthetic Terror". Within the interview with Eric Hufschmid, (sorry, not a very good interview), Hawkins postulates that not only has Boeing replaced the guidance systems on 757's with "black box" remote control jobs, but that the passenger planes on 9-11 were in fact truly "flying bombs" outfitted with solid rocket propellant (burns @5000 degrees) fashioned to look like seat cushions, insulation, WTC ceiling tiles, etc., hence the high temperatures. I can't address the validity of any of his claims, but it is interesting.


The War on Terror - Is A Front For The War For Oil & Gas.

The war on terror is a war for natural gas and oil.

Can I ask people to read my blog entry here on 9/11 blogger:

The Great Anglo-American Energy Miscalculation?

15th May 2007.

Then read this article published in the UK Times today (27th May 2007), from the US Hudson Institute.

Don’t let Russia turn gas into a new weapon

From a drop of water, a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagra without having seen or heard of one or the other. So it is that my name is Sherlock Holmes, it is my business to know what other people don't know

1981 ABCNews Coverage Of The Bohemian Grove

I'd never seen this.

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We should storm the Grove.

Once we get a bit closer to "critical mass", Californian Truthers should organize a march of a few hundred thousand people and take over Bohemian Grove. Kind of our own "Watergate". Could be some interesting items/documents to be had.

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"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Ron Paul

I just thought of something. I have been a registered Democrat all my life. In order to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries I will have to switch parties and become a Republican. If Paul doesn't win the primaries he can't run for president. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I would become a Republican. We sure live in strange times but you got to do what is right. We can't let Gouliani in. I don't know what you are registered as, but you better do what I am doing if you are a Democrat.................Also, yesterday I started to watched the new James Bond movie. During the movie they microchipped him. That's when I turned the DVD off. I would take a bullet before I would let anyone microchip me.

Trying to sex-up the ol' Mark of the Beast, huh?

Bond has one, don't you wanna be sexy like Bond??

I heard a report on CNN yesterday about whether or not the elderly should get tagged. Start with the helpless elderly and infants. They're really starting to push this crap full force.

If enough of the population are dumb enough to fall for this crap. It will be harder for the rest of us to make excuses. I'll chew that shit out of my body if I have to. I'm not a christian, I'm not afraid of "The Mark", but I'm not going to be tagged like a fucking animal. Especially since I know what the motives behind it are.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Bond has one, don't you wanna be sexy like Bond??

Not really, I like being a dirty old un-microchipped man. I know there are not many David Icke fans on this page but like him or not he predicted this would happen over 15 years ago. People laughed in his face. I don't see them laughing now.

The Plans of Nicholas Rockefeller

Last night I watched again the Alex Jones interview with Aaron Russo where Aaron talks about how Nicholas Rockefeller, who btw looks like a fat pimp/used car salesman, tried to get him to become a CFR member. Rockefeller laughingly told him that 9/11 was indeed an inside job, that the whole war on terror was a complete hoax, and that the CFR goal was to microchip everybody. Very chilling. I could not sleep all night.

Aside from all the other mountains of evidence we have, If anyone asks you why you think that 9/11 was an inside job, you can just tell them that Nicholas Rockefeller admitted that it was.

Watch it and weep...


Russo video

I have watched that video many times. I liked it so much that I have burned copies and hand them out with my other 9/11 truth videos. Russo is a great American. A REAL American hero. Also spread the word and burn copies of his video "America, From Freedom to Fascism". He would sure appreciate it. He is one of us and we must help each other. Together we will win this thing.

Aaron Russo seems OK.


Rockefeller didn't admit that 9/11 was an inside job. Aaron Russo SAID he did. Big difference. Be careful what you say to people Lazlo. Don't set yourself up to be "discredited".
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I believe it...

I thought the most interesting part of this video is Russo's testimony that, after he gained visibility as a "mover and a shaker," he was befriended by Rockefeller, who attempted to persuade him to join the CFR. It was chilling what he said the fellow said about the "little people." Anyway, this must happen all the time -- I think that John Edwards was okay until the CFR got to him, for example.

p.s. I keep thinking your name is "Lazio Truth."

I predicted it too...

About ten or eleven years ago. But I thought we'd be making a voluntary transition into "cybernetics", not this 1984 bullshit. The trends were easy to see. Communication devices getting smaller, computers getting faster, nanotech emerging, prosthetics getting better... Obviously the next logical step is active implants of one kind or another. It can't be allowed to happen when we are being ruled by megalomaniacal mass murderers though. Probably can't be allowed to happen until our species is more "enlightened".
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

I'm trying to get people to

I'm trying to get people to go read the entire Constitution. With regards to your comment, individuals here should go READ Article 2 Section 1 and the 12th Amendment of the Constitution.

Citizens DO NOT select the President. The bottom line is that there is NOTHING in those sections, which dictate how the President will be selected, stating that the populace will select the President. Those clauses state specifically that the President IS selected by Electors who are chosen by the Legislature. The number of Electors per State is equal to the number of Senators and House of Rep. members. There is NOTHING stating that these Electors must vote according to the wishes of the population.

This is why Bush "won" the election against Gore. Media outlets said that Gore won the "popular" vote. When the populace votes for President, it is MERELY an opinion poll. People have been tricked into thinking the Presidential elections are the most important elections.

The MOST important elections for the populace at large are the elections for members of the House of Representatives. I'm going to keep repeating this until someone proves me wrong. If the elites can use behavioral conditioning so can I.

This is a challenge! Some one please prove me wrong.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Left/Right Sham

There is no republican/democrat. It's all a big sham. Play the game and re-register as a repub. Who cares? Ron Paul is the only one in either party that will make a difference, end the war, and correct all the damage that has been done by the patriot act, ect.

"Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy."
-Ron Paul

Ron Paul plus a democrat

Do you think Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich (or perhaps Mike Gravel) would consider running together on an independent third ticket? They could agree to flip a coin to determine who would be president and who would be VP. I think they would divide both the Republican and the Democratic vote and unite the country politically behind them.

Interesting radio report caught on tape


In this otherwise unremarkable collection of amateur footage, you can hear a radio report playing in a moving car right at the beginning, referring to up to 50 suspected 9/11 collaborators, all of Middle Eastern descent. I remember a TIME article also describing possible accomplices at various airports - how come we never heard any more about this? Anybody know?

Yes !!!, please register (R) and MALKIN ATTACKS RON PAUL

Yes !!!, please register (R) for the primaries.

I'm now an (I), but will switch for this occasion.

By the way, for those of you who think Ron Paul is not a "truther", this sickening attack piece by Michelle Malkin shows a film of him being confronted by a Students For Truth member, of which Ron Paul remarks to the student that a new investigation IS needed, and points to the Kennedy assassination as a prime example of why the government shouldn't be believed always.

(this is a different vid from the one where her and John Gibson are making asses out of themselves)


If you made it through Malkin's and the other bimbo's comments without hurling your lunch on your bib, then congrats are in order.

But anyhow, it's my opinion that Ron Paul hasn't come right out and said it's an inside job because it would NOT be a good move at this point, for obvious reasons. I WILL be concerned, however, if he's confronted during his campaigning and backs away from at least saying there needs to be a new investigation.

It's a tough call I realize for some of you because he's not saying 9/11's an inside job openly, but as for me, I still support the man 100% at this point unless he blatantly stabs 9/11 truth in the back.

I happen to believe he's using "blowback" and the 9/11 Commission Report explanation of why "they" attacked us at THIS point is to rub their faces in their own feces. He's being a chess/poker player rather than shooting himself down. There's a time where you HAVE to hold certain cards to defeat evil.

They can't explain the Mineta Testimony:

Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics takes beating from Charles Goyette:

Ron Paul is our man.

Anyone who is doubting him needs to do more research. He's just being smart politically right now.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

But what real chance does he

But what real chance does he have in winning (even if he gets the sum of votes that he needs?) Al Gore and John Kerry both won the last elections, yet who sits in office?
Ron Paul should realize this. Does he really not know the electoral process has been hijacked?

Ron Paul should realize this.

He sure does but if he looses it would give him a golden opportunity to drop the 9/11 truth bomb. If he does win he would call for an honest investigation. You can bet the house on that. It's a win-win situation for him and for us. I can see nothing but good seeing him run and I will back him all the way. I'll bet he has the NWO boys crapping in their pants.

Of course we realize

The elections are rigged. But the deeper he gets into the more he can influence public opinion. Maybe he's just waiting until right before he thinks he's going to get knocked out, then he's going to drop a huge Truth-bomb. We don't know. But it is definitely in our interest to support him. Just the fact that the media is trying to bury him could help wake people up to the corruption that is happening.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

That is because citizens DO

That is because citizens DO NOT elect the President. The facts are staring us right smack in the face. Go read in the Constitution, Article 2 Section 1 and the 12th Amendment.

The elections for the House of Representatives are the most important elections for the Citizens.

Educate yourselves!!!!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Read the Constitution!!!

Go READ Article 2 Section 1 and the 12th Amendment of the Constitution.

Citizens DO NOT select the President.

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

Saddest things I've seen lately..

Saddest things I've seen lately..

I am not seeing an electable candidate who can beat Guiliani. Guiliani, like the current admin, will use and abuse 9/11 to get what he wants. Obama and Clinton will cancel each other out. Are we going to see 4 or 8 more years of this?

The link to the WTC relics sitting at Kennedy Airport.

A picture of Silverstein... happy that he'll get more billions from the raped Insurance Companies.

Continued evidence that our media, driven by a few conversative moguls, is controlling America's thoughts, beliefs and attitudes....and no one with the wherewithall to create a sustainable opposing platform is stepping up to the plate. Its just us who don't have the $...being frustrated because we just can 't compete with them.

Rosie O' Donnell imploring America to get serious about what is happening to our republic...and then seeing major networks covering lost whales and a NASA love triangle.

America's troops dying in even greater numbers while politicians use them to make political points.

"Electability" is BS.

We don't need an "electable" candidate, we need the best person for the job. That is just more psychological trickery to prevent people from voting for "alternative" candidates.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

With all due respect..

Do you think George Bush was the best man for the job? or LBJ ? or Nixon?

One thing you can say about the Conservatives is that they know how to get their man elected ...and they know how to leverage their base of power to get it done. Its all about keeping the purstrings... .and whether the man is best or not matters little. At the end of the day, the President is a figure head..probably gone in 4 years...but the conservative agenda must live on. The real power in this country exists with the party who is controlling congress, industry (especially the media) and the military....and if you recognize who is controlling those groups today...then you know why we are where we are.

You're preaching to the choir.

Yeah, I know what's up. And what's up is corruption and BULLSHIT. Voting for someone based on their "electability" is bullshit, and it's part of why we have the problems we do right now. It's why we had Skull n' Bones Kerry as the nominee in '04 instead of Howard Dean. Howard Dean screamed "YEEEEAAAAAHHH!", so he was no longer "electable" (According to the media, that is.) The democrats all bought the trick, and Kerry rn away with it. "Electability" is a psychological ploy to influence votes. People SHOULD vote for the best person for the job, and they should be more educated about the issues in order to do that. Is it a perfect world? No. But I think if you're posting on this message board, you would agree that we need to work to make improvements.

"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Earth to America! Citizens

Earth to America! Citizens DO NOT elect the President. The President is only given a few powers. Go read the Constitution! Please read all of it! To get to the part about Presidential selection go to Article 2 Section 1 and the 12th Amendment.

We need to stop worrying about the Presidential Election and START worrying about our local elections for Members of the House of Representatives!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

It's spelled 'Giuliani'

The way you have it spelled would be pronounced 'gweeleeani'. And, yes, it is another dreadful possibility.

Since this is an open

Since this is an open thread, here are some 9/11 themed music videos i uploaded to YouTube -

Enigma of Building Seven -

Infowars set to excerpt of Mahler's 5th symphony -

News media is controlled -

Illuminati set to “Dance of the Seven Veils” -

Songs on the Death of America -

Thermite, Controlled Demolition, Remote Controlled Planes -

Thank You Bela

Mahler's music is pure genius and goes very well with the videos of our modern global horror. Shostokovitch's werke inspired by the Stalinist gulags also works well. Excellent job, my friend, and, again, thanks so much for your presentations.

Warm Regards,

Dr. Lazlo Toth

When all is said and done . . .

perhaps we'll see a vignette composed by bela featuring the 5th's Adagietto . . .

I want a white 9/11 Truth T-shirt for summer

I have enough black ones. I want to wear it when I pass out flyers for Patriots Question 9/11 at a 4th of July parade. It should have a flag on it and preferably that website, front and back. Is that asking too much? I have sent a request to the administrator of the site, but no reply. Anyone know where I can get such an animal? Or do I have to make my own?

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.


9/11 blogger has white shirts. you can design your own, actually. i ordered 2 (for me and my woman) designed like this:

on the front:
"Think for yourself.
Investigate 9/11."

up top on the back:
the '9/11 blogger' logo..

and below it:

Morgantown 9/11 Truth
The Eleventh Day of Every Month

"911 Mysteries" taken off Google Video?

I just tried sending someone to google video to watch "911 Mysteries" and it appears to be gone??
And when you do a search on google in the video tab for 911 Mysteries - the top hits are Screw 911 Mysteries.

Anybody know if this is a copyright issue, or if the big crackdown has begun...or maybe just my computer is off?

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
- Edmund Burke, 1729 - 1797

Please help me shout this

I just need 2 SHOUTS in the next 3 hours or it will be deleted!

The Redirection: How U.S. Policy Benefits Terrorism, and the ongoing involvement of the CIA in supporting terrorist organizations.


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All I ask is for 2 shouts ... please , I really want a discussion started on this article on SW :)

My case is this:

If the CIA and the U.S. intelligence agencies are so convinced that Al-Qaeda is behind 9/11, then why exactly all activity related to supporting and funding terrorist organizations with direct links to Al-Qaeda? Till this day the CIA operates on funding terrorist organizations related to Al-Qaeda.

Shouldn't this be considered an act of treason in the Wake of 9/11?

But in reality, it is obvious that the CIA knows that AL-Qaeda was not behind 9/11, and thus they do not find any harm from funding them.



Help me shout 9/11 articles on:


no offense, but im not

no offense, but im not signing up for another "digg it" type service just to get censored some more. i'll just stick to crashing various political websites and blogs instead for the most part.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

There is no censoring on SW

I have been long enough on SW to judge that there is no censoring on shoutwire. There is no "burry" comment feature, which allows discussions to be open, and for everyone to have to listen to the other. I can link plenty of 9/11 truth articles that have been shouted and discussed to death on Shoutwire.



Help me shout 9/11 articles on:


BBC's Jane Standley "Too

BBC's Jane Standley "Too Busy" To Discuss WTC 7 Fiasco

A phone call to BBC's Jane Standley who reported the collapse of The Salomon Brothers Building (7WTC) a full 45 minutes prior to the collapse raising massive questions as to the BBC's use of clairvoyants and sooth sayers. With this power, many critics are asking why the BBC were not able to predict the entire event. Complacency or a conspiracy?!


"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

Look at the ad....


There are white ones with 911blogger in front...

OK, Let's Back up, rewind...

Everyone knows I'm not a researcher, and I refuse to be aligned with any particular faction of this 'movement.' I've tried to remain objective, listening to each of you comment on every portion of the plot that personally affects you.

Importantly, I would like to believe that the *newbies* who may discover this blog, may find themselves 'appaled' at the sheer weight of the sobering facts presented here. Some are surely unfamiliar with the historic events, like the Northwoods Document, and may never come to understand the financial directives which precipitate these historic events. Who in their right mind would deny that our fathers 'HAD' to defend 'OUR' country in WWII? Or, that we beat the bloody British, but, shucks, -we've got every reason to believe they are still our best friends?

When I got to NY to speak at "Confronting the Evidence," I was thoroughly confused to find myself among such a combination of friend and foe. The wounds were fresh and personal, emotion outweighed reason by 3:1. My best friend, (who by all rights is due Federal Medical assistance,) was reading "Imperial Hubris," and was quite assured that I was wasting my time to address this from the get-go. Two people I spoke with annoyed me the most, Barry Zwicker and that 'Pod' guy. My thought was neither were interested in letting the chips (77 and 93) fall where they may. If a real live consumer Jet HAD hit the Pentagon? - we would have seen over 100 good Pentagon security videos to prove it. And, Barry's theories were so irrelevant, I really didn't think we needed to hear about Bin Laden's favorite interior furnishings, as the crowd grew restless to cry out with info of their own...

By not passing judgement, I've been able to see some good in everybody's contributions, despite some dubious assertions before, and since. Pup, and Webster, and David, clearly stood out on the panel, while everything else was in free-fall.

To recapitulate; Had we not experienced '9/11,' we the people wouldn't be nearly as aware of the encroaching danger of the nefarious 'eugenisists' and robber-barrons behind the NWO. That said, '9/11' is, in its way, little more than a limited hangout, against which 'planting' this word 'Terrorism,' must surely have been foremost in the planners minds. With humble admiration I would therefore say that Barry Zwicker's current Google Video is probably the very best 'scholastic' overview I've seen to date.

For now, each of us must use our influence as best we can.

First they ridicule you, then you look for better ways to be entertained!

Not necessarily.

" If a real live consumer Jet HAD hit the Pentagon? - we would have seen over 100 good Pentagon security videos to prove it."

1 -- First of all, we don't know where all the cameras around the pentagon were aimed.

2 -- Many people have pointed out how the damage could be consistent with a 757, and that most of the pictures do not show the first floor damage to the left of the hole.

3 -- See Arabesque's treatment of this on this site.

4 -- This looks like an intentional "honey pot" to sucker in casual observers and get them looking at the wrong anomalies. It takes attention away from the real problems with the story, such as: "hardening" the West side of the building with kevlar and 2,500 lb blast windows.

5 -- It's usually the first thing that corporate shill "debunkers" point at when trying to discredit us.

There are a lot better pieces of evidence that aren't so inconclusive and appealing to the Fox crowd.

70 Disturbing Facts About 9/11

John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog

johndoraemi --at-- yahoo.com.


Sometimes the truth is not a popularity contest that's for sure... I wish they would release the videos so I don't have to keep writing things like this: http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/05/critical-review-of-pentacon-smo...

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Dark Forces

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Three Days of the Condor

Ron Paul - please explain

Please explain: Why is there reason to believe that Ron Paul is open to "911 Truth" ideas? He sounds like pure "blowback" theory to me.

Go watch every clip

You can find of Ron Paul. You'll figure it out eventally.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Ron Paul

I don't get how some people want to trash Ron Paul due to his blowback stance on 911.
I admit that it's a longshot for the establishment to allow him one way or another to run for president, but how can this guy be trashed for thinking something that we all thought at one point in our lives? The guy is the only candidate that even comes CLOSE to what we all think America should be.
And his honesty and bravery with issues of the military industrial complex and the bullshit federal reserve is proof the guy is definitely receptive to the beliefs of the truth movement.

He'd definitely support a new investigation. That's SO MUCH more than any other candidate that's running.

That all being said, I get mad at myself for allowing some hope to fester after watching so many Ron Paul vids and reading so much of what he's said or written. They'll NEVER let him get close to the presidency. The fact that the media and establishment are so horrified of this man should be reason enough to get behind him. Blowback or no blowback.


While most or all patrons of this site probably reject the blowback hypothesis (such is usually the basic premise of 9/11 Truth, but need not be), there is still an element of the theory that is beyond dispute: the American government's support for "terrorist" organizations in the Middle East (let's not get into a debate over the definition).

That is, the basic premise that American foreign policy involves decades of foreign interventions and proxy wars utilizing every manner of group ideologically antithetical to democratic principles is not a matter of opinion but a matter of historical record.

Paul is being trashed because the corporate fascists who run this country know his position is right and runs counter to their interests. While I don't agree with all of his politics, his knowledge of history shames the other candidates every time he speaks.

Which is exactly why, as you say Tired, he will never be allowed to run for president.

Disagreement isn't necessarily 'trashing'

Do we have to pretend that 'blowback' isn't just more of the official theory in order to not be accused of 'trashing' someone who expresses it? Can't people ask questions ascertaining whether or not a public figure is truly sympathetic to 9/11 truth--instead of just accepting other people's assertions or insinuations that they are-- without being accused of 'trashing' that public figure? I don't dislike Ron Paul, I don't think anything I've posted--or seen posted here--since the last debate--to the effect that feeding the public the official story even in its 'blowback' form does NOT help our cause--amounts to 'trashing' him.

Do you wanna know what I need?

I need to hear a damed sweet fuck all whistleblowers that was or is working for "Controlled Demolition" - the company that had the contract for taking out the exploded towers . I'm sure they would have amazing things to tell us. Like... let's say: how they manage to place the explosives charges without nobody noticing or what they found in the rubble... These are pieces we are missing.

You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.

Fox News mentions mystery of cops death

Fox News is talking about the murder mystery of Sal the 9/11 hero.

Which tactic could succeed

... in getting 911 truth fully into mainstream-press and result in proper investigations (by courts AND newspapers AND TV)???

I think DRG has spent lots of time pondering it, and he says that it will come THROUGH CANADA or EUROPE.

He advised Canadians to entice a handful of respected figures to come out in favour of 911 MIHOP.

I understand his plan to be:

once a few respected persons have said "MIHOP" the media will report "Sir XYZ claims MIHOP" and then the implied message BUT WE WERE CENSORING can only be overcome with vigorous investigative journalism, trying hard to forget the "embedded" past.

I think it is a good enough plan to invest effort in.

  1. First, we need to brainstorm WHO (in Canada and Europe, not USA***) is eligble for "respected person".
  2. Secondly these people need to be contacted (and hopefully they follow the same path of enlighenment than DRG)
  3. Thirdly we need to push the news

as to (1): my suggestions:

  • John Ralston Saul
  • his wife, her excellency Adrienne
  • Her excellency, Michelle Jean (the current Gov Gen)
  • ... more canadiens please!
  • Karolos Papoulias (President of Greece)
  • Wangari Maathai (Nobelprice, Kenya)
  • Jens Stoltenberg (Premier of Norway)
  • Carla del Ponte of Switzerland
  • Klaus Kinkel of Germany
  • Fausto Pocar of Italy
  • Theo van Boven of Holland
  • .. more europenas, please ....

*** I think it is probably a good thing to exclude US-american persons. Just imagine if Noam Chomsky would "come out" .. well, it would be a good thing, but the USA-internal controversy is counterproductive. Irrational hatred towards fellow-amercians seems to be an acceptable behaviour inside the USA, whereas hatred towards foreign diginitaries ... uh .. er... never mind... anyway, is at least sometimes frowned upon. I suppose MAHATIR and any muslim cannot be part of the list .... (Mahatir has demanded to outlaw war! How logical and wonderful is that!!!)

Off Topic - Conspiracy

Received this important news via email. I have not researched the accuracy of the alleged birth dates:

Roswell 1947

Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico. This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.

However, what you may NOT know is that in the month of March, 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Condolezza Rice, and Dan Quyale were all born.

This is what happens when aliens breed with sheep.

This piece of information may clear up a lot of things.

Go on, please! You are interesting me!

You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.

Youre interested

Youre interested in that kind of stuff?

Check this out.

He says some off the wall things but looks like he said one too many things.

He was found in his room strangled to death. Declared a probable suicide. Funny thing was in these videos, he clearly states that was what would happen. And he also stated he wasnt suicidal. Oh..and he barely had the use of one of his hands due to the loss of several fingers.

Phil Schneider - May 1995 Lecture

Theres 3 more he made, save them now before they pull them off the net.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

even further down the rabbit hole.......

interesting stuff, but that guy Schneider claims that he shot and killed 2 aliens at an underground military base. check this stuff out for a major mind-fuck:

Kay Griggs - Sleeping With The Enemy
This isn’t the first time Griggs is going public with her story about government mob-like hit squads and the sexually perverted secret “cap and gown and skull and bone society” her husband belonged to along with other high-ranking Marine officers and pubic officials.

She first went public in 1996 after receiving death threats, being rescued by Sarah McClendon, former senior member of the White House press corps, who believed her story and took Griggs under her wing, giving her a place to stay and important advice about how to stay alive when dealing with military operatives.

“I became a whistle blower and received death threats,” said Griggs this week in an extended telephone conversation from her Tidewater, VA. home. “I finally wound up living for safety reasons with Sarah, the dean of the White House Press Corps, who had been with every president since FDR and was in Army intelligence and also an attorney's daughter from Texas.”

Now this week Griggs decided to tell her story again, saying “I will keep repeating it to anyone” and adding after 9/11, the war in Iraq, the London bombings and the fear of terrorism, the “American people are at a point were they are ready and willing to hear the truth.”

During numerous drinking binges over many years, one of the main things that sticks out in Griggs’ mind was how easily her husband rationalized killing small number of innocent people and how he was able to somehow justify the killings if it accomplished a strategic goal for the elite group involved.

“Who are these people?” Griggs repeated after being asked the same direct question. “In general, they are first generation German sons, mostly who run things in the military through tight friendships made in Europe and at war colleges. Psyops is a controlling group and Paul Wolfowitz is a major player, as are the many Zionists on this side of the Atlantic.

Although Griggs said her husband never mentioned anything specific about 9/11 during their marriage, she claims he hinted several times that “war-gaming and airplane crashes” were necessary elements to control and manipulate the American population.

Putting many of her husband’s comments together with other acquaintances made through him, she had this to say about 9/11:

“Before 9/11, there were some things which let me know that it was involved with war gaming going on at ACT Commands center in Suffolk. War games and diversions and manipulations of American public opinion he said are "necessary.” George explained some examples such as airplane "crashes" and the bombing by the Israeli Lebanese Bekka valley recruits who blew up the Marine Corps barracks. I believe my husband knew ahead of time 9/11 was going to occur.

“I know that there was a war game going on via Tampa, I think it was called Bright Star, which was being run on 9/11 by a weird and insecure USMC General who was in charge while the Army head was conveniently away in the Near East.

“I am sure 9-11 was a joint and combined military operation, using boys who were recruited via A.Q. Khan's Israeli network in Pakistan and South Africa through Zionists in Hamburg. I believe that certain MI6 British Zionists with the Ian Goodwin-Peter Goodwin-Basil Cardinal Hume Yorkshire network were also involved in funding and recruiting these guys. It was a large and ongoing operation to set up and involved lots of CIA Zionists and lots of funny money.”

The Philadelphia Experiment
50 Years Later

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

That was good for a laugh,

That was good for a laugh, but not true in the least.

George W. Bush July 6, 1946
Dick Cheney January 30, 1941
Donald Rumsfield July 9, 1932
Bill O'Reilly September 10, 1949
Rush Limbaugh January 12, 1951
Condolezza Rice November 14, 1954
Dan Quyale February 4, 1947



You can't hide a lie for long. Truth shall come out.

Of noble blood.

The wonders of animal/extra-terrestrial husbandry...
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

911 Vaccine

I'm putting this in the blog space too. I hope folks give it some consideration and imagine the powerful effect the realized idea can have:

911 Vaccination

“A vaccine is an antigenic preparation used to establish immunity to a disease.
“The immune system recognizes vaccine agents as foreign, destroys them, and 'remembers' them. When the virulent version of an agent comes along, the immune system is thus prepared to respond, by (1) neutralizing the target agent before it can enter cells, and (2) by recognizing and destroying infected cells before that agent can multiply to vast numbers.” –Wikipedia

I believe there are corollaries between the physical universe and the universe of ideas and thought. Vaccines, and to some extent their distant cousins in alternative medicine, homeopathic remedies, derive their benefit by the ingenious use of some of the disease elements themselves, when processed, to effect the cure. One of the arguments I hear repeated often about the plausibility of rigging the World Trade Towers with explosives and thermate, is that the operation to perform such an act, while possible could not have happened to such an observed, actively populated and utilized buildings under the constant gaze of many thousands of people and security personal and various security apparatus’. Imagine for a moment, then that the buildings ‘were’ rigged in some manner. Shouldn’t it then be possible to re-create such a plan using the newly resurfaced blue print plans for World Trade Center 1, or the north tower as it is also known as.?

A seasoned demolition company, an individual within that institution, someone knowledgeable in the art and science of rigging buildings for demolition, could be sought after to devise a detailed plan for executing the operation. Such a plan would lend greater plausibility to the use of controlled demolition by demonstrating the do-ability of one of the first steps taken in this catastrophe- to devise a working plan, with all the intricate steps needed to achieve the known results of September 11, 2001.

To actually publish and see the plan, would I am calculating, have a ‘homeopathic’ effect on the disease of criminal cover up that must necessarily exist somewhere at the highest levels of government, or sub-government, (whichever you prefer)
Every step taken to scientifically duplicate and demonstrate the likely methods used to pull off this crime of the century is a step well taken. We need to seriously explore this type of “demonstration” demonstration. It will wear down the walls of unbelievability that continue to impede the discovery of truth around the events of September 11, 2001.
My suggestion is that the truth movement begin the search for the individual or company that can reproduce the World Trade Center demolition plan and devise a funding scheme for this and similar experiments.

John Parulis, May 27, 2007

Were not the core columns built also to contain the elevators?

Thus making the elevator shafts the most likely place to rig the explosives. Take down the core and you take down the rest of the building. The event was highly explosives though, and it looks like more than just core column explosives were used, but that those buildings were brought down with explosives there can be no doubt about that. They HAD to have been. Nothing else is in accord with reality, and the physical laws that uphold it. The official story about the "collapse" of those buildings is utterly absurd. Everyone's starting to wake up to that reality now too.
On the 11th day, of every month.

Hi John, Two things: 1) the

Hi John,
Two things:
1) the social psychology of persuasion includes a notion of "innoculation" - one must give both sides of an argument to be highly persuasive. Disinfo is helpful to combat 9/11 truth because people think they've already heard our side -- they've effectively been innoculated with a watered-down straw-man version of the truth that is easily debunked. But we can be very persuasive when we reach people who have never even heard that there is another side to the gov't 9/11 conspiracy theory. That is, they have not been innoculated.

2) this was posted on the nytimes rosie blog (and is toward the end of the comments section):


May 27th,


4:51 am

ME, here is a thought which may be new to you. The Twin Towers were rotting from the day the first cast aluminium cladding panel was bolted, uninsulated, to the outer steel building framework.

From that 1989 day when “they” thought rebuild at $5.6 billion, was too high and embarrassing, then instead considered eventual controlled collapse, they had 12 years in which to slowly and quietly rig those buildings, ready for an event. The neocons provided it on 9/11.

As a long retired mechanical design engineer, having considered potential differences between dissimilar metals practically everyday of my working life, I was staggered to read this, some time ago. The problem has been known for probably 150 years. How was it possible to ignore such a basic necessity, in such a world catching project. Even more reason to hide the evidence with indecent haste by melting it down in India and China.

Time to consider changing sides??




— Posted by Dennis Thiel

Show "911" by Zeptepi

Rosie discussed on Canadian TV


From the same show that did an item on 9/11 Truth last year.. the talk features Antonia Zerbesias, the Toronto Star writer who penned a column a few weeks back entitled "Rosie got boot because she dared to ask tough questions". Zerbesias manages to get in one line about the many unanswered questions about 9/11, but it's mostly idle gossip. The web page has a comments section.

I know other people have had this idea before

I may be getting into REAL super-paranoid, wild-eyed whacko territory, but something has been troubling me lately.

How often does the thought cross your minds that perhaps was not only 9/11 a planned operation, but the rise of the truth movement itself may have actually been part of that plan?

I have seen this idea proposed in several places, but I find it to be an interesting thread to unwind.

I look at things like building 7, the Pentagon red herrings, the billions and billions of "in plain sight" coincidences, Bush's "let's not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" speech, shit, even the Lone Gunmen pilot episode, and I think to myself, "they MUST realize how blatant so much of this is."

Sometimes it almost seems as if the movement was baited into existence. The guilty parties had to know that conspiracy-theorizing around 9/11 would be inevitable, but they seem to have gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to behave suspiciously before, during, and after the event, planting little red flags everywhere. Something as complicated as 9/11 can't go off with some sloppiness, but the perpetrators have been a little TOO sloppy.

I'm not just talking about the various disinformation campaigns. I'm talking about the strong, convincing individuals, groups, and lines of inquiry that started out seemingly trustworthy but of whom many in the movement have since become extremely suspicious (Uncle Fetzer and ST911 come to mind).

I look at all the 9/11 smoking guns left laying about, and I can't help but feel that I'm being manipulated. As if by merely questioning 9/11, I am playing into their game, or at least some part of a game that's being worked on multiple levels.

If and when this movement grows into a full-blown revolution against the US government, should we stop to think that this may have been one of the ultimate goals of 9/11? Perhaps a revolution is exactly what the government-behind-the-government wants. We're being led like sheep too, we're just in a different flock.

At some point such paranoid, doublethinking speculation becomes impractical. Taking the psyop to the second level may be giving the perps too much credit. The real danger is growing ever more convinced that 9/11 Truth is as inside a job as 9/11 itself, since it could cripple the movement into confusion, infighting, and ultimately inaction. We have enough trouble with that as it is.

Just food for thought.

Good line of inquiry.

First, I would say that in executing an operation like 9/11, then having to cover your tracks, you would definitely leave many "smoking guns". No way around it.

Are we being "baited"? I've felt that way too. I think it is safe to assume that the "elites'" goal is destabilization of the U.S. This will open the door for tyranny and oligarchy. I also think that with as far as things have come now, there is no way to avoid destabilization and drastic changes. But what do you suggest we do, shut up to try to avoid a revolution? We're going to get a revolution whether we like it or not. We can choose Bush's fascist dictatorship revolution, or try to shape our own.

Also, if the time comes when we have to be a bit smarter about our actions (like not spreading a bunch of "revolutionary" info with our IP addresses stamped on it), I'm sure we can manage. Each one of us is now a human Truth-Bomb. I can spread this information without leaving any trace of myself. Word of mouth, take it to the streets. To the nightclubs, the coffeshops, the highschools...
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine

Tyranny and oligarchy

'I think it is safe to assume that the "elites'" goal is destabilization of the U.S. This will open the door for tyranny and oligarchy.'

Did I miss something, or are we currently under something other than 'tyranny and oligarchy'? Haven't these been able to entrench themselves further (and predictably so) owing to 9/11 and its traumatizing effects on the public? How can the movement to expose the official story of 9/11 as a lie be anything but an antidote to the forces of tyranny and oligarchy which that official story was meant to serve, has served, and is still serving so well?

to some extent definitely

I think that not only has that occurred , but that OKC, Waco, and Columbine, among others, were set up as test-runs to some extent to judge the public's reaction to having news stories blatantly changed and wrongfully covered. I think that another part of it is passive in that they get off on knowing that they cause so much fear among the public and have become such an urban legend phenomenon. The turning of the news media into entertainment and blatant brainwashing is certainly on purpose. There hasn't been any hard news coverage at all since Clinton's first term. Didn't PNAC even mention the possibility of revolution? The world's just so unstable now. The people who think that they control it really don't. They control the material structure to a large extent, but people are people for the most part. They're definitely smart enough to realize that bad conditions cause revolutions and revolt. Movements like the 9/11 Truth movement are what lead up to actual revolutions. They know this and are expecting it in my opinion. The big question is how many people will wake up at what rate, and to what extent will they support what side? Are there people who would rather have the people in power who are already there because it's easier even after they've accepted the truth? Will the elites use the revolt to clamp down and go to all-out martial law dictatorship? Will our brothers and sisters and friends in the government and military just treat us like that because they are told so? I have met a lot of vets that have no love for the government specifically because they realized how totally fucked up it is after being a part of it. These are tumultuous times.

DRG says, stop the slanderous attacks

on Prof. Fetzer as well as Reynolds, Wood and Shayler.

In his recent appearance in Seattle David Ray Griffin repeated on several occasions that he personally vouched for the honesty of these people, and said he found the attacks on them to be a real harm to the 9-11 truth movement.

Griffin comments;

"I did not use that language (“stop the slanderous attacks”). In fact, I didn’t issue any injunctions at all. I simply said that, knowing Morgan Reynolds, Judy Wood, Jim Fetzer, and David Shayler, I am confident that all of them are sincere: they believe what they say, and are trying to get the truth about 9/11 revealed. And that I believe that if we disagree with other people, we should simply say that we think they are wrong and explain why, not accuse them of being “disinfo agents,” as if they were deliberately trying to harm the movement. "

In an email rec'd from Griffin, 5/28/2007.

I'm sorry, DRG...

But the videos I've seen of Fetzer surely warrant his marginalization. His behavior is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And anyone who continues to push theories that aren't supported by the evidence is obviously not after the truth. These people are behaving in a way that is detrimental to our goals, and should be dissociated from the Movement.
"Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without." - Buddha
"What you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." - Gandhi
"The Sun never shined on a cause of greater worth." - Thomas Paine


I support David Ray Griffin's work very strongly.

Although I don't agree with all of his positions on certain things he is a very valuable person within the movement. However, if this is his true opinion on these individuals, I would urge him to read my paper on disinformation in the Journal of 9/11 Studies.

I personally consider the 9/11 commission report to be one of the most sophisticated pieces of disinformation ever constructed (along with the NIST report), and if I get a chance I will analyze the report in terms of a "disinformation" document. The issue of false/misleading claims is a central one to 9/11 truth in my opinion, and intent is irrelevant--if misleading arguments are being presented, we must acknowledge them.

There is no purpose to accusing certain individuals to being agents, but observing that certain individuals engage in certain behavior is worth observing and noting. In particular, the ad-hominem fallacy is extremely telling and suggests a certain motive...

“We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Yes, I've heard this speculation before

and I still think it's overanalyzing. Don't you realize that what is obvious and 'blatant' to US is still (alas) not the least bit obvious or blatant to many millions of Americans? And that among those who have been made aware of the many anomalies of the official story, millions of those continue to suppress that awareness as too disturbing to consider? All predictable results of a successful psy-op, in a context where the perps knew they would have all the forces of suppression and cover-up--the 'mainstream' media, 'alternative' media gatekeepers, the military, and all branches of government--on their side.

The point of 9/11 and all that's come since has been to terrorize the American domestic population into submission, to the point where even the most watered-down, inegalitarian democracy becomes a faint, distant memory. A 'full-blown revolution against the US government,'--entailing as it does an aroused public which takes seriously the idea that governing institutions must be accountable to the governed--is definitely NOT what the 'government-behind-the-government' wants.

And, no, to push for truth and accountability does not make us simply 'sheep' in a 'different flock'.

If the powers-that-be wanted the truth of 9/11 to come out, believe me, it would have been exposed through corporate media outlets looooooonnng ago.

Who benefits from having people think that 'questioning 9/11' is simply 'playing into their game'? I submit that it is precisely the perps of 9/11 who benefit. Not just 'overanalyzing' but possibly just another way of discouraging us and undermining the movement (though not necessarily intentional in every case).

9/11 Truth Music

9/11 Truth Music:


Looking for a reference from Barrie Zwicker's book

I have searched library databases and can't find this article:

Bob Feldman, "Report from the Field: Left Media & Left Think Tanks: Foundation-Managed Protest?" in Critical Sociology, Winter 2006.

Does it really exist?

Help would be much appreciated.

I apologize for spamming this message,

but people NEED to read the Constitution! Every last one of us here agrees we need to defend it, right? Well when was the last time any of you actually sat down and read through it? It is not that long. It is not too difficult to understand. You may be forced to stop and reread a few passages a couple of times to get the gist of the message but you will be all the wiser after having read and understood the clauses within it.

If our Republic is to recover from the damage this government has wrought then it is absolutely IMPERATIVE that each of us reads and understands the Constitution. If every one of our soldiers and police and politicians (the honest politicians..) had read and understood the Constitution then we would not be in this mess today. I do not think that the False Flag operation of 9/11 would have had the intended effect with out dumbing the population down regarding the Supreme rule of law in our land.

My bet is that most of us have not read the Constitution since 4th or 5th grade. I don't think that it is a mistake that we were taught about those abstract ideas back then when our frontal lobes had not even developed yet to engage in abstract rule-based thinking.

Please I beseech you all to make time, THIS week to go read the Constitution and understand it. Share what you read with your families. Gaining a full appreciation and understanding for this short and powerful document is the only way we can empower ourselves again!

"... In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." (Galileo Galilei, 1564 - 1642)

I disagree

I disagree that it is vital to read the whole constition to defend parts of it.

I drive a car, but I have never read any of my car manuals unless there was a specific problem. I dont think its a bad idea to read the constition, but if you are trying to defend certain rights, I think researching the rights you want to defend is a better idea. I dont see how anything to do with income tax would be relevent in this fight right now.

We cant be bogged down and spread out. We need to stay focused and keep pressure on getting the truth out. Spending hours in a library reading the constition would be something I should do if I was a politician or if my job was directly related to all the issues.

Im not reading the whole Constition. I know enough to carry on my fight for 911 Truth.

The Eleventh Day of Every Month

I think you're right that

I think you're right that there's a lot of trashing of "911 Mysteries" going on. But here are two that I found:

This one says "911 Mysteries Demolitions recut" and gives a time of 2 hrs. I don't know what "recut" is supposed to mean and why it's so long. I don't have a high speed connection, so it's hard for me to check out.

Here's another:

If someone could verify these as true versions, it would be nice to know.

Fred W

That Recut is not official

The 9/11 Mysteries Recut is just a version with the last half hour of the original film tacked onto the end of the film (for some strange reason) and it also omits an interview clip of AJ. I started to watch this version to see what was new or different but I read the GV comments, and thats what they said. I didnt keep watching so I cant actually verify, but more than one person said the same thing.

Physics/Science/Mathematics do not lie, only people do.
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB

I think we need a '911

I think we need a '911 truth' prayer day.It could be the 11th of every month or at the time the 1st palne hit every day,but we definitely need a 'strong hand' from someplace to win this battle of exposing the truth.

anti matter weapon

Pentagon is working on an Anti Matter Weapon. Could a weapon like that pulverize steel and concrete?

I believe I heard this on the discovery channel or science channel.

Let's find Peace

Friends in Central America have sent me this idea.

We, the people of the United States of American, in order to preserve the principles of our democratic Government, based on our original Declaration of Independence; Constitution; and Bill of Rights, request the assistance of the International Community.

We believe that the catastrophic events of September 11, 2001, the greatest attack on the American people in the history of our nation was a “false flag” operation, instigated and carried out by factions of the US government to enrage the American people into military action and aggression toward an enemy with no specific face and no specific borders.

The invisible fascist government of the United States of America wants a One Government World Order to control the oil reserves and international economies throughout the world.

The “War on Terror” gives a contrived enemy of whom the American military industrial complex can justify a war of international scope, as well as domestic, at any time, for decades to come. The citizens of American would never support such policies without deceptions and lies from their leaders.

Unfortunately, the American news media is no longer the guardian of truth and democratic principals. It is under the control of major corporations which financially benefit from world conquest and ongoing war. Therefore, we turn to our international friends for help in taking back our rights and bringing democracy back to our country.

Truth will stop this deviate movement in its tracks. Truth is the main ally of Democracy.

American citizens are asking their government to reexamine the attacks of September 11, 2001 with an Independent International Investigative Committee.

We humbly appeal that other countries across the world show they do not support, and will not condone, the actions of the United States government in the subjugation of the American people, and the innocents of other countries, in the guise of a War on Terror.

We ask the international community to show your support by expelling the US Embassy from your country until the request of the American people for a new independent investigation is honored.

We respectively implore you to immediately state a declaration of intention to the government of the United States that if an independent international investigation is not commenced by the day’s end of September 10, 2007, that the doors of the US Embassy in your country will be ‘closed and locked’ until a new independent international investigation into the events of September 11, 2001 are conducted.


Americans of the 9/11 truth movement

9/11 Truth Wiki

I find one the hardest things to do while talking to people who are still on the fence about 9/11 Truth is putting my finger on the facts - where did I file that article or where did I see those figures ??

Would be a real boon for Truthers to have it all in one place and be regularly updated.

Would a 9/11 Truth Wiki be viable - or a waste of time ?

Comments please.

viable, not a waste of time

basically what you're talking about is a running record of what we believe, what we don't believe, and why. depending on who decided to contribute it could be very useful...

as the issue catches fire we need to be careful about all the "helpful" types who will soon be descending on us...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force


9/11 Wiki

Yes it would include what we believe but perhaps even more important would be that all the facts and figures which are currently spread across the net, in books, articles, films etc could be accessed in one place.

Anybody would be welcome to contribute of course - even debunkers if they are game enough.

The point is there are so many little bits and pieces of important info out there that just seem to get lost over time - they need to be kept somewhere.

I'm sure there would be hundreds of Truthers willing to contribute - we would end up with all the info in one place with easy access for all.

I've spent hours finding facts and figures when trying to point something out to people - if only it was all in one place it what be a matter of just minutes.

I believe having easy access to all the info would help move the entire movement forward - and setting up would not be so much work as everyone is contributing.

I'm no computer expert but I'll certainly do whatever I can do to help get it up and running - anyone with some computer skills interested ?

started a wiki

let's see how it goes! email me if you want acess to edit...


Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero

WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force



I might contribute a little.

interns < internets

9/11 Wiki

Great stuff !


About 15% of responders are bringing up 911 Truth


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This looks brilliant!

Bomb Threats?

(8:45 a.m.): Air Traffic Control Centers Receive False Bomb Threats?
CNN reports that, while Flight 11 is heading toward the World Trade Center, “[S]ources say there were bomb threats called in to air traffic control centers adding to the chaos.” One center receiving such threats is the FAA’s Boston Center, which handles air traffic over New England and monitors flights 11 and 175. Cleveland Center, which will monitor Flight 93, receives similar threats. Whether other centers are threatened is unstated. According to Newsweek, “Officials suspect that the bomb threats were intended to add to the chaos, distracting controllers from tracking the hijacked planes.” [Newsweek, 9/22/2001; CNN, 9/30/2001] Yet, just weeks after 9/11, the Washington Post will claim, “Federal aviation officials no longer believe that accomplices of the hijackers made phony bomb threats to confuse air traffic controllers on Sept. 11. Sources said reports of multiple threats were apparently the result of confusion during the early hours of the investigation and miscommunication in the Federal Aviation Administration.” [Washington Post, 9/27/2001]

This would be one of my "unanswered questions." I would like to know who the sources were that reported the bomb threats to CNN and Newsweek. I would like to talk to each ATC under oath, and see if bomb threats were actually called in, and if they were aware of them. I would like to know if they made any attempt to trace the calls. If there were attempts to trace the calls, obviously, I would like to know the result. I don't believe "Federal aviation officials" when they say the bomb threats were a "result of confusion."

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Charlie Sheen Responds To

Charlie Sheen Responds To New York Post Hit Piece
Actor: "My views and convictions regarding 9/11 have not wavered"
Charlie Sheen
Prison Planet
Monday, May 28, 2007

Charlie Sheen has issued a brief statement in response to a New York Post article that claimed he was having "second thoughts" about his involvement in Loose Change Final Cut and the 9/11 Truth Movement as a whole.

My views and convictions regarding the events of 9/11 have not wavered. I still firmly believe the citizens of this great country, especially the family members of those tragically lost, deserve a much more accurate and thorough investigation surrounding the horrific events.

The suspicious fact that certain relevant testimonies were not included in the Keen Commission's final report, discredits the majority of their findings. A bi-partisan, democratically selected panel needs to be established that would include (but not limited to), victim family members, firefighters, rescue workers as well as key eye witnesses to the various crime scenes. Not some tepid rehash of Bush-serving lap-dogs cherry picking evidence to support erroneous and fictional "Magic Bullet" explanations.

We will not tolerate any testimony behind closed doors from subjects not placed "Under Oath". We will not tolerate the real and hard questions being dismissed for reasons of "National Security". We will not tolerate our freedom of speech being dismantled and ignored as not to "Disrespect the deceased".

I'm baffled as well by the fact Bin Laden's crimes listed on the FBI's most wanted list DO NOT include those of 9/11. If you do not believe me, see for yourselves -


As far as "Loose Change- Final Cut" is concerned, I await the newest version to be presented to me, at which point I will make my decision to participate (or not) based on the film's content and merit.

I remain patriotically steadfast.

Charlie Sheen.


"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA


I love that he included that there's no mention of 9/11 in connection to bin Laden on the FBI's most wanted page!

Look what editor at this website says, Northwoods vs. 911

More people are connecting dots of Operation Northwoods and 911.

Look at what the editor says after reading the ABC News article on Operation Northwoods.
This is mainly a financial website. Bull means bull stock market. Not bull means not a bull market.
This is the question for this website.


"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba."

Editor: Hmmm...If you don't believe the 'conspiracy' stories about 911, what do you make of this story from ABC News that details a US government plan to do something in the early 60's that sounds surprisingly like what happened in September 2001? If ABC News says it, then it's not a conspiracy - right? And if the government planned something like this in the early 60's, they could have dusted off those plans for use 40 years later. Right?


Could we have said it any better ?

only been 12 charges of terrorism out of 814,073 cases.

Less Than 0.01% Of DHS Cases Are Terrorism Related

despite the fact that the Bush administration has repeatedly asserted that it is the primary focus of the DHS.

This once again highlights that the terrorist threat to America is vastly over hyped and is being used by a criminally controlled government as an excuse to police the world and foment a domestic police state to crush any dissent amongst the American people.

Giuliani spins a lie on a

Giuliani spins a lie on a clip by Luke Rudowski, Sabrina Rivero and Tom Foit about what he said on CCN about knowing about the collapse on 911.

Then I go to youtube to listen to the CNN clip and the word "collapse" is mostly edited out.
Rudy says "When we were told that WTC was going to (edited out) in 10-15 minutes."

Amazing there is an attempted cover up after attempted cover up after attempted coverup.

Anyone got a good CNN clip of Giuliani where the words are not edited out.

The above scenario exposes the lying spin and then the tampering with real evidence.

The evidence is screaming out in plain sight.

Captain Sherlock film

The entire film "Captain Sherlock Solves 911" has now been made available as a free download from either my own page at

or from the dedicated film page


Although I do not agree with everything Hawkins may say, I stand behind everything presented in my film in regards to the analysis of the events of 91, and
anything of pure speculative nature has been left out to give the best overall impact for the film and the facts delivered.


Neil Slade

Film Download Available

I just want the general public to be aware that my film is now available as a complete, and free download from either my site
http://www.911think.com or from the films dedicated page at

Although I am not in agreement with everything David Hawkins may say, I support and encourage the consideration of the conclusions in the film presented by Captain Field McConnell, and Mr. Hawkins who have, in my estimation, done an exemplary job in providing a personal, and detailed look at the aeronautics and other aspects of 9/11, many of them valuable and original conclusions.

The only thing that occurs to me at this time, to be of slight question, is the type of plane seen circling the WTC, and captured in the video near the end of our film. McConnell states he believes it is a small C604 "spotter" plane (like that identified in Shanksville), but other photos indicate that it may actually be a much larger jet at a farther distance- still, of course, in unexplainable proximity to the events at the WTC.

Thank you
Neil Slade