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Robin Hordon and David Ray Griffin on Carol Brouillet's show Monday

Robin Hordon and David Ray Griffin appeared on Carol Brouillet's show last night. Griffin was on air for just a few minutes, plugging his new book; most of the show was Hordon's. For those who are not familiar with Robin Hordon, he is an ex-pilot and ex-flight controller (fired when he went on strike during the Reagan years). Robin Hordon is very level-headed and it seems to me he brings a number of valid points to the debate. He explains in detail how the scramble protocols used to work, how they were changed in June 2001 and exactly what effect it had on the morning of 9-11. He also discusses what the FAA would normally do in the case of a hijacking, and what they were doing on 9-11.

Hordon also discusses the wargames, and how they would affect procedures that day (according to Hordon, they wouldn't). Plenty of other interesting stuff from a guy who knows first-hand how air traffic control works.

The show is already available as a podcast:

1st hour
http://xml.wtprn.com/Brouillet/0705/20070507_Mon_Brouillet1.mp3
2nd hour
http://xml.wtprn.com/Brouillet/0705/20070507_Mon_Brouillet2.mp3
(7 megs each)

NORAD Lied, F-15s Arrived Over Manhattan Skies Between 10:09 And 10:10, Not 9:25

Yesterday, Shoestring wrote an excellent article entitled, "Where Were The F-15s On 9/11?" which included new eyewitness accounts of when F-15s arrived over Manhattan. After reading his excellent piece, I remembered that Howard Stern's radio broadcast from that day mentioned roughly when the F-15s arrived over the skies of Manhattan. The recording verifies that F-15s arrived after the first collapse, and before the second collapse. Then, someone named, "Oilfilter" posted Siegel's footage which shows exactly when the F-15s arrived. The following is the end result of me figuring out exactly (99% certain) what time the F-15s arrived. I'm posting this so people can check my math. - Jon

Watch Siegel's film. Please disregard everything regarding helicopters, etc... and just focus on the footage.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4563604978641682920


  • Fighters leave Otis at 8:53.
  • At 5:56 (9:59), the first tower collapses.
  • At 15:15 (10:09-10), the F15s arrive.
  • Page 24 of the 9/11 Report says, "They arrived at 9:25 and established a combat air patrol (CAP) over the city." This according to Otis Fighter Pilots, Daniel Nash, and Timothy Duffy.
  • It took them 1hr and 17min to arrive in Manhattan, and not 32min.
  • There is a 45 minute discrepancy.

Where Were the F-15s on 9/11?

September 11, 2001 was an extraordinary day for many reasons. It was a day when hijackers who were amateur pilots and had never before flown jet planes suddenly gained remarkable flying skills. It was a day when scientific laws apparently changed, so that relatively small fires supposedly could cause three massive skyscrapers to disintegrate into dust, each in the space of just a few seconds. And it was also a day when two F-15s appear to have made possibly the slowest journey by military fighter jets in all history.

Guns and Butter 1pm Today - An Air Traffic Controller Looks at the Events of 9/11

Guns & Butter
Wednesday, April 18th, 2007, 1:00PM

Interview with pilot and former air traffic controller, Robin Hordon. The job of air traffic control; Flight AA11; the hijack versus the emergency protocol; war games and radar screen blips; remote control of aircraft, i.e., flight director; and Flight AA 77. Robin Hordon is a member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Visit their website at www.pilotsfor911truth.org

Guns and Butter airs at 1pm Pacific on KPFA 94.1FM Berkeley, and streaming and archived at www.kpfa.org

www.gunsandbutter.net

Guns and Butter: The NORAD Tapes: Real or Faked?

Today's Show
April 11, 2007

The NORAD Tapes: Real or Faked?

Interview with Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding his most recent article, "9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify the 9/11 Commission Report?" Griffin's article, written primarily in response to Vanity Fair Magazine's, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes" by Michael Bronner in their September 2006 issue, deconstructs the preposterous argument that NORAD was not notified by the FAA of hijacked airliners until they had struck their targets or crashed, and that the only jets the military scrambled were in response to a flight that did not exist. Griffin takes a close look at NORAD's audio tapes, on whose authenticity these claims depend. Today's show was originally broadcast on August 30, 2006, and is being re-broadcast today as background for our upcoming programs with former Boston Center Air Traffic Controller, Robin Hordon.

Live KPFA stream link

Guns and Butter airs Wednesdays at 3pm CST

Guns and Butter 1pm Today - David Ray Griffin: The NORAD Tapes: Real or Faked?

Guns & Butter

Wednesday April 1, 1:00pm

The NORAD Tapes: Real or Faked?

Interview with Dr. David Ray Griffin regarding his most recent article, "9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify the 9/11 Commission Report?" Griffin's article, written primarily in response to Vanity Fair Magazine's, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes" by Michael Bronner in their September 2006 issue, deconstructs the preposterous argument that NORAD was not notified by the FAA of hijacked airliners until they had struck their targets or crashed, and that the only jets the military scrambled were in response to a flight that did not exist. Griffin takes a close look at NORAD's audio tapes, on whose authenticity these claims depend.

Why No Norad On 911? By Douglas Herman, USAF Veteran

...the FAA had to be the scapegoat. Not NORAD. If the Pentagon--under attack---needed a fresh infusion of cash, since hundreds of billions (2.3 trillion reportedly) was missing---they would have to be exonerated. And That was why, finally, General Richard Myers, seated in his office (allegedly) throughout the ENTIRE 911 attack, was promoted for his inactions (rather than convicted in a military court martial) for dereliction of duty, along with numerous other officials after 911.

Why No Norad On 911?
By Douglas Herman, USAF Veteran
Exclusive to Rense.com
2-26-7

http://www.rense.com/general75/whyno.htm

"We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us. It was just so far from the truth." --Thomas H. Kean, Commission Chairman, to the Washington Post

Western Air Defense Sector Gets 1998 Scramble Award

Source: washingtonairguard.com

"The Commander of the Washington Air National Guard, also lauded WADS’ accomplishments. Maj General Frank Scoggins stated: "In dozens of major exercises, the unit has been lauded with praise, congratulations, and compliments from major command commanders, inspectors general, civilian drug enforcement officials, and sister service senior leaders". General Scoggins further added: "The sector sets the standard for continuous volunteerism and its outstanding support for real-world air defense missions."

The sector is the Air National Guard organization responsible for the air sovereignty of the western 63% of the continental United States. More than 300 Washington Air National Guard members at WADS have operational control of fighters on continuous alert, keeping track of 1.9 million square miles of airspace, from Texas to the Pacific Coast, across to North Dakota. WADS works directly with three alert bases, where pilots wait for the call to identify unknown aircraft that could be a threat to the nation’s air sovereignty. In the award-judging period from May 15, 1996 to May 14, 1998, the sector "scrambled" jets 129 times to identify these "unknown riders". The WADS scrambled jets another 42 times against potential and actual drug smugglers to support the Domestic Air Interdiction Coordination Center and U.S. Drug Enforcement agencies.

Opening Statement Of General Ralph Eberhardt Before The 9/11 Commission

See if you can spot any discrepancies.

Source: 9-11commission.gov

STATEMENT OF GENERAL RALPH E. EBERHART, USAF COMMANDER NORTH AMERICAN AEROSPACE DEFENSE COMMAND BEFORE THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES

17 JUNE 2004

Chairman Kean, Vice Chairman Hamilton and distinguished members of the Commission:

Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you and represent the outstanding men and women of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). This team of professionals is dedicated to protecting and defending the U.S. and Canadian homelands. We shall never forget those who lost their lives and who were injured during the attacks of 11 September 2001.

NORAD
Prior to the attacks on our Nation two and one half years ago, our air defense posture was aligned to “look outward” to counter external threats to North America. We considered flights taking off within the U.S. and Canada as “friendly by origin.” Our aerospace warning and control missions were oriented and resourced to detect and identify all air traffic entering North American airspace. We were prepared to intercept potentially threatening inbound aircraft as necessary.

Whatever happened to the NORAD guy who spoke about wargames and standown order

About 1 month ago there was a man who worked for NORAD who came out on the alex jones show and in a newspaper editorial confessed he thinks 9/11 was an inside job. He also claimed that he heard talk of an actual stand down order. Alex Jones was promoting this guy and had him on his show 2 days in a row, and he got himself fired from his software job but after that i heard absolutely nothing about him. Any word on him now? I know most of the posters in here though it was disinfo, but i have not come to a conclusion yet .

NORAD scrambles jets to intercept Russian bombers

Thanks to A Big Secret for sending this in: 

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060929/russian_bombers_060929/20060929

NORAD launched Canadian and American fighter jets to intercept two Russian bombers near U.S. airspace, officials said Friday.

Russian military officials had warned the United States the bombers would be conducting an exercise in the region. But as the planes crossed a 20-kilometre buffer zone around U.S. airspace, the NORAD planes moved in.

At about 6 p.m. ET Thursday, NORAD scrambled three pairs of fighter jets -- including two CF-18 jets from Cold Lake, Alta.

The American aircraft included four F-15s from Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska.

"It was the Americans who found the bombers first. They came to within metres of the bombers," reported CTV's David Akin. "There was no radio contact. After a period of time, the Russians turned and went home."

The bombers never crossed over into Canadian or U.S. airspace. And according to Major Jason Proulx, such incidents are not rare.

NORAD scrambles jets to intercept Russian bombers - Admit that they're responsible for monitoring suspicious domestic aircraft

NORAD launched Canadian and American fighter jets to intercept two Russian bombers near U.S. airspace, officials said Friday.

Updated Fri. Sep. 29 2006 11:06 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

NORAD launched Canadian and American fighter jets to intercept two Russian bombers near U.S. airspace, officials said Friday.

Russian military officials had warned the United States the bombers would be conducting an exercise in the region. But as the planes crossed a 20-kilometre buffer zone around U.S. airspace, the NORAD planes moved in.

At about 6 p.m. ET Thursday, NORAD scrambled three pairs of fighter jets -- including two CF-18 jets from Cold Lake, Alta.

The American aircraft included four F-15s from Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska.

"It was the Americans who found the bombers first. They came to within metres of the bombers," reported CTV's David Akin. "There was no radio contact. After a period of time, the Russians turned and went home."

Follow Up to Recent Letter by Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower

Last Friday we covered a story regarding Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, a whistle blower whose letter was posted on the Veterans for 9/11 Truth website. At the time we posted the story as we found it, and thankfully Alex Jones followed up with an interview with LJ on his show today.

You can find the radio archive of the show at nw0.info (look under radio / Alex Jones Radio Archive / 2006 / September / 25). The segment with LJ starts about 22 minutes in.

Check it out, and post some comments!

Update: We have archived this MP3 on 911podcasts.com here:
http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=102

Direct Download:
http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/aj_2006-09-25.mp3

 

Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out in Cincinnati Post

Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out in Cincinnati Post - Veterans for 9/11 Truth

I felt it necessary to follow up to a recent story that was published in Cincinnati Post. It was the 1 in 3 believe 9-11 conspiracy theory. I must admit that at first I was overwhelmed with joy that our local paper was actually starting to have real journalism and talk about real issues. Then I read the story and it was a total debunk to make the actual people around the world who feel there was something not right about 9-11, to look like over reacting conspiracy theorists.
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Honestly I could care less what is done with this letter, but I feel that I should speak my mind and Ill tell you some things that I have not told many people at all. From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United States Central Command, which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our building[,] the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the level of Secret. Over my 8 years in the Army, I had participated in many exercises around the world, none of which were ever classified over the Secret level.

Ill start by saying a few months prior it was announced by President Bush that Dick Cheney would be heading up operations over NORAD our North American Aerospace Defense Command. Along with many of my peers, we were shocked. Over the years, if you research NORAD, it has always been under the command of a Military officer. It was done this way because the defense of this country has always been in the hands of such. Prior to the months before 9-11 this was all of the sudden changed. Like I said, if you research NORAD and the command structure you will find that it was imposed long ago that the military should be in control of the order to scramble planes in the defense of American air space. For some strange reason, Bush changed this and gave that power to a civilian person on his Staff team yes I know, very interesting.
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So, I was standing in the SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information Facility), which is basically this underground bunker command post for USCENTCOM, when the first plane hit. We were watching the fly patterns of all the planes on the aerospace grid. This contained not only all commercial flights at the time, but all military flights, and fake enemy planes that were supposedly put on there for the exercise. Many of the planes sent to intercept the fake blips were scrambled from Andrews which is an air defense AFB for the East Coast. They were sent across the US and left very few planes to defend the capital. After the first plane hit the tower we were all in disbelief. After the initial shock was over, our questions were what are the odds this could happen for real, during a training exercise thats covering the same scenario? We were all at wits end. Then to top all of this off, Cheney gave NORAD the order to stand down scrambling jets to intercept. A few moments later tower 2 was hit. Only after the Pentagon was hit, did he give the orders to scramble the jets to intercept the plane bound for the White House.
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To delve even further, as Im standing there watching the towers collapse, next to me is one of my good friends and a former commander of the Army Corps of Engineers. He is a demolitions expert. He was even more surprised than me. When the towers collapsed he kept saying this isnt right, this isnt right. When I asked him what he was talking about he told me that steel buildings dont fall down that way. Even if they are struck by objects; he went on to say that in theory if the top 10 floors were hit, then possibly just that part of the building would fall over and off, but the rest would remain standing. When I asked him, not understanding the implications of demolitions, he told me that it looked as if they were brought down by controlled demolitions. I was utterly amazed, but after he said that it did sort of appear that way.

Be sure to follow the link for the full posting by Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez.

Thanks Steve for the submission!

NOTE: We have no personal confirmation as to the validity of this story any further than that it was posted on Veterans for 9/11 Truth's website. As with everything that is posted on this site it is up to the viewer to do their own research and reach their own opinions.

9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify The 9/11 Commission Report?

Dr. Griffin's radio interview concerning this article was posted in August. Here are links to the actual article.

Part 1 of Dr. Griffin's article is here, and Part 2 is here.

This article is too long to post here, but well worth the read. Check it out and then post your comments.

Thanks to 911Truth.org for hosting the article.